Time Travel Chronicles

[Edy_P]

World Breaking Discoveries

The PAST
Throughout history encounters with divine beings such as ‘gods, Angels, or God’ have been reported in myths and legends and often subsequently documented in (what are now perceived as) religious texts.

The characters in those religious stories or the ‘prophet’/author who had the encounter with the ‘gods, Angels, or God’ report what the ‘divine messenger(s)’ showed and told them – and often a new religion evolved, warning that the earlier religions are ‘wrong’.

Going away from the religious idea, some second-hand accounts retell the stories but often replace the concept of God or Angels with an Oracle of God that spoke, shown, and told them of things of the future – but only when the priest or prophet asked or used a special staff or rod. (cf. Crystal ball or magic mirror, magic circles or wheels, and magic wand.) These types of accounts are the classical ones that are perceived as legends and myths – rather than religious.

Many encounters throughout ancient times are reported and documented, but each had the same type of characteristics: The ‘gods, Angels (often two), or God’ appeared to them ‘in a dream’ or in a bright light, on or near a mountain, and either provided a set of tablets/stones/plates which showed ‘future history and images’ or had the ‘prophet’ use them himself. Those ‘gods, Angels, or God’ were in effect – time messengers. They particularly named several ‘future people’ who will ‘open the sealed plates/books’.

For over three thousand years the actual occurrences from the stories concerning those ‘future historic events and images’ have been awaited, but to date no-one has identified them to ‘present’ events – although many have tried to make their contemporary similar events match to those religiously described ‘future events’. Some have even ‘amended’ the contents of the ancient texts to make it seem that they have matched the foretold events – and produced sub-cults and other types of religious groups.

So everyone is waiting upon what the religious priests have told them – but they are waiting for the wrong things.

What were the set of tablets/stones/plates/ magic circles ?
To what did the Oracle, magic mirror, and magic wand refer ?
Who were the reported Angels (ie. time messengers) ?
When are the ‘future things’ to occur ?
What are the ‘future events’ ?


The PRESENT
An unknown researcher makes a series of observations:

When the corrupted English translation and interpretation of ancient texts (both secular and religious) are returned to their original meanings – a different story is revealed.
Some contents of a modern history book concerning one particular war are described in the ancient texts – almost word by word.
The imagery from three compact disks are described in those same ancient texts: 1. a certain war, 2. a specific astronomical event, 3. a series of animal images.
An Oracle, magic mirror, and magic wand refer to a computer, its monitor, and its mouse & cable.
The set of tablets/stones/plates/ magic circles refer to the compact disks.
The ‘gods, Angels, or God’ are not of a divine origin nor nature.
When ‘unknown origin’ Egyptian hieroglyphs are investigated, they are found to be describing and depicting modern computer technology – and two ‘time messengers’.
When ‘religious perceptions’ are removed from those same ancient texts and the list of ‘Religious Signs’ are taken literally, the named ‘future people’ and ‘future events’ were identified to recent events by those named people.
The warnings given by the perceived ‘gods, Angels, or God’ (ie. time messengers) in ancient times have been revealed.

Religions face their judgement day – the source of their beliefs are shown not to be of a divine origin.

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The FUTURE
A time machine is constructed – it works.
Rule 1. When travelling to the past, do not make any changes that will affect the present.

First experiment:
Crew: Two chrononauts (dressed in white lab coats);
Equipment: Desk-top computer in carry box, plus historical compact disks and history books;
Purpose: 1. see if non-organic equipment survives the ‘back-step’ and operates; 2. ‘show & tell’ of future for a group of Middle Eastern people.
Location: 2500 BCE, Mesopotamia. Site chosen as history on compact disk does not relate to Mesopotamia, thus anyone back then would not be affected by ‘future history and events’.

Second Experiment:
Crew: Two chrononauts (dressed in white lab coats);
Equipment: Desk-top computer in carry box, plus historical compact disks and history books;
Purpose: 1. check out progress of Pyramid building; 2. ‘show & tell’ to certain people.
Location: 1450BCE, Egypt.

The United Nations Science Group stops these back-steps’ by the Time Travel Agency as evidence of those encounters have been found documented in ancient texts:
The two chronauts, the computer parts and its carry box, the compact disks plus the mouse & cable have been depicted in Egyptian hieroglyphs and documented in legends.
Two of the compact disks have been expressly named in Mesopotamian myths and their contents described.
Two separate monotheistic religions by two Egyptian priests who encountered the chronauts and computer imagery were formed:
1. Amenhotep IV formed the Aten religion in Egypt – based upon the shape of a compact disk and its contents;
2. Moses formed the Hebrew religion – based upon the contents of three cd-roms.

How to correct this accidental formation of religions
The Time Travel Agency visited many other ancient people to specifically correct this mistake by showing them the same cd-roms and explaining the error of misunderstanding. But this too resulted in more religions, as those ancient people also misunderstood what they were being told.

The United Nations Science Group stops these back-steps as it just keeps producing similar ‘religious’ mistakes, and introduces a new strategy.
Rule 27: The past can not be changed as it will change our present. Revisit all earlier back-step locations and place markers so that at a certain ‘future’ time at least two people (witnesses if you wish) will find these mistakes and inform the world. In this way the past mistakes can be changed without changing the past and present. The future will then proceed without the influence of those mistakenly formed religions.
Rule 32: ‘Time View’ and observe the two ‘witnesses’ but do not physically encounter them, and only use electronic transfer of data to alert them when they are going off track.


21st December 2012
After sixteen years of research and investigation, the whole planet’s population has been informed and the “religion switch” is turned off.

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NOTES
The Past and Present sections are a basic summary of 10 years of actual research.

The Future section contains thoughts on how all this may have come about.

Visual presentations may be found at worldbreakingdiscoveries com au . .

How then do you think modern objects and their contents became documented and depicted in many of the world’s ancient texts - as the evidence shows ?

[polkablues]

And his best friend is a talking pie!

[Edy_P]

Does it say "3.14159"

[BlackKat]

I see a serious flaw in your fictional "experiments"


...Equipment: Desk-top computer in carry box, plus historical compact disks and history books; ...

First off why not use a Laptop. It's made to be portable, and has battery power (for a couple hours anyhow) and won't need to be plugged in. I think in 2500 BC or whenever wall sockets were scarce.

I'm not going to poke holes in your "research" on an individual point by point basis because it's not necessary. Each and every one of your bulleted 'PRESENT' points is completely and utterly wrong and baseless. If you disagree you're welcome to post what you believe to be evidence.

[Yllanes]

I don't see much Science, Mathematics, Medicine or Technology in this thread. Shouldn't it be moved to Religion & Philosophy?

[wollery]

The right picture, from Plate VII, shows the same two people in a special room¹, where the sitting male is playing a board game and the woman no longer holds the menat.

Does the 'board' represent a computer's keyboard - and has the woman given the mouse & cable plus a compact disk to the male, who is attempting to use the keyboard after offering the disk to the altar ?No, the board is quite clearly depicted as a game somewhat similar (at least in appearance) to chess.

He was given two tables of stone (ie. 2 compact disks), and utilized a miraculous staff (mouse & cable).I think even a complete idiot of those times would recognize that a CD wasn't made of stone. And how the heck does a mouse and cable get described as a wand?

Joseph Smith wrote of his encounter .....snip..... He was given plates and two stones (plastic cases containing compact disks).Again, how could someone be so dense at to describe transparent plastic as stone?

Ezekiel 2:9-10 says "Behold a roll of a book...written within and without&quot.

English meaning of "roll" is 'to rotate' (as in a rotary motion of an object around its own axis).

These are descrbing a compact disk that spins around (rolls) and has its information sealed within layers of plastic. Wow, what a stretch. Roll has a very specific meaning, it means to rotate around a horizontal axis in such a way as to move forwards in a horizontal direction perpendicular to said horizontal axis.
Nobody who had actually seen a CD working would describe it as "rolling" and that isn't even the way it was described. It was described as "a roll of a book" which is how one would describe a large scroll.

The ladder or mast glyph depicted in Egyptian hieroglyphics is pronounced
as A-HA. This when vocalized, sounds somewhat like scA-LA.

When these letters are pronounced they sound similar to SCALA.
CUL-LAm sounds like sCA- LA. In his language, Jacob saw a CUL-LAm (ie. sCA-LA).Umm, no.

Talk to a linguist.

Seriously.

AL-LAH (Muslim KUL-LAH) is a form of scA-LA, combining the original Egyptian sounds of A-HA (scA-lA) and LA (sca-LA) giving A-LA, with the Hebrew sounds of cUL-LAm (being UL-LA).This one deserves special mention. Al'lah is a contraction of "al illah" which is arabic, and translates directly as "The God", as in, "The one and only God". It's just Arabic. it's not a proper name, but a description, which already existed in the language.

Oh, and while we're on this section,

John reports seeing 12 lots of 12,000.

John reported seeing the list of 12 items containing the 12:00:00:00 notation.Anyone else notice a missing 0 here?

Revelations 7:4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed...144,000"

143442 rounded up = 144,000 (ie. 144K of data - where the K represents 'a thousand').
The time messenger rounded the number up before telling John.Anyone with any knowledge of maths would round that figure to 143,000, and I'd be willing to bet that anyone with enough knowledge to go on such a time travelling mission would have enough maths knowledge to know that.

In earlier computers before 'Desktop' was introduced, programs had to be run by selecting the file's name from the File Manager's Screen. The default window size of this screen for Windows 3.x allowed for twelve files to be shown.

When the Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean cd-rom is run on an old mid 1995 computer, the following twelve files appear in the default screen.
I thought these time travellers came from our future. If so, then why the heck were they using a 1995 computer to run a CDROM which can be run on a modern system?

Ark of Shittim Wood - 2.5 x 1.5 x 1.5 cubits = a small wooden box similar to that being held by the Mormon witnesses (where cubits represent hand-widths of about 10cm) being approx 15 x 15 x 25 cm.From http://ebible.org/web/glossary.htm;

"A cubit is a unit of linear measure, from the elbow to the tip of the longest finger of a man. This unit is commonly converted to 0.46 meters or 18 inches, although that varies with height of the man doing the measurement. There is also a “long” cubit that is longer than a regular cubit by a handbreadth. (Ezekiel 43:13)"

This makes the box 3'9"x2'3"x2'3". That's one heck of a big computer.

The caption to the below Egyptian picture says "The mummy of Ani is lying
on a bed in the form of a lion. Under the bed are a scribe's palette and some
containers. Two kites stand as guardians at each end of the bed".

Things to note:
Direction of body on bed.
The bed is a Lion. (Its face is
at the top of the right end leg.)
Two sets of two containers under bed, also a white chest.Direction of body on bed? Well they only had a 50/50 chance of being the same.
The Lion has been used throughout recorded history as a symbol of strength and power.
The containers under the bed are Canopic jars (I suggest you look that up).

Dialogues of the Greek philosopher Plato circa 360 BCE Critias Dialogue

He described a city - ATLANTIS

(Extracted paraphrased descriptions)
Atlantis city is described as being on a mountain that is steep on its seaward side.
It is surrounded by a wall upon which guards keep watch from the towers.
And immediately next to it is a level plain that has rectangular fields surrounded
by irrigation ditches.

Let's compare these descriptions with this picture of the Etruscan menu page

The bolded Key Words described by Plato are obvious in the picture.

Plato has described the Etruscan city from the Ancients CD-Rom.
A paraphrased description that could apply to a vast number of ancient shoreline cities.

Dialogues of the Greek philosopher Plato circa 360 BCE Critias Dialogue

He described FIVE RINGS

(Extracted paraphrased descriptions)
"making alternate zones of sea and land larger and smaller, encircling one another;
there were two of land and three of water, which he turned as with a lathe, each
having its circumference equidistant every way from the centre"I won't even bother with your description. What he's describing are defensive ditches, mounds and moats. Also very common to cities in that era.

In the encyclopedia Mundus Subterraneus by Kircher (1665AD)
it is claimed that a mysterious map of Atlantis (depicted here)
was stolen from Egypt by the early Roman invaders.

When we click upon the red dotted Towns from the first map
depicted on previous page, a further enlarged map (shown below)
appears in the Etruscan ATLAS section.

Kircher's map is the same shape as the island of Corsica - as seen on the maps.Well, no.

Here's Kircher's Atlantis (clearly in the middle of the atlantic)
http://atlantis.haktanir.org/athanasius_kircher1.gif
And here's a map of Corsica.
http://www.bsactravelclub.co.uk/where/pics/corsica.jpg

I'll admit that there's a superficial resemblance, but it's not that good. Furthermore, Corsica is only partly shown on the CDROM map. And even more telling, wasn't the entire island of Atlantis supposed to have sunk into the sea? Last time I looked Corsica was still there.

And on the very next page you show "a depiction of the first Etruscan Atlas Map from the Ancients CD-Rom." in which Corsica is nowhere near the centre of the five rings.

There's nothing like consistency. :rolleyes:


I could go on, but frankly I was getting bored. There's absolutely nothing in this but wishful thinking, fantasy, and amazing stretches of credulity.

And those were only the most obvious, glaring errors that I picked out as I read through. :nope:

[Ladewig]

Some have even ‘amended’ the contents of the ancient texts to make it seem that they have matched the foretold events

Yes. Some people do that.


21st December 2012
After sixteen years of research and investigation, the whole planet’s population has been informed and the “religion switch” is turned off.

Does this switching off take place suddenly or gradually?

Also, what will you do if all this has not occurred by 2013?

[Edy_P]

A cubit is a unit of linear measure, from the elbow to the tip of the longest finger of a man.That’s an Egyptian ‘cubit’.

In the Hebrew Bible we need to use the original Hebrew meaning for “cubit”.

Extract p37, World Breaking Discoveries, 2007.In Strong's Concordance Hebrew word 520 “cubit” means 'a unit of measure'. Elsewhere in the Bible this measurement is further defined. Word 1574 “cubit” comes from an unused root meaning 'to grasp' (with the hand), and means 'span'. This means that a 'span' has something to do with a 'hand'. A “handbreadth” is the breadth of a human palm, being 10cm. Thus a “cubit” in this case refers to the span of the palm, being roughly 10cm (or 4 inches).

So converting 2.5 x 1.5 x 1.5 handspans (ie.cubits) to metric measurements gives a wooden box about 25cm x 15cm x 15cm in size. That’s about 10 x 6 x 6 inches.

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Kircher’s Map has the ‘north’ pointing down. Rotate the map so it points up (or rotate the cd-rom map).

[Nancarrow]

21st December 2012
After sixteen years of research and investigation, the whole planet’s population has been informed and the “religion switch” is turned off.

Well I must admit, that's the most positive interpretation of Terence McKenna's Pseudo-Mayan woo I've seen.

Now, if only believing something hard enough were to make it true, you'd be my new hero.

ETA: actually you've just reminded me, I've got some, er, 'special' cookies in my freezer, and I've been meaning to eat them. Perhaps I shall do so tonight, so as to be in the right frame of mind to appreciate your OP.

[wollery]

That’s an Egyptian ‘cubit’.

In the Hebrew Bible we need to use the original Hebrew meaning for “cubit”.

Extract p37, World Breaking Discoveries, 2007.It's really sad when people can't read, or have to fiddle the data to fit their hypothesis.

There is also a “long” cubit that is longer than a regular cubit by a handbreadth. (Ezekiel 43:13)That would refer to this passage;

43:13 And these are the measures of the altar after the cubits: The cubit is a cubit and an hand breadth; even the bottom shall be a cubit, and the breadth a cubit, and the border thereof by the edge thereof round about shall be a span: and this shall be the higher place of the altar.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ezek/43.html

Kircher’s Map has the ‘north’ pointing down. Rotate the map so it points up (or rotate the cd-rom map).I did, still only a passing resemblance.

To my mind it looks a lot more like Greenland;
http://www.mapzones.com/world/europe/greenland/greenland.jpg
And at least that's in the Atlantic!

[Loss Leader]

Crew: Two chrononauts (dressed in white lab coats);
Equipment: Desk-top computer in carry box, plus historical compact disks and history books;



Have we completely settled on the term "chrononaut"?

[wollery]

Maybe we should go with Tachynaut.

[Ziggurat]

And at least that's in the Atlantic!

And it's been covered in water too! Well, in solid form, but still... :p

[Broes]

Now if he would have used the disks that inspired the book of mormon....

At least those look like disks.... :D

[wollery]

Now if he would have used the disks that inspired the book of mormon....

At least those look like disks.... :DHe did. Apparently what Joseph Smith described as "stones" were actually CD cases. Because it's really easy to see how clear plastic looks like stone. :rolleyes:

[BlackKat]

Now if he would have used the disks that inspired the book of mormon....

At least those look like disks.... :D

Weren't those made of gold (golden plates to be more precise)? Be kind of hard for a CD drive's motor to spin up (note use of the word 'spin' over 'rotate') something that heavy...

Maybe Joseph Smith got one of these:
http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/spacecraft/images/VoyagerCover.jpg_2big.gif
Or maybe he just sold lots of records:
http://www.laurelcanyonthebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/180px-GPN-2000-001976.jpg

[Cuddles]

This makes the box 3'9"x2'3"x2'3". That's one heck of a big computer.

It was from 1995...

[wollery]

It was from 1995...It would be big for 1985!

[Ladewig]

Weren't those made of gold (golden plates to be more precise)? Be kind of hard for a CD drive's motor to spin up (note use of the word 'spin' over 'rotate') something that heavy...


There are CDs made with gold foil instead of aluminum foil. Of all of Edy_P's claims this one is the mildest.

[Ladewig]

I thought these time travellers came from our future. If so, then why the heck were they using a 1995 computer to run a CDROM which can be run on a modern system?


Quoted for relevance.

Edy_P, you will garner more respect here if you answer all of the questions posed. If you can answer only one, I'd vote for this one from Woolery.

[Edy_P]

Extracts from member’s Qs & As (WBD website Study Area), used with permission.

>Why did they take back a 386 personal desktop computer ?

It was the minimum system that would run the four particular cd-roms.

At some time in the future, someone was going to notice that the images from a certain cd-rom that run on a certain computer match to the described imagery by nearly all the ancient prophets.

If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system.
As Pegg was using the same type of computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms.


>Where was the electricity source to power computers in the ancient world ?

It is surmized that if the technology was available to make and send a time machine, chrononauts, and a computer back in time, then it would be a relative simple matter to power an older style computer.

It was explained that Noah's Ark was a computer carry and storage box. The computer fitted into the smaller end, while the 200 x 50 x 30 cm end contains enough space for a series of batteries that would be able to power a computer.

[Edy_P]

He was given two tables of stone (ie. 2 compact disks), and utilized a miraculous staff (mouse & cable).
(Comments) “I think even a complete idiot of those times would recognize that a CD wasn't made of stone. And how the heck does a mouse and cable get described as a wand?”The ancient person knew what he was describing, and in Hebrew has done so quite well.
It is the translation into English that has covered over the original meanings, thus modern people reading the English Bible are being told a different series of events to those that were originally documented by Hebrew scribes.

Exodus 24:12 “tables of stone”. Let’s check in Strong’s Concordance – Hebrew Lexicon.
Hebrew word # 3871 “tables” comes from a root meaning of ‘to glisten’ with the given meaning ‘a tablet (as polished)’ of stone, wood, or metal – with Hebrew renderings of ‘board; plate; table’.

So the English word “tables” originally meant in an Hebrew rendering ‘a polished plate (that glistens)’.

H-word #68 “stone” has a rendering of ‘head-stone’.

The Ancients cd-rom IS a polished plate that glistens (on the back), and has an image of a head on it (a face) – thus literally, a head-stone. The Hebrew description (using original Hebrew meanings) fits.

Hebrew word #4731 “staff” also means ‘rod’; and from the electronic CD-Rom version The Holy Bible, Media Graphics International, 1998 - ‘wand of a diviner’.


Joseph Smith wrote of his encounter .....snip..... He was given plates and two stones (plastic cases containing compact disks).
(Comment) Again, how could someone be so dense at to describe transparent plastic as stone?American English is using the same ‘covered over’ Bible meanings as the Old English translations.
Joseph Smith’s understanding of ‘plates’ came from the stories of ancient Hebrew historian/ prophet Lehi/ Nephi. So we need to use the ancient Hebrew meanings – not contemporary American/English ones.

Hebrew word #6731 “plate” properly means ‘glistening as in a burnished plate’ and comes from word #6692 which means ‘to compress’.
Thus the original Hebrew meaning of plate stemmed from something compressed and glistening.

Again, a description of a compact disk.

RE: “Gold plates”, Book of Mormon.
Hebrew word #2091 “gold” comes from an unused root meaning ‘to shimmer’. The Old English translator has ignored the etymology of the word and decided it meant ‘gold’. But if we use the root meaning, “gold” originally associated with something that ‘shimmered’.

“Gold Plate” = a compressed, glistening, shimmering plate.


Ezekiel 2:9-10 says "Behold a roll of a book...written within and without&quot.
English meaning of "roll" is 'to rotate' (as in a rotary motion of an object around its own axis).
These are describing a compact disk that spins around (rolls) and has its information sealed within layers of plastic.
(Comments) Wow, what a stretch. Roll has a very specific meaning, it means to rotate around a horizontal axis in such a way as to move forwards in a horizontal direction perpendicular to said horizontal axis. Nobody who had actually seen a CD working would describe it as "rolling" and that isn't even the way it was described. It was described as "a roll of a book" which is how one would describe a large scroll.Again, you are using contemporary English/American meanings, plus not the basic meaning of “roll” as I have cited from an Australian dictionary. Also see item 12 via www wordreference com/definition/roll .. which gives “roll” – ‘rotary motion of an object around its own axis’ and not the extended version as added in the comment above.

Let’s look at the etymology of the English word “roll”. In circa.1225CE it came to mean "rolled-up piece of parchment or paper", from O.Fr. rolle, from M.L. rotulus "a roll of paper", from L. rotula "small wheel", dim. of rota "wheel".
So back when the early religious Romans were translating the Hebrew Bible, their understanding of what we now call a “roll” was a ‘small wheel’. ie. an ancient description of a compact disk. The religious Romans later employed this ‘sacred small wheel’ as the concept (and exact shape) behind the wafer of the Roman Mass (the small wafer with the hole in the middle).


John reports seeing 12 lots of 12,000. John reported seeing the list of 12 items containing the 12:00:00:00 notation.
(Comment) Anyone else notice a missing 0 here?While the 12,000 stated by John is one zero short of the 12:00:00 seen on the screen, elsewhere in his other work Ron Pegg explains that the biblical tithe which means 'a tenth' is an encoded value that in the historical context reduces actual non-religious historical numbers over one thousand that are quoted in the Bible by one tenth. ie. the last zero is left off the number stated in the Bible. In this case the twelve 120,000 numbers (12:00:00) are quoted as twelve lots of 12,000.

[wollery]

Well, you ignore the fact that the old testament wasn't written in Hebrew, but in Aramaic, then translated into Hebrew, then Latin, then English.

12 lots of 12,000 would be 144,000, not 120,000. Someone, somewhere in all this can't do basic maths.

And what of the other criticisms?

[BlackKat]

Extracts from member’s Qs & As (WBD website Study Area), used with permission.

>Why did they take back a 386 personal desktop computer ?

It was the minimum system that would run the four particular cd-roms.

At some time in the future, someone was going to notice that the images from a certain cd-rom that run on a certain computer match to the described imagery by nearly all the ancient prophets.

If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system.
As Pegg was using the same type of computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms.


>Where was the electricity source to power computers in the ancient world ?

It is surmized that if the technology was available to make and send a time machine, chrononauts, and a computer back in time, then it would be a relative simple matter to power an older style computer.

It was explained that Noah's Ark was a computer carry and storage box. The computer fitted into the smaller end, while the 200 x 50 x 30 cm end contains enough space for a series of batteries that would be able to power a computer.

A PC is a PC is a PC. The chassis is as interchangeable as your clothes. You could (cooling and motherboard standards issues aside) use any given chassis for any given processor. Or if you want to be really silly you don't need one at all:
http://www.wayodd.com/funny-pictures2/funny-pictures-the-ghetto-computer-19v.jpg
(looks like something ES would do)

Where is it explained that Noah's Ark is a computer? Noah's Ark (so the myth goes) was a boat holding a male and female of every species of animal ever to exist. As laughable as the flood/boat/animal myth is, it is less laughable than it being a computer.

I leave your linguistic spaghetti to someone better at it than me.

But I am fairly sure that part of the Joseph Smith myth is that he knew only English at the time of the Book of Mormon's writing... and that it is largely just plagiarized from the King James Bible (written in English of course). This is what Joseph Smith thought of when he says the word 'plate':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates

And a headstone is just a tablet shaped stone like we see on many grave sites:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=headstone&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

CDs spin. A wheel rolls. A scroll 'roll's up.

[MRC_Hans]

Welcome Edy P

To the opening post: Nice piece. You need to flesh it up with an actual plot, of course, and some action. Go for about 150 pages, and you'll have a nice SF/fantasy novel, that based on your authoring skills and luck could actually be published. Then start thinking about a sequel. Why, if you're good you could have stuff there for a "Time Trilogy".

.....

.... We were not supposed to take this seriously, ehh?

Hans

[MRC_Hans]

*snip*
It was explained that Noah's Ark was a computer carry and storage box. The computer fitted into the smaller end, while the 200 x 50 x 30 cm end contains enough space for a series of batteries that would be able to power a computer.Wrong ark. You are thinking of Mose's ark. Ark means box. Do try to get your references straight; good research is the cornerstone of good litterature. Only the wildly talented can get away with skipping on research, and I fear you are not one of those.

Hans

[Ladewig]

Extracts from member’s Qs & As (WBD website Study Area), used with permission.

>Why did they take back a 386 personal desktop computer ?

It was the minimum system that would run the four particular cd-roms.

At some time in the future, someone was going to notice that the images from a certain cd-rom that run on a certain computer match to the described imagery by nearly all the ancient prophets.

If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system.
As Pegg was using the same type of computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms.

I am amazed almost to the point of speechlessness. Your response answers the question of why the 'time police' brought a ridiculously large computer with a ridiculously small amount of the computing power. But you have not explained why the first teams of time travelers brought ridiculously large computers with a ridiculously small amounts of the computing power.

[Ladewig]

While the 12,000 stated by John is one zero short of the 12:00:00 seen on the screen, elsewhere in his other work Ron Pegg explains that the biblical tithe which means 'a tenth' is an encoded value that in the historical context reduces actual non-religious historical numbers over one thousand that are quoted in the Bible by one tenth. ie. the last zero is left off the number stated in the Bible. In this case the twelve 120,000 numbers (12:00:00) are quoted as twelve lots of 12,000.

Why would someone who had never seen colons in his entire life believe that 12:00:00:00 should be considered 120000 before multiplying by one-tenth?

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
ETA - What you are doing is called shoehorning: coming up with far-fetched explanations of why the data supports your theory when it fact the data contradicts your theory.

[Loss Leader]

...It is the translation into English that has covered over the original meanings, ...
Hebrew word # 3871 “tables” comes from a root meaning of ‘to glisten’ with the given meaning ‘a tablet (as polished)’ of stone, wood, or metal – with Hebrew renderings of ‘board; plate; table’.
...
Hebrew word #4731 “staff” also means ‘rod’; and from the electronic CD-Rom version The Holy Bible, Media Graphics International, 1998 - ‘wand of a diviner’.
...
Hebrew word #6731 “plate” properly means ‘glistening as in a burnished plate’ and comes from word #6692 which means ‘to compress’.
Thus the original Hebrew meaning of plate stemmed from something compressed and glistening.
...
Hebrew word #2091 “gold” comes from an unused root meaning ‘to shimmer’. ...
Let’s look at the etymology of the English word “roll”. In circa.1225CE it came to mean "rolled-up piece of parchment or paper", from O.Fr. rolle, from M.L. rotulus "a roll of paper",
...
While the 12,000 stated by John is one zero short of the 12:00:00 seen on the screen, elsewhere in his other work Ron Pegg explains that the biblical tithe which means 'a tenth' is an encoded value that in the historical context reduces actual non-religious historical numbers over one thousand...


So everything in the Bible is true except when we get to the parts that really hurt your theory. At that point, we must depart from actually reading the text to examine root words, mistaken observations, mistranslations and more.

It all seems rather ... convenient.

[Neutiquam Erro]

I am amazed almost to the point of speechlessness. Your response answers the question of why the 'time police' brought a ridiculously large computer with a ridiculously small amount of the computing power. But you have not explained why the first teams of time travelers brought ridiculously large computers with a ridiculously small amounts of the computing power.

Because performance/compatibility problems have been encountered on other journeys?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_445446caf47893ad7.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=7855)

[Ladewig]

How then do you think modern objects and their contents became documented and depicted in many of the world’s ancient texts - as the evidence shows ?

Would you cite some of this evidence?

I do hope you are not going to drag out the Mayan carving showing an astronaut. That, like all of von Daniken's claims, has already been debunked.

[ktesibios]

Of course, there's an alternate explanation for ancient CD-ROMS.

Minus Y2k: The Bug that Toppled Egypt (http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Desert/3481/minusy2k.html)

[Edy_P]

>”Well, you ignore the fact that the old testament wasn't written in Hebrew, but in Aramaic, then translated into Hebrew, then Latin, then English.”

You may not be aware of the format of Strong’s Concordance.

The full title of its ‘Lexicon’ to which I refer is “New Strong’s Concise Dictionary of the words in the Hebrew Bible with their renderings in the King James Version” and has two parts,
1). Hebrew and Aramaic Dictionary,
2). Greek Dictionary.

I obtained my original Old Testament meanings from the Hebrew and Aramaic section (abbreviated by me in my works as ‘Hebrew’).
I have in fact referenced the Aramaic and Hebrew origins of the Bible’s words.


>”12 lots of 12,000 would be 144,000, not 120,000.”

Nowhere have I said nor indicated that the 12 lots of figures had to be multiplied together.
The fact that 12:00:00 taken as a number derives 120,000 was indicated earlier.


>”A PC is a PC is a PC. The chassis is as interchangeable as your clothes.”

It was the monitor that had to fit into the small end of the carry box.
The bigger the chassis, often the bigger the monitor, so the smallest – 386 was employed.


>“ Noah's Ark (so the myth goes) was a boat”

Someone else pointed out that “ark” means ‘box’, not boat.

>“Where is it explained that Noah's Ark is a computer?”
In the Study Area of the WBD website, News Reports, EP’s 2005 DISCOVERIES section – Noah’s Ark Identified .


>“But I am fairly sure that part of the Joseph Smith myth is that he knew only English at the time of the Book of Mormon's writing”

My information about the “plates of Mormon” is taken from the Introduction Section of the Book of Mormon – specifically the “A Brief Explanation About” page.


>In relation to Noah’s Ark, Hans commented “Wrong ark. You are thinking of Mose's ark.”

Noah’s Ark is mentioned by Moses in the Old Testament – so technically it too is an ark of Moses. But this is not the point you are trying to make, as I believe you are referring to the ‘Ark of the Covenant’. Different box. Grab Strong’s Concordance and view the original meanings for yourself – “box of compacts”.


>“Why would someone who had never seen colons in his entire life believe that 12:00:00:00 should be considered 120000 before multiplying by one-tenth?”

Refer Revelations 7:4 “And I heard the number of them which were sealed: sealed an hundred forty four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”

John says he ‘heard’ the numbers. The messenger told him 144 thousand, then related the 12 lots of 12:00:00:00 notations as 12,000s.
It was the messenger that told John the numbers in the encoded format.


>“So everything in the Bible is true except…”

No. Most of the prophets and the so-called ‘witness’ letters (which have been deemed by religious people to be ‘true’) are describing viewing imagery from the cd-roms.


>“…we must depart from actually reading the text…”

You are reading American/English meanings of translated Latin words interpreted by contemporary evangelists (depending upon which Bible you are reading) who did so with their own agenda.

>“…to examine root words, mistaken observations, mistranslations and more”

The printed version of Strong’s Concordance is required, as many modern electronic versions and other types of Lexicons have been amended to make the modern contemporary meanings fit with the slant the various modern Religions wish to influence.

Take the word “ark”.
For five thousand years we have been told that ark meant a boat, but that is not what the original Hebrew/Aramaic meaning indicates.

When you check the original meanings, you will be surprised how many do not use the root meaning, but just the translator’s interpretation. So what we have been lead to believe- is not actually correct.


>I asked “ How then do you think modern objects and their contents became documented and depicted in many of the world’s ancient texts - as the evidence shows ?” and received the reply…

>”Would you cite some of this evidence?”

On the website I have shown comparisons of textual descriptions with the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom.
I can only assume that the website has not been visited, as the following is presented….

First up in the NEWS HEADLINES section...
Modern Objects Depicted in Ancient Texts
Ancient Encounters with Modern Objects
Ancient Tablet Identified as a modern CD-Rom
End-Time Book with Seven Seals Identified
Computer Parts Described in Ancient Texts
Imagery from CD-Roms Described in Ancient Texts
-Egyptian Hieroglyphs (Book of the Dead)
- Genesis Chapter 1 (Old Testament)
- Ezekiel's Wheels within Wheels
- Ezekiel's Temple Measured
- The Beasts of Daniel
- Four Beasts of Revelations (New Testament)
- Gospel of Matthew
- The Mountainous Ship (Qur'an)
- Hindu and Buddhist Understanding (India)
- Apparatus of Nostradamus Identified
Modern History Told and Shown to Ancient People
- 1991 Persian Gulf War
- 1994 Comet SL-9 impacting Jupiter
- Events portrayed as End Time Signs
Activities of Modern Scholars Told to Ancient People
The Big Picture

From the STUDY AREA....

Here is a list of Pegg's Reports
New Testament - John's Four Beasts
Old Testament - Daniel's Four Beasts, Ezekiel's - Wheels, - Four Beasts, Temple Measured
The Qur'an - The Mountainous Ship
The Book of Mormon - Lehi's Dream, The Plates of Mormon
Plato's Walled Temple, Atlantis Island Found, City beneath the Sea
Nostradamus WTC 911
ANCIENT TABLETS
Seer Stones
Hebrew
Hindu
Buddhist
Hebrew Oracle
Angelic Messengers
Heaven's Ladder
Writing on the Wall
Three Windows

Here is a list of my Reports
DISCOVERIES 2002 -
CD-rom in Bible
City at 45 Degrees
The Smith Encounter
Bible Code 2
Book with 7 Seals
Daniel Time Lines
Seven Kingdoms
Creation Myth Revealed

ANCIENTS CD-ROM
Review & Criticism

2005 DISCOVERIES
Noah's Ark Identified
Tabernacle Contents
Masters & Reincarnation
Reincarnation in the Bible
Brasen Serpent of Moses
Sepher Yetzirah
Akkadian Mythology
Book of the Dead
Egyptian Hieroglyphics
Egyptian Vignette

This was just the visual presentations.

Link: www worldbreakingdiscoveries com au ...

[Ladewig]

Why would someone who had never seen colons in his entire life believe that 12:00:00:00 should be considered 120000 before multiplying by one-tenth?

Refer Revelations 7:4 “And I heard the number of them which were sealed: sealed an hundred forty four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”

John says he ‘heard’ the numbers. The messenger told him 144 thousand, then related the 12 lots of 12:00:00:00 notations as 12,000s.
It was the messenger that told John the numbers in the encoded format.


1) Why would a time traveller demonstrating a computer to an ancient person read information from the boot screen!? Or more precisely, why would anyone preparing to show images from a CD_ROM (in this case "Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean") ever read numbers from the boot screen.

2) Why would that time traveller who was reading numbers from the boot screen say twelve-thousand (or one-hundred twenty thousand) when looking at a time notation indicating midnight? (citation: http://worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/2007h/nh_5.html )

. . . . . . . . .
You skipped what I now consider to be the most important question in the thread: What will you do if none of the predictions come true by 2013?

[Ladewig]

”Would you cite some of this evidence?”

On the website I have shown comparisons of textual descriptions with the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom.
I can only assume that the website has not been visited, as the following is presented….
[snip]
Ancient Encounters with Modern Objects

From the link (http://worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/2007h/nh_2.html) :
The Egyptian Priest (and Hebrew prophet) Moses had an encounter with whom he believed to be God, on a mountain, in a bright light, and was given instructions and
two tables of stone, and utilized a miraculous staff.

In another Old Testament story Jacob had a dream upon stones in which he saw heaven's ladder (Genesis 28:11-19).

The Old Testament prophet Ezekiel saw the glory of God (a bright light) and cherubim (angelic messengers), then told of his encounter which included visions and the measuring of a certain temple, plus information about future events. He spoke of a certain 'roll of a book' that was written 'within and without'.

The Old Testament prophet Daniel in a dream saw certain visions, and speaking with angels (one was named Gabriel) was told of future events. He was shown a certain 'end time book'.

The Christian prophet Jesus had an experience with a white light (of the Holy Spirit), went up a mountain, was given instructions, and told stories.

The writer of over half of the Christian New Testament, Paul, saw scales fall from before his eyes (Acts 9:18).


Those stories are not evidence. Those are stories related by primative people to emphasize concepts important to their religion. To say that Jesus saw a bright light and was told stories does not indicate in any way that Jesus spoke with time travellers.


- Ezekiel's Wheels within Wheels link (http://worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/2007h/nh_7e.html)

How can anyone seriously take that claim as evidence that Ezekiel was visited by time travellers?


You are starting with a theory (time travellers from the future took antiquated computers back a few thousand years) and are focusing on data that supports your theory while ignoring logical gaps, errors in reasoning, and evidence against your theory.

[Cuddles]

To say that Jesus saw a bright light and was told stories does not indicate in any way that Jesus spoke with time travellers.

In fact, this proves that Jesus didn't see a computer. That would have been a blue screen, not a white light.:p

[NobbyNobbs]

I'm going to be very disappointed if this theory doesn't somehow involve a 1.21 gigawatt flux capacitor.

[Edy_P]

>“1) Why would a time traveller demonstrating a computer to an ancient person read information from the boot screen!? Or more precisely, why would anyone preparing to show images from a CD_ROM (in this case "Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean") ever read numbers from the boot screen.”

The messenger cited by John, and reported by John as showing him things from the ‘sealed book’ and specifically telling him things – was teaching John how to run a cd-rom from the computer’s Window Manager screen.

>>“Why would a time traveller demonstrating a computer to an ancient person read information from the boot screen”

To show John exactly where and what had to be clicked upon* to make the presentations appear on screen.
John then ran another two cds and reported their contents: Grolier cd in Revelations chapter 9, and RedShift2 cd in Revelations chapter 12.

* ie. the number (in kb) of the seal (program file) that must be highlighted in order to be clicked upon.


>“2) Why would that time traveller who was reading numbers from the boot screen say twelve-thousand (or one-hundred twenty thousand) when looking at a time notation indicating midnight?”

This ties in with their previous encoding of historical information in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, in Rev chp 9 the total ‘troop number’ is also reported as a tenth less than actual historical figures. It was one of the ways they encoded info of troop numbers.
To John, this series of twelve numbers may have stood out as something special, so he asked what they were in relation to the main 144K number he was told. For some reason he interpreted them to refer to the children of Israel (tribes) – which is a reference to ‘troop numbers’ encoded in the Old Testament (hidden under the religious interpretation of ‘children of Israel’).


>“What will you do if none of the predictions come true by 2013?” was asked in relation to “21st December 2012: After sixteen years of research and investigation, the whole planet’s population has been informed and the ‘religion switch’ is turned off” where it was first asked “..what will you do if all this has not occurred by 2013?”

I have not made any predictions. In the accompanying NOTE it clearly stated “The Future section contains thoughts on how all this may have come about.” This also included the 21st December 2012 section too. Ronald Pegg mentioned this date as the possible ‘turn-off’ date of religions. I added his thoughts to my summary.

I personally will continue research based on any new information – and evaluate the new info as required. Whether that Mayan date is what Pegg suggests remains to be seen.


>“You are starting with a theory (time travellers from the future took antiquated computers back a few thousand years)…..”

No. Time travellers from the future taking computers back a few thousand years is the conclusion based upon ten years of investigation.

Between 1996 and 1998 Ronald Pegg found modern historical events documented in ancient texts, both at the surface level and in an encoded manner. That was his first observation.

When these claims were investigated – it was found that ancient texts do in fact contain extracts of actual history from specific modern history books. (named on the website)

Upon further investigation it was found that the common link between the documentation of future historical events in ancient texts was an encounter with God or his angels. These angels used certain ‘books’ to show and tell the ancient prophets who then documented their encounters.

At this stage it was proposed by Pegg that GOD’s Angels travelled through time and took the named printed modern history books back to the ancient prophets and told and showed them the enclosed information – as documented by various named ancient prophets. This was the first theory. The evidence seemed to support this concept.

But if this theory was correct for the Old Testament, then at other encounters with angels or gods, there should be the same evidence of modern history documented. But as well as history, there were certain sequences of animal imagery cited (the ‘future visions’).
In 1998 Pegg found that the described imagery from “dream or vision” encounters with messengers not only contained the printed history book data, but the exact sequence of images from the Ancients cd-rom. This expanded the search for evidence throughout the period 5000BCE to 1890CE to include the documented WAR data, ANIMAL pictures, plus other future Astronomical and Historical events including certain Named People (being the religious story of the ‘End Time SIGNS’).

Pegg used his hypothesis to predict what additional evidence should exist only if the hypothesis is true. Basically, at all encounters with gods, GOD, or Angels, various combinations of animal descriptions, Persian Gulf War data, named people and the historical events – should appear in ancient texts.

He investigated over 25 ancient texts, and there in the ancient descriptions – often covered over by mistranslations or religious rhetoric – were the same animal, war, and future historical events documented. And the documented “Visions” and “Signs” in all these ancient texts were found to be descriptions of sequences of imagery from at least three cd-roms – Ancients, Grolier, and RedShift2.

He found that some of the religiously described gods, GOD, and angels were not of a divine nature, but referred to the icons from the three cd-roms (the seals/doorways which were often depicted as animals).
This destroyed his first theory that it was GOD’s Angels who took back the modern books and compact disks.
The other ‘angels’ who are documented by the named prophet as specifically talking to and showing them ‘future things’ were therefore also not of a divine nature.
Pegg found computer parts documented in the Old Testament, and when Strong’s Concordance was employed to return the mistranslated and misinterpreted Latin and Greek meanings back to the original Hebrew/Aramaic, WHY all this is documented in ancient texts was eventually revealed.

In 2002 I set up PPHC Study Group to reinvestigate all his work. Most of it checked out (98%).
I then included Akkadian and Egyptian texts, and found computer technology documented in their stories and depicted in hieroglyphs.

So my announcement of ‘Modern computer technology is described and depicted in ancient texts’ is not a theory – but the fact that modern computer technology is described and depicted in ancient texts.

At this point, based upon ten years of investigation, I conclude that human time travellers made this happen. We know the WHY, we know What was used and sent back to the past – as it is documented in texts and depicted in others – but just like most people, I personally do not know How or When the technology for this becomes (became) available.


>“To say that Jesus saw a bright light and was told stories does not indicate in any way that Jesus spoke with time travellers. In fact, this proves that Jesus didn't see a computer. That would have been a blue screen, not a white light.”

The “white light” refers to the arrival of the time messengers – not Jesus looking as a computer screen.
It is one of the characteristics of time travel.
Refer “a tube of light up into the sky” as mentioned by the British researcher Jenny Randles in her book ‘Time Storms’ wherein she examined and established several distinctive attributes for the phenomenon that she called a Time Storm - a disturbance in the flow of time.

[wollery]

:nope:

[BlackKat]

I just hope these time travelers have an "excellent adventure".

Where's the kitten Wollery?

[Ladewig]

I just hope these time travelers have an "excellent adventure".

Where's the kitten Wollery?

Kittens have been outlawed. In any case, I don't think kittens are appropriate at this point. I do believe that trolls should be fed cute kittens, but I see no evidence that Edy_P is a troll (someone who posts things he or she doesn't really believe in order to provoke reactions).

[wollery]

They're not allowed any more!

[Ladewig]

>“1) Why would a time traveller demonstrating a computer to an ancient person read information from the boot screen!? Or more precisely, why would anyone preparing to show images from a CD_ROM (in this case "Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean") ever read numbers from the boot screen.”

The messenger cited by John, and reported by John as showing him things from the ‘sealed book’ and specifically telling him things – was teaching John how to run a cd-rom from the computer’s Window Manager screen.

Why was the time traveller (t.t.) teaching John how to run a CD-ROM? Why was it necessary to show John how to open the files? Surely the time traveller was not planning on leaving the computer with John.

Again, why did the t.t. choose a ridiculously out of date computer with an ridiculously unstable operating system when travelling back in time? I am assuming that the t.t. started from some date well beyond 2007.


>“2) Why would that time traveller who was reading numbers from the boot screen say twelve-thousand (or one-hundred twenty thousand) when looking at a time notation indicating midnight?”

This ties in with their previous encoding of historical information in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, in Rev chp 9 the total ‘troop number’ is also reported as a tenth less than actual historical figures. It was one of the ways they encoded info of troop numbers.

To John, this series of twelve numbers may have stood out as something special, so he asked what they were in relation to the main 144K number he was told. For some reason he interpreted them to refer to the children of Israel (tribes) – which is a reference to ‘troop numbers’ encoded in the Old Testament (hidden under the religious interpretation of ‘children of Israel’).

What a fantastic leap in logic. The time codes look nothing like large numbers. Between every pair of digits is a colon. Again we come to the core of the problem. You are starting with an assumption (time travellers showed circa 1993 computers to characters in the Bible) and are willing to make up interpretations out of
whole cloth to fit your idée fixe.

>>“You are starting with a theory (time travellers from the future took antiquated computers back a few thousand years)…..”

No. Time travellers from the future taking computers back a few thousand years is the conclusion based upon ten years of investigation.

But if one's investigations are faulty then it doesn't matter if there are ten years worth or one hundred years worth.

You look at a screen showing an image of a map with a circular graphic on one side (link (http://worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/2007h/nh_7e.html)) and conclude that Ezekiel must have seen this image. Did it ever occur to you that the person who drew that graphic design had read the Bible and decided to include the "wheels within wheels" design because he thought it was interesting? Isn't that explanation orders of magnitude simpler than time travelling computer users? Your opinions are clouding your reasoning. Look at the picture: wheels in the image you cite are not even in the sky - they are in the water.

Feel free to submit your ideas to archeologists or Bible scholars or theoretical physicists. A favorable peer review would go a long way in classifying these ideas as anything except unfounded assertions.

[Edy_P]

>“You look at a screen showing an image of a map with a circular graphic on one side and conclude that Ezekiel must have seen this image.”

No. This image is just one of many dozens that he describes.
If this was the only image upon which I based my conclusion, then I may agree with you, but...

Ezekiel describes the Ancients cd-rom imagery in chapters 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, 40, 41.
For example:
In chapter 1 he first documents viewing the ‘five gods’ and the ‘sky’ of the Introduction sequence, the ‘fiery red Windrose’ of the Voyage screen, then the four animal icons from the middle of the Map Page, being a lion, a man's face, a she-wolf (cow), and a capital (that looks like curled wings of a bird) as well as describing the red block letters that flash up when the cursor is passed over each active animal icon (and that they moved due to a man's hand - ie. the hand controlling the computer's mouse).
The two part animated Sailboat cursor is described as ‘the spirit’ that made them ‘move’.

So we have Ezekiel describing images from the Introduction screen, the Voyage screen, the Map Page, then how the Sailboat cursor makes it move on to the next. The page that shows four blue wheels the same within a larger ring comes next (Places page from the Etruscan presentation), and is hence described in Ezekiel 1:15-18, along with how the red dots and white Headings for seventeen towns that are located on the Italian peninsula as "rings were full of eyes" being that they were full of visual information.

In 1:24 Ezekiel describes various sounds he heard.
"the noise of great waters" = the noise of breaking surf from the 'five gods' introduction sequence.
"the voice of the Almighty…speech" = the narrator's voice from the Military presentation.
"the noise of an army" = the battle sounds from the Military presentation.

In 1:26 Ezekiel documents seeing the Header section of the screen that contains various menu icons (such as the Places map icon) as "the likeness of a throne, above the firmament that was over their heads", and the History icon that is in the image of a soldier (man) as "the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it".

In 1:27-28 Ezekiel describes the Military icon which is a soldier (similar to the one depicted in the history icon) seen on the Etruscan main page. The "appearance of the brightness round about" = the white highlight box that appears around the soldier (and other icons) when the cursor passes over them.

Another active icon on the Etruscan page is the Temple icon. Chapters 40 & 41 describe exact measurements from the Etruscan Temple as well as first introducing wherein the cd-rom this Temple is to be found.

From over 30 verses 55 measurements and/or descriptions match exactly to those described by the biblical Ezekiel (40:2 to 41:13); plus we were told when to 'enter' the Temple, and when to 'enlarge' it: and all this was after he first introduced wherein the cd-rom this Temple could be found.

So the ‘wheels within wheels’ image matching to Ezekiel’s description is not an isolated guess nor an unfounded assertion.

[TX50]

The verse wherein Ezekiel describes "sudden blueness as of the firmament,
and the name thereon inscribed in gold of a mighty leader - General
Protection Fault" has been tragically lost...

[Ladewig]

>“You look at a screen showing an image of a map with a circular graphic on one side and conclude that Ezekiel must have seen this image.”

No. This image is just one of many dozens that he describes.
If this was the only image upon which I based my conclusion, then I may agree with you, but...

Ezekiel describes the Ancients cd-rom imagery in chapters 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, 40, 41.
For example:
In chapter 1 he first documents viewing the ‘five gods’ and the ‘sky’ of the Introduction sequence, the ‘fiery red Windrose’ of the Voyage screen, then the four animal icons from the middle of the Map Page, being a lion, a man's face, a she-wolf (cow), and a capital (that looks like curled wings of a bird) as well as describing the red block letters that flash up when the cursor is passed over each active animal icon (and that they moved due to a man's hand - ie. the hand controlling the computer's mouse).
The two part animated Sailboat cursor is described as ‘the spirit’ that made them ‘move’.

So we have Ezekiel describing images from the Introduction screen, the Voyage screen, the Map Page, then how the Sailboat cursor makes it move on to the next. The page that shows four blue wheels the same within a larger ring comes next (Places page from the Etruscan presentation), and is hence described in Ezekiel 1:15-18, along with how the red dots and white Headings for seventeen towns that are located on the Italian peninsula as "rings were full of eyes" being that they were full of visual information.

In 1:24 Ezekiel describes various sounds he heard.
"the noise of great waters" = the noise of breaking surf from the 'five gods' introduction sequence.
"the voice of the Almighty…speech" = the narrator's voice from the Military presentation.
"the noise of an army" = the battle sounds from the Military presentation.

In 1:26 Ezekiel documents seeing the Header section of the screen that contains various menu icons (such as the Places map icon) as "the likeness of a throne, above the firmament that was over their heads", and the History icon that is in the image of a soldier (man) as "the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it".

In 1:27-28 Ezekiel describes the Military icon which is a soldier (similar to the one depicted in the history icon) seen on the Etruscan main page. The "appearance of the brightness round about" = the white highlight box that appears around the soldier (and other icons) when the cursor passes over them.

Another active icon on the Etruscan page is the Temple icon. Chapters 40 & 41 describe exact measurements from the Etruscan Temple as well as first introducing wherein the cd-rom this Temple is to be found.

From over 30 verses 55 measurements and/or descriptions match exactly to those described by the biblical Ezekiel (40:2 to 41:13); plus we were told when to 'enter' the Temple, and when to 'enlarge' it: and all this was after he first introduced wherein the cd-rom this Temple could be found.

So the ‘wheels within wheels’ image matching to Ezekiel’s description is not an isolated guess nor an unfounded assertion.

And again I ask: How do you know that the person who designed the CD didn't have a fascination with Bible prophecy? Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by a very devoted Christian? Isn't that explanation simpler and more realistic than time travellers taking archaric computers into the past simply to show CD-ROMs to Bible characters?

[rtalman]

In chapter 1 he first documents viewing the ‘five gods’ and the ‘sky’ of the Introduction sequence, the ‘fiery red Windrose’ of the Voyage screen, then the four animal icons from the middle of the Map Page, being a lion, a man's face, a she-wolf (cow), and a capital (that looks like curled wings of a bird) as well as describing the red block letters that flash up when the cursor is passed over each active animal icon (and that they moved due to a man's hand - ie. the hand controlling the computer's mouse).
The two part animated Sailboat cursor is described as ‘the spirit’ that made them ‘move’.

<snip>

In 1:24 Ezekiel describes various sounds he heard.
"the noise of great waters" = the noise of breaking surf from the 'five gods' introduction sequence.
"the voice of the Almighty…speech" = the narrator's voice from the Military presentation.
"the noise of an army" = the battle sounds from the Military presentation.

<snip>

In 1:27-28 Ezekiel describes the Military icon which is a soldier (similar to the one depicted in the history icon) seen on the Etruscan main page. The "appearance of the brightness round about" = the white highlight box that appears around the soldier (and other icons) when the cursor passes over them.So really, Ezekiel was watching over some nerd's shoulder while he was playing Warcraft.

[arthwollipot]

Hmm. Fascinating thread.

[Edy_P]

How do you know that the person who designed the CD didn't have a fascination with Bible prophecy? Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by a very devoted Christian? Isn't that explanation simpler and more realistic than time travellers taking archaric computers into the past simply to show CD-ROMs to Bible characters?

In essence, you are saying that the Ancients cd-rom pictures may have been based upon the perceived imagery from various biblical stories.

If ancient descriptions of the Ancients cd-rom imagery were confined to only biblical prophecy, then your questions would hold more weight.
But the Bible is made up of over 60 separate books from different (often unknown) authors spanning between 1230BCE and 95CE – and many of them contain the same descriptions.
The same descriptions turn up in other ancient texts from other cultures too.

Nowhere in the six presentations from the Ancients cd-rom does a Christian bias (nor of any other Faith) show itself.
The religious practices of those civilizations are presented fairly and accurately.

The format and content of the Ancients cd-rom is historical. There is no indication of the author/producer’s personal opinions or beliefs coming out in the presentations.

You are not the first to comment “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by…..”

When the Atlantis evidence is presented in isolation, “Greek people who knew the Atlantis story” finishes the above question.

When the Egyptian evidence is presented in isolation, “People who knew Egyptian religion” finishes the above question.

Independently these different people are saying that the Ancients cd-rom imagery may have been based upon; 1) the Atlantis story, 2) Egyptian stories.
Both can not be right.

For “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by…..” use a similar ‘ending’ for instances in the following cultures that describe the cd-roms…

Egyptian Mythology, Arab Mythology, Hindu stories, Vedic and Celtic Mythology, Germanic and Scandinavian stories, Greek and Roman Mythology, Buddhism stories, Native American stories, Australian Aboriginal stories, Muslim stories, etc., etc.

So in answer to “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by a very devoted Christian?” relates to the fact that other people who represent these other cultures say the same thing when first confronted with Pegg’s work. Hence, with everyone declaring a similar comment, all can not be correct. Thus any one religious influence is not the source.

In relation to “Isn't that explanation simpler and more realistic than time travellers taking archaric computers into the past simply to show CD-ROMs to Bible characters?”
It wasn’t only Bible characters who report cd-rom images.
As an example, Australian Aboriginals had no input into the making of the Ancients cd-rom yet their stories contain descriptions of its imagery.

If I had presented Pegg’s Australian Aboriginal findings first, using your logic you may have asked “How do you know that the person who designed the CD didn't have a fascination with Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories?”

While possibly relevant to alternative theories, that question (also in the ‘Christian’ and other forms) is just a red herring that side-tracks us from the investigation and evaluation of Pegg’s presented evidence.



>“So really, Ezekiel was watching over some nerd's shoulder while he was playing Warcraft.”

Pretty close.
Ezekiel (and Daniel) were watching a computer screen upon which the ‘time messenger’ was showing them the Etruscan Military animation from the Ancients cd-rom.

John was watching a computer screen upon which the ‘time messenger’ was showing him the 1991 Persian Gulf War audio/visual animation from the Grolier cd-rom – which is documented in Revelations chapter 9.

[Ladewig]

In essence, you are saying that the Ancients cd-rom pictures may have been based upon the perceived imagery from various biblical stories.

If ancient descriptions of the Ancients cd-rom imagery were confined to only biblical prophecy, then your questions would hold more weight.
But the Bible is made up of over 60 separate books from different (often unknown) authors spanning between 1230BCE and 95CE – and many of them contain the same descriptions.
The same descriptions turn up in other ancient texts from other cultures too.

Nowhere in the six presentations from the Ancients cd-rom does a Christian bias (nor of any other Faith) show itself.
The religious practices of those civilizations are presented fairly and accurately.

The format and content of the Ancients cd-rom is historical. There is no indication of the author/producer’s personal opinions or beliefs coming out in the presentations.

You are not the first to comment “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by…..”

When the Atlantis evidence is presented in isolation, “Greek people who knew the Atlantis story” finishes the above question.

When the Egyptian evidence is presented in isolation, “People who knew Egyptian religion” finishes the above question.

Independently these different people are saying that the Ancients cd-rom imagery may have been based upon; 1) the Atlantis story, 2) Egyptian stories.
Both can not be right.

For “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by…..” use a similar ‘ending’ for instances in the following cultures that describe the cd-roms…

Egyptian Mythology, Arab Mythology, Hindu stories, Vedic and Celtic Mythology, Germanic and Scandinavian stories, Greek and Roman Mythology, Buddhism stories, Native American stories, Australian Aboriginal stories, Muslim stories, etc., etc.

So in answer to “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by a very devoted Christian?” relates to the fact that other people who represent these other cultures say the same thing when first confronted with Pegg’s work. Hence, with everyone declaring a similar comment, all can not be correct. Thus any one religious influence is not the source.

In relation to “Isn't that explanation simpler and more realistic than time travellers taking archaric computers into the past simply to show CD-ROMs to Bible characters?”
It wasn’t only Bible characters who report cd-rom images.
As an example, Australian Aboriginals had no input into the making of the Ancients cd-rom yet their stories contain descriptions of its imagery.

If I had presented Pegg’s Australian Aboriginal findings first, using your logic you may have asked “How do you know that the person who designed the CD didn't have a fascination with Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories?”

While possibly relevant to alternative theories, that question (also in the ‘Christian’ and other forms) is just a red herring that side-tracks us from the investigation and evaluation of Pegg’s presented evidence.





Let me see if I understand your argument.

premise 1) You have a wide understanding of the stories found in ancient civilizations that span the globe.

premise 2) Unlike you, the people who researched, wrote, and edited a reference CD about ancient cultures could not possibly be aware of the stories found in these differing ancient cultures.

conclusion 1) Therefore the simplest, most logical explanation is that some unknown characters travelled back in time with both this reference CD and a computer between 15 and 100 (?) years out of date. These chrononauts then showed the CD's images to people whose writing would later become part of religion canon or popular mythology.

conclusion 2) These time travellers are responsible for not just the more imaginative imagery found in religions and mythology, but the very success of these religions.

conclusion 3) It is possible and desireable to go back in time and "undo" this damage in such a way that religion will no longer be one of the stongest influences in current and past societies. But this cleansing will not be completed until December 2012.

[Edy_P]

premise 2) Unlike you, the people who researched, wrote, and edited a reference CD about ancient cultures could not possibly be aware of the stories found in these differing ancient cultures.At a minimum you are twisting my words and making inferences that I have not made. I have not said anything about ‘the people who researched, wrote, and edited a reference CD” regarding whether they “could not possibly be aware of the stories found in these differing ancient cultures”.

Your premise 2 is off-track, irrelevant, and a red herring.


I was responding to your specific statements of “Did it ever occur to you that the person who drew that graphic design had read the Bible and decided to include the ‘wheels within wheels’ design because he thought it was interesting?” and “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by a very devoted Christian?” (who was influenced by Biblical imagery and prophecy).

You were inferring that because a Christian (who may have produced the cd-rom) may have had “a fascination with Bible prophecy”, he designed the ‘wheels within wheels’ motive on the Etruscan Atlas page based upon his perception of Ezekiel’s account.
This is a fair comment (and conclusion) – IF this was the ONLY instance in ancient texts where ‘wheels within a larger ring’ was described.
But it is not. In a different non-religious context the same series of ‘wheels within a larger ring’ is documented. I also cited many other examples where ancient cultures have described cd-rom imagery.

You seem to be overlooking the fact that this one image is just one picture in a sequence of many dozens of pictures from the Ancients cd-rom – that have been documented in various other ancient texts and accounts.

I pointed out that some people who come across single examples of Pegg’s work also make similar belief orientated statements based upon their own personal slant on life. It is the people viewing Pegg’s work to whom I refer, not the people who made the Ancients cd-rom.


conclusion 1) Therefore the simplest, most logical explanation is that some unknown characters travelled back in time with both this reference CD and a computer
The explanation is based upon all the presented evidence, not your personal ‘logic’ where you have only read a tiny fraction of Pegg’s work.

It has not been a simple task, as ancient bias and religious rhetoric have covered over the source of religious stories and legends.

The “unknown characters” as you call them are specifically documented in many ancient texts and were deemed to be Angels (in the religious sense) - one was given the name Gabriel. When a composite is derived from all accounts, it is seen that these ‘messengers’ who showed future images and told of future history to various ancient people had with them specific “books”. Even at a religious level, taking the Bible’s words at face value, these ‘angels’ were specific “time messengers” - as they were perceived as travelling through time (or taking the prophet through time). Pegg’s work shows that they were not of a divine nature.


conclusion 2) These time travellers are responsible for not just the more imaginative imagery found in religions and mythology, but the very success of these religions.The success of those religions were in spite of the warning messages given by the time travellers. It was the local religious priests who tried to make sure their new version of religion became the ‘one and only’.

The time travellers were not there to support any versions of religion.


RE: “conclusion 3)…But this (religious) cleansing will not be completed until December 2012.”
As previously stated by meThe Future section contains thoughts on how all this may have come about.” This also included the 21st December 2012 section too. Ronald Pegg mentioned this date as the possible ‘turn-off’ date of religions. I added his thoughts to my summary.


RE: “conclusion 3)…..a computer between 15 and 100 (?) years out of date”.

This is your assumption.
From our 2007 technological standpoint, the first mission to the moon that landed on its surface used archaic computers - yet they got to the moon and back. The computers did what they had to do – no more, no less.

The evidence documented in ancient texts as discovered by Pegg describes a 386PC desktop computer system. It was the minimum system required to run the cited and named cd-roms. It did what it was needed to do – no more, no less.


And again,
>“Isn't that explanation simpler and more realistic than time travellers taking archaric computers into the past simply to show CD-ROMs to Bible characters?”

No. The evidence shows what Pegg claims did occur.
Bible characters did not become ‘Bible characters’ until they told of their encounter with a time messenger and when later, some religious person deemed their story to be about GOD – and compiled similar stories into a ‘religious text’. Those messengers were deemed to be Angels (in the religious sense). The characters often went on to become Prophets (in the religious sense).

Ronald Pegg has taken away the religious slant and found a different non-divine source for the ancient stories, myths, and legends.
More presentations may be found in the “On-Line Resources” section of the Study Area of the WBD website. Follow the link from the 'Continue' page or type in the below address (adding the dots).

Link: www pphcstudygroup org au/studyarea/ …

[Ladewig]

RE: “conclusion 3)…..a computer between 15 and 100 (?) years out of date”.

This is your assumption.
From our 2007 technological standpoint, the first mission to the moon that landed on its surface used archaic computers - yet they got to the moon and back. The computers did what they had to do – no more, no less.

The evidence documented in ancient texts as discovered by Pegg describes a 386PC desktop computer system. It was the minimum system required to run the cited and named cd-roms. It did what it was needed to do – no more, no less.



If NASA decided to send astronauts to the moon tomorrow, they would not use the original 1970's computers despite those computers being the minimum system required for the task. Why would time travellers avoid taking an easily portable laptop with long-lasting batteries? Why would they choose an computer that is hard to carry and often unstable?


As for the rest of your stuff, I'm done. If anyone else wants to have a go at it, it's all yours.

[Edy_P]

>“Why would time travellers avoid taking an easily portable laptop with long-lasting batteries?”

I have previously answered a similar question…Extract:
At some time in the future, someone was going to notice that the images from a certain cd-rom that run on a certain computer match to the described imagery by nearly all the ancient prophets.

If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system.
As Pegg was using the same type of computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms.


I have thoughts that the first ‘back-step’ to ancient Mesopotamia may have been with a lap-top (as you suggest, for the reasons you give) but when return trips to correct the accidental formation of Religions were made, the same system (PC386) was employed for the reason given above.

In the 1800 American encounter with Smith Jnr. it is probable that a laptop was also employed.
Reasons:
1) An account in 1839 by Smith describes a laptop better than a desktop PC,
2) I can find no ‘computer parts’ as in a 386PC computer system documented by Smith,
3) The compact disks are described in the Introduction to the Book of Mormon, and a depiction of plastic cases is available,
4) Unlike the Moses account where he was given the disks to keep (and told to make a carry box), both the disks and computer were taken back by the ‘time messenger’.


>“Why would they choose an computer that is hard to carry and often unstable?”

This is only your opinion.
Again, I previously answered a similar question…Extract:
It was explained that Noah's Ark was a computer carry and storage box. The computer fitted into the smaller end, while the 200 x 50 x 30 cm end contains enough space for a series of batteries that would be able to power a computer.

The computer was the smallest (in physical size) available that would run the cited cd-roms. Its monitor the only one to fit in the wooden carry box. That particular carry box fits though a circular hoop of about 600mm.

It is currently proposed by one of our members that, like the stargate SG-1 idea, a ‘time gate’ is the interface for time travel. But unlike the large sci-fi gate, only a small 600mm aperture can be utilized. A person can still pass through this smaller sized ‘gate’.

But I have just now entered into speculation, which is side-tracking me from studying the evidence that is actually before us.

So, like you, I will leave it to others to read ALL of Pegg’s work, then get back to me personally.

[arthwollipot]

Wow. For some reason I'm getting Vonnegut flashbacks.
:hypnotize

[BlackKat]

Once again I just feel the need to point out that the vast majority of computer cases in no way visually identify the components that are inside, even when you can see inside. Thus this whole 386 argument is silly.

Look at the pictures in this gallery. You can not identify what processor was used on any of those pictures by looking at the computer case. Indeed some of those cases look not like a traditional computer at all. Nor does size matter.
http://gallery.pcapex.com/showgallery.php/cat/504

Please show us one example of an ancient picture of a computer or CD. Haven't seen one yet, even on your website.

[Edy_P]

>“…the vast majority of computer cases in no way visually identify the components that are inside, even when you can see inside.”

1). Yeah, but it is the monitor that had to be the smallest – not necessarily the case. It had to fit in a 28cm high space. The smallest monitor that I am aware that came from the mid 1990s and was able to run the pictures from the cited cd-roms was a 386PC. I had one myself – 36 x 28 x 38 (w x h x d).

2). On the point “visually identify the components that are inside”, Moses documents the contents of a desk-top computer system in Numbers 3:25-37.

These two points are fully explained in chapter 5 of the publication A New Understanding. (Link to E-Shop available via WBD website.)


>“You can not identify what processor was used on any of those pictures by looking at the computer case.”

For a mid 1990s PC 386, yes you can. The colour of the case is the identifying element. The first computers (distributed in Australia) utilized a yellowish brass coloured finish on the case and monitor. This was quite different to the white, grey, and blacks of later and contemporary computer cases and monitors.

Further, unlike many contemporary cd-rom trays that have either four raised bumps or just the hollow circular tray area to hold the compact disk in place, the yellowish mid 1990s cd-rom trays had three raised bumps on the hollow saddle.
In his Nostradamus work, Pegg discovered that Nostradamus, in his “brazen tripod” description, was describing these raised three bumps of the cd-rom tray.
As only some early/mid 1990s computers had three raised bumps AND yellowish cases, this identifies the era of the computer utilized by Nostradamus, and thus the computer type as PC 386.


>“Please show us one example of an ancient picture of a computer or CD. Haven't seen one yet, even on your website.”

Unfortunately, ancient people did not have cameras, so there are no pictures available to show you.
But ancient people were good at describing and depicting what they saw.
The contents (ie. the imagery) of at least three cd-roms are described by many ancient people in what were deemed to be religious texts. Examples of these are given on the WBD website.

Moses (for example*) describes a compact disk in a plastic case as ‘the dedication of the altar (cd-rom tray)’; in Numbers 7:85-86 as ‘The colourless plate is 130 mm. Each wide shallow container is 7 mm. The colourless container has two associated parts that are four sided. The edge thickness of the place of protection was 10 mm. The shimmering round disc was 120 mm’.

A four-sided plastic cd-case, (as also held by the Mormon witnesses without the black mounting base) unopened is 130mm wide and 10mm thick. When opened (the two associated parts) the right hand side (the shallow container) is 7mm thick. The compact disk (shimmering round disc) is 120mm wide. These are exact dimensions of a cd-case and size/description of a compact disk.

* Source: pp 142-145, Ancient Chronicles Unsealed, Ronald Pegg, 2003, PPHC.

PS. You must have missed the three examples provided on the second WBD website page.

The question of "Isn't the 1827 picture of Smith just showing a glass plate, and not a plastic CD container ?" is addressed on the ‘2001 FAQ page of the Reference Centre’ in the STUDY AREA.


>“…example of an ancient picture of a computer or CD. Haven't seen one yet, even on your website.”

Also, you apparently haven’t visited the five Hieroglyph pages from specific Egyptian investigations. (Access them via the Archives section in the STUDY AREA - Egyptian Gods link.)

[Cuddles]

For a mid 1990s PC 386, yes you can. The colour of the case is the identifying element. The first computers (distributed in Australia) utilized a yellowish brass coloured finish on the case and monitor. This was quite different to the white, grey, and blacks of later and contemporary computer cases and monitors.

Further, unlike many contemporary cd-rom trays that have either four raised bumps or just the hollow circular tray area to hold the compact disk in place, the yellowish mid 1990s cd-rom trays had three raised bumps on the hollow saddle.

Because obviously it's impossible to put different parts in a case, or to replace a CD drive. By your argument my computer is from 1999. However, if you look at the actual components rather than the case, no parts are more than 2 years old.

[Starthinker]

This reminds me of a problem I had in time traveling. I did the logical thing at first and got a loaded laptop and several DVDs to show the ancients our many wonders and to let them watch Shrek and Star Trek II but no matter what happened I found that the further back in time I went the more the computer would crash or not come on at all. After several years of serious experimentation I discovered that it was because in the past, the pace was slower. The Mhz, (and later the Ghz) which is the basic unit of measurment for a CPU, actually ran slower in the past. So, for instance, a Mhz in the year 352 BC was actually the same length of time as 26 Mhz today. In other words, the Mhz has been speeding up.

So what happens is that if I brought back a 2 Ghz (2000Mhz)P-IV in a laptop the modern speed and the ancient speed came into conflict, processes would get screwed up, and the computer would crash. On a whim one time I brought back an old 66 Mhz 486 and it ran like a 4 Ghz machine as far back as 600 AD. So, then I went with as old a one I could get, an 8086 running at a whopping 4 Mhz (with an 8087 math co-processor) and I'll be darned if it didn't run like the loaded laptop I started with. And those Hercules video cards are darn near indestructable and held up to the time traveling very well.

So, properly configured it does make sense to use an older machine when going back in time. The further back in time you go, the older processor you should use. I have data to back this up but since I compiled this data on a 286 back in the 1800's it would take several weeks to transfer it to the internet today.

It's true.

[BlackKat]

>“…the vast majority of computer cases in no way visually identify the components that are inside, even when you can see inside.”

1). Yeah, but it is the monitor that had to be the smallest – not necessarily the case. It had to fit in a 28cm high space. The smallest monitor that I am aware that came from the mid 1990s and was able to run the pictures from the cited cd-roms was a 386PC. I had one myself – 36 x 28 x 38 (w x h x d).

2). On the point “visually identify the components that are inside”, Moses documents the contents of a desk-top computer system in Numbers 3:25-37.

These two points are fully explained in chapter 5 of the publication A New Understanding. (Link to E-Shop available via WBD website.)


>“You can not identify what processor was used on any of those pictures by looking at the computer case.”

For a mid 1990s PC 386, yes you can. The colour of the case is the identifying element. The first computers (distributed in Australia) utilized a yellowish brass coloured finish on the case and monitor. This was quite different to the white, grey, and blacks of later and contemporary computer cases and monitors.

Further, unlike many contemporary cd-rom trays that have either four raised bumps or just the hollow circular tray area to hold the compact disk in place, the yellowish mid 1990s cd-rom trays had three raised bumps on the hollow saddle.
In his Nostradamus work, Pegg discovered that Nostradamus, in his “brazen tripod” description, was describing these raised three bumps of the cd-rom tray.
As only some early/mid 1990s computers had three raised bumps AND yellowish cases, this identifies the era of the computer utilized by Nostradamus, and thus the computer type as PC 386.


>“Please show us one example of an ancient picture of a computer or CD. Haven't seen one yet, even on your website.”

Unfortunately, ancient people did not have cameras, so there are no pictures available to show you.
But ancient people were good at describing and depicting what they saw.
The contents (ie. the imagery) of at least three cd-roms are described by many ancient people in what were deemed to be religious texts. Examples of these are given on the WBD website.

Moses (for example*) describes a compact disk in a plastic case as ‘the dedication of the altar (cd-rom tray)’; in Numbers 7:85-86 as ‘The colourless plate is 130 mm. Each wide shallow container is 7 mm. The colourless container has two associated parts that are four sided. The edge thickness of the place of protection was 10 mm. The shimmering round disc was 120 mm’.

A four-sided plastic cd-case, (as also held by the Mormon witnesses without the black mounting base) unopened is 130mm wide and 10mm thick. When opened (the two associated parts) the right hand side (the shallow container) is 7mm thick. The compact disk (shimmering round disc) is 120mm wide. These are exact dimensions of a cd-case and size/description of a compact disk.

* Source: pp 142-145, Ancient Chronicles Unsealed, Ronald Pegg, 2003, PPHC.

PS. You must have missed the three examples provided on the second WBD website page.

The question of "Isn't the 1827 picture of Smith just showing a glass plate, and not a plastic CD container ?" is addressed on the ‘2001 FAQ page of the Reference Centre’ in the STUDY AREA.


>“…example of an ancient picture of a computer or CD. Haven't seen one yet, even on your website.”

Also, you apparently haven’t visited the five Hieroglyph pages from specific Egyptian investigations. (Access them via the Archives section in the STUDY AREA - Egyptian Gods link.)

Once again you show a complete disregard for computers (not to mention sciences, most specifically linguistics and archeology).

In the 1990s (as with today) while flat panel screens were not as readily available yet, you could purchase CRT monitors in screen sizes ranging from 5" to 27", with the most common being 12"-19". This is STILL true today, although finding ones under 14" or over 21" is harder because people (just as they did in 1990) like big screens even if they're just using MSWord. And they like flat screens now.

AGAIN, the monitor has nothing to do with the computer. It is a completely separate component and is purchased completely separately from any other part of the computer unless you like packaged crap like Packard Bells or Dells. The only computers to include the monitor in the chassis as one piece completely predate the 1990s, i.e. 1st Macs, Compaqs, TRS-80.

AGAIN, the color has nothing to do with the computer. Cases were originally primarily a white/beige because they wanted them to match other office equipment like copiers. But by the 1990s you could find computer cases in the following colors: White, Beige, Tan, Black, Silver. By the late 1990s you could also find them in: Blue, Red, Yellow, Green, Purple, Orange, Transparent (clear or various hues), and aluminum unpainted. The color is completely up to the person who put the computer together (company or individual). And this is all presuming it is used as is, and not custom painted.

The color of the CD tray is typically just whatever the color of the CD drive's front bezel is. If you have a CD you bought with a black bezel, it will have a black tray, if it is beige the tray is beige, if it is red the tray is red. Never seen any "raised bumps" on a CD tray. Pics? Anyhow it's a complete linguistic stretch to call that a tripod. This is a tripod.
http://www.eaas.co.uk/images/strathspey_25X100/image004.jpg
Tri=Three Pod=Leg Bumps!=Leg

And the only source you've cited so far is the nutter Ronald Pegg.
Might as well say "The Bible says..." (which is actually a better source)
Can you indicate to us some known archaeologists or historians who provide corroborating evidence? Because the schizos who think certain hieroglyphics are airplanes and flying saucers are about as close as I could find to your/Pegg's myths.

Pegg saying Mormon tablets (which never existed in the first place) being the same size as a CD or CD case means absolutely nothing if he is the only one saying this and even the Mormons are not providing those kinds of dimensions.

[Cuddles]

This is a tripod.
http://www.eaas.co.uk/images/strathspey_25X100/image004.jpg

No, this is a tripod:
http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/war-of-the-worlds-tripod.jpg