Basic Scientology Brainwashing Techniques (video)

[EGarrett]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-799954787514590907&q=scientology&total=2722&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

Do Birds Fly?

[Miss Anthrope]

It's informative, but so poorly done it's hard to pay that much attention to it.

[JoeEllison]

They don't really make a point, do they? Yes, we know that Scientologists are creepy, but it would have helped to explain the psychology behind their techniques.

[Miss Anthrope]

They don't really make a point, do they? Yes, we know that Scientologists are creepy, but it would have helped to explain the psychology behind their techniques.

Yes! Instead it was like they were doing impressions of scientologists with aboslutely no sense of humor.

[JoeEllison]

Yes! Instead it was like they were doing impressions of scientologists with aboslutely no sense of humor.

...except for the giggling, of course. If they had shown a clip of actual Scientologists and how they interact with critics, it would have been more useful.

[Susan Gerbic]

That was extremely interesting, and also very boring to watch. Can it be both?

Imagine what it must be like to get through even the first two TR's. Can the person quit when they want to? And when they say they stay there for days sometimes, do they literally stay in that spot for days?

Hubbard was one sick man.

Susan

[777]

I think this is basically overpriced, manipulative, and nonfunctional psychology sessions.

[EGarrett]

They don't really make a point, do they? Yes, we know that Scientologists are creepy, but it would have helped to explain the psychology behind their techniques.Read between the lines.

What do these exercises teach you?

1. To not move a single muscle unless scientology tells you to.
2. To learn to ignore criticism and challenges of all types in favor of asking what you've been told to ask over and over.
3. And this is a big one...to learn to repeat pre-written text as though it was your own thought.

Watch the exercises again.

[JoeEllison]

Read between the lines.

What do these exercises teach you?

1. To not move a single muscle unless scientology tells you to.
2. To learn to ignore criticism and challenges of all types in favor of asking what you've been told to ask over and over.
3. And this is a big one...to learn to repeat pre-written text as though it was your own thought.

Watch the exercises again.Hey, I get it, and so did you... because we both knew beforehand that brainwashing techniques act in a certain way. This video doesn't inform, unless you already have a basic knowledge of brainwashing.

[EGarrett]

Hey, I get it, and so did you... because we both knew beforehand that brainwashing techniques act in a certain way. This video doesn't inform, unless you already have a basic knowledge of brainwashing.It still shows you a lot about scientology and how they indoctrinate people. In this video, they just show you exactly what the exercises are and leave you to figure out the purpose behind them. I didn't consider that boring at all.

[JoeEllison]

It still shows you a lot about scientology and how they indoctrinate people. In this video, they just show you exactly what the exercises are and leave you to figure out the purpose behind them. I didn't consider that boring at all.

Yeah, because you are pretty "in the know"...

I just wonder how useful this would be for someone who isn't as knowledgeable as we are?

[EGarrett]

Yeah, because you are pretty "in the know"...

I just wonder how useful this would be for someone who isn't as knowledgeable as we are?I think any normal person outside of the mindtrap of scientology would recognize how bizarre and manipulative these "helpful exercises" are.

Note, that doesn't mean that they'd necessarily find the video interesting, but if they wanted to figure out exactly what the purpose was behind these strange activities, they could pick up a lot just by watching.

[JoeEllison]

I think any normal person outside of the mindtrap of scientology would recognize how bizarre and manipulative these "helpful exercises" are.

Note, that doesn't mean that they'd necessarily find the video interesting, but if they wanted to figure out exactly what the purpose was behind these strange activities, they could pick up a lot just by watching."Bizarre"? Absolutely.

"Manipulative"? I'm not so sure.

[EGarrett]

"Bizarre"? Absolutely.

"Manipulative"? I'm not so sure.Web definitions for manipulative
skillful in influencing or controlling others to your own advantage; (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=TSHB,TSHB:2006-48,TSHB:en&q=define+manipulative)

[Kilgore Trout]

It's a bit hard to watch, sure, but I think the purpose is to understand what someone has gone through, say, a loved one that has become a Scientologist. Probably with a small budget, they can't afford to do some kind of PBS/Nova-like documentary, but just wanted to get the information out and I think seeing it, as opposed just reading about it, has a bigger impact too.

It also just sort of stands on its own to show just what kind of jacknuts Scientologists are. It seems like that sort of "training" could give a Scientologist the ability to just totally tune out, if need be (or maybe without need). They mentioned people of Clearwater noticing peculiarities about Scientologists' expressions, and going through hours/days of that crap seems like it could certainly cause someone to blink out.

[juniper_ann]

At what point does this training begin? What are trainees told about the motivations for the training? This seems like "hard-sell proselytizing 101" meets "Now you will tell me where the resistance is!"

Most people don't join religions because they want to become proselytizers. Instead, once they are already convinced, they just can't help but want to spread the Truth. Also, this training seems very uncomfortable. Furthermore, it would seem that "we have mind tricks for proselytizing" would be somewhere in the super-secret documents.

So at what point does a Scientology acolyte agree to this training, and what have they undergone beforehand that would make them willing to endure this?

[EGarrett]

At what point does this training begin? What are trainees told about the motivations for the training? This seems like "hard-sell proselytizing 101" meets "Now you will tell me where the resistance is!"

Most people don't join religions because they want to become proselytizers. Instead, once they are already convinced, they just can't help but want to spread the Truth. Also, this training seems very uncomfortable. Furthermore, it would seem that "we have mind tricks for proselytizing" would be somewhere in the super-secret documents.

So at what point does a Scientology acolyte agree to this training, and what have they undergone beforehand that would make them willing to endure this?Well, they indicate in the video that there is a specific reason/excuse given for doing each of these exercises, that they have de-emphasized.

For example, the "question over and over despite attempts to distract you" exercise is supposed to be done to help you become a better auditor. The fact that it trains you to ignore things you don't want to hear in favor of repeating your own points is just a little side-bonus for them, I guess.

[negativ]

If you're interested enough in the disturbing world of Scientology to wade through miles of unadulterated crazy, you might "enjoy" the following:

The Road to Xenu (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/xenu/)

and

Understanding Scientology (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us.html)