Majority side with truth movement? B.S.

[cloudshipsrule]

Not in my world. I polled the guys and girls I work with as to their knowledge and belief in the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11.

Not A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL believed in any conspiracy theory, and nearly 75% had never even heard of any of these idiotic theories.

So, do the majority of American's believe the truth conspiracy nonsense? Thankfully not in my small part of the world.

I questioned 28 individuals.

Anyone else conduct a similar poll?


(To note: I work in a fairly high-paying field where the level of education is primarily post-graduate. I'm upper-middle class, as are most of my coworkers. Perhaps this majority is comprised of a certain class of citizen?)

[Mooseman]

I meet few who have heard of this stuff also.

[nicepants]

I've only met one twoofer in person, and I didn't even realize it until I looked at the "Deception Dollar" that he'd handed us. (I was thinking it was Religious literature)

Had I known what it was initially, I would have started with the questions. Hopefully I will see him again....should be very entertaining.

[Belz...]

I thought 183% of the world believed it was an inside job ?

[Mobyseven]

Sounds like a rigourous scientific poll you conducted there. :p

FWIW - I live with a lot of undergraduate university students, and ain't none of 'em yet been a truther!

[alexg]

I have talked with many friends about it since I became interested. So far I have yet to encounter a single truther. At first most were only dimly aware of the CT but now they all seem to know something about it and start right in debunking it themselves. But then of course I don't socialize with anti-social 15 year olds, not since my kid grew up anyway [biggrin]

[Sabrina]

Only person I've met who comes close is my sister, and that's just because she happened to watch Loose Change, but I think I steered her in the right direction. No one else I've talked to about it has thought there was a single grain of truth in the majority of the CTs.

[Alferd_Packer]

I had a subcontractor employee who was an info wars fan. He had the bumper sticker on his truck and everything.

A nice enough guy, I never found out whether he believed it or was just into it for the entertainment value.

[TheDoLittle]

The South Park/9-11 show was an oft quoted episode around here when it first aired, but I think that was more to do with the The Hardley Boys "Retarded" quote.

[Drudgewire]

I'm in an office with 13 other people, and mentioned last night's show to every one of them. The repsonses ranged from "man, some people are crazy" to "wait, people really think there's a conspiracy about 9/11?"

[Arus808]

I polled my company of about 100+ who have US citizenship and are on visas to work in this country (non-US citizens).. how many believe that 911 was perpetuated by our govt?

0

[HyJinX]

I polled my company

whore. :D

[Viper Daimao]

those are all nice, but it's no bus full of people poll :rolleyes:

I have a friend from high school and college who believes in that stuff. At least from what I've gathered from his aim away messages and facebook posted items. I've kinda stopped talking to him since then. He's never mentioned anything about it to me yet, though I've tried to bait him with an alex jones sucks away message :D

[funk de fino]

I know one guy personally who is a truther, not friends with him but met him a few times. Funnily enough he is a racist and a bigot as well. Another lad who posts on a site I go on for music is also a truther. They both started posting stuff on the music site about 911 and even though I knew little at this point it was obvious they were thick as mince. They continued to contradict each other and themselves until finally the board owner shut the post down.

Not one other member gave them any support and everyone said they believed my posts. One of them actually had the gall to call me a coward for being a gulf war vet.

Apart from that, I do not know any who even have a clue that there are such sickos in the world. No doubt I will meet a few more next month in NY

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

I work with a self-avowed "radical libertarian" who thinks that the official story about Kennedy is hiding "the truth" and that Elvis is still alive (seriously... we thought he was kidding)

But even he says that the Moon Landing and 9/11 CTs are bunk.

[TheDoLittle]

I work with a self-avowed "radical libertarian" who thinks that the official story about Kennedy is hiding "the truth" and that Elvis is still alive (seriously... we thought he was kidding).

He firmly believes "Bubba Ho-Tep" is a documentary?! 8-)

[Viper Daimao]

He firmly believes "Bubba Ho-Tep" is a documentary?! 8-)

Groovy!

[Drudgewire]

Damned excellent movie, however.

[Myron Proudfoot]

I polled a small group of friends, all politically aware, educated, middle-class professionals. Only 1 had even heard of the "theories" before and he thought they were insane. One friend accused me of making this stuff up!

And sorry tinfoilers, not one "Bush Lover" in the group.


(First post, long time lurker)

[T.A.M.]

Welcome to the forum Myron.

Similarly I have asked many of my friends and colleagues. Most times I get a strange look, then a shaking of the head...

TAM:)

[Yaters]

This is slightly off topic, although I can say that I brought up the topic of 9/11 conspiracies in my sketch comedy show's writers meeting last year around that time and everyone had a good laugh. The show's producer was dating a girl at the time whose uncle worked in the Pentagon, and he said the guy witnessed the plane hitting the Pentagon.

Also, the other night I went to a Groundlings show in LA, and part of the Improv set was two guys who witnessed a crime. Their crime? Charlie Sheen jaywalking. The performers played two hicks in town who witnessed it. One says, "He had a 9/11 was an inside job banner on his behind, (hick laughter)". I got a big laugh out of that, as did the audience.

[Jonnyclueless]

"9/11 what?"

- McCain in response to 9/11 truth hecklers identifying themselves.

[NYCEMT86]

"9/11 what?"

- McCain in response to 9/11 truth hecklers identifying themselves.

McCain just summed up the whole truth movement in two words haha :D

[ZENSMACK89]

Not in my world. I polled the guys and girls I work with as to their knowledge and belief in the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11.

Not A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL believed in any conspiracy theory, and nearly 75% had never even heard of any of these idiotic theories.

So, do the majority of American's believe the truth conspiracy nonsense? Thankfully not in my small part of the world.

I questioned 28 individuals.

Anyone else conduct a similar poll?


(To note: I work in a fairly high-paying field where the level of education is primarily post-graduate. I'm upper-middle class, as are most of my coworkers. Perhaps this majority is comprised of a certain class of citizen?)
Yeah but you work at Popular Mechanics.

[ZENSMACK89]

McCain just summed up the whole truth movement in two words haha :D
Yeah then he summed up some other things...

"My campaign what?"

[cloudshipsrule]

"Yeah, and I'd have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids."

[Jonnyclueless]

And the Woo will set you fwee!

[NYCEMT86]

Yeah then he summed up some other things...

"My campaign what?"


......yeah..........*cricket cricket*......you're a funny man zen.....but you might just want to hold onto that day job :D

[OldSchool]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/08/opinion/main2242387.shtml

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cnn_poll2.htm

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=12137

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Less_than_half_of_Americans_satisfied_0523.html

Note these polls were conducted traditionally and not online polls.

Basically this is another attempt by "Virgins of Truth" to claim they're the majority while in fact this is far from the truth. I am expecting the typical response suggesting the polls aren't accurate even though they're done by institutions with a longtime reputation for accurate polling.

[TheRedWorm]

Ok, so X% of people believe it was an inside job. Now what?

[OldSchool]

I polled a small group of friends, all politically aware, educated, middle-class professionals. Only 1 had even heard of the "theories" before and he thought they were insane. One friend accused me of making this stuff up!

And sorry tinfoilers, not one "Bush Lover" in the group.


(First post, long time lurker)

Obviously a first hand example of how media/government propaganda works. I agree there are many out there who haven't even given 911 a second thought. The first few years after the 9/11 attacks I never gave it a thought, and accepted the media's account of 9/11 to be the only possibility. As I look back on myself then compared to now I was living within a "Sociological Bubble". The American Dream serves many purposes and adapts through out our lifetimes. This ever changing reality represents a form of subliminal control. Even the most educated within the field of Sociology and Psychology are not immune to social constructs. I wish you the best trying to understand what I've just said here.

[Jonnyclueless]

So the majority of people support the 9/11 truth movement, yet the majority of people have never heard of it. That makes sense. it would also explain why the movement that is by far the most popular without question has only gotten 18 people to make donations.

Oldschool. If the truth movement is so popular, why do you suppose no one is giving donations? Even the flat earth society doesn't have that much trouble.

[OldSchool]

So the majority of people support the 9/11 truth movement, yet the majority of people have never heard of it. That makes sense. it would also explain why the movement that is by far the most popular without question has only gotten 18 people to make donations.

Oldschool. If the truth movement is so popular, why do you suppose no one is giving donations? Even the flat earth society doesn't have that much trouble.

What exactly does money have to do with opinion. Majority of voters do not contribute to there parties political campaigns. Majority of the funding comes from the 1% of the upper class. You're not going to find this 1% of stereotyped Illuminati financing such a movement. The only thing I've donated to was for an Impeach Dick Cheney cap.

Once again I'm just proving the title of this article is a lie and money doesn't change the fact the Majority of Americans, whether involved directly or not, don't believe the media, government, or NIST account of 911.

[Myron Proudfoot]

Obviously a first hand example of how media/government propaganda works.

Just keep telling yourself that. The simple fact remains that the 9-11 twoofers have never provided a single piece of evidence that has held up to examination.

And since one of our mutual friends actually SAW the plane hit the Pentagon (he worked in the area and no, he's not a government worker) we were all predisposed to think the no-planers are fools/liars.

[TheRedWorm]

Welcome to the forum, Mr. Proudfoot!

[T.A.M.]

1st poll you have just linked is not a CBSNEWS POLL, it is an article about the results of the July Scripps Poll...so we will go get the results, the BREAK DOWN of that poll. Here is the quote from the link you gave us...


According to a July poll conducted by Scripps News Service, one-third of Americans think the government either carried out the 9/11 attacks or intentionally allowed them to happen in order to provide a pretext for war

Here is the question from the poll, and the results...


here are also accusations being made following the 9/11 terrorist attack. One of these is:
People in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted to United States to go to war in the Middle East.*

Very likely 16%
Somewhat likely 20%
Not likely 59%
Don't know 5%


*This question had 992 respondents; it was part of a survey posted on newsPolls.org on July 6, 2006.

http://www.newspolls.org/question.php?question_id=716

So nearly 60% feel its not likely. Only 16% feel it is very likely (truthers angle).

Shall we tackle your next link Oldschool?

TAM:)

[OldSchool]

So the majority of people support the 9/11 truth movement, yet the majority of people have never heard of it. That makes sense. it would also explain why the movement that is by far the most popular without question has only gotten 18 people to make donations.

Oldschool. If the truth movement is so popular, why do you suppose no one is giving donations? Even the flat earth society doesn't have that much trouble.

Where exactly did I say the majority hasn't heard of possible 911 conspiracy? Actually the polls reflect most believe otherwise. What I did say is there is quite a few out there who haven't even given it a second thought. As of up till 2004 I personally hadn't given it a 2nd thought. Propaganda is a very powerful tool and often underestimated by the average person.

[OldSchool]

1st poll you have just linked is not a CBSNEWS POLL, it is an article about the results of the July Scripps Poll...so we will go get the results, the BREAK DOWN of that poll. Here is the quote from the link you gave us...



Here is the question from the poll, and the results...



http://www.newspolls.org/question.php?question_id=716

So nearly 60% feel its not likely. Only 16% feel it is very likely (truthers angle).

Shall we tackle your next link Oldschool?

TAM:)

I linked it because I was giving all the polls I had found not just what served to support my findings. You'll find it is the only poll which doesn't have the Truth movement in the Majority. When displaying polls I'm not afraid to list polls which aren't above 50%. 36% represents enough Americans to make me feel loved.

[TheRedWorm]

Mr. Oldschool, I posted this question before, and I would greatly appreciate an answer: Ok, so X% of people believe it was an inside job. Now what? If you do not want to speculate, that is fine too.

[T.A.M.]

Your second link is another online poll...I thought you said your new list were from traditional polling methods? You LIED!!!!!!

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

your third link is another news article referring to the same JULY 2006 SCRIPPS POLL...

thats zero for 3.

TAM:)

[Blackwell]

1st poll you have just linked is not a CBSNEWS POLL, it is an article about the results of the July Scripps Poll...so we will go get the results, the BREAK DOWN of that poll. Here is the quote from the link you gave us...



Here is the question from the poll, and the results...



http://www.newspolls.org/question.php?question_id=716

So nearly 60% feel its not likely. Only 16% feel it is very likely (truthers angle).

Shall we tackle your next link Oldschool?

TAM:)

And also from that CBS link (my bolding):
According to a July poll conducted by Scripps News Service, one-third of Americans think the government either carried out the 9/11 attacks or intentionally allowed them to happen in order to provide a pretext for war in the Middle East. This is at once alarming and unsurprising. Alarming, because if tens of millions of Americans really believe their government was complicit in the murder of 3,000 of their fellow citizens, they seem remarkably sanguine about this fact. By and large, life continues as before, even though tens of millions of people apparently believe they are being governed by mass murderers.
Why aren't you and the millions out there doing something about it, OldSchool? I mean, aside from passing around links to youtube videos and smoking out, of course.

[LashL]

Like others who have posted upthread, I have mentioned the existence of 9/11 conspiracy theories to numerous friends, colleagues, and family members. The vast majority had never heard of the existence of the conspiracy theories until I told them, and of the remainder, not a single one of them gave any credence to the conspiracy theories or the fantasists who promulgate them.

[OldSchool]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/08/opinion/main2242387.shtml

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cnn_poll2.htm

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=12137

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Less_than_half_of_Americans_satisfied_0523.html

Note these polls were conducted traditionally and not online polls.

Basically this is another attempt by "Virgins of Truth" to claim they're the majority while in fact this is far from the truth. I am expecting the typical response suggesting the polls aren't accurate even though they're done by institutions with a longtime reputation for accurate polling.

Not bad, out of 5 reputable polling sources, only 1 has truther's in the minority at 36%. On the other hand the most extreme has the truthers at 90%. I'll take those numbers any day of the week,same as any Presidential candidate.

[T.A.M.]

Your 4th link is to the Zogby poll, which has been discussed here over and over again...it was taken on the eve of the 2004 REP convention in SUPER DEMOCRATIC NYC.

It states...


On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.

TAM:)

[SezMe]

Obviously a first hand example of how media/government propaganda works. I agree there are many out there who haven't even given 911 a second thought. The first few years after the 9/11 attacks I never gave it a thought, and accepted the media's account of 9/11 to be the only possibility. As I look back on myself then compared to now I was living within a "Sociological Bubble". The American Dream serves many purposes and adapts through out our lifetimes. This ever changing reality represents a form of subliminal control. Even the most educated within the field of Sociology and Psychology are not immune to social constructs. I wish you the best trying to understand what I've just said here.
Thanks. I had to really work at it but finally decided you lived in the reality-based community for a couple of years but, inexplicably, you then drifted off into La-La Land.

How'd I do?

[T.A.M.]

Not bad, out of 5 reputable polling sources, only 1 has truther's in the minority at 36%. On the other hand the most extreme has the truthers at 90%. I'll take those numbers any day of the week,same as any Presidential candidate.

are you dense??? this is a legitimate question. I have just shown you that links #1 and #3 point to the same poll, which has truthers in the minority (16% feel it very likely). Link #2 is a quote of an ONLINE POLL. You state all of your links were to polls that used TRADITIONAL POLLING TECHNIQUES, you said, NOT ONLINE POLLS.

TAM:eek:

[OldSchool]

Just keep telling yourself that. The simple fact remains that the 9-11 twoofers have never provided a single piece of evidence that has held up to examination.

And since one of our mutual friends actually SAW the plane hit the Pentagon (he worked in the area and no, he's not a government worker) we were all predisposed to think the no-planers are fools/liars.

If 911 wasn't covered up, explain why Mayor Rudolph Juliani prevented the FBI from conducting a traditional investigation and had all possible evidence recycled following the attacks.

I look forward to Rudolph Juliani answering this question during a Presidential debate.

[T.A.M.]

Link #5 is to the same ZOGBY POLL!!!!!

You are a dishonest person OldSchool....

Your 5 links are to 3 polls, not 5. One of the polls, linked to twice, has the truther view at between 16-36% depending on how hardcore they are. The 2nd poll is a CNN ONLINE POLL, so you lied about all the polls using TRADITIONAL (NOT ONLINE) POLLING METHODS.

The other poll, linked to twice is the sam ZOGBY POLL!!!!!

TAM

[OldSchool]

are you dense??? this is a legitimate question. I have just shown you that links #1 and #3 point to the same poll, which has truthers in the minority (16% feel it very likely). Link #2 is a quote of an ONLINE POLL. You state all of your links were to polls that used TRADITIONAL POLLING TECHNIQUES, you said, NOT ONLINE POLLS.

TAM:eek:

The quote which you're taking is 1/3 feel the government assisted. Relating to the governments account for cause and or cover-up numbers are much higher.

In a news report published this week, co-authors Thomas Hargrove of the Scripps Howard News Service and Guido H. Stempel III, director of the Scripps Survey Research Center at Ohio University, presented results of a poll that found more than one-third of the American public “suspects that federal officials assisted in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East.”

This is the same type of polling differential which you see when discussing George Bush. His approval rating has reached 29% while impeachment is still only 53%. Must look at the difference of the questions being asked within a poll. When Richard Nixon resigned from office Impeachment polls weren't above 50%.

[Jonnyclueless]

Where exactly did I say the majority hasn't heard of possible 911 conspiracy? Actually the polls reflect most believe otherwise. What I did say is there is quite a few out there who haven't even given it a second thought. As of up till 2004 I personally hadn't given it a 2nd thought. Propaganda is a very powerful tool and often underestimated by the average person.


I didn't say you said it. It's pretty apparent that most people have never even heard of these movements or these theories.

And again, if it's as widely known as you claim, then why is it that Loose Change which is by far the most popular can't even get more than 18 people to make donations?



You don't suppose it could have anything to do with people being able to enter these online polls as often as they want and all the twoofers hoarding onto them all now could it? It couldn't have anything to do with troofers taking the pole results out of context ( as in taking the meaning of 'not being 100% honest" as meaning they support conspiracy theories.

So please explain this to us. I can't even find anyone outside of the internet that is even very aware of these conspiracies. I think I had one client who did and also tried to tell me that JFK was shot by his driver. Imagine trying not to laugh out loud after hearing that?

In the famous words of McCain "9/11 What?"

[Myron Proudfoot]

well, all the "evidence" was NOT recycled. The remains of WTC were gone through piece by small piece. Will all your posts have such errors? If so I'll let the more experienced members here handle you. So far you haven't said anything I have not seen debunked a thousand times already on the DU and other boards.

see the 911myths site under "obstructing justice." (sorry, I'm too new here to be allowed to post links.)

[hellaeon]

I would say 1 out of 50 odd people I either socialize or have socialized with in the recent years would believe it.

One is an older guy who runs the rooms where my bands jam but he also thinks you cant make it in western classical music circles or become a standup comedian unless your jewish. His proof? the way the wtc tower fell 'looks' suspicious. He really distrusts authority.

Another is the misses brother who is not right into it at all but I could conceive given a full audience to it he would buy it.

The other was a complete idiot at a party who scoffed when I talked about the moon landings. He said it was fake and proceded to make a complete idiot of himself. The best laugh was when he said the astronauts went to the moon but never stepped off the ship but still put the reflectors on the surface.

I have never heard that twist on the fake moon landings.

I summize there is an obvious level of distrust amongst truthers of authority, but from my experience, they are also incapable of the true meaning of education - to learn. I guess the phrase could be 'smart but not wise'.

Cheers

[OldSchool]

Thanks. I had to really work at it but finally decided you lived in the reality-based community for a couple of years but, inexplicably, you then drifted off into La-La Land.

How'd I do?

Whenever I see somebody with Illumonator below there name I tend not to even bother responding. However your response shows your lack of education. I'd suggest taking College level Sociology and Psychology courses and then possibly we can have a discussion. Sociology is a very interesting field and study on a large scale is extremely new.

[Jonnyclueless]

The quote which you're taking is 1/3 feel the government assisted. Relating to the governments account for cause and or cover-up numbers are much higher.

In a news report published this week, co-authors Thomas Hargrove of the Scripps Howard News Service and Guido H. Stempel III, director of the Scripps Survey Research Center at Ohio University, presented results of a poll that found more than one-third of the American public “suspects that federal officials assisted in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East.”

This is the same type of polling differential which you see when discussing George Bush. His approval rating has reached 29% while impeachment is still only 53%. Must look at the difference of the questions being asked within a poll. When Richard Nixon resigned from office Impeachment polls weren't above 50%.


A better look shows its really more like 16% for bombing the WTC. 12% for the Pentagon.

But the real key is how they went about the survey. They presented people with some conspiracy theories and asked if they thought it was possible. They didn't ask if they thought that's what happened, they simply asked if they thought it was possible. That's a major difference.

using these polls as proof is really wishful thinking. If we went out on the streets right now and asked every person who was familiar with loose change, I would be willing to bet that it would be very hard to find people who have even heard of it.

[T.A.M.]

The quote which you're taking is 1/3 feel the government assisted. Relating to the governments account for cause and or cover-up numbers are much higher.

In a news report published this week, co-authors Thomas Hargrove of the Scripps Howard News Service and Guido H. Stempel III, director of the Scripps Survey Research Center at Ohio University, presented results of a poll that found more than one-third of the American public “suspects that federal officials assisted in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East.”

This is the same type of polling differential which you see when discussing George Bush. His approval rating has reached 29% while impeachment is still only 53%. Must look at the difference of the questions being asked within a poll. When Richard Nixon resigned from office Impeachment polls weren't above 50%.

ABSOLUTE CRAP!!!

The poll data is the poll data...you can spin it what ever way you like. It CLEARLY STATES...

16% feel it was VERY LIKELY, 20% Feel it was SOMEWHAT LIKELY.

HOW does that translate to the truthers view being in the MAJORITY...are you blind, naive, or just baiting us, because an intelligent man, even a truther, should be able to understand what the poll says...

and what about your claim that your links were to polls that used TRADITIONAL POLLING METHODS, not ONLINE POLLS? How do you explain your second link, which links to an article that quotes CNN ONLINE POLL!!!

TAM:)

[hellaeon]

Old School, with respect, your wrong about the evidence being carted away. Its just a matter of digging deeper then you already have.

please take time to look over this link:

http://www.911myths.com/html/recycled_steel.html

It talks about the issue you mention and also provides some links for further reading

Cheers

[OldSchool]

I didn't say you said it. It's pretty apparent that most people have never even heard of these movements or these theories.

And again, if it's as widely known as you claim, then why is it that Loose Change which is by far the most popular can't even get more than 18 people to make donations?



You don't suppose it could have anything to do with people being able to enter these online polls as often as they want and all the twoofers hoarding onto them all now could it? It couldn't have anything to do with troofers taking the pole results out of context ( as in taking the meaning of 'not being 100% honest" as meaning they support conspiracy theories.

So please explain this to us. I can't even find anyone outside of the internet that is even very aware of these conspiracies. I think I had one client who did and also tried to tell me that JFK was shot by his driver. Imagine trying not to laugh out loud after hearing that?

In the famous words of McCain "9/11 What?"

John McCain the last I'd checked running last place under 10% support.

[OldSchool]

Old School, with respect, your wrong about the evidence being carted away. Its just a matter of digging deeper then you already have.

please take time to look over this link:

http://www.911myths.com/html/recycled_steel.html

It talks about the issue you mention and also provides some links for further reading

Cheers


Great link to a disinformation web sight. Hold about as much credibility as Prison Planet. I tend to avoid linking Prison Planet to support theories.

[A W Smith]

on polls
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.


http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/040216/16eezogby.htm
Zogby admits that some of his methods are unorthodox
Zogby, 55, did not start off to be a pollster. He grew up in a Lebanese-American family in gritty Utica, N.Y. He taught history and political science at area colleges and was, in his words, "a left-wing political activist."

drive agenda much?

[OldSchool]

on polls
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855


http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/040216/16eezogby.htm



drive agenda much?

Zogby admits that some of his methods are unorthodox. But his numbers have sometimes been far closer to election results than other pollsters', as when he showed the surge toward Al Gore in the last three days of the 2000 presidential campaign.

[T.A.M.]

Great link to a disinformation web sight. Hold about as much credibility as Prison Planet. I tend to avoid linking Prison Planet to support theories.

infowars.com is the second link in your list of "evidence". How is infowars.com more valid than prisonplanet?????????????????????????????????????

TAM:)

[SezMe]

Whenever I see somebody with Illumonator below there name I tend not to even bother responding.
That's the default for people with the number of posts that I have. I had nothing to do with it.

[JimBenArm]

That's the default for people with the number of posts that I have. I had nothing to do with it.
Aw, let him have his delusions! It's all he has left!

[Jonnyclueless]

Great link to a disinformation web sight. Hold about as much credibility as Prison Planet. I tend to avoid linking Prison Planet to support theories.

Oh no! Facts! Run away run away!

Add to those facts that the lead researcher even said outright on the History Channel that they were there, they had their hands on the steel and investigated it.

"9/11 What?"

[beachnut]

Whenever I see somebody with Illumonator below there name I tend not to even bother responding. However your response shows your lack of education. I'd suggest taking College level Sociology and Psychology courses and then possibly we can have a discussion. Sociology is a very interesting field and study on a large scale is extremely new.
Hundreds of people, not one CTer in the bunch. Only idiots are in the 9/11 truth movement. Not one teacher in the district. Not one airline pilot I worked with over the past 9 years, they all think truthers are nut cases. And not one person at the base I worked with believe in the lies of 9/11 truth. They think truthers are disrespectful and stupid.

Most are not really interested in what they call nut cases and stupid people who make up and follow liars. I can not find anyone who believes in 9/11 truth. Seems like the polls must of missed the silent majority.

[A W Smith]

Zogby admits that some of his methods are unorthodox. But his numbers have sometimes been far closer to election results than other pollsters', as when he showed the surge toward Al Gore in the last three days of the 2000 presidential campaign.


and who won that election?

[SezMe]

To be fair, AW, the 2000 presidential election was extremely close. Not only Florida but also Ohio and Arizona - to cite only two additional examples - were decided by a few hundred or a few thousand votes. That Zogby may have made the wrong call in 2000 is not sufficient evidence, IMO, to generallyt call his polling results into question.