[Thread closed technical problem] 'Proof' of Time Travel

[Pixel42]

http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/index.html

Someone calling himself EddyP, who appears to be one of the two authors of the site, has posted this link in the general discussion forum of Outpost Gallifrey (a Doctor Who website I frequent) and is busy defending its claims. Knowing how the folks here lap up this sort of stuff, I thought I'd share it with you.

I'll put a link to this thread on the OGF one - who knows, he may even favour you with a personal visit.

Enjoy.

There is a technical problem with this thread so it has been closed, however a copy of the thread can be found here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=106169& for anyone wishing to continue their discussion.

[Psiload]

So, the ancient Egyptians invented compact disk digital information storage media, and proof of this can be found... carved in stone.

Ooo-Kay.

:crazy:

[andyandy]

i chased around on the website but nothing seemed to take me to any of his argument....what's he actually saying?

there is good evidence that computational devices were employed way back...

A bronze Greek device constructed in around 80BC could be the world's oldest computer, joint British-Greek research seems to suggest.

The "Antikythera Mechanism" - consisting more than 30 bronze dials and wheels - was recovered from the wreck of a cargo ship off the Greek island of Antikythera in 1900, the Scotsman reports. Its exact purpose was unknown, although a previous theory centred on it being used to calculate the movement of the planets then known to the Greeks: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

The researchers from the universities of Cardiff, Athens and Thessalonika now believe they are close to cracking the mystery, by bringing to bear very modern X-ray technology which has revealed a previously-hidden Greek inscriptions which may confirm the planetary hypothesis.http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/07/antikythera_mechanism/

but this wouldn't have been too similar to what we have today ;)

[Pixel42]

i chased around on the website but nothing seemed to take me to any of his argument....what's he actually saying?
AIUI, that certain hieroglyphs prove that time travellers returned to Ancient Egypt with CDs And that they were angels. Or something.

[Kilgore Trout]

"Nostradamus did not prophesize and have mental visions of the future - he actually learnt of future events verbally from a time traveller and by viewing the Grolier Encyclopedia historical CD-Rom."

That cheater! I knew it.

[Pipirr]

So, the ancient Egyptians invented compact disk digital information storage media, and proof of this can be found... carved in stone.

Ooo-Kay.

:crazy:

Hey! That's the entire premise of 'Stargate' that you are questioning.

Just sayin'

[Wolfman]

Now here is a truly amazing site (http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/pressrelease/foreword.html); the author not only postulates that time travelers went back in time and affected past civilizations, but he has identified the three specific CD-ROMS that those time travelers took back in time with them!
These 'time messengers' took with them a computer and eight compact disks (ie. multimedia cd-roms), including these three named ones

1.http://www.thesecondwitness.com.au/WBDimages/acm2.jpg 2. http://www.thesecondwitness.com.au/WBDimages/grolier.jpg 3.http://www.thesecondwitness.com.au/WBDimages/redshift.jpg

Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean - Multimedia CD ROM by SCALA/E.M.M.E. Interactive, United Kingdom, 1995.
The New Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia, Release 6, Grolier Inc., 1993.
RedShift 2 by MARIS Multimedia, England, 1998.
Quite worth reading, if only for a chuckle :D Please note that this is hosted on the "World Breaking Discoveries" website -- not sure exactly why they want to break the world (seems pretty broken already).

[Wolfman]

An extra note here -- in regards to discussions of "atheism" and "skepticism", the people who are responsible for this theory, and this website, seem to be atheists (or at least agnostics), and state plainly that they believe stories of gods and supernatural visitations in the past are just stories about time travelers.

One need not be a theist to be completely woo.

[grayman]

Another thread here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=90863).

[Wolfman]

Ah, thanks grayman :)

[strathmeyer]

CD's and not DVD's? Seems they're a little behind the times in their time travel stories.

[Edy_P]

I am picking up on the words “theory” and “believe”; and “atheist” which reminds me of a statement I made two months ago.

In regards to the people responsible for that website (ie. World Breaking Discoveries);

Negative connotations of the word “theory” include ‘speculation, idea formed by speculation, and hypothetical circumstances’.
Used in this manner it may seem that the information on that website is not pertinent.

The announced statements are not theories but conclusions.

A “conclusion” means
1). ‘decision based on facts’ such as ‘a decision made or an opinion formed after considering the relevant facts or evidence’;
2). ‘part of argument deduced from evidence’ such as ‘the portion of an argument for which evidence is presented’.

A positive connotation of “theory” is ‘scientific principle to explain phenomena’ as in ‘a set of facts, propositions, or principles analyzed in their relation to one another and used, especially in science, to explain phenomena’.

If the word ‘theory’ is to be used in relation to World Breaking Discoveries, then the latter is the correct meaning for the statements made on that website.
I chose to use the word ‘conclusion’ because ‘theory’ also has negative connotations.

In relation to the commentthe people who are responsible for this theory, and this website…(snip)...state plainly that they believe stories of gods and supernatural visitations in the past are just stories about time travelersI wish to state that I do not believe the stories are accounts of time travellers – but conclude from the evidence that somehow, modern computer technology plus the contents of three cd-roms and some modern historical events are documented in ancient texts.

There is a difference.

Some people believe the world is flat, but it does not make them correct.
I do not believe it is spherical, but after consideration of the presented evidence from many sources, I conclude that it is spherical.
I hope you know what I am getting at.

Meaning of Atheist is “One who believes there is no God”.
source: www experiencefestival com/a/Athiest/id/70536 ..

A "theist" is someone who believes in a god of some kind.

And an "agnostic" is someone who doesn't know if god (or gods) exist or not, but doesn't care one way or the other.

For both atheists and theists - the common word is “belief”.

Belief can mean;
1). acceptance of truth of something: acceptance by the mind that something is true or real, often underpinned by an emotional or spiritual sense of certainty.
2). something that somebody believes in: a statement, principle, or doctrine that a person or group accepts as true.
3). confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof.

I personally find it hard to understand how people can ‘believe’ something without any proof.

I made the following statement back in July…Religious people believe in God - without any evidence.
Atheists believe there is no God - without any evidence.…then announced that two Australian researchers have unearthed definitive evidence that finally resolves the question "Is there a God ?"

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Religious people cite verses in their versions of their sacred texts to affirm their belief in their God. Those verses contain stories of ancient events that have been deemed to have literally occurred as documented. Those stories form the basis for their religion and their God, and are cited as evidence of their beliefs.
But this is a form of circular reasoning - "God is real because the sacred texts document supernatural events that can only be attributed to a god".

Atheists reject this idea and, without any evidence, claim those legends are mistaken or are not of literal historical events.
But this is also a form of closed mindedness, as evidence to show the religiously presented concept as being incorrect has not been shown.

Both groups present an opinion that represents only their respective beliefs.
But opinions and beliefs do not make something true or real.

Over a 10 year period, researchers Ronald Pegg and Eddy Pengelly uncovered the primary source of the stories that pertain to describe God. In their works they disclose that:

Evidence of modern computer technology is described in many ancient legends and texts

Documented 'Angelic Messengers' have been recognized as technological Time Travellers

Certain ancient people (now known as 'prophets') encountered these Time Messengers

The Prophets mistakenly regarded these Time Messengers as gods, God, or Angels

The prophets' stories of their encounter with 'Gods or Angels' became further distorted, and

those supernatural legends, myths, and stories became the basis for Religious Texts.

Over time, compiled pious texts were deemed to be absolute confirmation of a supreme God
and state:
The origins of the stories about GOD and source of the narratives portrayed in religious texts have been found.

The evidence reveals:
There was, and is no GOD - as described from religious texts.


World Breaking Discoveries has published reports concerning these discoveries on their website.
Link: www worldbreakingdiscoveries com au ...
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This may have been the article to which you refer by your words “the people who are responsible for…website state plainly that…”

[Slimething]

I am picking up on the words “theory” and “believe”; and “atheist” which reminds me of a statement I made two months ago.

In regards to the people responsible for that website (ie. World Breaking Discoveries);

Negative connotations of the word “theory” include ‘speculation, idea formed by speculation, and hypothetical circumstances’.
Used in this manner it may seem that the information on that website is not pertinent.

When most skeptics use the word "theory", they are referring to the scientific definition, to be found here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory). in your post, you are referring exclusively to the vulgar use, which is inappropriate to the discussion.


In relation to the commentI wish to state that I do not believe the stories are accounts of time travellers – but conclude from the evidence that somehow, modern computer technology plus the contents of three cd-roms and some modern historical events are documented in ancient texts.


We are requesting the evidence. So far, none has been produced. Do you have it? If not, can you get it for us?


Some people believe the world is flat, but it does not make them correct.
I do not believe it is spherical, but after consideration of the presented evidence from many sources, I conclude that it is spherical.
I hope you know what I am getting at.


No, I don't. The planet is provably spherical. There is no question. Do you know what I'm getting at?

And an "agnostic" is someone who doesn't know if god (or gods) exist or not, but doesn't care one way or the other.

That one's wrong. An agnostic is not one who does not care. They believe that it is not possible to determine whether or not there is a god. Subtle, but important, difference.


For both atheists and theists - the common word is “belief”.

Belief can mean;
1). acceptance of truth of something: acceptance by the mind that something is true or real, often underpinned by an emotional or spiritual sense of certainty.
2). something that somebody believes in: a statement, principle, or doctrine that a person or group accepts as true.
3). confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof.

I personally find it hard to understand how people can ‘believe’ something without any proof.


Now I see where you're going with this. I must now challenge you on your sloppy definition of an atheist, as atheism has nothing to do with belief. An atheist takes the natural position that, unless proven, no god exists. That has nothing to do with belief. That is a stance that was later defined as a skeptical stance or one using the scientific method. Atheism has nothing to do with belief.

I made the following statement back in July……then announced that two Australian researchers have unearthed definitive evidence that finally resolves the question "Is there a God ?"

Whoop-Dee-do for you. I guess I must live in a cave as I have not heard about this revolutionary finding from anyone but you. Tell me, is there a reliable, independent news source also carrying this information? Or are you the only source of this fantastic information?

I took the liberty of snipping the rest of your prattle because it is not based on logic and reason. OK?

[arthwollipot]

In relation to the commentI wish to state that I do not believe the stories are accounts of time travellers – but conclude from the evidence that somehow, modern computer technology plus the contents of three cd-roms and some modern historical events are documented in ancient texts.

If you check the other thread (linked above by grayman), it is not reasonable to conlude that any modern computer equipment was taken along. In fact, the computers were ten-year-old technology today - who knows how old they will be when the time machine is finally invented.

[Edy_P]

We are requesting the evidence. So far, none has been produced. Do you have it? If not, can you get it for us?

Ronald Pegg's original Research Booklets are available for free download via the "Ronald Pegg's RESEARCH BOOKS as PDF files" link on the PPHC Study Group's Study Area page.
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/index.html

For a quicker, summarized overview, some of his research plus my own reports are available in E-Book format.
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/ebooks/index.html

>"We are requesting the evidence.....Do you have it?"

Yes.

>"...can you get it for us"

I can only provide the links. It will be up to you whether you decide to read my reports.

The 'CHAPTER CONTENTS' and 'REAR COVER Details' sections via the ebook link may help you with this decision.

Eddy

[Slimething]

Thanks for the links but they don't seem to back up what you wrote. I went directly to Pegg's website and he doesn't mention a single time traveler as much as claim that a CD or various CDs were available to several historical figures. Nowhere does he describe how the CDs became available nor how these people were able to access or record on the CD(s). I see very well that he is selling CDs but that's not what you wrote.

Curious minds would want to know why, if a time traveler, actually went back in time, said person would only bring back CDs. Doesn't make much sense to me. Anyway, none of the claimed discoveries have much importance to modern knowledge.

Your site is uninformative. I would have to buy your books but I see no advantage to that.

Thanks anyway.

[Edy_P]

I see very well that he is selling CDs but that's not what you wrote.

What ???

Nowhere on Pegg's website is he selling cds ?

What do you mean ?

[l0rca]

Dude, I saw this, and I was thinking that someone used a quantum computer to subvert the speed of light.

Bummer.

[Scazon]

If you check the other thread (linked above by grayman), it is not reasonable to conlude that any modern computer equipment was taken along. In fact, the computers were ten-year-old technology today - who knows how old they will be when the time machine is finally invented.


That's easy.

(1) They didn't want to risk their new laptop on a risky time trip, so they took an old computer and some CDs from granny's attic.
(2) If you can go back from 3007 AD to xxxxBC, you can stop off in 1995 on the way to pick up things you've forgotten, do a bit of shopping, have a pint or two.
(3) The time machine WAS invented in 1995, they just haven't got back yet to tell us about it.

[Slimething]

What ???

Nowhere on Pegg's website is he selling cds ?

What do you mean ?

The claim was that time travelers had somehow recorded the Secrets of the Universe on a CD that was taken with them during their travels. Imagine my shock, horror and dismay when I found that the links were to sites selling CD's and NOT revealing said secrets! :covereyes

Please don't tell me this was just another ruse by those honorable woos at merely profitting from my stupidity! :D

[Edy_P]

The claim was that time travelers had somehow recorded the Secrets of the Universe on a CD that was taken with them during their travels.

What you are saying has never been said by myself nor mentioned on the cited websites.


Imagine my shock, horror and dismay when I found that the links were to sites selling CD's and NOT revealing said secrets!

You must be visiting a different website to everyone else.
AGAIN - Nowhere on Pegg's website is he selling cds ?

[wollery]

The claim was that time travelers had somehow recorded the Secrets of the Universe on a CD that was taken with them during their travels. Imagine my shock, horror and dismay when I found that the links were to sites selling CD's and NOT revealing said secrets! :covereyes

Please don't tell me this was just another ruse by those honorable woos at merely profitting from my stupidity! :DUmmm, I can't find a link to any CDs for sale.

[skeptigirl]

Another woo promoter making money for nothing. Makes you want to change sides sometimes. ;)

[skeptigirl]

Ummm, I can't find a link to any CDs for sale.It's a bit obscure. You have to make multiple purchases then purchase the "study group" session I believe.

e-book sales (http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/ebooks/index.html)

Esoteric Ancient Mysteries; Arcane Secrets Unlocked & Revealed (http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/evaluatepegg/index.html)

Visual Evaluation Study Group (http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/visualevaluation/index.html)Ancient Texts
Resource Books required: ACU, ANU, ANP, ANBC

In this Session
The purpose of this workshop is to enable you to examine and view the evidence for yourself to see whether Ronald Pegg's claim that "modern cd-rom imagery has been documented in ancient texts" is true or not.

Method
This workshop is for members who have already read the four resource books Ancient Chronicles Unsealed, A New Understanding, A New Perspective, and
A New Bible Commentary and wish to view some associated imagery from the Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean and Grolier Encyclopedia cd-roms.

Bring your ancient texts with you and, with the following pages from our resource books in hand, you will be able to compare ancient descriptions with the imagery from the two cd-roms.I tried to find the 'visual' evidence claimed in the list of evidence and from what I see it is a list of, "buy my product and I'll reveal "the secrets they don't want you to know about" kind of scam patterned after a Kevin Trudeau kind of sales pitch. Bottom line, they don't want you to see the evidence because they don't really have any. They are selling their scam products by getting people to believe they have something they don't really have. It's an old trick.

[Slimething]

Ummm, I can't find a link to any CDs for sale.

My bad. I went to this site and saw the Ancient Civilizations CD quoted over and over again and I mistook that for marketing. Edy_P is selling books on http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/ebooks/index.html. Where is a mod when you need one? ;)

[skeptigirl]

I just recognized the scam. Seen it a million times. "Take my word for it, there is something fantastic here but I can't let you see it until you pay". The CDs are part of the come on, along with a whole list of "this artifact has that evidence from the CD". In this case it just happens they want you to buy all the preliminary stuff before you can get to the good stuff. :rolleyes:

Do you know that when you buy Trudeau's book, "The Cures They Don't Want You to Know About", the book continues to lead the buyer on? It says, "I still can't tell you...but if you subscribe to my website..."

[Edy_P]

My bad. I went to this site and saw the Ancient Civilizations CD quoted over and over again and I mistook that for marketing.

That’s what I thought you did.
The Ancient Civilizations CD is the source of the “visions” shown to ancient people – being the “future book” reported by Ezekiel, Daniel, and John as being shown to them by the angelic ‘messenger’.


It's a bit obscure. You have to make multiple purchases then purchase the "study group" session I believe.

No. You believe wrong ! You are all grasping at straws and coming to the wrong conclusions (for what reasons I do not know).

PPHC Study Group has been conducting ‘study sessions’ for years for people who wish to personally attend their study rooms. People can purchase printed books if they wish, but are shown the Ancients cd-rom presentation anyway and are personally able to compare the imagery with described texts they bring themselves (with or without PPHC-SG books in hand). This is for people in Australia only.

PPHC Study Group has just commenced “Evaluate Pegg” study sessions. Again, for personal attendance in Australia only.

“WBD Evaluation Workshops” are current and are for people who have read the four cited books and are up to speed with all of Pegg’s discoveries. Again, for Australian residents only.

I tried to find the 'visual' evidence claimed in the list of evidenceThe visual evidence for the WBD and Study sessions is what you see on the computer’s screen as the Ancients cd-rom is shown to you, because you have personally attended a study session. This is for Australian people only attending the study rooms.

Evaluate Pegg’s Claims: It works this way.
Pegg says that ancient text A (say the Bible), verses B, C, D contain a list of twenty animals in a specific sequence.
People bring their copies of ancient text A and locate the cited verses in which ever Bible or version they so desire (which are highlighted in Pegg’s books if people wish to purchase them).
The Ancients cd-rom is run, and the question asked “Are the animals as listed and described in ancient text A viewed on the screen ?”
People then make their own judgement as they compare the words from the Bible to the animals seen on the screen.

But all of this, is not relevant to people overseas or people not visiting the study rooms – as you can not see the pictures.

To overcome this, I have put this (and many other) examples on the website.
Link: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/2007h/nh_7g.html

Without attending my study rooms nor purchasing anything, you can see which pictures Daniel reports as seeing ‘in visions’ from the book shown to him by a ‘messenger’.

Some Australian PPHC Study Group members preferred an electronic version rather than in printed form, so the books were converted to E-Book (pdf) format. Thus the E-Book shop.

No one is being forced to buy anything.

In fact, the people who read the books (or e-books) are at a disadvantage.

On the WBD Website not only are printed reports given (similar to what is contained in the books), but the associated cd-rom picture is included so people do not have to personally visit the study rooms.

There is no scam.

Personal attendance study sessions have been, and are being conducted in Australia only.
Printed books are available in Australia only.
E-Books are available world-wide if anyone wishes to purchase them.
About five websites present most of what is reported in the books but INCLUDE actual pictures from the Ancients cd-rom.

What more do you people want ?

I have put all this on the website so everyone can, word by word, verse by verse, compare ancient descriptions to the content and imagery from the Ancients cd-rom.

[skeptigirl]

Come on Edy_P, this is a forum of critical thinkers.

There is a ton of vague gobbly-gook on the web site and in the end you get:

Here's your "free" come on. (http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/timedetectives.html)1. Commence by reading the 23 News Headline articles in the Public Section.

2. Continue to the Study Area to, access Pegg's original research documentation (at no charge),
read about Pegg and Pengelly plus their Discoveries and Findings, view 38 NEWS REPORTS that provide
concise study information, visit archived MEDIA articles, and gain access to PPHC-SG study information
that includes their reports concerning Egyptian Gods, Atlantis, and Fulfilled Prophecies.Lots of pages, vague references, hard to follow, and I didn't see anything earth shattering.

For example for "free" you get 2 vague pages claiming a circle with a dot in the middle is a CD ROM. EVIDENCE of COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY
in ANCIENT EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPHS (http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/pressrelease/pr2.pdf)

Then you get to a page like
this one. (http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/pphcsg/os1.html)

Ronald Pegg's original Powerpoint Presentations

Only shown to attending people during
Private Consultation and Study Sessions

Some Powerpoint Presentations have been converted
to Slide Shows and combined with Pegg's written works,
and are presented in a SEMINAR format.

Only shown to attending Members during
PPHC-SG Consultation and Seminar Sessions

More from the bottom line: (http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/pphcsg/rt4.html)These points were investigated and evaluated.
The findings were amazing and the implications world-shattering.
Ronald Pegg's research and discoveries of between 1996 and 2002, plus
Eddy Pengelly's investigations conducted between 2002 and 2006 provide the answers.

Please visit the World Breaking Discoveries website for News Reports, visual Evidence, and Explanations.In other words, they supposedly have something but for the convincing stuff, you need to pay.

If this was real, you'd want to share it for the recognition, not publish this kind of come on with an offer at the end to get the real stuff after you pay.

[Slimething]

If this was real, you'd want to share it for the recognition, not publish this kind of come on with an offer at the end to get the real stuff after you pay.

But maybe he includes a set of Ginzu knives if you act before Novemeber 1st! Posters like Edy-P are best ignored. Unless you like wasting your time AND money, that is. :mad:

[Edy_P]

snip…Please visit the World Breaking Discoveries website for News Reports, visual Evidence, and Explanations.
Comment given: In other words, they supposedly have something but for the convincing stuff, you need to pay.

No. As previously stated, the WBD website shows some imagery that is only available if you personally view the cd-roms. Internet visitors are shown some imagery that people who purchase books do not.
You keep bringing up the Australian sections of the websites (ie. PPHC-SG) that are relevant to only Australian residents as if you are missing out on something – then you complain that ‘items are being sold’. You also quote links to pages that I have not given to overseas people (such as the Australian Time Detective page and the Press Release pages).

To reply to your other comments would be repeating myself.


Lots of pages, vague references, hard to follow, and I didn't see anything earth shattering.

Thankyou for visiting my website. I am sorry you did not find it as stimulating as others who have visited.


>”Come on Edy_P, this is a forum of critical thinkers.”

OK then.
Please explain how Ezekiel documented at least 50 descriptions and/or attributes of the Etruscan Temple in his verses.
Link: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/2007h/nh_7f.html

Please explain how Daniel documented the 20 pictures/animals attributes from the Ancients cd-rom.
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/vc2.html

Daniel (OT, 600BCE, Babylon) and John (NT, 95CE, Patmos) both report that an “angel” showed them ‘visions’ and told them ‘future history’ from a ‘book sealed with seven seals’. They both provide particularly concise descriptions of those visions.

The Ancients cd-rom has seven iconic sealed on its main menu. When sections of the books of Daniel and Revelations are word by word compared with the said cd-rom, an exact match of imagery to descriptions occurs.

It could be coincidence, or it could be that Ronald Pegg has actually found the ‘future book’ used by the angel to show the ancient prophets their visions.

To me its simple. Either the images match, or they do not. To help answer this, I have provided on the WBD website pictures that can be compared to ancient verses – so that overseas people do not have to come to Australia and view my copy of the Ancients cd-rom. (Anyway, you will not all fit in my lounge room.)

Question 1 should be “Do the images match ?” – ie. use our critical thinking to analyse the presented evidence, then try to come to some form of conclusion based upon the presented documentation.
Let’s not keep side-tracking ourselves with ramblings such as do the Australians have to pay for books that we are unable to buy, or finding irrelevant pages on associated websites that stray from the task at hand.

[Slimething]

To reply to your other comments would be repeating myself.

Why are you objecting to that only now? You have repeated yourself ad nauseam since your OP.


OK then.
Please explain how Ezekiel documented at least 50 descriptions and/or attributes of the Etruscan Temple in his verses.
Link: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/2007h/nh_7f.html

Please explain how Daniel documented the 20 pictures/animals attributes from the Ancients cd-rom.
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/vc2.html


Stupid me. I went to both your links and was severely and, perhaps, mortally underwhelmed. The first is a "just so" story where we are asked to take your word on everything, despite the unremarkable "vision". The second is a textbook example of retrofitting if I ever saw one. All of a sudden, a map compass becomes four winds?


Daniel (OT, 600BCE, Babylon) and John (NT, 95CE, Patmos) both report that an “angel” showed them ‘visions’ and told them ‘future history’ from a ‘book sealed with seven seals’....
The Ancients cd-rom has seven iconic sealed on its main menu. When sections of the books of Daniel and Revelations are word by word compared with the said cd-rom, an exact match of imagery to descriptions occurs.

All this means is that you found a CD with sever portals. Big whoop. Now you're trying to retrofit this to ancient writings of your choice.

It could be coincidence, ...

No, it's not even that. You've convinced yourself of matches that are not there. The writings and the cheap CD ROM are not in the least related.

So, are you or are you not going to offer me free Ginzu knives? :cool:

[skeptigirl]

...>”Come on Edy_P, this is a forum of critical thinkers.”

OK then.
Please explain how Ezekiel documented at least 50 descriptions and/or attributes of the Etruscan Temple in his verses.
Link: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/2007h/nh_7f.html

Please explain how Daniel documented the 20 pictures/animals attributes from the Ancients cd-rom.
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/vc2.html

Daniel (OT, 600BCE, Babylon) and John (NT, 95CE, Patmos) both report that an “angel” showed them ‘visions’ and told them ‘future history’ from a ‘book sealed with seven seals’. They both provide particularly concise descriptions of those visions.

The Ancients cd-rom has seven iconic sealed on its main menu. When sections of the books of Daniel and Revelations are word by word compared with the said cd-rom, an exact match of imagery to descriptions occurs.

It could be coincidence, or it could be that Ronald Pegg has actually found the ‘future book’ used by the angel to show the ancient prophets their visions....So according to you and Pegg, Daniel and John get minute details correct from a CD ROM viewed on a computer brought by a time traveler but they only vaguely describe where they got this information from?

Can you point me to some description of a mysterious person wearing odd clothes with a box that has a magical light and changing pictures of a quality only the best artists could produce?

[Edy_P]

…Daniel and John get minute details correct from a CD ROM viewed on a computer brought by a time traveler but they only vaguely describe where they got this information from?

If you mean the vague description of “Visions”, then yes.
But Daniel exactly describes from where he got the information: A man named Gabriel stood near him. Someone else told Gabriel to explain to Daniel. (That makes two messengers). Gabriel came closer and spoke (to Daniel) about the visions and information.

Daniel 8:15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. 16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel , make this man to understand the vision. 17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. 18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. 19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

Again at Daniel 9: 21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel , whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.


Can you point me to some description of a mysterious person wearing odd clothes with a box that has a magical light and changing pictures of a quality only the best artists could produce?

Not off hand. Composite descriptions are rarely given.
The “changing pictures” are referred to as ‘visions’.
The mysterious persons were religiously perceived as ‘angels’ or sometimes ‘elders’ and as such were apparently not questioned.

Computer parts were perceived and described differently throughout history:
Computer (box): Delphi Oracle, Sacred Tripod, Brazen Tripod, Urim and Thummim.
Mouse (and cable): Sacred Stick, Wand in the hand , Rod , Staff (of Moses).
Glass Monitor: Cauldron of Inspiration, magic Mirror, Crystal Ball, Box (of animals).
Compact disks: Akashic Records, Magic Circles (Nostradamus), Philosopher’s stone, Stone (black rock of Islam), Bowl, sacred hoop.
Throughout history, three were named: 1. Wheel of Destiny of Nations - Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean 2. Wheel of Time - Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia 3. Divine Eye (Eye of Horus) - RedShift2.
Cd-cases: Plates (of Mormon): http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/vc8.html

“wearing odd clothes”: Egyptian records (ie. Hieroglyphs and vignettes) show two messengers in white robes (lab assistants/ TTs ?).
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/nvignette.html

Some ‘messengers’ appear in a “white light”: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/ex6.html

The Hebrew Oracle also referred to a computer system: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/ex5.html

[Zep]

Edy_P, please consider this question carefully: What evidence would you accept that would show your research and conclusions are actually invalid?

[TuftedPuffin]

Wow....this is quite possibly the most obviously false time travel claim I have ever seen....so much so that I believe it is almost certainly a hoax. Here's my understanding of the argument:

"Content appears in both a modern encyclopedia of ancient civilizations, and in the civilizations themselves. Therefore, the civilizations must have had access to the programs!"

OR: Maybe, just maybe, the ancient civilizations program takes information about ancient civilizations...that it learned from study of said civilizations. Just a possibility.

[Edy_P]

Short answer version
What evidence would you accept that would show your research and conclusions are actually invalid?

Pegg says that descriptions found in their ancient texts from over 25 cultures and time eras match to the imagery from three cd-roms.
When compared – there is no match of imagery.

Pegg says that he located the biblical End Time Signs as events in history books.
When compared – the events do not match.

[Edy_P]

Long answer version
What evidence would you accept that would show your research and conclusions are actually invalid

My research ? Pegg’s Research ? Some of it ? Pegg’s conclusions ? My Conclusions ?

Pegg first found that certain biblical accounts that have NOT been verified by external historical references (ie. only the Bible says events X, Y & Z occurred) are descriptions of certain modern historical events (particularly the 1990/1991 Persian Gulf War).

In other words, he found the answer to a question that had previously not been answered.

He wondered why these had been ‘encoded’ or covered over by religious rhetoric in the Bible and noticed that similar accounts of these X, Y, & Z accounts are documented by the prophets Daniel (OT) and John (NT). Where these are mentioned coincides with the “vision” accounts and the showing of ‘future historical events’ by two mentioned ‘messengers’.

As previously explained on this forum, Pegg came to the conclusion that “God’s Angels” took back specific modern cd-roms to show Daniel and John in order to warn them of the future Religious problems.
The history and pictures from the three cd-roms do match to ancient descriptions.
As suggested by someone on this forum, I have made enquiries to have these matters converted to Statistics of whether it is beyond just being coincidences.

A composite of stories from various ancient texts provide an overview of “future history” and states SIGNS for when all this will ‘come to pass’. The “visions” involve a sealed book, etc.

Pegg says that he found the modern ‘book’ cited by the ancient text descriptions plus located the modern events known as SIGNS.

My research involved comparing Keywords from ancient texts with the sequence of imagery from the cd-roms (and to historical events) to see if Pegg’s claims were valid.
I haven’t added them all up, but there are hundreds of exact image matches from dozens of different texts as well as hundreds of historical matches to biblically described events.

I would have considered his claim invalid if during the comparison process most of the descriptions did not appear on screen (or in history books) as he suggested.
Simply put, if he said Daniel documents 20 attributes/animals, then I would expect to see 20 animals/attributes on screen from the cd-rom. If not, I would deem him erroneous. But there is a sequence of 20 animals/attributes on screen – exactly as documented by Daniel. The same with the historical events.

(See Criterion of Multiple Attestation comment at end of post.)

My conclusion differs to Pegg’s original determination in as far as he thought God’s angels took the cd-roms back in time, while I found within various ancient texts that those angelic ‘messengers’ were humans from Earth using technological time travel.

I don’t really know how to answer your question.
It is like someone asking “What evidence would you accept that would show the research and conclusion regarding the Earth being somewhat spherical and orbiting the Sun are actually invalid”.
There is no evidence to show it is invalid – because the Earth is ‘round’ and does orbit the Sun.

There is a whole lot more to Pegg’s work that just what has been briefly mentioned on this forum or even documented on the WBD website.

It all boils down to ‘what level of evidence does one accept in order to push aside five thousand years of (religious dogma and) understanding’.
It took civilization quite an effort to accept the world was not flat.

Maybe I am not explaining myself as best I could.
Maybe the other works of Pegg not yet mentioned nor fully studied hold the key to the type of evidence that you seem to require.

I will turn your question around somewhat.
Ancient texts tell of certain prophets being visited by messengers who showed them specific imagery and history from a future book.
The contents of that future book were documented by the said prophets.
The messengers said it will all be revealed at a certain point in the distant future – and gave particular dated events and time frames.
A certain war, astronomical events, and specifically named people were also given to the prophets as a series of SIGNS that will announce at that distant future time, when this will all be revealed.
In other non-biblical texts, the person who reveals this information is named and his domicile given.

Ancient texts state (by the way of quoting the messengers) that at least two witnesses will find these things.

Pegg is one of these witnesses.

Why are you finding it hard to understand that Pegg may have found what religious people have been expecting for over three thousand years ?

Everything he presented on his website fits in with what has been awaited – IF the contemporary concept of gods, God, and Angels who encountered the ancient prophets is replaced by non-divine messengers.
I will call them Time Travellers until further evidence shows otherwise.

Why have we concluded non-divine entities ?
There is no evidence to prove that gods, God, or Angels as described in religious stories actually exist or existed.

Pegg’s conclusion fills in most of the gaps and answers many ancient enigma.


Criterion of Multiple Attestation
“Put simply, whenever historians are trying to build up a picture of some event or person from the past, they begin by sorting out how many independent sources attest to that event or person. The more independent sources there are, the more confident historians feel about reconstructing the past. This is generally known as the criterion of multiple attestation.”

Ronald Pegg adhered to this method and found the imagery from certain modern cd-roms described in over 25 different and diverse cultures spanning over 5,000 years.

In another post I explained this as “context”.snip… EGYPTIAN Myths, The Pyramid Texts, GREEK Myths, NORSE Mythology, The Hebrew Bible, The Christian Bible, The MUSLIM Bible, The MORMON Bible, Zoroastrianism, HINDUISM, BUDDHISM, CONFUCIANISM and TAOISM, CREATION Myths such as: Brahmanic Creation Poem, Scandinavia and Iceland, Yggdrasil, Ancient Babylon, The Creation in Hebrew Mysticism, Plato's Myth of Er, North American Indian Mythology, The Seven Aphorisms of Creation, Genesis: Chapter One , and Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories.

Pegg found that, in their own way, the ‘stories’ from all these cultures are describing the same source: the cd-roms shown to them and their encounter with the gods, God, or Angels. snip

The Eye of Horus is not an isolated example. It sits, in sequence, amongst over 40 other identified and matched characteristics. Seen in this context – it is part of a bigger picture…snip

[Zep]

No, let's read that question again, this time with emphasis:

What evidence would YOU accept that would show your/Pegg's research and conclusions are actually INvalid?

Care to stick to just this question and not spam the forum?

[arthwollipot]

Allow me to step in before things get ugly.

Edy_P, please consider this question carefully: What evidence would you accept that would show your research and conclusions are actually invalid?

Short answer version


Pegg says that descriptions found in their ancient texts from over 25 cultures and time eras match to the imagery from three cd-roms.
When compared – there is no match of imagery.

In other words, if there was no match, this would be evidence that Pegg's analysis was incorrect.

Pegg says that he located the biblical End Time Signs as events in history books.
When compared – the events do not match.

Again, if there is no match of events, then the analysis was incorrect.

However, I do not consider this to be valid since the research was based on the fact that the imagery and the events do match. This was the premise on which the research was based. The conclusion was an attempt to explain why the imagery and the events matched.

So, Edy_P, I don't think that these would be reasonable criteria for deciding that the research is invalid.

Being totally kooky - that is reasonable criteria for deciding that the research is invalid.

[Zep]

I was rather hoping Edy_P was going to arrive at that conclusion using his own thinking, A! ;)

[arthwollipot]

Sorry for spoiling.

[Zep]

Sorry for spoiling.Never mind. It might not have happened after all.

[seanmcg]

It amuses me that scientists (presumably some time in the future) would invent a time machine, and then pack up their circa-2007 desktop (sans power) and lug it into the past, along with:

A 25-year old encyclopedia (apparently their computer runs DOS)
A 22-year old historical CD (officially an antique)
A 10-year old desktop planetarium (like new!)

Perhaps they didn't want the ancient Mesopotamians to run Windows.

[BlackKat]

It amuses me that scientists (presumably some time in the future) would invent a time machine, and then pack up their circa-2007 desktop (sans power) and lug it into the past, along with:

A 25-year old encyclopedia (apparently their computer runs DOS)
A 22-year old historical CD (officially an antique)
A 10-year old desktop planetarium (like new!)

Perhaps they didn't want the ancient Mesopotamians to run Windows.

Obviously some of the computers brought back in time ran Windows as an OS.

This is explained by the historical images of windows with four panes of glass. If it was not for those time travelers we would have never had such windows develop, which means Bill Gates would have not had the trademark, which means that the time travellers would not have had such a shape to show the ancients which means that there would have been no four paned windows which means that Bill Gates would not have had the trademark.... Oh dear. I'm stuck in a loop.

Now if only I could figure out how a stick=a mouse in EdyP's wonderfully flexible translation system.

[logical muse]

It says this:

Egyptian hieroglyphs depict the exact form of a compact disk, the protruding cradle of the cd-rom tray that sits in the rectangular computer box, plus a mouse and cable.

You'd have thought the time-travellers would take a laptop rather than a "rectangular computer box", given that a power outlet would have been hard to come by in ancient Egypt.

[Ladewig]

Even if every comparison made were completely accurate and the odds of coincidence were so staggeringly large as to constitute some type of proof, why is time travel the simplest explanation?

Maybe the orginal "vision" were glimpses into a collective or shared unconsciousness and the people who made the CDs unknowingly tapped into the same shared memory.

Maybe the orginal visions were merely dreams with no inherent meaning and all the original prophets and scribes were reincarnated in late 20th century America where they worked on these CDs. Their souls might have been fixated on these themes and worked them into the CDs.

Maybe there is a God and He was responsible for both the original visions and the imagery on the CDs.

Maybe the people in the past astrally projected themselves into the future where they saw people using these CDs.

Aren't any of these explanations easier to accept than a society that refuses to send people back in time to prevent the AIDS pandemic, to install a worldwide early warning system for tsunamis, to influence key figures in the 1700's to take a strong stand against slavery and racism, or to do any of the myriad other things that would improve the lives of billions of people?

[Edy_P]

…snip…However, I do not consider this to be valid since the research was based on the fact that the imagery and the events do match. This was the premise on which the research was based. The conclusion was an attempt to explain why the imagery and the events matched.

No. You seem to be missing several steps in the research process and just commenting upon the later Multiple Attestation Criterion.
You have also picked up on the wrong premise, and linked it with a different conclusion.

The “search for matching imagery” as you call it was part of the later Multiple Attestation Criterion to see whether Pegg’s claim of ‘history from modern cd-roms being documented in ancient texts’ was valid

Between 1996 and 1998 Ronald Pegg found modern historical events documented in ancient texts, both at the surface level and in an encoded manner. That was his first observation.

When these claims were investigated, amazingly, more examples of ‘modern history in ancient texts’ were found.
If no supportive evidence from modern cd-roms or history books was to be found, then Pegg’s discovery would have been deemed just a coincidence. But supportive evidence WAS found and it was concluded that ancient texts do in fact contain extracts of actual history from specific modern history books. So we moved on to the next step – looking for more associated evidence.

Upon further investigation it was found that the common link between the documentation of future historical events in ancient texts was an encounter with God or his angels. It is documented in ancient texts that these angels used certain ‘books’ to show and tell the ancient prophets whom then documented their encounters.

At this stage it was proposed by Pegg that GOD’s Angels travelled through time and took the named printed modern history books back to the ancient prophets and told and showed them the enclosed information – as documented by various named ancient prophets. This was the first theory. The accounts in the religious stories themselves seemed to support this concept.

But this can not be just a ‘one off’ theory. If this theory was correct for the Old Testament, then at other encounters with angels or gods, there should be the same evidence of modern history documented. As I have previously posted - as well as historical events being documented in ancient texts, associated with these there were certain sequences of animal imagery cited (the ‘future visions’).

Pegg used his hypothesis to predict what additional evidence should exist only if the hypothesis is true. Basically, at all encounters with gods, GOD, or Angels, various combinations of animal descriptions (the ‘visions’), Persian Gulf War data, named people and the historical events – should appear in ancient texts.

He investigated over 25 ancient texts, and there in the ancient descriptions – often covered over by mistranslations or religious rhetoric – were the same animal ‘visions’, war, and future historical events documented. The “Visions” and “Signs” in all these ancient texts were found to be descriptions of sequences of imagery from at least three cd-roms – Ancients, Grolier, and RedShift2.

The discovered evidence thus supported his claim that “modern historical accounts and cd-rom imagery are described in ancient texts where ‘gods, God, or Angels’ tell the prophet of future things”.

The premise for the research wasn’t based on the idea that ‘the imagery and the events do match’ but ‘What supportive evidence is there that indicates that modern historical accounts in ancient texts as cited by the ‘gods, God, or Angels’ are not just coincidences’.

It was found that where modern historical events were documented in ancient texts, so too were descriptions of the imagery from the cd-roms.

The concept of criterion of multiple attestation declares that the more independent sources there are, the more confident historians feel about reconstructing the past.
This is the point at which you have been introduced to the results of the research. Many of the ‘matching’ examples are provided on the WBD website.

So on to the next step. Gods, Angels, or something else ?

Pegg found that some of the religiously described gods, GOD, and angels were not of a divine nature, but referred to the icons from the three cd-roms (the seals/doorways which were often depicted as animals).
This destroyed his first theory that it was GOD’s Angels who took back the modern books and compact disks.
The other ‘angels’ who are documented by the named prophet as specifically talking to and showing them ‘future things’ were therefore also not of a divine nature.

During his investigations Pegg found computer parts documented in the Old Testament, and when Strong’s Concordance was employed to return the mistranslated and misinterpreted Latin and Greek meanings back to the original Hebrew/Aramaic, WHY all this is documented in ancient texts was eventually revealed.

The conclusion wasn’t (as you call it) “an attempt to explain why the imagery and the events matched” but ‘why’ and ‘how’ the imagery and history from the cd-roms ARE documented in ancient texts.

The discovery of more than 30 separate cultural examples of ‘matching imagery with ancient descriptions’ throughout various eras was the supportive Multiple Attestation process of the investigations – not the premise of the research.

[arthwollipot]

My mistake.

[Cuddles]

Now if only I could figure out how a stick=a mouse in EdyP's wonderfully flexible translation system.

This may be running a serious risk of creating a critical mass of woo and causing the forum to implode. The code provided by the ETcorndogs (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=91938) can easily turn "stick" into "a mouse". Perhaps the time travlers were actually all part of the same ineffable scheme.

[Slimething]

This may be running a serious risk of creating a critical mass of woo and causing the forum to implode. The code provided by the ETcorndogs (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=91938) can easily turn "stick" into "a mouse". Perhaps the time travlers were actually all part of the same ineffable scheme.

Wouldn't it be nice if all the woos got together to create an alternate universe from all their collective works, left to inhabit said locale and left the rest of us alone?

[seanmcg]

Wouldn't it be nice if all the woos got together to create an alternate universe from all their collective works, left to inhabit said locale and left the rest of us alone?

Maybe if we pray hard enough, it will happen.

[rtalman]

I have uncovered the proof that the time travelers visited Nostradamus, and I know which DVD they showed him!

Look at the following Nostradamus Quatrain

NOSTRADAMUS QUATRAIN #1-35
The young lion, overcomes the older
On the field of battle, by singular duel.
Through a helmet of gold, his eye will be pierced.
Two wounds in one, then much crying, cruel death.Clearly Nosty was watching the end of The Lion King!!1!11!11


The young lion, overcomes the older
On the field of battle, by singular duel.
Simba vs. Scar


Through a helmet of gold, his eye will be pierced.
The eye scar under Scar's mane, or 'helmet of gold'


Two wounds in one, then much crying, cruel death.
Scar gets scarred, get it? Then torn up by the Hyenas, a pretty cruel death.


:D:D:D

[Edy_P]

NOSTRADAMUS - The City at 45 Degrees Identified: Quatrain 97 Century 6

Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/nd0.html


C1 .Q81 : D'humain troupeau neuf seront mis à part
and
Presages 69 to 72: WTC 911 attacks

Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/2007g/homenos.html

[TuftedPuffin]

Edy, hate to tell you this, but Nostradamus's stuff has been confirmed as coded Protestant propaganda referring to events in his era.

[Cuddles]

Yeah, if you want real prophecies you want Agnes Nutter.

[Edy_P]

Edy, hate to tell you this, but Nostradamus's stuff has been confirmed as coded Protestant propaganda referring to events in his era.

By whom ?
Please advise sources. ie. websites, books, researcher's names, etc.

[Mashuna]

Yeah, if you want real prophecies you want Agnes Nutter.


I've heard she does nice prophecies.

[Cuddles]

I've heard she does nice prophecies.

Accurate too.:p

[Edy_P]

Edy, hate to tell you this, but Nostradamus's stuff has been confirmed as coded Protestant propaganda referring to events in his era.

RE: "referring to events in his era"

No. This is incorrect.

Quatrains have been matched to actual historical events after Nostradamus died.

The British cultural historian Geoffrey Ashe, in his 1999 publication entitled The Book Of Prophecy: From Ancient Greece To The Millennium (Blandford, Illustrated Division, The Orion Publishing Group, London), examined some prophecies from the quatrains of Nostradamus.
Twenty six that Ashe called Class A quatrains are ‘good’ ones that make at least one prediction that is open to only a single interpretation.
Twenty four Class B quatrains are ones that have possible fulfilments but where some details from certain lines are open to dispute.

On pages 133-152 he revealed that from thirteen quatrains – 45 predictions match to actual French and British historical events from around 1563 to 1793, and on pages 153-169 he informed us that from another thirteen quatrains – 55 predictions match to actual historical events pertaining to the French Bonaparte phenomenon. On pages 169-176 he summarized briefly the 24 Class B quatrains and their matches to actual historical events.

From a total of 942 quatrains, fifty derived over 124 historical matches. This equates to 5.3 percent of the quatrains of Nostradamus generating predictions that were correct and factual to ears after his death.

The Australian researcher, Ronald Pegg, has matched more described events from quatrains to events in the late 20th century – as have I (refer links via earlier post).

Eddy Pengelly

[arthwollipot]

Heh heh heh - this is a fine site to be making claims like that (http://www.amazon.com/Mask-Nostradamus-Prophecies-Worlds-Famous/dp/0879758309/ref=sr_1_5/103-6511455-3384601?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190962475&sr=1-5).

[Cuddles]

Quatrains have been matched to actual historical events after Nostradamus died.

So? I could match every paragraph of Harry Potter to actual historical events. Just because you can claim that a sentence describes something doesn't mean it actually does, and it certainly doesn't mean it was intended to.

[Ladewig]

From a total of 942 quatrains, fifty derived over 124 historical matches. This equates to 5.3 percent of the quatrains of Nostradamus generating predictions that were correct and factual to ears after his death.

Five percent really doesn't sound that amazing to me. If one predicts wars and rumors of wars occurring over the next five hundred years, then getting a five percent hit rate seems rather easy.


Do you have a theory as to how Nostradamus got 124 predictions correct? Was he visited by time travellers as well?

[Edy_P]

Quatrains have been matched to actual historical events after Nostradamus died.So? …Just because you can claim that a sentence describes something doesn't mean it actually does, and it certainly doesn't mean it was intended to.

You seem to be missing the point, or you do not really know about Nostradamus and all his works.

Nostradamus wrote to King Henry of France from Salon on 27th of June, 1558 and saidNevertheless, I wanted to leave a record in writing of the years, towns, cities and regions in which most of the events will come to pass, even those of the year 1585 and of the year 1606, reckoning from the present time, which is March 14, 1557, and going far beyond to the events which will take place at the beginning of the seventh millenary, when, so far as my pro- found astronomical calculations and other knowledge have been able to make out, the adversaries of Jesus Christ and his Church will begin to multi- ply greatly.source: http://www.indepthinfo.com/nostradamus/letter.shtml

Nostradamus WAS writing of future events.

I cited 50 quatrains that Geoffrey Ashe confirmed as matching to actual historical events.
Others have matched others.

[Edy_P]

Five percent really doesn't sound that amazing to me.

The fact that 124 ‘modern historical events’ (ie. those that occurred after the death of Nostradamus) ARE described in the quatrains – means that Nostradamus DID document ‘future historical events’ in his works.

The percentage number – is only an indication as to how many have so far been confirmed.
Pegg has matched more quatrains to modern historical events and descriptions.

The 5 percent that doesn’t amaze you, was from one researcher, Geoffrey Ashe, who utilized critical criterion being that ‘good’ ones (class A) make at least one prediction that is open to only one single interpretation, and class B quatrains that have fulfilments but where some lines are open to dispute or do not fit the historical event from the other 2 or 3 lines.

Other researchers in their books, such as The Prophecies of Nostradamus by Erika Cheetam, show many more matches – but unfortunately also guesses are included in their works.

The guesses and/or predictions that some researchers made that then did not come about – have given Nostradamus a bad name.
In fact it is those researchers who have chosen the wrong historical event to match to the quatrains, and not that Nostradamus is wrong. Many of those ‘questionable’ or ‘non-matching’ events in quatrains (stated by earlier researchers) had not yet occurred when their books were released.
Now that we are several decades later to when earlier books about Nostradamus were written, more modern events and personages are being located, identified, and matched to the descriptions of Nostradamus.


Do you have a theory as to how Nostradamus got 124 predictions correct? Was he visited by time travellers as well?

He doesn’t say so directly nor indicates time travellers as such, but he describes and documents the contents of at least two cd-roms, one being the Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean. The use of a monitor (magic mirror) and two compact disks (magic circles) are mentioned by the Queen of France, plus a mouse and cable (wand in hand).

Brief introduction regarding the use of a computer and compact disks: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/2007g/nost3.html

Pegg indicates that:
C1q1&2 document the Ancients cd-rom being used by Nostradamus on a cd-tray (saddle in the air). Source: Chapter Nine, Nostradamus Unsealed by Ronald Pegg; and
that Nostradamus has drawn a depiction of the Ancients cd-rom plus some of its contents (ibid. p211).

Extract (used with permission) from A New Perspective – The Bible and Nostradamus by Eddy Pengelly, pp125-6.My examination of these quatrains produced these results.

C1.q1 Estant assis de nuict secret estude
Seul repose sus la selle d'aerain;
Flambe exigue sortant de solitude
Faict prosper qui n'est a croire vain.

= To be sitting down in darkness. Secret study by oneself. In addition to pushing back out of the way the saddle in the air, a scanty quick blaze will come out of a solitary place; facts to pour out which should not be believed in vain;

C1.q2 La verge en main mise au milieu des branches
De l'onde il moulle & le limbe & le pied:
Un peur & voix fremissant par les manches;
Splendeur divine. Le divin pres s'assied

= the wand in hand put in the middle of the branches. In the water it drags the limb and the foot, and by quivering the handle, a fearful voice. Heavenly brilliance, the divine sit nearby.

C1.q3 (lines 1 & 2)
Quand la lictiere du tourbillon versee,
Et seront faces de leurs manteaux couvers,

when the litter overturned by the whirlwind and of their faces are sitting on the mantle.

…full translations given on pp205-8…
(snip…)
These first three quatrains…like the Old Testament's Genesis story (Gen 1:1-29) and the New Testament's Revelations account (chapters 4 to 7), explain aspects of how to use the Ancients cd-rom plus some of its imagery.

…Summary of Keywords…
(a) Secret study by oneself.
(b) In addition to pushing back out of the way the saddle in the air, the wand in hand put in the middle of the branches and by quivering the handle,
(c) facts to pour out which should not be believed in vain.
(d) To be sitting down in darkness,
(e) the divine sit nearby, in the water they drag the limb and the foot.
(f) Heavenly brilliance, a scanty quick blaze will come out of a solitary place,
(g) and when the litter overturned by the whirlwind,
(h) of their faces are sitting on the mantle.
(i) A fearful voice.

…Meanings of Keywords…
The "saddle in the air" = the cd-rom drive tray that protrudes out from the computer - literally, in the air.
"Pushing it back out of the way" = pushing the cd-rom drive tray back into the CPU tower case.
The "wand in hand" = the mouse and cable.
"Quivering the handle" = clicking the mouse and/or moving the cursor around the screen.
"Facts" do indeed "pour out" from the "branches" of knowledge from within the Ancients cd-rom.
"Put in the middle of the branches" = literally and figuratively clicking from the middle of this cd-rom.

In (d) to (i) Nostradamus relates a sequence of imagery from the Ancients cd-rom.

(d) = the initial blank black screen.
(e) = sitting above the water are the five gods whose limbs and feet are literally and figuratively 'in the water', as only their heads are depicted and not their bodies.
(f) the bright white sailboat cursors in the sky, plus the red 'fiery' flames of the windrose (aka. whirlwind).
(g) when the whirlwind is selected, the litter (of animal icons) is seen on the mantle - the screen 'turns over' and produces new images.
(h) on the mantle (earth map), some of these icons have the faces of the previously seen gods.
(i) = the voice of the male narrator.

See this sequence of Ancients cd-rom imagery here: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/2007h/nh_7a.html
..

[Myriad]

Extract (used with permission) from A New Perspective – The Bible and Nostradamus by Eddy Pengelly, pp125-6.


Clearly, Nostradamus predicted the flush toilet, centuries before its invention!

"To be sitting down in darkness" -- Seated on the toilet, in privacy.
"Secret study by oneself" -- Reading a magazine.
"pushing back out of the way the saddle in the air" -- To use it to urinate, men push the seat (saddle) back and out of the way, raising it literally into the air.
"a scanty quick blaze" -- Turning on the light when going at night, a tiny (scanty) fixture which blazes with light.
"will come out of a solitary place" -- Afterwards, you exit the solitary place (bathroom or stall).
"facts to pour out" -- Upon flushing, the contents pour out, which is a fact.
"which should not be believed in vain" -- But one had better check, to make sure it all went down and you don't need to flush again.
"the wand in hand" -- The flush lever. Or perhaps... never mind, it's the flush lever, trust me!
"put in the middle of the branches" -- Toilet paper, made from wood pulp (branches), gets flushed (flows into the middle) too.
"In the water it drags the limb and the foot" -- The flushing water drags it all down, "limb" = wood pulp = toilet paper again, and "foot" = feces that can be up to that length.
"and by quivering the handle" -- It's sometimes necessary to jiggle the handle.
"a fearful voice" -- The deep gurgle at the end of a successful flush
"Heavenly brilliance" -- The shining white porcelain, or perhaps that bright bathroom light again.
"the divine sit nearby." -- Yep, we all use it.
"when the litter" -- The waste material we are getting rid of by flushing.
"overturned by the whirlwind" -- The swirling and suction of the flush strongly resemble a whirlwind, and overturn the contents of the bowl.
"and of their faces are sitting on the mantle." -- Users often make faces when sitting on the covering layer (mantle), the seat.

I submit that this is a far better match to Nostradamus's prophecy than the interpretation Edy_P has offered. Every part fits, and for many phrases (including "sitting down in darkness," "pushing back out of the way the saddle in the air," "come out of a solitary place," "to pour out," "the wand in hand," "in the water it drags," "and by quivering the handle," "overturned by the whirlwind") the description of a toilet and its use is so clear and accurate as to be undeniable.

Do you see my point, Edy_P? I could, just as easily and effectively, have interpreted everything in that same passage as an account of an Apollo moon mission, or the fall of the Berlin Wall. It's easy; all it takes is a little imagination. But it means nothing.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[Slimething]

Extract (used with permission) from A New Perspective – The Bible and Nostradamus by Eddy Pengelly, pp125-6.


Isn't it quaint to see that a poster can give himself permission to use earlier drivel? I wonder how he managed it? :boggled:

[Edy_P]

I submit that this is a far better match to Nostradamus's prophecy than the interpretation Edy_P has offered. Every part fits, and for many phrases (including "sitting down in darkness," "pushing back out of the way the saddle in the air," "come out of a solitary place," "to pour out," "the wand in hand," "in the water it drags," "and by quivering the handle," "overturned by the whirlwind") the description of a toilet and its use is so clear and accurate as to be undeniable.

IF you take these three quatrains as an isolated example as you have done, then 'it all fits' (but not quite. One or two are a bit iffy).
eg. whirlpool instead of whirlwind.

But when you place your “interpretation” in context with the other quatrains that refer to the 20th century, then your interpretation is the odd one out. The ‘toilet’ concept does not fit in with the rest of the historical events and located ‘visual descriptions’.

On the other hand, when the “compact disk on a computer whose contents are viewed through a monitor when a ‘hand mouse’ is employed” are placed in context with the other Quatrains, Presages, and Illustrations made by Nostradamus – it is found that the contents of a named modern cd-rom ARE being described and illustrated.
(There is no reference to a flushing toilet on the named cd-rom.)


Isn't it quaint to see that a poster can give himself permission…..I wonder how he managed it?

If a person uses material without permission, it is a breach of copyright. The Forum rules mention this.
An author writes a book. A Publisher prints and distributes it. In most cases the Publisher as well as the author both need to give permission to use extracts.
I hope this answers your question.
Eddy Pengelly

[Slimething]

If a person uses material without permission, it is a breach of copyright. The Forum rules mention this.
An author writes a book. A Publisher prints and distributes it. In most cases the Publisher as well as the author both need to give permission to use extracts.
I hope this answers your question.
Eddy Pengelly

It really wasn't a question. I was pointing out to all concerned that you were quoting yourself, which is as bush league a move as there is. I hope this answers your question.

[arthwollipot]

Clearly, Nostradamus predicted the flush toilet, centuries before its invention!

Pwned!

[Edy_P]

.
There are many broken links in the above posts.

The correct link for evidence for the above discussions is http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au

Extra information has been included, plus visual evidence starts on page two.

Sorry for the inconvenience,
Eddy

[Edy_P]

I have finally completed amendments to my new look WBD website.

Extra information has been included, plus visual evidence starts on page two.

Link: www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au

[BlackKat]

Wow. Edy sure is persistent.

Did you know that the ancient Egyptians not only had CD-ROMs but they also had attack weasels?
http://www.ashmolean.museum/gri/chariot3.jpg

[Tokenconservative]

So, the ancient Egyptians invented compact disk digital information storage media, and proof of this can be found... carved in stone.

Ooo-Kay.

:crazy:

I would dispute this, emphatically!

Everyone knows the Ancient Egyptian culture collapsed shortly after they invented the 8-Track.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

"Nostradamus did not prophesize and have mental visions of the future - he actually learnt of future events verbally from a time traveller and by viewing the Grolier Encyclopedia historical CD-Rom."

That cheater! I knew it.

Did Nostradamus ever say anything about how to get red wine stains out of white carpeting?

I'm pretty sure that'd be covered in any good encyclopeadia....

Tokie

[BenBurch]

I would dispute this, emphatically!

Everyone knows the Ancient Egyptian culture collapsed shortly after they invented the 8-Track.

Tokie

Nonsense. I have a Stereo Cassette from a much later era;

Here it is; Gotta Let This Hen Out! by Robyn Hitchcock and The Egyptians

QED

[technoextreme]

Hey! That's the entire premise of 'Stargate' that you are questioning.

Just sayin'
Stargate the greatest television series ever to be produced off an actual kook theory.

[shadron]

Nonsense. I have a Stereo Cassette from a much later era;

Here it is; Gotta Let This Hen Out! by Robyn Hitchcock and The Egyptians

QED

While digging around in a midden under the destroyed Alexandria library a video casette was found that is claimed to have the secrets of faster-than-light travel used in the expository phase of what was billed on the label (in hieratic script) as a lost episode of "Growing Pains". Unfortunately, the casette proved to be in betamax format, and no machine could be found to review it before the tape turned to magnetic dust. A great pity.

[Beerina]

While digging around in a midden under the destroyed Alexandria library a video casette was found that is claimed to have the secrets of faster-than-light travel used in the expository phase of what was billed on the label (in hieratic script) as a lost episode of "Growing Pains". Unfortunately, the casette proved to be in betamax format, and no machine could be found to review it before the tape turned to magnetic dust. A great pity.

Odd. So someone from the future returned to 1983, pointed a camcorder at himself, then went back in time to ancient Egypt and gave it to them, but forgot to give them a VCR, TV, and power source, since they obviously did nothing with it.

[shadron]

Odd. So someone from the future returned to 1983, pointed a camcorder at himself, then went back in time to ancient Egypt and gave it to them, but forgot to give them a VCR, TV, and power source, since they obviously did nothing with it.

Must have been a teenager. They're sometimes forgetful like that.

The point I was trying to make is that there is nothing obviously basic about CDs, as ubiquitous as they are in this time and place, that would make them an obvious choice as an all-round universal way to communicate. Unless it can be shown that we based our CDs on theirs, or vice versa, then they should be as incompatible as a Chinese scholar trying to make sense of a Braille book, or one written with ultraviolet ink in Rigellian.

Of course, the whole thing is a joke....isn't it?

[Apathia]

http://72.32.2.238/forumlive/showthread.php?t=91485

[this charming man]

here is one to ponder:

Did Egyptians walk like an Egyptian because they were Egyptian, or did the Bangles go back in time and teach them to walk like that?

[fuelair]

So, the ancient Egyptians invented compact disk digital information storage media, and proof of this can be found... carved in stone.

Ooo-Kay.

:crazy:CD was no good without the player and batteries.

[Creekfreak]

I read some where a long time ago that they had found a chamber that is closed off now that had a disk in it that named the 3 people in the future that will enter that chamber in the end times .

Crazzy stuff but fun to read

[Locknar]

I read some where a long time ago that they had found a chamber that is closed off now that had a disk in it that named the 3 people in the future that will enter that chamber in the end times .

Crazzy stuff but fun to readI don't suppose it would do any good to ask for you sources would it?

I know...you'll add it to the list you are researching...the bible quote, the "$50M on IBW research", the "Governments have acknowledged BF", etc.

[INRM]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence... And that's a mighty extroardinary one.

For one: If time travelers have took information back in time with them and told people in the past what was happening in the future -- wouldn't they have been affected by the changes?

And what does "a roll of a book mean" and what does the disk in the heiroglyphics really mean?


INRM

[MG1962]

So, the ancient Egyptians invented compact disk digital information storage media, and proof of this can be found... carved in stone.

Ooo-Kay.

:crazy:

Where else would you expect to find rock music :p

[INRM]

Ladewig,

Aren't any of these explanations easier to accept than a society that refuses to send people back in time to prevent the AIDS pandemic, to install a worldwide early warning system for tsunamis, to influence key figures in the 1700's to take a strong stand against slavery and racism, or to do any of the myriad other things that would improve the lives of billions of people?

Tell me about it. What also about telling the founding fathers that in the future there would be cameras, which eventually would become located commonly in large open public places (Cities, but still outside, not inside a building) that could identify people by face (facial recognition software) and the government (FBI now) would be developing a huge biometric database so it could if it wanted, identify and track people wherever they go so our founding fathers could place a bit more elaboration on what is and what is not an unnecessary search and seizure...

While I'm at it...

What's a collective unconscious?

[Complexity]

CD's and not DVD's? Seems they're a little behind the times in their time travel stories.


PPD.

Pragmatic Prime Directive.

[billydkid]

We all travel in time and for all we know we may travel both forward and backward in it all the time - how would we know? The real question is if you can travel outside of time.

[Starthinker]

I'm not very good at time traveling. It takes me like a whole minute just to travel into the future a whole minute.

[Edy_P]

So someone from the future returned to 1983, pointed a camcorder at himself, then went back in time to ancient Egypt and gave it to them, but forgot to give them a VCR, TV, and power source, since they obviously did nothing with it.
To correct you…
Mid 1990s.
386 PC
Egyptian hieroglyphs depict compact disk, protruding tray (with circular saddle) that comes out of the side of a box (ie. CPU), and a mouse & cable.
Thus the Egyptians did see a computer taken back by time travellers.

Moses documents and describes compact disks and computer parts in his biblical accounts.
(Moses was an Egyptian priest who saw the same thing that made the ATEN a religious god.)

Moses also describes the computer transport box. It had space in its ‘third part’ to hold a bank of 20 X 12V batteries (ie. 240 volts plus an inverter).

Link: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au
.

[CapelDodger]

Stargate the greatest television series ever to be produced off an actual kook theory.

Torchwood, the greatest television series ever to be produced from an anagram.

(I'm also a big fan of SG1.)

[Dr Adequate]

Egyptian hieroglyphs depict compact disk, protruding tray (with circular saddle) that comes out of the side of a box (ie. CPU), and a mouse & cable. Please show me the hieroglyphs.

Moses documents and describes compact disks and computer parts in his biblical accounts. Please quote these descriptions.

Moses also describes the computer transport box. It had space in its ‘third part’ to hold a bank of 20 X 12V batteries (ie. 240 volts plus an inverter). Please show were Moses, or rather the author of the "Mosaic" books, says anything about a bank of 20 X 12V batteries.

---

Thank you.

[Edy_P]

Please show were Moses, or rather the author of the "Mosaic" books, says anything about a bank of 20 X 12V batteries.
He does not. I was saying that ‘Moses’ describes a computer’s transport box - which has the room for 20 X 12V batteries.

Source: pp128-135, A New Understanding, PPHC, 2006, printed version.

Egyptian hieroglyphs depict compact disk, protruding tray (with circular saddle) that comes out of the side of a box (ie. CPU), and a mouse & cable.
Source: pp95-100, A New Understanding, PPHC, 2006, printed version. (See picture of glyphs on rear cover.)

Moses documents and describes compact disks and computer parts in his biblical accounts.
Source: pp130-133, A New Understanding, PPHC, 2006, printed version.

Printed version only available in Australia.
Link to E-Book version: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/about_anu.html

[volatile]

You're funny. :)

The Bible is based on a 1990s Encyclopedia CD-ROM? Brilliant!

[BlackKat]

He does not. I was saying that ‘Moses’ describes a computer’s transport box - which has the room for 20 X 12V batteries.

Source: pp128-135, A New Understanding, PPHC, 2006, printed version.


Source: pp95-100, A New Understanding, PPHC, 2006, printed version. (See picture of glyphs on rear cover.)


Source: pp130-133, A New Understanding, PPHC, 2006, printed version.

Printed version only available in Australia.
Link to E-Book version: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/about_anu.html

You can't self quote yourself as evidence.

If I say "I am the emperor of the planet." Then when you say "No you're not.", me replying, "Yes I am, look right here"
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=89167

[pchams]

Great.
Another thread for Edy_P to flog his wares.... :rolleyes:

[Jimcalagon]

From Edy P's site...

Certain modern history books including three compact disks were used by these messengers.
In several cases these disks were described as 'tablets', 'stones', 'a roll of a book', 'magic circles', or 'plates', along with the box (ark) in which they were transported.
The apparatus (altar, seat, table/board, oracle) upon which they were placed and the hand-held tool (staff, rod, or magic wand) that was used to evoke the information from within were often also included in the prophet's chronicles of the encounter (now a religious story). (emphasis mine)

So now we know - it was actually a Nintendo Wii which was taken back in time. And the Greek Olympics were started in imitation of Wii Sports!

[bjb]

Great.
Another thread for Edy_P to flog his wares.... :rolleyes:

Exactly! I went to the introductory page of his site and since I was given a yes/no choice as to enter the main website, I decided I couldn't take it so I clicked 'no'. Instead of closing the window, it took me to a page where I could buy his e-books!

[H3LL]

Great.
Another thread for Edy_P to flog his wares.... :rolleyes:

Exactly! I went to the introductory page of his site and since I was given a yes/no choice as to enter the main website, I decided I couldn't take it so I clicked 'no'. Instead of closing the window, it took me to a page where I could buy his e-books!

Be fair...He was invited by the OP and has come here.

BTW if it's his own book there shouldn't be a problem with him posting his evidence.

Edy_P, you should consider donating a copy of your book to the JREF library. It will have excellent company.

The inventory of the library will be listed on the JREF main site soon.

.

[Edy_P]

Evidence that 'Angels' were Time Travellers

Between 1996 and 2002 in AUSTRALIA, a Queensland researcher named Ronald Pegg discovered evidence of modern computer technology and descriptions of compact disks and their imagery in many of the world's ancient stories, legends, and texts - and found that
Certain noted Angels giving 'visions of the future' who were documented in the sacred texts of the Hebrew, Christian, Muslim, and Mormon faiths (and others) - were not of a divine origin.

They were actually human chrononauts taking back warning messages concerning false religions, details of certain historical and astronomical events, and a chronology regarding a future war. Those technological time travellers were misunderstood and perceived as 'Angels'.


Also, the reported ancient gods of the Middle East including the Egyptian gods and the GOD of the Creation Legend (aka. Yahweh or Allah), the gods of classical Greece and Rome (and many other legends from around the world), plus the Son of GOD (aka. Jesus) - do not refer to divine beings.

The concept of 'god(s)' was an unfortunate side effect of the Time Travellers' visits to the past, where either the chrononauts themselves were perceived as 'god(s)' or what they were showing and telling became perceived as being 'of the god(s)'.


To correct these misunderstandings Time Travellers told biblical prophets (such as Moses, Daniel and John) the cause and source of those religions and when their origins would be revealed, being around the time of the foretold 'future world war'.

Ronald Pegg asserted that
Ancient documented encounters with certain 'Gods' or 'Angels' were accounts of targeted visits to the past by human Time Travellers;
Those encounters often sparked new Religions or spawned new Belief Systems because the Time Travellers were misunderstood and perceived as either Gods or Angels;
They took back with them specific history books to warn of false religions by describing a series of associated astronomical and historical events leading to a future 'world war'.
WORLD BREAKING DISCOVERIES presents News Headlines and Reports revealing astounding evidence that includes where reports of time travellers and their equipment appear in ancient texts
the identity of the modern history books taken back
which prophets had personal encounters with time travellers
where these prophets document the contents of those history books
and reveals the particular historical and astronomical events documented in the Bible (known as SIGNS)
which religions are based upon these encounters, and
the location and date of the foretold war (as documented in Daniel and Revelations)
Link to Reports: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au

[boloboffin]

Wow. Imagine what terrible religious wars the time-travelers may have actually averted instead of the ones we actually had!

[Magenta]

And the conspiracy is...?

[Gravy]

While I appreciate the "not quite crazy but working on it" font scheme, I have asked that this thread be moved to the General Skepticism and Paranormal subforum.

[Magenta]

Thanks Gravy, I was about to do the same though I would have booted it to Religion.

Why do these nutters have to come from Queensland? At least we managed to get rid of Ken Ham.

[Unsecured Coins]

that's odd. I asked it to be moved to humor

[Denver]

I wonder if he's also an Erich von Däniken fan?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Between 1996 and 2002 in AUSTRALIA, a Queensland researcher named Ronald Pegg discovered evidence of modern computer technology and descriptions of compact disks and their imagery in many of the world's ancient stories, legends, and texts

Some future society will develop a technology that can burst the bonds of time and space, but they never get beyond using compact discs as a storage medium?

[PhantomWolf]

:spam1:spam3:spam2:spam4:spam5

:tank::tank: but no :bigtank::bigtank:

[Viper Daimao]

Actually, I think he could be right on this one guys... (http://gawker.com/347381/i-am-legend-predicts-giants+patriots-superbowl-will-smith-now-most-powerful-scientologist)

[GreNME]

From the site:Copyright 1996 to 2002 by Ronald Pegg. Copyright 2002 to 2006 by Eddy Pengelly. Copyright 2007, 2008 World Breaking Discvoveries.


Spamming boards is no way to go through life, son.

[GwionX]

I wonder if he's also an Erich von Däniken fan?


Or perhaps a Jean Claude Van Damme Fan.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/gwion/timecop.jpg

[StoneWT]

Wow, he must have been smoking the wacky weed to come up with that garbage. It's sad that there is actually a market for it.

[1337m4n]

I just want to know how they solved the problem of Paradox. The SLIGHTEST error would have prevented them from having gone back in time in the first place, thus causing the entire universe to collapse in on itself.

Or so I heard in "Back to the Future".

[Slayhamlet]

So the chrononauts tried to steer mankind away from "false religions" by giving warnings to certain men, but in the process convinced these men to found what would be, perforce, false religions? Are all people from the future such dithering idiots?

[madurobob]

Edy_P, you've already done this here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=91485), haven't you? A couple of months ago?

why are you back now with the same crap and in a new thread?

(or is this one of your nifty time-travel tricks?)

[Walter Ego]

While I appreciate the "not quite crazy but working on it" font scheme, I have asked that this thread be moved to the General Skepticism and Paranormal subforum.

How about time traveling it to a future date? ;-)

[Brainache]

I'm sure it was a great idea for a Sci Fi story the first hundred times or so that someone came up with it, now... not so much.

Go read "The Technicolor Time Machine" by Harry Harrison. A classic.

[arthwollipot]

Wasn't there already a thread on this last year sometime?

[cisco]

Go read "The Technicolor Time Machine" by Harry Harrison. A classic.

Is it better than Starsmashers of the Galaxy Rangers? That one had cheddite, which is going to be hard to beat.


There is a technical fault with this thread so I've closed it, we hope to resume normal service as soon as possible. (And the cheddite projector is hard to beat!)


A working copy of this thread can be found here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=106169&

[Brainache]

Is it better than Starsmashers of the Galaxy Rangers? That one had cheddite, which is going to be hard to beat.

I like both of them. If you liked Star Smashers you'll probably like TTM.

[Pixel42]

Be fair...He was invited by the OP and has come here
My profound apologies.

Wasn't there already a thread on this last year sometime?
Well I started this thread in August, so it may be this one you're thinking of, but another one was started independently shortly after. There's a link to it above (post #15).

[arthwollipot]

Well I started this thread in August, so it may be this one you're thinking of, but another one was started independently shortly after. There's a link to it above (post #15).Yes, that was the one.

[Panoply_Prefect]

http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au


My god, you are linking to a page that actually gave me a "Oh, this is a first"-moment. This is the first webpage I've ever encountered where you need to read and comply to terms of conditions, just to read the friggin page. And its not just some short texts, its a bloody EULA.

Guess the breaking discoveries need a lot of protection.

[yodaluver28]

It might be spam, but it was easily the biggest laugh I've had all week and that's gotta be worth something.

[peteweaver]

The ancient race of time lords from the Planet Gallifrey, had a number of Renegades, most notably a time lord called the Master, who after destroying the Logopolitans of Logopolis, used their secrets to endanger the entire universe.

He was stopped by another time lord called The Doctor, who sacrificed a regeneration, in order to stop him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho


I'm a big fan of doctor who, (hence the 3d dalek in my avatar)
This is a picture of The Doctor's Tardis, I made with a 3d design prog:
http://www.iridescent-designs.co.uk/images/tardisflight.jpg

[CptColumbo]

A year before each of the prequel Star Wars movies came out I buried time capsules with a note asking that when time travel is discovered that a copy of each be sent to me prior to the release date of the movie. I repeated the process for Superman Returns. Since, I received nothing, I can only see it as evidence that time travel will never exist or the people of the future are jerks.

IIRC one cannot time travel to a point prior to the invention of the mechanism used.

[GStan]

A year before each of the prequel Star Wars movies came out I buried time capsules with a note asking that when time travel is discovered that a copy of each be sent to me prior to the release date of the movie. I repeated the process for Superman Returns. Since, I received nothing, I can only see it as evidence that time travel will never exist or the people of the future are jerks.

IIRC one cannot time travel to a point prior to the invention of the mechanism used.

Yeah, but other than that one limitation, time travel happens all the time.

[Drudgewire]

The best part is that yesterday this website didn't exist, but you'll never know it because I just went back in time and scattered all that stuff around there this morning. :cool:

[Checkmite]

"Chrononauts"? I think any future potential time-travelers would be deterred knowing they faced being called "chrononauts".

[Blue Monk]

All this proves to me is that people of the future are idiots.

Who would take CD's back into a time when there were no computors.

Time Traveler 1 to Time Traveler 2: Hey! Where do I plug in my electric razor?

[uk_dave]

All this proves to me is that people of the future are idiots.

Who would take CD's back into a time when there were no computors.

Time Traveler 1 to Time Traveler 2: Hey! Where do I plug in my electric razor?

or more importantly....

"..where can I plug this thing to recharge the flux capacitor?"

[Edy_P]

"Chrononauts"? I think any future potential time-travelers would be deterred knowing they faced being called "chrononauts".

chrono - comb form of Greek word khrónos (meaning) ‘time’.
naut - Greek word nautēs (meaning) ‘sailor’.

Chrononaut = time + sailor. ie. a traveller who travels on a ‘ship’ through time.
.

[Brainache]

chrono - comb form of Greek word khrónos (meaning) ‘time’.
naut - Greek word nautēs (meaning) ‘sailor’.

Chrononaut = time + sailor. ie. a traveller who travels on a ‘ship’ through time.
.
Like the Argonauts? But the Argo was the name of their ship, not the ocean.

Anyway I think that because I live in Australia and Australia is a continent which is drifting slowly northwards, I should call myself an Austonaut.

[Tomblvd]

chrono - comb form of Greek word khrónos (meaning) ‘time’.
naut - Greek word nautēs (meaning) ‘sailor’.

Chrononaut = time + sailor. ie. a traveller who travels on a ‘ship’ through time.
.


Deep.

Did you think of that all by yourself?

[Nogbad]

I rarely enter the conspiracy area - this thread is a useful aid memoir as to why.

[ktesibios]

Here's the explanation:

Minus Y2K- The Bug that Toppled Egypt (http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Desert/3481/minusy2k.html)

No time travelers, just a labor-management dispute and some badly written code.

[1337m4n]

chrono - comb form of Greek word khrónos (meaning) ‘time’.
naut - Greek word nautēs (meaning) ‘sailor’.

Chrononaut = time + sailor. ie. a traveller who travels on a ‘ship’ through time.
.

It's also a card game. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrononauts)

[I'll_buy_that]

I just want to know how they solved the problem of Paradox. ...".

Paradox?!?!!?!?! Man, they were using some old tech :D


seriously, aren't we all chrononauts?

[Brainache]

Something funny going on here. I blame the Chrononautical touristas.

[Alferd_Packer]

Who was the guy that tried to run the time traveler scam/hoax a few years back?

He built a time machine in an old car. . . .?

[Foolmewunz]

Eddy,

Why is it that the only results for "Ronald Pegg" (and or Ron Pegg) & "Queensland" are either your spam on twenty or thirty different sites or bloggers quoting your spam?

Just asking, ya know? Could it be that you're Ronald Pegg? The bookstore is copyrighted to your name, so I assume you're also "WorldShatteringBlahBlah" or whatever it's called.

So, I will theorize conclude* that you invented this batcrap crazy idea (admit it, you don't really believe this nonsense, do you?) and figured you could give it credence by making a totally bogus appeal to authority, claiming it was from a "Researcher", and then you spend five years flogging it around the various web forums and suckering people into your private snake oil pitches.

Why isn't such a noted "researcher" listed in any of the educational institutions in Queensland. Why hasn't he been published (other than your shoddy vanity press routine)? Why haven't the hometown papers picked up on his fame?

WHERE'S HIS C.V.? WHERE ARE HIS CREDENTIALS?



*Conclusion - based on your definition. I came, I saw, I researched, and I reached a conclusion. We can close this thread now or move it over to the Spam Sub-Forum. Oh, rats! We don't have a Spam Sub-Forum. We should, or we should broaden our interpretaiton of spam, frankly. This is more intricate than most, and he was invited over, more or less.... but this is spam, pure and simple. Eddy/Ron will be back right about in time for the release of his next e-book, sometime this year.

[Foolmewunz]

Eddy,

Why is it that the only results for "Ronald Pegg" (and or Ron Pegg) & "Queensland" are either your spam on twenty or thirty different sites or bloggers quoting your spam?

Just asking, ya know? Could it be that you're Ronald Pegg? The bookstore is copyrighted to your name, so I assume you're also "WorldShatteringBlahBlah" or whatever it's called.

So, I will theorize conclude* that you invented this batcrap crazy idea (admit it, you don't really believe this nonsense, do you?) and figured you could give it credence by making a totally bogus appeal to authority, claiming it was from a "Researcher", and then you spend five years flogging it around the various web forums and suckering people into your private snake oil pitches.

Why isn't such a noted "researcher" listed in any of the educational institutions in Queensland. Why hasn't he been published (other than your shoddy vanity press routine)? Why haven't the hometown papers picked up on his fame?

WHERE'S HIS C.V.? WHERE ARE HIS CREDENTIALS?



*Conclusion - based on your definition. I came, I saw, I researched, and I reached a conclusion. We can close this thread now or move it over to the Spam Sub-Forum. Oh, rats! We don't have a Spam Sub-Forum. We should, or we should broaden our interpretaiton of spam, frankly. This is more intricate than most, and he was invited over, more or less.... but this is spam, pure and simple. Eddy/Ron will be back right about in time for the release of his next e-book, sometime this year.

[Darat]

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