Has Gonzo Really Left The Building

[OldSchool]

Can any of the NWO ops confirm whether Alberto Gonzales has really resigned.


If he has what could this potentially mean for future investigation of 911. Since there hasn't been an investigation of any kind, by the Justice Department since he took over, where to begin? The new Attorney General should possibly consider sitting down with former NIST Chief James Quintiere Ph.D.


Now that the Justice Department has lost there last weak link have to wonder who else is going to jump ship before the investigations really begin.

[Drudgewire]

If he has, maybe it was so he could spend more time his brother Alberto... who people have heard of. ;)

[Alt+F4]

As your friendly neighborhood NWO spokesperson, yes I can confirm that Attorney General Gonzalez has indeed resigned. BTW, his name is Alberto, not Robert. Can't you do even the most basic research?

[HyJinX]

Can any of the NWO ops confirm whether Robert Gonzales has really resigned.


If he has what could this potentially mean for future investigation of 911. Since there hasn't been an investigation of any kind, by the Justice Department since he took over, where to begin? The new Attorney General should possibly consider sitting down with former NIST Chief James Quintiere Ph.D.


Now that the Justice Department has lost there last weak link have to wonder who else is going to jump ship before the investigations really begin.

The new Attorney General is likely to be Michael Chertoff. I guess you'll need to wait for a little while longer on that new, independent investigation. :rolleyes:

[Sword_Of_Truth]

What's with the new thread, OldSchool?

We're still waiting for you to finish this one. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=90440&page=4)

[Alareth]

Now that the Justice Department has lost there last weak link have to wonder who else is going to jump ship before the investigations really begin.


I've yet to see a reason to have any new investigation. After six years, the truth movement has not come up with any evidence that stands up to investigation.

[slyjoe]

What's with the new thread, OldSchool?

We're still waiting for you to finish this one. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=90440&page=4)

Yea, like he'll respond. He says he knows the NSA of 1947 by heart, but refuses to cite the part that says anyone with a clearance is a member of the CIA.

I'm still waiting for my CIA check. :)

[Digest]

let this be a lesson to everyone -- this is what happens when you don't pay your dues.... :cool:

Dont let it happen to you!

[OldSchool]

Yea, like he'll respond. He says he knows the NSA of 1947 by heart, but refuses to cite the part that says anyone with a clearance is a member of the CIA.

I'm still waiting for my CIA check. :)

Having a Security clearance isn't the same as information shared by the National Security Council with select members of Congress. This is part of the structure of the CIA as they're expected to report to Congress. The last I checked these members of congress have to abide by the rules established for CIA secrecy. If you are receiving reports from an institution and following the institutions most basic rules, you're member of that institution.

[SpitfireIX]

Can any of the NWO ops confirm whether Alberto Gonzales has really resigned.


Yes, we just had an encrypted NWO bulletin, er, I mean, I heard his announcement this morning on National Public Radio.

If he has what could this potentially mean for future investigation of 911. Since there hasn't been an investigation of any kind, by the Justice Department since he took over, where to begin?


The FBI's three-year investigation was winding down when Gonzales took office. Why should he have launched a new one?

The new Attorney General should possibly consider sitting down with former NIST Chief James Quintiere Ph.D.


Quintiere was head of NIST's Fire Science Division; he was not head of NIST itself, as you imply. Further, you still evidently haven't grasped the fact that Quintiere does not support any conspiracy theory; he merely questions some of NIST's conclusions about how the towers' structures failed from impact damage and fire. He does not question the fact that they failed because of the impact damage and fire.

Now that the Justice Department has lost there last weak link have to wonder who else is going to jump ship before the investigations really begin.


News flash--there's not going to be a new investigation, because there is no real evidence of an "inside job." Such evidence exists only in the fantasies of conspiracists.

[~enigma~]

Can any of the NWO ops confirm whether Alberto Gonzales has really resigned.


If he has what could this potentially mean for future investigation of 911. Since there hasn't been an investigation of any kind, by the Justice Department since he took over, where to begin? The new Attorney General should possibly consider sitting down with former NIST Chief James Quintiere Ph.D.


Now that the Justice Department has lost there last weak link have to wonder who else is going to jump ship before the investigations really begin.
I am the official NWO Liaison (just look at my icon - icons on the internet never lie), the news about Alberto's demise is premature :)

[OldSchool]

Quintiere was head of NIST's Fire Science Division; he was not head of NIST itself, as you imply. Further, you still evidently haven't grasped the fact that Quintiere does not support any conspiracy theory; he merely questions some of NIST's conclusions about how the towers' structures failed from impact damage and fire. He does not question the fact that they failed because of the impact damage and fire.


Dr. Quintiere, one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, also encouraged his audience of fellow researchers and engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses. “I hope to convince you to perhaps become ‘Conspiracy Theorists’, but in a proper way,” he said.

Dr. Quintiere said he originally “had high hopes” that NIST would do a good job with the investigation. “They’re the central government lab for fire. There are good people there and they can do a good job. But what I also thought they would do is to enlist the service of the ATF , which has an investigation force and a laboratory of their own for fire. And I thought they would put people out on the street and get gumshoe-type information. What prevented all of this? I think it’s the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. [B]And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.”

He speaks very candidly, I really like this man.

[Alt+F4]

First Rumsfeld, then Rove, now Gonzales...gosh Bush is doing a lousy job destroying the Constitution, declaring martial law and taking over the world (and nearby star systems).

[Drudgewire]

First Rumsfeld, then Rove, now Gonzales...gosh Bush is doing a lousy job destroying the Constitution, declaring martial law and taking over the world (and nearby star systems).
Thank God for the truth movement who keeps them from enacting their evil plans. :p

[HyJinX]

Gonzales quit because he feared the release of Loose Change - Final Cut. Same goes for Rove. THIS IS HUGE!! THEY'RE STARTING TO WAKE UP!!!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT. THE FIGHT FOR TRUTH. WE'RE WINNING!

[~enigma~]

Quintiere was head of NIST's Fire Science Division; he was not head of NIST itself, as you imply. Further, you still evidently haven't grasped the fact that Quintiere does not support any conspiracy theory; he merely questions some of NIST's conclusions about how the towers' structures failed from impact damage and fire. He does not question the fact that they failed because of the impact damage and fire.


Dr. Quintiere, one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, also encouraged his audience of fellow researchers and engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses. “I hope to convince you to perhaps become ‘Conspiracy Theorists’, but in a proper way,” he said.

Dr. Quintiere said he originally “had high hopes” that NIST would do a good job with the investigation. “They’re the central government lab for fire. There are good people there and they can do a good job. But what I also thought they would do is to enlist the service of the ATF , which has an investigation force and a laboratory of their own for fire. And I thought they would put people out on the street and get gumshoe-type information. What prevented all of this? I think it’s the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. [B]And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.”

He speaks very candidly, I really like this man.
What the...you don't go way of topic into left field much do you?

[Viper Daimao]

Can any of the NWO ops confirm whether Alberto Gonzales has really resigned.

Can I just ask, was this said in jest, or in seriousness? I mean, I assume you don't think people posting here are paid members of some vast world wide conspiracy, but I've seen serious accusations before so I want to make sure.

[Pardalis]

Can any of the NWO ops confirm whether Alberto Gonzales has really resigned.


The NWO doesn't exist.

[funk de fino]

Having a Security clearance isn't the same as information shared by the National Security Council with select members of Congress. This is part of the structure of the CIA as they're expected to report to Congress. The last I checked these members of congress have to abide by the rules established for CIA secrecy. If you are receiving reports from an institution and following the institutions most basic rules, you're member of that institution.

You said CIA agent?

They are not CIA agents

Wrong again

[Drudgewire]

The NOW order doesn't exist.
No one heeded the warnings leading up to 9/11 because they were too busy putting on make-up in their rearview mirrors. :D

[Pardalis]

If he has what could this potentially mean for future investigation of 911.

I thought you wanted an independant investigation?

The new Attorney General should possibly consider sitting down with former NIST Chief James Quintiere Ph.D.M. Quintiere is not the "NIST Chief", he's from the faculty of the Department of Fire Protection Engineering. He was chief of NIST's Fire Science and Engineering Division until 1989.

http://www.enfp.umd.edu/faculty-profiles/quintiere.html.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The NOW order doesn't exist.



Who is out there promoting lesbianism and witchcraft if there is no National Organization of Women?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Quintiere was head of NIST's Fire Science Division; he was not head of NIST itself, as you imply. Further, you still evidently haven't grasped the fact that Quintiere does not support any conspiracy theory; he merely questions some of NIST's conclusions about how the towers' structures failed from impact damage and fire. He does not question the fact that they failed because of the impact damage and fire.


Dr. Quintiere, one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, also encouraged his audience of fellow researchers and engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses. “I hope to convince you to perhaps become ‘Conspiracy Theorists’, but in a proper way,” he said.

Dr. Quintiere said he originally “had high hopes” that NIST would do a good job with the investigation. “They’re the central government lab for fire. There are good people there and they can do a good job. But what I also thought they would do is to enlist the service of the ATF , which has an investigation force and a laboratory of their own for fire. And I thought they would put people out on the street and get gumshoe-type information. What prevented all of this? I think it’s the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. [B]And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.”

He speaks very candidly, I really like this man.

You really like him, but you don't believe a single bloody thing he says?

Most of us don't like people we believe are lying through their teeth at us.

[~enigma~]

I thought you wanted an independant investigation?

M. Quintiere is not the "NIST Chief", he's from the faculty of the Department of Fire Protection Engineering. He was chief of NIST's Fire Science and Engineering Division until 1989.

http://www.enfp.umd.edu/faculty-profiles/quintiere.html.
You are wasting your time. This is a woo firmly entrenched into 2002.

[Björn Toulouse]

No one heeded the warnings leading up to 9/11 because they were too busy putting on make-up in their rearview mirrors. :D




You mean they were "farding"?

[Sabrina]

Having a Security clearance isn't the same as information shared by the National Security Council with select members of Congress. This is part of the structure of the CIA as they're expected to report to Congress. The last I checked these members of congress have to abide by the rules established for CIA secrecy. If you are receiving reports from an institution and following the institutions most basic rules, you're member of that institution.

They have to abide by the rules for having a security clearance; they're the same across the board, depending on the level of clearance you have. The basic two rules are, does the person you are speaking to have 1) the necessary clearance for the information, and 2) the need to know the information. The CIA is no different in this respect than DIA, NSA, NRO, NGA, etc etc etc. Those members of Congress who receive the reports from the CIA have both the necessary clearances AND a need to know, as they are responsible for regulating national security. That does not make them a member of the CIA. They are being paid by the government, not the CIA. Your reasoning is flawed.

[T.A.M.]

I wonder how on earth the evil neocon Cabal can go on now with only Cheney, BUSH, and Rice left...and how did such an all powerful evil Cabal allow so many of their top people leave...tsk tsk tsk...stupid Cabal.

TAM;)

[Mr. Skinny]

They have to abide by the rules for having a security clearance; they're the same across the board, depending on the level of clearance you have. The basic two rules are, does the person you are speaking to have 1) the necessary clearance for the information, and 2) the need to know the information. The CIA is no different in this respect than DIA, NSA, NRO, NGA, etc etc etc. Those members of Congress who receive the reports from the CIA have both the necessary clearances AND a need to know, as they are responsible for regulating national security. That does not make them a member of the CIA. They are being paid by the government, not the CIA. Your reasoning is flawed.
I see Sabrina has been attending her mandatory quarterly security briefings.

As an attendee at over 95 such briefings, I can attest to her accuracy. In fact, much like the real security briefings I've attended, I nearly fell asleep reading her post. :D

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

So why is this in CT? Shouldn't it be in Politics?

[Viper Daimao]

Yes it should, but oldschool seems to think it's somehow relevant to the conspriacy theorists. As if Gonzalez resigning was somehow caused by, or will have any impact on the 9/11 "truth" movement.

Or maybe he was serious and wanted our nWo expert insider opinion, I dunno.

[T.A.M.]

I think it is related to the 9/11 CTs in this regard.

Part of the 9/11 truther CT premise is that the Neocons are some super powerful, evil, power thirsty group of conservatives out for nothing more than wealth and power, at any expense...this includes their plotting and carrying out of the 9/11 attacks.

Over the last year we have seen Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Rove, and others all leave the adminstration/Neocon power grid...so where does that leave their theory??? Seems to me if these neocons wanted to keep power, they would not resign.

TAM:)

[Sabrina]

I see Sabrina has been attending her mandatory quarterly security briefings.

As an attendee at over 95 such briefings, I can attest to her accuracy. In fact, much like the real security briefings I've attended, I nearly fell asleep reading her post. :D

You ain't kidding.

I nearly fell asleep typing it! :D

[tacodaemon]

Well, last time Gonzales and I were having a sauna bath at the NWO gym, he told me that announcing your retirement from active government service is a prerequisite for using the extra-special services at Bohemian Grove. He was ticked off that that danged Karl Rove got to spend a whole weekend surrounded by the Swedish Bikini Team at the Grove grotto (modeled on Hef's own grotto) before even letting him in on the secret.

[Bob Klase]

If you are receiving reports from an institution and following the institutions most basic rules, you're member of that institution.

No you're not. Now you're just making stuff up.

[Slayhamlet]

Stupidest OldSkool thread to date. And that's saying a lot.

[Sabrina]

Bump for OldSchool; still waiting to see his response to what I said about security clearance info.

[OldSchool]

There is a huge difference between a clearance and a member of congress. The Director of National Security doesn't actually work in the field and he only receives reports from who is directly under his command The Deputy Director. The national security council only reports to there superiors at there discretion. A select members of congress also receive reports from the Director of the CIA. Although these members of congress do not serve on the National Security Council they're still members of the CIA. The Director of the CIA doesn't have a vote when the council makes a decision, he doesn't work in the field as an agent. So how is he any different than a member of congress or the President when he reports to them. Could easily make an argument even the President is a member of the CIA or any other intelligence agency.

[pomeroo]

Quintiere was head of NIST's Fire Science Division; he was not head of NIST itself, as you imply. Further, you still evidently haven't grasped the fact that Quintiere does not support any conspiracy theory; he merely questions some of NIST's conclusions about how the towers' structures failed from impact damage and fire. He does not question the fact that they failed because of the impact damage and fire.


Dr. Quintiere, one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, also encouraged his audience of fellow researchers and engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses. “I hope to convince you to perhaps become ‘Conspiracy Theorists’, but in a proper way,” he said.

Dr. Quintiere said he originally “had high hopes” that NIST would do a good job with the investigation. “They’re the central government lab for fire. There are good people there and they can do a good job. But what I also thought they would do is to enlist the service of the ATF , which has an investigation force and a laboratory of their own for fire. And I thought they would put people out on the street and get gumshoe-type information. What prevented all of this? I think it’s the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. [B]And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.”

He speaks very candidly, I really like this man.


You say you really like this man, but you will soon change your tune. That's a promise.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Could easily make an argument even the President is a member of the CIA or any other intelligence agency.

Has anyone else noticed that the phrase "an argument could be made" is alot like "just asking questions" in the sense that it allows someone to say something absolutely retarded without being held responsible for it?

[Mr. Skinny]

Could easily make an argument even the President is a member of the CIA or any other intelligence agency.
You could make this argument, but you'd be wrong.


And yes, SOT, I did notice.

[Sabrina]

*facepalm*

Oy... I won't even bother explaining the many levels on which you are so completely wrong, OldSchool; I think I'll just sit over here and marvel at your denseness instead. It's on a level with Stundie and Malcom; it's THAT epic.

[dudalb]

HIs accusing the CIA of stealing one of his Colllege Papers is just classic.

[Drudgewire]

HIs accusing the CIA of stealing one of his Colllege Papers is just classic.
Eh, he said it was a joke. I'm all for piling on, but let's leave the out of context stuff to the other side.

We're better than that. http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/angel.gif

[jaydeehess]

OldSchool, how about addressing the fact that Quintere states that he DOES NOT believe, sees no reason to suspect, the use of explosives in the collapse of any buildings on 9/11.

Still like the guy?

While you're at it, how about quoting the part of the NSA of 1947 that backs up your contention that the members of Congress who receive CIA docuements being considered members of the CIA.

You have been asked many times for that and fail to do so. Instead you simply reiterate your contention. Saying it many many times does not make it so.

[Darth Rotor]

If you are receiving reports from an institution and following the institutions most basic rules, you're member of that institution.
Nope.
There is a huge difference between a clearance and a member of congress.
Yes. One is a level of access to classified material based on administrative and legal procedure, the other is a human being.
The Director of National Security doesn't actually work in the field and he only receives reports from who is directly under his command The Deputy Director. The national security council only reports to there superiors at there discretion.
The Director of National Security works for the Executive Branch of the Government. {Note: "Their," not "there."}
A select members of congress also receive reports from the Director of the CIA.
Correct. This is known as Congressional oversight.
Although these members of congress do not serve on the National Security Council they're still members of the CIA.
Nope. As I pointed out to you the last time you aired this idiocy, members of Congress are in the Legislative Branch, and therefore do not work for the Executive Branch. See the US Constitution, Articles One through Four, for details, as I showed you last time. This time, read the darned thing.
The Director of the CIA doesn't have a vote when the council makes a decision, he doesn't work in the field as an agent.
The CEO of Toytoa USA, Mr Press, does not weld sheet metal on a daily basis, but he still is in charge of Toyota. Your non sequitur is remarkable for its self confusion.
So how is he any different than a member of congress or the President when he reports to them.
The CIA is a part of the executive branch of the Government, subject to the direction of the President, and Congress' members are in the Legislative Branch, not subject to the direction of the President. It is that simple.
Could easily make an argument even the President is a member of the CIA or any other intelligence agency.
No. When I was in the Navy, I spent some time working with the USAF on some Joint Training Projects, and with the Army on some helicopter development projects. That did not make me an Air Force officer, nor an Army officer. I remained a Naval Officer.

To hold a clearance does not make you part of the CIA. I held a TS/SI clearance, was a Naval Officer, had to work (for a few months) on and off with some folks from "that Other Agency" as we called them. I was never at any time a member of the CIA.

You have now been shown, twice, (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2886461&postcount=100) by me, the simplicity of the structure and how badly you have mangled your understanding. When I knocked your rubbish back into the dumpster last time, you failed to respond.

You did tell us a whopper about your report in school being seized by federal agents after your teacher gave you an A.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2895883&postcount=125


I did recieve an A the final report, which I completed detailing the CIA's most horrific deeds, was seized by federal agents moments after she was done grading it.
========snip===========

"It's only wrong if you get caught" Tool
You are wrong, and you have been caught. Please stop making a tool of yourself.

DR

[Slayhamlet]

There is a huge difference between a clearance and a member of congress. The Director of National Security doesn't actually work in the field and he only receives reports from who is directly under his command The Deputy Director. The national security council only reports to there superiors at there discretion. A select members of congress also receive reports from the Director of the CIA. Although these members of congress do not serve on the National Security Council they're still members of the CIA. The Director of the CIA doesn't have a vote when the council makes a decision, he doesn't work in the field as an agent. So how is he any different than a member of congress or the President when he reports to them. Could easily make an argument even the President is a member of the CIA or any other intelligence agency.

And the thread just got stupider...

[Viper Daimao]

I get the feeling like old school made a hasty error in calling Edwards a member of the CIA and instead of saying "my bad" here's what I really meant like the rest of us might, he keeps digging and invents this total different reality where his absurd claim is correct.

[jaydeehess]

I get the feeling like old school made a hasty error in calling Edwards a member of the CIA and instead of saying "my bad" here's what I really meant like the rest of us might, he keeps digging and invents this total different reality where his absurd claim is correct.

That crossed my mind as well.

I also have trouble with his claim that his professors had no trouble with his massacre of the written language. Perhaps he over stated his accomplishments in the post high school education claims too.


{ OldSchool might note that in the sentence above, my use of the form "too", is correct. If I had stated "He claims too have written university essays on the subject of the CIA charter", the form "too" would be incorrect, and should be written as "to". Although it would be correct to write, ""He claims too, that he has written university essays on the subject of the CIA charter"

The forms of the homonym , there, their and they're also have distinct, and very separate, meanings.

It is not that I have a particular need for internet posts to be absolutly correct. It is just that when one claims to be accomplished in writing essays or papers then I do expect a better use of the language from that person. When such a person fails to illustrate concern about proper writing it lessens that person's credibility. That is my own opinion though }

[CptColumbo]

Nope.

Yes. One is a level of access to classified material based on administrative and legal procedure, the other is a human being.

The Director of National Security works for the Executive Branch of the Government. {Note: "Their," not "there."}

Correct. This is known as Congressional oversight.

Nope. As I pointed out to you the last time you aired this idiocy, members of Congress are in the Legislative Branch, and therefore do not work for the Executive Branch. See the US Constitution, Articles One through Four, for details, as I showed you last time. This time, read the darned thing.

The CEO of Toytoa USA, Mr Press, does not weld sheet metal on a daily basis, but he still is in charge of Toyota. Your non sequitur is remarkable for its self confusion.

The CIA is a part of the executive branch of the Government, subject to the direction of the President, and Congress' members are in the Legislative Branch, not subject to the direction of the President. It is that simple.

No. When I was in the Navy, I spent some time working with the USAF on some Joint Training Projects, and with the Army on some helicopter development projects. That did not make me an Air Force officer, nor an Army officer. I remained a Naval Officer.

To hold a clearance does not make you part of the CIA. I held a TS/SI clearance, was a Naval Officer, had to work (for a few months) on and off with some folks from "that Other Agency" as we called them. I was never at any time a member of the CIA.

You have now been shown, twice, (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2886461&postcount=100) by me, the simplicity of the structure and how badly you have mangled your understanding. When I knocked your rubbish back into the dumpster last time, you failed to respond.

You did tell us a whopper about your report in school being seized by federal agents after your teacher gave you an A.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2895883&postcount=125


You are wrong, and you have been caught. Please stop making a tool of yourself.

DRTo be more specific and IIRC the CIA is under the NSA, which is a part of the Department of Defense. DR can correct me if I'm wrong on that.

[Sabrina]

As I understand it, the CIA and NSA are two separate and independent intelligence agencies who BOTH answer to DHS and DoD. Neither answers to the other, the main reason for that being that their organizational missions are extremely different.

NSA Mission (http://www.nsa.gov/about/about00003.cfm)

CIA mission (https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/cia-vision-mission-values/index.html)

Hope that helps.