WeAreChange / Union Square: Split from: An Open Letter to John Schroeder, 9/11 firefi

[Young Union Square]

How about you and your buddies quit talkin ***** and go to DC and demand a new investigation? You truthers claim to have FDNY and NYPD members on your side, scientists on your side, 80+% of the population on your side, yet you can't put together a march/protest/demonstration in DC with more than 100,000? How about 10,000? 1,000?

Look, although I am a member of a 9/11 TRUTH group, and I've been up on this stuff the past 3 years, I'm not a reacher. Meaning, im not gonna "reach" for things that I know arent true just to make my points look more valid. I know a majority of these polls that show most people support 9/11 truth, get flooded by internet truthers. I know a majority of the American population believes the official story. I'm not gonna ***** u guys, you seem to be pretty intelligent for the most part. However, the majority of foreigners I speak to believe the opposite, think about the powerful propaganda machine we as Americans are up against, probably more sophisticated than anything the Nazi's could come up with. So I could understand why most people wont go with any alternative theories right off the bat. But like I said I'm at Union Sq every saturday and if you want any evidence for yourselves, you can come whenever you like and see the minds we change. Not everyone, its naive to sit here and say we convince everyone. But alot of people take time to listen and agree to do further research. If you dont believe me then like I said, come to Union sq. for YOURSELF and come see it. It's a public street action and anyone willing to be a part of CHANGE, the requirement is to just go into our cardboard box full of flyers, and start passing them out. There is no official membership.

And if you want a huge demonstration, be in NYC Sept 7th - 11th.

[Young Union Square]

Actually thats not true the higher up you are in rank, the easier it is to speak out against things. Those with the power...rule. You know nothing about the FDNY.

I was in union square protesting for better health care....I am still working. You have no idea how this union works and what rights we have. SO SHHHH before you hurt yourself trying to lie your way out of this.

Well its a good thing I don't work in Staten Island and lower Brooklyn, but I do sometimes go down there to cover if I have to take a PT to Coney Island Hospital. BTW, my LT. just gave me a letter of recomandation for the next Paramedic class and graduated from my TOP Class in the top 5.

So thanks for the personal attacks. :D I really hope you never need my help.

Heyyo Brooklyn, if you really care about the 1st Responders then why dont you buy a ticket to Truthstock, which is a concert being held on the 10th of Sept with ALL THE PROCEEDS going to the Fealgood foundation. Instead of talking junk, DO something to support these firefighters. You know, since your lovely government isnt doing a damn thing for them.

To find out more about the benefit/concert for 1st responders go to wearechange.org

Stop spamming your organisation.

[Corsair 115]

Heyyo Brooklyn, if you really care about the 1st Responders then why dont you buy a ticket to Truthstock, which is a concert being held on the 10th of Sept with ALL THE PROCEEDS going to the Fealgood foundation. Instead of talking junk, DO something to support these firefighters. Are these officially registered charities? You know, ones which keep strict paper records so that folks can verify all the proceeds go to where they're supposed to go?

You know, since your lovely government isnt doing a damn thing for them.Perhaps I missed it, but nowhere do I recall NYCEMT86 saying anything complimentary about the government or about what they are or are not doing.

Seems like you made some unsupported assumptions there.

[NYCEMT86]

Heyyo Brooklyn, if you really care about the 1st Responders then why dont you buy a ticket to Truthstock, which is a concert being held on the 10th of Sept with ALL THE PROCEEDS going to the Fealgood foundation. Instead of talking junk, DO something to support these firefighters. You know, since your lovely government isnt doing a damn thing for them.

To find out more about the benefit/concert for 1st responders go to wearechange.org


I do care about 1st responders...I AM a 1st responder. I have donated money to several charities, including Leary's Foundation who have done a lot for first responders.


I am an EMT because of those 1st Responders. I have given back to my city and helped continue the message that those who have lost their lives, fought and died for.

Where were you during the Steam pipe explosion? The Dutchebank building? What firefighter did you help work on?

Thats what I thought


DONT EVER QUESTION MY SUPPORT AND COMMITTMENT

[Young Union Square]

Are these officially registered charities? You know, ones which keep strict paper records so that folks can verify all the proceeds go to where they're supposed to go?

Perhaps I missed it, but nowhere do I recall NYCEMT86 saying anything complimentary about the government or about what they are or are not doing.

Seems like you made some unsupported assumptions there.

ohh no!! what am i gonna do???

seriously though, to the best of my knowledge all the moneys going to the fealgood foundation. Luke and others have spoken personally to John Feal and they give us their support 100% Other charities which are officially registered sometimes become scams, so that dont mean anything. But if I find that the first responders dont get ALL the money, I'll personally slap every single member of CHANGE, just for you, ok?

[Donal]

seriously though, to the best of my knowledge all the moneys going to the fealgood foundation. Luke and others have spoken personally to John Feal and they give us their support 100% Other charities which are officially registered sometimes become scams, so that dont mean anything. But if I find that the first responders dont get ALL the money, I'll personally slap every single member of CHANGE, just for you, ok?

You won't have to. The unions will get wind of it and it won't be pretty.

[R.Mackey]

ohh no!! what am i gonna do???

seriously though, to the best of my knowledge all the moneys going to the fealgood foundation. Luke and others have spoken personally to John Feal and they give us their support 100% Other charities which are officially registered sometimes become scams, so that dont mean anything. But if I find that the first responders dont get ALL the money, I'll personally slap every single member of CHANGE, just for you, ok?

Is that net or gross? Could you estimate the operating expenses of "TruthStock?" Who is being reimbursed and in what amounts? What supplies are being purchased, and at what cost?

We'd wondered about those questions previously, but we don't like to speculate. Perhaps, being very close to this event, you could help us understand these things.

[Corsair 115]

seriously though, to the best of my knowledge all the moneys going to the fealgood foundation. Luke and others have spoken personally to John Feal and they give us their support 100% Other charities which are officially registered sometimes become scams, so that dont mean anything. But if I find that the first responders dont get ALL the money, I'll personally slap every single member of CHANGE, just for you, ok?If you are as concerned for their well-being as you claim, then whether or not all the proceeds go where they are supposed to go should be of great importance to you. Your slipping into a flippant response at the end would suggest to me you're not as serious as you have implied. If you were truly serious, you'd have left the flippant part out.

You also neglected the second point I made. You ascribed a position to NYCEMT86 that was not in evidence.

[Young Union Square]

Is that net or gross? Could you estimate the operating expenses of "TruthStock?" Who is being reimbursed and in what amounts? What supplies are being purchased, and at what cost?

We'd wondered about those questions previously, but we don't like to speculate. Perhaps, being very close to this event, you could help us understand these things.

Im not at liberty to discuss the financial terms of planning and orchestrating the events. All you need to know is, if you buy a ticket, that money is going to the Fealgood Foundation. Period. Why do you care about anything else?

[Abbyas]

So EMT, can I reserve you a ticket, or what? I mean, you got the commitment right?

I'm sure he'd rather give them money directly than pay for Jack Blood's plane ticket and the hall rental for Loose Change.

[R.Mackey]

Im not at liberty to discuss the financial terms of planning and orchestrating the events.

All you need to know is, if you buy a ticket, that money is going to the Fealgood Foundation. Period.

Why do you care about anything else?

Because the two statements you just made are mutually incompatible. That's why.

How about you stop telling me what you think I need to know, and answer my question?

[Donal]

I cant believe I just read this. Like, really im dumbfounded. I cant- I mean...PLEASE say you were only kidding! PLEASE!! Because of you I just choked on my chicken and broccoli...I mean, I...I...I dont know what to say to this.

You could cite a peer reviewed paper by an expert in a relevant field.


So EMT, can I reserve you a ticket, or what? I mean, you got the commitment right?

I won't speak for EMT but, as soon as you prove its a legit charity and provide evidence to back up your claims, I'll help you sell them.

[Young Union Square]

I will donate my money into causes that I know where the money is going as I said before.

Why dont you contact the Fealgood Foundation and find out for yourself?? I mean damn, I'm sick of going through the same arguments already, its like I keep repeating myself because no one's caring to listen. You're your own man, do your own research into the charity event. Dont just be a blind sheep.

[Gravy]

ohh no!! what am i gonna do???

seriously though, to the best of my knowledge all the moneys going to the fealgood foundation. Luke and others have spoken personally to John Feal and they give us their support 100% Other charities which are officially registered sometimes become scams, so that dont mean anything. But if I find that the first responders dont get ALL the money, I'll personally slap every single member of CHANGE, just for you, ok?It is a concern. For example, Avery recently claimed on his radio show that Louder Than Words had donated tens of thousands of dollars to the Fealgood foundation, when they hadn't. Check for yourself.

Have you thought of a lie I told about Luke "I'm not a wizard" Rudkowski yet, or did you misthink?

[Corsair 115]

All you need to know is, if you buy a ticket, that money is going to the Fealgood Foundation. Period. Why do you care about anything else?Because if that foundation keeps 90% of proceeds to "cover expenses" and only 10% goes to first responders , that's a very different thing than if only 20% of proceeds go to cover expenses and 80% goes to first responders.

[Abbyas]

I didnt say they were lying. It's not within the realms of impossibility, however, that they would put out false information to protect their jobs and livelihood.

You are talking about men that punched out cops in the weeks after 911 when the firefighters weren't allowed back at Ground Zero. This statement is extremely insulting to men and women who risk their lives for each other, not just their livelihoods.

And I was at Union Square three or four weekends ago. An older gentlemen told me, with regards to firefighters testimony re: wtc7, that they were lying. That they had to me.

Again, 'cause you didn't see it.

[beachnut]

Heyyo Brooklyn, if you really care about the 1st Responders then why dont you buy a ticket to Truthstock, which is a concert being held on the 10th of Sept with ALL THE PROCEEDS going to the Fealgood foundation. Instead of talking junk, DO something to support these firefighters. You know, since your lovely government isnt doing a damn thing for them.

To find out more about the benefit/concert for 1st responders go to wearechange.org
This is real dumb stuff. Truthers hiding behind the fire department and still spewing lies? 'You are sick. This is like NAZIs donating to the Jewish relief fund.

What is your logo, "we lie but we support the firemen"? Does this make your 9/11 truth lies okay?

What is the your mantra, we can lie because we are doing good things.

Truthstock. Irony has no limit in the 9/11 liars cult. Do you ever wonder why you have no facts to support the 9/11 truth ideas you support?

[Young Union Square]

You could cite a peer reviewed paper by an expert in a relevant field.




I won't speak for EMT but, as soon as you prove its a legit charity and provide evidence to back up your claims, I'll help you sell them.

Well I can confirm that John Feal will be a guest speaker on 9/11. I doubt he'd agree to speak for us if we were trying to scam him and his foundation. As for the legit paperwork, I'll see what I can do. Its not us, its the 1st Responders who are coughing up blood and arent getting the support they need from the city or the federal government that needs our help. So if you support the benefit concert, you support them, not WeAreCHANGE

[Abbyas]

Originally Posted by Young Union Square
Heyyo Brooklyn, if you really care about the 1st Responders then why dont you buy a ticket to Truthstock, which is a concert being held on the 10th of Sept with ALL THE PROCEEDS going to the Fealgood foundation. Instead of talking junk, DO something to support these firefighters. You know, since your lovely government isnt doing a damn thing for them.

To find out more about the benefit/concert for 1st responders go to wearechange.org

Of course, these are the same firefighters that are saying what they are told to keep their jobs.

Have you said that to firefighters? Do you think they like that? Don't you think that statements like the above make them want you to go away?

[NYCEMT86]

Why dont you contact the Fealgood Foundation and find out for yourself?? I mean damn, I'm sick of going through the same arguments already, its like I keep repeating myself because no one's caring to listen. You're your own man, do your own research into the charity event. Dont just be a blind sheep.


I am very active with the Leary Foundation and I am going to stick with that because Denis Leary doesn't claim firefighters were involved or lied about 9/11

See I don't associate myself with people who call my brothers and employer liars. I am actually very against that.

[NYCEMT86]

Of course, these are the same firefighters that are saying what they are told to keep their jobs.

Have you said that to firefighters? Do you think they like that? Don't you think that statements like the above make them want you to go away?

I don't think he has, but I just printed this thread out. I am sure they will enjoy this.

[Abbyas]

Wait a sec, Union Square, are you directly involved in planning Truthstock?

If so, you are obligated to say what portion of the ticket is going directly to the charity and what portion is going to expenses.

[Young Union Square]

Of course, these are the same firefighters that are saying what they are told to keep their jobs.

Have you said that to firefighters? Do you think they like that? Don't you think that statements like the above make them want you to go away?

You're twisting my words around, man. That aint cool. I never said they were told what to say. I said it's possible. Man, you're just trying to slander me and it aint cool, at all. I do what I can to spread the truth and im helping organize a benefit so some of these guys could get money for much needed medical attention, and you're putting words in my mouth trying to discredit me and everything we're trying to do. For once stop making it about 9/11 truth when it comes to the victims. I came into this thread to defend John Schroeder, because some of YOU were calling him a liar. Firefighter or not, we are all human beings, imperfect human beings. If I suggested that some of them MIGHT have lied, I stand by the fact that its not impossible. I've also made the assumption that maybe they were misinformed by superiors and experts, and some of them dont even know what they are saying is incorrect. That wouldnt be lying. So in conclusion, if you're gonna be a prick, and say that I called these men liars and that I'm against them, do me a favor and dont even respond to anything I post. Matter fact put me on ignore. 'Cause you're a waste of human existence

[beachnut]

Well I can confirm that John Feal will be a guest speaker on 9/11. I doubt he'd agree to speak for us if we were trying to scam him and his foundation. As for the legit paperwork, I'll see what I can do. Its not us, its the 1st Responders who are coughing up blood and arent getting the support they need from the city or the federal government that needs our help. So if you support the benefit concert, you support them, not WeAreCHANGE
We are change is a front for 9/11 truth hiding behind things like Feal to get trick people into joining the movement. Standard cult tactics.

I hope Feal does know your true 9/11 lies. If he is not one of you, I have a feeling he will learn you guys are full of lies very soon.

Your concert is full of junk, your web site is full of Alex Jones dumbness. What are your good points. What a sham.

[Pardalis]

I came into this thread to defend John Schroeder, because some of YOU were calling him a liar.

Where?

[R.Mackey]

I do what I can to spread the truth and im helping organize a benefit so some of these guys could get money for much needed medical attention, and you're putting words in my mouth trying to discredit me and everything we're trying to do. For once stop making it about 9/11 truth when it comes to the victims.

There it is, black and white.

I had asked you to help me find the answer, hoping you could talk to those responsible. Now that we find out that you are one of those responsible, we know that you:

(a) Have the answers, and

(b) Are morally and legally required to disclose such information.

I'll ask one more time. What fraction of receipts are given to charitable recipients, and what fraction is consumed by overhead? Your prompt attention is appreciated.

For the record, I support five charities, and they average an 82% throughput rate. Anything under 70% I consider sub-par. Yes, I'm a stickler.

[Abbyas]

You're twisting my words around, man. That aint cool. I never said they were told what to say. I said it's possible.

Okay, let me rephrase: Of course, these are the same firefighters that, possibly, are saying what they are told to keep their jobs.

Have you said that to firefighters? Do you think they like that? Don't you think that statements like the above make them want you to go away?

My questions still stand.

And again, I asked someone about the above at Union Square. That person told me the firefighters are lying.

[Donal]

Well I can confirm that John Feal will be a guest speaker on 9/11. I doubt he'd agree to speak for us if we were trying to scam him and his foundation.

That means nothing to me. I want to know I'm not buying him or anyone else a new friggin car.

As for the legit paperwork, I'll see what I can do.

Not holding my breath.

Its not us, its the 1st Responders who are coughing up blood and arent getting the support they need from the city or the federal government that needs our help.

Ya, I know. I see them quite often.

So if you support the benefit concert, you support them, not WeAreCHANGE

Says you. And don't try that appealing to emotion crap. Thats just going to piss me off.

There are plenty of charities that work with the first responders and residents of lower Manhattan that are ill because of the 9/11 attacks. And they can provide me with documentation of where the money actually goes. I'd much rather take the word of the firefighters and EMTs and police officers involved with those charities than yours.

And one last thing: Stop telling people to research your claims. You make the statement, you back it up. Thats how it works around here.

[Abbyas]

There it is, black and white.

I had asked you to help me find the answer, hoping you could talk to those responsible. Now that we find out that you are one of those responsible, we know that you:

(a) Have the answers, and

(b) Are morally and legally required to disclose such information.

It's true. You are legally required to answer.

[Young Union Square]

I don't think he has, but I just printed this thread out. I am sure they will enjoy this.

And then you say you care? Hey, its your perogative. Just make sure you add my last post where I made it clear I called nobody a liar, I just explored all possibilities. Also, I never even suggested a first responder lied or said something that aint true. I think you're really insensitive printing this out and showing firefighters this discussion as if it's a joke. As if to say "look at me!! im right!!" when a majority of these guys wont even be able to watch their damn kids grow up. Here's a suggestion, why dont you grow up? And why dont you have you and your firefighter friends come down to Union Square? Listen, I'm not an evil dude. I'll talk to a firefighter about 9/11, I have a few times. I'll admit, some of them didnt react very well, and thats understandable. But yet and still, in as respectful I can be, I still speak whats on my mind, and I still deliver the truth. The truth is hard to swallow for some, but I'd rather be hated and scorned now for speaking the truth than to be accepted for living a lie.

[Pardalis]

I came into this thread to defend John Schroeder, because some of YOU were calling him a liar.

Who said M. Scroeder was a liar?

Please respond.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I'm beginning to think the WeAreChange folks haven't clue about their legal responsibilities when it comes to a charity fundraiser.

That could be a big problem for them if the "wrong" people were to find out.

That, or YUS just doesn't want to tell us, because we're the "enemy"...

[Gravy]

I came into this thread to defend John Schroeder, because some of YOU were calling him a liar.False. No one had called him a liar by the time you joined the thread.

If you hadn't noticed, lies don't go over well here. Please stop.

[Abbyas]

You still don't understand how insulting they would find the idea that you think there is a possiblilty that they were saying what they were told based on economics?

[Pardalis]

The truth is hard to swallow for some, but I'd rather be hated and scorned now for speaking the truth than to be accepted for living a lie.

What if you are wrong? Have you ever considered that?

[Young Union Square]

It's true. You are legally required to answer.

Honestly, I'm helping to organize it in my own way, I'm in charge of security and the audio/video at Webster Hall events. Thats it. I dont know anything about the money. I'm not as skeptical as you guys are because I've developed a trust in the CHANGE crew that they'll do the right thing. But I'm curious myself, and I'm going to make it my business to find out for certain all the details about the money, if not for you for myself. Cuz I wouldnt want to be involved in a scam like that.

[realitybites]

And then you say you care? Hey, its your perogative. Just make sure you add my last post where I made it clear I called nobody a liar, I just explored all possibilities. Also, I never even suggested a first responder lied or said something that aint true. I think you're really insensitive printing this out and showing firefighters this discussion as if it's a joke. As if to say "look at me!! im right!!" when a majority of these guys wont even be able to watch their damn kids grow up. Here's a suggestion, why dont you grow up? And why dont you have you and your firefighter friends come down to Union Square? Listen, I'm not an evil dude. I'll talk to a firefighter about 9/11, I have a few times. I'll admit, some of them didnt react very well, and thats understandable. But yet and still, in as respectful I can be, I still speak whats on my mind, and I still deliver the truth. The truth is hard to swallow for some, but I'd rather be hated and scorned now for speaking the truth than to be accepted for living a lie.

Smells like somebody got called out.

It's not a joke, dude. That's what you and your ilk just can't seem to grasp. When you suggest even the possibility that firefighters, the men who risked their lives and watched their brothers die that day, might be following a script or lying to keep their jobs, you damn well better be prepared to back that up.

[dirtywick]

You're twisting my words around, man. That aint cool. I never said they were told what to say. I said it's possible. Man, you're just trying to slander me and it aint cool, at all. I do what I can to spread the truth and im helping organize a benefit so some of these guys could get money for much needed medical attention, and you're putting words in my mouth trying to discredit me and everything we're trying to do. For once stop making it about 9/11 truth when it comes to the victims. I came into this thread to defend John Schroeder, because some of YOU were calling him a liar. Firefighter or not, we are all human beings, imperfect human beings. If I suggested that some of them MIGHT have lied, I stand by the fact that its not impossible. I've also made the assumption that maybe they were misinformed by superiors and experts, and some of them dont even know what they are saying is incorrect. That wouldnt be lying. So in conclusion, if you're gonna be a prick, and say that I called these men liars and that I'm against them, do me a favor and dont even respond to anything I post. Matter fact put me on ignore. 'Cause you're a waste of human existence

How can you get mad that somebody called John Schroeder a liar (which, to my knowledge, is a bit misleading anyway. Mistaken and confused aren't synomyms for liar, which you clearly point out later but fail to connect that to the paper in the OP...) and then not a minute later turn around and accuse other fire fighters of doing the same thing that you're upset is being attributed to John?

Whatever, though. I'm just saying.

For once stop making it about 9/11 truth when it comes to the victims.

As a show of goodwill, why don't you start with changing the name of your concert to diassociate it from 9/11 truth, and perhaps even make a proper charity? I mean, I know you're all going to be handing out fliers and DVDs and whatnot there, right? How can you sit there and ask others to do what you're not capable of?

[NYCEMT86]

And then you say you care? Hey, its your perogative. Just make sure you add my last post where I made it clear I called nobody a liar, I just explored all possibilities. Also, I never even suggested a first responder lied or said something that aint true. I think you're really insensitive printing this out and showing firefighters this discussion as if it's a joke. As if to say "look at me!! im right!!" when a majority of these guys wont even be able to watch their damn kids grow up. Here's a suggestion, why dont you grow up? And why dont you have you and your firefighter friends come down to Union Square? Listen, I'm not an evil dude. I'll talk to a firefighter about 9/11, I have a few times. I'll admit, some of them didnt react very well, and thats understandable. But yet and still, in as respectful I can be, I still speak whats on my mind, and I still deliver the truth. The truth is hard to swallow for some, but I'd rather be hated and scorned now for speaking the truth than to be accepted for living a lie.

I will make it unbiased because it would be unfair to say this guy said "Firefighters lied"...thats why i am including the WHOLE thread and just asking what they think.

[R.Mackey]

Honestly, I'm helping to organize it in my own way, I'm in charge of security and the audio/video at Webster Hall events. Thats it. I dont know anything about the money. I'm not as skeptical as you guys are because I've developed a trust in the CHANGE crew that they'll do the right thing. But I'm curious myself, and I'm going to make it my business to find out for certain all the details about the money, if not for you for myself. Cuz I wouldnt want to be involved in a scam like that.
Surely you know what portion you and the a/v crew are being reimbursed for, or the cost to rent such equipment, consumables, etc.

In any case -- I am not qualified to give legal advice to anyone, let alone over the Internet, but I might humbly suggest you find out the answers to these questions before continuing to shill for your festival. I wouldn't want to see such youthful enthusiasm trampled by the cold boots of reality.

I bid you good evening.

[Young Union Square]

False. No one had called him a liar by the time you joined the thread.

If you hadn't noticed, lies don't go over well here. Please stop.

Whether it was before or after I joined it doesnt matter. Someone said the word liar in reference to Mr. Schroeder. I'm pretty sure it was before, but I dont care about that anymore. I've seen some responses on here that are just outright hateful. Because we for the most part are in disagreement about 9/11 somehow the conversation has just shifted over to how I dont support firefighters and all that stuff. I hope this is all one big joke because I'm getting ganged up on over here and its not supposed to be all about what my opinion is on certain things. I was debating to myself whether to even join these forums and defend Schroeder or just leave you people to yourselves. I'm kinda regretting my decision right now, putting words in my mouth and slandering me and CHANGE isnt what I had in mind. Usually you find this type of stuff on the internet, cant say im surprised. Still anyone is welcome to come out to Union Square, you'll find the atmosphere a little different out there.

[Gravy]

I'd ask him for a quote from anyone who called him a liar, but I'm sure that'd simply result in another "go back and find them yourselves, because they're there. Stop being lazy" response. :pCaper suggested it and I disagreed. This happened after YUS posted. He lied about us lying.

[Abbyas]

Still anyone is welcome to come out to Union Square, you'll find the atmosphere a little different out there.

Again, I HAVE BEEN THERE. AND WAS TOLD THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE LYING.

[Gravy]

Whether it was before or after I joined it doesnt matter. It does matter. You said you joined here because people were calling Schroeder a liar. That's a false statement. When adults make false statements about people and are corrected, they apologize. So what'll it be?

And I wonder when Avery, Bermas, Rudkowski, and Badillo will apologize to John Schroeder.

What's your best estimate on a time for that?

[kookbreaker]

Again, I HAVE BEEN THERE. AND WAS TOLD THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE LYING.

Something is not sinking in with our Union Squared.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

As a show of goodwill, why don't you start with changing the name of your concert to diassociate it from 9/11 truth, and perhaps even make a proper charity? I mean, I know you're all going to be handing out fliers and DVDs and whatnot there, right? How can you sit there and ask others to do what you're not capable of?


lol! I completely missed that... "Come to TruthStock! It's not about 9/11 Truth; it's about the victims!"

Amazing.

[Gravy]

Again, I HAVE BEEN THERE. AND WAS TOLD THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE LYING.Me, too. There's a guy named John who I'm shown talking to at Union Square in the History Channel show, who says the firefighters are liars.

And of course that accusation has been made many times at Ground Zero, and Dylan Avery's researcher and his Executive Producer say the same thing.

Yeah, they really care about the first responders.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I'll always stand by what I say. . .


Does that mean everyone who pointed out that the 800-pound gorilla in the Truth movement actually did say something you claimed was never said... are still "blatant liars" and "slanderers"?

[Drudgewire]

Whether it was before or after I joined it doesnt matter. Someone said the word liar in reference to Mr. Schroeder. I'm pretty sure it was before, but I dont care about that anymore.
I'll use it now, but not about Schroeder. You LIIIED ESSEE!! YOU LIIIIIEEED!!! (RIP Eddy Guerrero)

I've seen some responses on here that are just outright hateful.
You should imagine cartoon characters saying them. It's much nicer that way. :)

Because we for the most part are in disagreement about 9/11 somehow the conversation has just shifted over to how I dont support firefighters and all that stuff. I hope this is all one big joke because I'm getting ganged up on over here and its not supposed to be all about what my opinion is on certain things.
You came here and challenged us right off the bat. We're extremely polite as long as is possible, but eliitism coupled with inaccuracies coupled with baseless charges and ignoring responses coupled with the "close minded" nonsense only gets you that treatment for so long.

I was debating to myself whether to even join these forums and defend Schroeder or just leave you people to yourselves.
Again, no one attacked Schroeder. You came to defend the movement, with the same tactics we see from some new guy every day.
I'm kinda regretting my decision right now, putting words in my mouth and slandering me and CHANGE isnt what I had in mind. Usually you find this type of stuff on the internet, cant say im surprised.
Your complete refusal to discuss anything beyond "read this book" left us with no ability to gauge what you were actually trying to say. I will give you this, it's a pretty unique twist on twoofers. "You make my argument for me, then debunk it while I sit here and call you names."
Still anyone is welcome to come out to Union Square, you'll find the atmosphere a little different out there.
lol, "cold boots of reality." The NWO rules. :cool:

[Young Union Square]

You could do the grown up thing by going to a fire house and sharing your thoughts on why firefighters may or may not be saying things to keep their job.

You grew up in Brooklyn.

I'm sure you'd be able to handle their response.

That would be me going to a fire house to start a confrontation. That's a jerk off move, and isnt in my nature. I'm at Union Square every Saturday. people can come see me whenever they want.

[kookbreaker]

I'm gonna cry. Am I on ignore??

I'll quote you just in case.

The chip that was on his shoulder is on the floor, and he's still bragging about how nobody will knock it off.

[Young Union Square]

Me, too. There's a guy named John who I'm shown talking to at Union Square in the History Channel show, who says the firefighters are liars.

And of course that accusation has been made many times at Ground Zero, and Dylan Avery's researcher and his Executive Producer say the same thing.

Yeah, they really care about the first responders.

I've never seen you once at Union Square. Not once. Until I do, I dunno what to tell you

[Cl1mh4224rd]

That would be me going to a fire house to start a confrontation. That's a jerk off move, and isnt in my nature.


Get your buddies to do it, then. They don't seem to have a problem with confrontation.

Edit: Wait... You're in a movement attempting to expose what you believe to be the greatest lie in modern history and have the perpetrators brought to "justice", and you're challenging people here to confront you at Union Square, but... confrontation isn't in your nature? Come on. Geez.

[NYCEMT86]

I wouldnt take your word on that, but I really dont care what you do either which way. I am my own person and like I said if you ever come down to Union Square for a conversation you will find im one of the most respectful people out there. I'll always stand by what I say, I never rule ANYTHING out, always consider all factors of an argument, and if I gotta say it, it's gettin said. I'm from Brooklyn too, Canarsie born and raised. I let whatevers on my mind off, thats how I grew up. I pull no punches. You on the other hand are a little snakey, printing out a discussion on the internet with everyone disagreeing with one person, and seeing what they're gonna think. You know what they're gonna think. The grown up thing to do would be to leave the internet alone and come out to Union Sq for yourself. But I dont expect you to be doing that anytime soon. Keep hiding behind a computer screen.


You don't have to take my word for that, but its true. I want their true opinion without poisoning the well.


You will find me there, not this Saturday but the following Saturday...now if I come with Firefighters will tell them that they might have been lied to by command? Or that some firefighters may have lied about their statements to protect themselves?


Do you know what is going on with the Deutchebank? A few Assistant Chiefs may be demoted or terminated over their complacency over the standpipe removal. There has been a very big ripple throughout the Fire Department and several firefighters are very upset about this. The FDNY doesn't tolerate anything any complacency that result in any firefighters death.

[realitybites]

That would be me going to a fire house to start a confrontation. That's a jerk off move, and isnt in my nature. I'm at Union Square every Saturday. people can come see me whenever they want.

But....

I let whatevers on my mind off, thats how I grew up. I pull no punches.


So am I to understand that your no-punch-pulling mantra only applies when you're faceless text on a message board?

[Abbyas]

I've never seen you once at Union Square. Not once. Until I do, I dunno what to tell you

I was there!!! Less than a month ago! They said lying, lying! God help me.

Also, by various change members, I've had Tom Foti try to physically intimidate me. (Told him: "This doesn't make you look good." His response: "I don't care.")

[A W Smith]

That would be me going to a fire house to start a confrontation. That's a jerk off move, and isnt in my nature. I'm at Union Square every Saturday. people can come see me whenever they want.


Union square? I hear a voice. Someone calling out in the darkness. Someone who was confronted by a WeAreChange member at Union Square, Listen carefully. Can you hear it?

Again, I HAVE BEEN THERE. AND WAS TOLD THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE LYING.

[Gravy]

I've never seen you once at Union Square. Not once. Until I do, I dunno what to tell youIf you've seen the History Channel show, you have seen me at Union Square. I don't make it a habit of correcting the lies of vicious morons in person on a weekly basis anymore. Beating my head against the curb would be as productive as trying to talk sense into a person as stupid and uncaring as Luke Rudkowski.

[Abbyas]

Union square? I hear a voice. Someone calling out in the darkness. Someone who was confronted by a WeAreChange member at Union Square, Listen carefully. Can you hear it?

Yes, me! Me, I tell you, ME!!! I don't exist. Dang.

[A W Smith]

I was there!!! Less than a month ago! They said lying, lying! God help me.

Also, by various change members, I've had Tom Foti try to physically intimidate me. (Told him: "This doesn't make you look good." His response: "I don't care.")

Tom Phony physically assaulted you?

[Abbyas]

Tom Phony physically assaulted you?

Nooo, no, no, no. Would stand and hover and follow me. Lean against a wall over me. I think I could take him, though.

The exchange did happen. "I'm a 5 foot, 3 inch woman. This doesn't look good for you."

"I don't care."

[kookbreaker]

I was there!!! Less than a month ago! They said lying, lying! God help me.

Also, by various change members, I've had Tom Foti try to physically intimidate me. (Told him: "This doesn't make you look good." His response: "I don't care.")

Don't forget John Gold not letting you get a word in edgewise and claimingthat he pwned you by posting the video (then removing it after everyone told him he looked like a jerk).

Oh, and let's not forget a certain guy saying he would punch you if he were there. Same guy also said what you can Gravy were doing was 'inciting violence'.

Oh, and which buddy of yours got called a Mossad agent because his skin was a bit darker than pale caucasian?

There's also the truthers saying 'they own the wall' in Gravy's video, and them yanking off signs the didn't like.

That's just a fraction of troother antics surrounding Ground Zero.

[realitybites]

Nooo, no, no, no. Would stand and hover and follow me. Lean against a wall over me. I think I could take him, though.

The exchange did happen. "I'm a 5 foot, 3 inch woman. This doesn't look good for you."

"I don't care."

::: Cues up Babs' "Memory" :::

[CHF]

And then you say you care? Hey, its your perogative. Just make sure you add my last post where I made it clear I called nobody a liar, I just explored all possibilities.

Why would you even explore the possibility that firefighters are putting their jobs before the truth?

Just how little regard do you have for these people?

[Redtail]

Look, although I am a member of a 9/11 TRUTH group, and I've been up on this stuff the past 3 years, I'm not a reacher. Meaning, im not gonna "reach" for things that I know arent true just to make my points look more valid. I know a majority of these polls that show most people support 9/11 truth, get flooded by internet truthers. I know a majority of the American population believes the official story. I'm not gonna bull*** u guys, you seem to be pretty intelligent for the most part. However, the majority of foreigners I speak to believe the opposite, think about the powerful propaganda machine we as Americans are up against, probably more sophisticated than anything the Nazi's could come up with. So I could understand why most people wont go with any alternative theories right off the bat. But like I said I'm at Union Sq every saturday and if you want any evidence for yourselves, you can come whenever you like and see the minds we change. Not everyone, its naive to sit here and say we convince everyone. But alot of people take time to listen and agree to do further research. If you dont believe me then like I said, come to Union sq. for YOURSELF and come see it. It's a public street action and anyone willing to be a part of CHANGE, the requirement is to just go into our cardboard box full of flyers, and start passing them out. There is no official membership.

And if you want a huge demonstration, be in NYC Sept 7th - 11th.

Can't make it to NYC in Sept. what with my job and all but how many do you think will be there?

[Abbyas]

Why would you even explore the possibility that firefighters are putting their jobs before the truth?

Just how little regard do you have for these people?

Hey, it's possible that the firefighters were given millions to shut up. It's not an insult if I say it's possible. Hey, anything's possible.

[realitybites]

Can't make it to NYC in Sept. what with my job and all but how many do you think will be there?

Tens of.... twenties!*

* If last year was any indication.

[Young Union Square]

If you've seen the History Channel show, you have seen me at Union Square. I don't make it a habit of correcting the lies of vicious morons in person on a weekly basis anymore. Beating my head against the curb would be as productive as trying to talk sense into a person as stupid and uncaring as Luke Rudkowski.

What are you talking about? The History Channel hit piece was filmed a year ago, we just started the Union Sq street actions 2 months ago. There are other people there besides Luke. When can I expect your apology to Manny Badillo, a person who lost a family member on 9/11 who you've accused of being manipulative towards a 1st responder? Can I get a timetable on that? Or you can always apologize in person, at Union Square. So, when can we expect you there for a formal apology to a victim's family member?

[Abbyas]

The History Channel hit piece was filmed a year ago, we just started the Union Sq street actions 2 months ago.

Will someone tell this guy I was there a few weeks ago.

[LashL]

What are you talking about? The History Channel hit piece was filmed a year ago, we just started the Union Sq street actions 2 months ago. There are other people there besides Luke. When can I expect your apology to Manny Badillo, a person who lost a family member on 9/11 who you've accused of being manipulative towards a 1st responder? Can I get a timetable on that? Or you can always apologize in person, at Union Square. So, when can we expect you there for a formal apology to a victim's family member?

So, you've been at this all of two months and you wonder why rational and critical thinkers here may view you as yet another raving loon devoid of facts and evidence?

You really should scope out this subforum further and you'll see that every single point you think you've made and every single point that you think other twoofers before you have made, has been dealt with in great detail ad nauseam previously.

No apologies are owed to Luke or Manny, and your lame appeal to emotion is duly noted.

Serious question: how old are you?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Again...
I let whatevers on my mind off, thats how I grew up. I pull no punches. [...] Keep hiding behind a computer screen.
That would be me going to a fire house to start a confrontation. That's a jerk off move, and isnt in my nature.


Who are you trying to fool? Really...

Don't talk about how much of an opinionated hard-ass you are and then get all timid when someone suggests you go and actually talk to the people you're "possibly" accusing of being complicit in the murder of 3,000 people.

[kookbreaker]

What are you talking about? The History Channel hit piece was filmed a year ago, we just started the Union Sq street actions 2 months ago.

So you show up months after the major action has taken place. Ages after both Abby and Gravy have decided they've done all they can and moved on, and now you set up shop, throwing the same nonsense around and demand over and over that everyone come around to see you, the Johnny-come-lately who's repeating the same old troofer myths. At the same time, you act as if you are some kind of long-undebunked set-piece, invincible at Union Square, while in fact you have been there only a short while.

At the same time, with only two months under your belt you have the nerve to complain that you 'never saw Gravy there, ever' as if you've actually had some kind of decent time-window to make that claim from.

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

[NYCEMT86]

Mark, EMT dude, I'll be seeing you folks down at Union Sq real soon.

I will be there on the 8th, you can count on it.

[Gravy]

What are you talking about? The History Channel hit piece was filmed a year ago, we just started the Union Sq street actions 2 months ago.June 24, 2007 was a year ago? That's news to me.

When can I expect your apology to Manny Badillo, a person who lost a family member on 9/11 who you've accused of being manipulative towards a 1st responder? Can I get a timetable on that?Sure. NEVER. He claims that a blatantly wrong account about 9/11 is "setting the historical record straight." Care to explain how being the nephew of a 9/11 victim absolves him of responsibility for accurate reporting?

Okay, we'll just have to adjust to the fact that the north tower came down first and that the devastation seen and felt in and around the north tower after 9:59 was caused by some mysterious evil force like preplanted high explosives.

Is that what you want? Do you actually want us to adopt a false version of history? Or do you want the terrorist apologists who wronged John Schroeder to apologize to him and to agree to try – for the very first time – to get something about 9/11 right?

The newcomers here have been progressive less impressive and progressively more poorly informed. This does not bode well for the "truth" movement.

[Arus808]

Edited to remove rule 12 breach.

[pomeroo]

How you doin Mark? I've seen 1 or 2 videos of you debating Luke and Dan back in the day before I joined CHANGE. Come down to Union Square on Saturday, let's have a discussion. In front of alot of people. One thing I noticed is that you keep referring to the NIST and Commission reports as if it's Holy scripture. They've already been debunked, thoroughly.



Really? Who debunked them? How did they manage that feat?

I've read much ignorant nonsense by liars, fools, and charlatans in the 9/11 fantasy movement, but I've never come across an actual debunking of either of these valuable sources.

I don't believe you.



We both know this little reply window doesnt have nearly the character capacity for me to fully get into it, plus you've probably been over this same stuff over and over again. But hey you're a free citizen, you're welcome to your opinion, and you're also welcome to any of our public street actions and wednesday night meetings. I dont know how to contact Mr. Schroeder, and if I did id ask him permission first before I gave you his contact info. But you can contact us anytime. You know where CHANGE is on Saturdays.

And I dont appreciate the personal attacks about my friend, Luke. Basically its lies and I'm sorry you can influence the way other people who dont know Luke feel about him but that nonsense needs to stop. I dont know you im not gonna start personally attacking you, so if you want a discussion about facts bring yourself over to Union Square and come see me, and quit with the slander on the internet, its not cool.


Are you interested in debating Mark?

[ref]

Some Dylan commentary. I will leave out all the stupid remarks, and concentrate on the stuff that has some info.

Mr. Schroeder came to Wearechange because he wanted to speak out. We didn't grab John off the street and milk an interview out of him.

He knew exactly what he was doing, and where it would be headed.

John Schroeder does not own a computer, nor care to use one.

Looks like Groovy Gravy might have to leave his comfort zone (i.e. computer) and actually confront this man face-to-face.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=14607&st=0

I'm especially surprised about the last comment. Mark has met more people face-to-face than anybody. I'm sure he has no problem talking to the man himself, given a chance.

[brodski]

Will someone tell this guy I was there a few weeks ago.

Hey Abby, I hear that you were at Union Square a couple of weeks ago, and were told that fire fighters where involved in the 9/11 conspiracy. Is that right?

Because, you know, you could have mentioned in earlier. :P

[nlarosa]

It is a concern. For example, Avery recently claimed on his radio show that Louder Than Words had donated tens of thousands of dollars to the Fealgood foundation, when they hadn't. Check for yourself.

Have you thought of a lie I told about Luke "I'm not a wizard" Rudkowski yet, or did you misthink?

Hey Gravy how do you check into this? If they have donated to fealgood foundation?

[Alferd_Packer]

Surely you know what portion you and the a/v crew are being reimbursed for, or the cost to rent such equipment, consumables, etc.



Well since Sunday and Monday nights events are scheduled to be held in night clubs, just what types of consumables are we talking about here?

BTW, has anyone questioned the appropriateness of holding these events in nightclubs?

It doesn't really seem to be a fitting venue for such a solemn occasion.

[funk de fino]

Look, although I am a member of a 9/11 TRUTH group, and I've been up on this stuff the past 3 years, I'm not a reacher. Meaning, im not gonna "reach" for things that I know arent true just to make my points look more valid. I know a majority of these polls that show most people support 9/11 truth, get flooded by internet truthers. I know a majority of the American population believes the official story. I'm not gonna ***** u guys, you seem to be pretty intelligent for the most part. However, the majority of foreigners I speak to believe the opposite, think about the powerful propaganda machine we as Americans are up against, probably more sophisticated than anything the Nazi's could come up with. So I could understand why most people wont go with any alternative theories right off the bat. But like I said I'm at Union Sq every saturday and if you want any evidence for yourselves, you can come whenever you like and see the minds we change. Not everyone, its naive to sit here and say we convince everyone. But alot of people take time to listen and agree to do further research. If you dont believe me then like I said, come to Union sq. for YOURSELF and come see it. It's a public street action and anyone willing to be a part of CHANGE, the requirement is to just go into our cardboard box full of flyers, and start passing them out. There is no official membership.

And if you want a huge demonstration, be in NYC Sept 7th - 11th.

You dont speak to a lot then?

I only know personally one other person who even thinks 911 was an inside job, out of a country of 5,000,000, only one?

If you spoke to me at Union Square next month you would never convince me with the stuff you have posted on here

It was not huge last year and it will not be huge this year

I thought Dylan said the rally was down to 3 days? Or is that the events that are part of the rally?

[Calcas]

It doesn't really seem to be a fitting venue for such a solemn occasion.
I'm told they'll say a quick prayer before the next round of jello shots.

[sleahead]

Ok, just the usual twoofer nonsense in this thread, so on to the interesting bit:


Originally Posted by Young Union Square
Honestly, I'm helping to organize it in my own way, I'm in charge of security and the audio/video at Webster Hall events. Thats it. I dont know anything about the money. I'm not as skeptical as you guys are because I've developed a trust in the CHANGE crew that they'll do the right thing. But I'm curious myself, and I'm going to make it my business to find out for certain all the details about the money, if not for you for myself. Cuz I wouldnt want to be involved in a scam like that.

Surely you're not saying that you've been asked to arrange security and audio/visual at Webster Hall without consideration of the cost? You must know something about the cost involved. Please provide deatails. When you have the details of the other costs, let us know. Just asking questions, demanding answers.

[Foolmewunz]

You know what I can't get clear on, (and I don't think anyone's addressed it here, yet)? Wasn't that Abbyas down at Union Square just a couple of weeks ago?

[kookbreaker]

You know what I can't get clear on, (and I don't think anyone's addressed it here, yet)? Wasn't that Abbyas down at Union Square just a couple of weeks ago?

No no. You're thinking of Abby being at Union Square a couple of weeks ago.

[Abbyas]

Yes, ME, ME!

[Unsecured Coins]

No no. You're thinking of Abby being at Union Square a couple of weeks ago.

She went there? I coulda swore she said she was going to Union Square a couple of weeks ago last time we had coffee together.

[brodski]

You know what I can't get clear on, (and I don't think anyone's addressed it here, yet)? Wasn't that Abbyas down at Union Square just a couple of weeks ago?

No no. You're thinking of Abby being at Union Square a couple of weeks ago.

What I can’t work out is why Abby hasn’t mentioned the fact that she was at Union Square a couple of weeks ago, and heard the lies and slander against the fire-fighters being spouted there.

That kind of information would be useful to this thread, but for some reason, there’s not a single post revealing this information.

Why are you so shy about this Abby?

[Unsecured Coins]

What I can’t work out is why Abby hasn’t mentioned the fact that she was at Union Square a couple of weeks ago, and heard the lies and slander against the fire-fighters being spouted there.

That kind of information would be useful to this thread, but for some reason, there’s not a single post revealing this information.

Why are you so shy about this Abby?

The evidence of Abby being at Union Square a couple of weeks ago is the fact that a couple of weeks ago, Abby was at Union Square.

[Pardalis]

What's all this talk about Abby Scott being at Union Square a few weeks ago?

[ref]

What are you all talking about. Why are we fighting over where Abby has been.

[Pardalis]

What are you all talking about. Why are we fighting over where Abby has been.

Rumour has it that apparently she was at Union Square, a few weeks ago.

[Unsecured Coins]

What are you all talking about. Why are we fighting over where Abby has been.

Abby says she was at Union Square a couple of weeks ago. She keeps saying this like sooner or later, it's going to become the truth, but we all know where she was a few weeks ago... she was at UNION SQUARE. *dun dun duuuun*

[Foolmewunz]

Who? Abby? At Union Square? A couple of weeks ago? Are you sure? I hadn't heard that before.

Ya know if Abby was at Union Square a couple of weeks ago, I'm sure she would recognize a veteran of eight whole weeks! (Does anyone realize that YUS has spent less time at US than any of average debunker like myself has put in just to read the background in the stickies at the top of this sub-forum?)

[kookbreaker]

What's all this talk about Abby Scott being at Union Square a few weeks ago?

Well, you see, some of us are of the opinion that Abby was at Union Square a few weeks ago, while others are of the opinion that Abby was at Union Square a few weeks ago.

With such diverging opinions, you can see why there is all this rancor over the issue.

[ref]

Rumour has it that apparently she was at Union Square, a few weeks ago.

That's cool. I was in France a few weeks ago. Which was nice. But I was not in Nice, if you catch my drift. Good wine there.

[Unsecured Coins]

Who? Abby? At Union Square? A couple of weeks ago? Are you sure? I hadn't heard that before.

Ya know if Abby was at Union Square a couple of weeks ago, I'm sure she would recognize a veteran of eight whole weeks! (Does anyone realize that YUS has spent less time at US than any of average debunker like myself has put in just to read the background in the stickies at the top of this sub-forum?)


Dude, I have more time in CHURCH than YUS has in country, and I'm telling you up front, and I do not mince words... Abby was in fact in Union Square a few weeks ago.

But to clear up confusion, Abby, were you at "yoon-yun" sqaure or "yoon-yAHn" square?

[Pardalis]

I wish I could have been at Union Square, a few weeks ago, like Abby has been, apparently.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I am very active with the Leary Foundation and I am going to stick with that because Denis Leary doesn't claim firefighters were involved or lied about 9/11

See I don't associate myself with people who call my brothers and employer liars. I am actually very against that.

FYI, Denis Leary has publicly stated that he is a 9/11 truther and he is proud of it. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qn9FlD_IPOE) ;)

[Gravy]

Rumour has it that apparently she was at Union Square, a few weeks ago.That was Abby Scott, not Abbyas. Do your homework, people.

[T.A.M.]

I did not have the STOMACH to wade through all of the YUS threads here this AM, so please tell me if I am right or wrong here...

WAC and LC crew are going to lump into their 9/11 truth bullcrap, events in support of the first responders?

To make their crowds larger, and the onlookers more sympathetic, they are appealing to emotion, and piggybacking on the heroism of the EMTs/FF/Police.

Real classy. Can't say I expected anything more?

TAM:)

[NYCEMT86]

FYI, Denis Leary has publicly stated that he is a 9/11 truther and he is proud of it. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qn9FlD_IPOE) ;)

Are you sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWFlsIlj5_I

[T.A.M.]

No I don't think Leary is a truther...just the opposite actually, IIRC.

TAM:)

Ye that is where I heard it NYCEMT...Glen Beck.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Are you sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWFlsIlj5_I

Did you click on the link I provided and take note of the "wink" emote?

ETA: That's a good video with Leary and Glenn Beck though, truthers will ignore it completely.

[T.A.M.]

Did you click on the link I provided and take note of the "wink" emote?

your wit was perhaps a little too dry.;)

TAM:)

[Sword_Of_Truth]

your wit was perhaps a little too dry.;)

TAM:)

Aye... I may need to work on my delivery a little. :)

[NYCEMT86]

Did you click on the link I provided and take note of the "wink" emote?

ETA: That's a good video with Leary and Glenn Beck though, truthers will ignore it completely.



I am sorry, I am tired haha. :o

Great song...i think he is referring to Truthers when he says he makes handicapped faces and handicapped people.

Of course they will ignore him. Many firefighters have been able to open up to Leary because unlike many other celebrities, he lost his cousin in the fire in Mass. I think back in 1999.

[Belz...]

I know a majority of these polls that show most people support 9/11 truth, get flooded by internet truthers.

Of course. Special interest groups always shout louder.

I know a majority of the American population believes the official story.

And one way or another, who cares what people's opinions are ?

think about the powerful propaganda machine we as Americans are up against

I'm Canadian. When I want information on a subject, I dig up information on various sites. Where's that propaganda that I'm up against ?

probably more sophisticated than anything the Nazi's could come up with.

Aside from that precocious Godwin you just pulled, the fact that we're in 2007 and the Nazis were in 1945 pretty much means that we're more sophisticated now.

So I could understand why most people wont go with any alternative theories right off the bat.

Coming up with a theory doesn't make the other theories less true because of added competition.

But like I said I'm at Union Sq every saturday and if you want any evidence for yourselves

Somehow, I'm sure I've seen ALL of your evidence already. Otherwise, WHY AREN'T YOU GOING TO THE COURTS WITH IT ?

you can come whenever you like and see the minds we change.

That you indoctrinate people is of no interest to reality.

[Alferd_Packer]

I was at Union Station a couple of weeks ago.

I don't remember seeing Abby there.

But that was in Chicago.

[Belz...]

The evidence of Abby being at Union Square a couple of weeks ago is the fact that a couple of weeks ago, Abby was at Union Square.

Wait, wait. This is like the truthers saying that the evidence for an inside job is... oh, that's what you were going, right ?

What are you all talking about. Why are we fighting over where Abby has been.

Abby's a has been ? That's not very nice.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I am sorry, I am tired haha. :o

Great song...i think he is referring to Truthers when he says he makes handicapped faces and handicapped people.

Of course they will ignore him. Many firefighters have been able to open up to Leary because unlike many other celebrities, he lost his cousin in the fire in Mass. I think back in 1999.

A cousin, and a childhood friend along with 4 other firefighters (I looked up the wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leary_Firefighters_Foundation) when you first mentioned the Leary foundation).

[Drudgewire]

Are you sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWFlsIlj5_I
Darn it. I was hoping for another reason to lower my opinion of him. I've still never forgiven Leary for stealing Bill Hicks' act. :mad:

[dudalb]

I was at Union Station a couple of weeks ago.

I don't remember seeing Abby there.

But that was in Chicago.

I did'nt see her there either when I was there a couple of weeks ago.
But,wait I was at the Union Square in San Francisco...Never Mind:D

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Maybe it's time to get Andrew Cuomo and the NY State AG office to look into this "Fealgood" foundation and truthstock's claims to donate money to them.

[jhunter1163]

I demand a new investigation into Abby Scott's being at Union Square a couple of weeks ago and HEARING the lies being spouted.

[SpitfireIX]

I did'nt see her there either when I was there a couple of weeks ago.
But,wait I was at the Union Square in San Francisco...Never Mind:D


The NWO is going to clone Abby so she can be in Union Square/Union Station in every US city. Didn't you get the memo?

[kookbreaker]

The NWO is going to clone Abby so she can be in Union Square/Union Station in every US city. Didn't you get the memo?

Keep it down. We haven't told her yet.

[Regnad Kcin]

So "Abby Scott" was in "Union Square" a "couple weeks ago?"

Heh heh. Say no more!

[R.Mackey]

You folks should probably be aware that Young Danny von Union Square was suspended (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=91700) earlier today.

Clearly, this is all a dastardly plot by the JREF Moderating Ninjas to keep him from learning that Abby was at Union Square recently, whereupon she overheard blackguards slandering the FDNY. Will the NWO stop at nothing?

I blame Lisa.

[Drudgewire]

And here I was thinking "suspended" was his new custom title. :)

[Foolmewunz]

And here I was thinking "suspended" was his new custom title. :)

On that note, I always hope that PDOH, who does have a sense of humor sometimes, will, while he's still in sock garb, request a custom title of "Banned on The Run"....

[Alareth]

The NWO is going to clone Abby so she can be in Union Square/Union Station in every US city. Didn't you get the memo?

Will there be extras? Can I have one?

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

You folks should probably be aware that Young Danny von Union Square was suspended (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=91700) earlier today.

I didn't know school was back in session already!

I kid I kid

[Abbyas]

Hey! Did I tell anyone about my adventures in Union Square, oh, three or four weeks ago?

[brodski]

Hey! Did I tell anyone about my adventures in Union Square, oh, three or four weeks ago?

Too late http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=91732

[brodski]

And here I was thinking "suspended" was his new custom title. :)

Yeah, he's changed it now though...

[Unsecured Coins]

Hey! Did I tell anyone about my adventures in Union Square, oh, three or four weeks ago?

Did you buy me a hat? NO. That means you weren't there. You were out galavanting around in Union Square a couple of weeks ago instead.

[Mashuna]

That's cool. I was in France a few weeks ago. Which was nice. But I was not in Nice, if you catch my drift. Good wine there.

Hey, I was in France a few weeks ago. I didn't see you there. It was nice. I was in Nice, which would explain why I didn't see you, I guess. I don't think they have a Union Square there, otherwise I'd probably have seen Abby. I wouldn't have known who she was though.

Who's the banned fellow again, and where does he hang out?

[Calcas]

Too late http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=91732

Who was the first to predict suicide by mod for this guy?

It WAS, after all, only a matter of time.

[Alt+F4]

Maybe it's time to get Andrew Cuomo and the NY State AG office to look into this "Fealgood" foundation and truthstock's claims to donate money to them.

I can find no indication that this is a legitimate charity registered in the state of New York as required by law. Even if I'm wrong on this point why would a charity that purports to care about 9/11 first responders be involved with We Are Change? One of their crapfest speakers is convicted felon, anti-tax nut Ed Brown who has stated on many occassion that he's willing to murder law enforcement officials.

I guess John Feal has forgotten that many 9/11 first responders work(ed) in law enforcement or public safety.

[nlarosa]

I can find no indication that this is a legitimate charity registered in the state of New York as required by law. Even if I'm wrong on this point why would a charity that purports to care about 9/11 first responders be involved with We Are Change? One of their crapfest speakers is convicted felon, anti-tax nut Ed Brown who has stated on many occassion that he's willing to murder law enforcement officials.

I guess John Feal has forgotten that many 9/11 first responders work(ed) in law enforcement or public safety.


Where can i find this info on Ed Brown and John Feal?

[Alt+F4]

Where can i find this info on Ed Brown and John Feal?

Here's a link to John Feal's "Fealgood Foundation" http://www.fealgoodfoundation.com/ . Nowhere is it mentioned what they specifically do with contributions.

As for Ed Brown, here's his official website: http://www.makethestand.com/ however, for more balanced reporting I'd use the search feature at the Concord Monitor: http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070427/REPOSITORY/704270339&SearchID=73283648086998

[Belz...]

Hey! Did I tell anyone about my adventures in Union Square, oh, three or four weeks ago?

Seems we're still skeptical about that.



We'll have to vote, I guess.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Well, it looks like he made the cut and he's in the Banned.

[Dumb All Over]

I heard a rumor that the Banned plays weekly at Union Square. Can anyone confirm this?

[Unsecured Coins]

I heard a rumor that the Banned plays weekly at Union Square. Can anyone confirm this?

Yep... here they are playing at the last 9/11 Truth Convention. Watch the crowd go wild.
-5Ym5g3DR1M

[mortimer]

Yep... here they are playing at the last 9/11 Truth Convention. Watch the crowd go wild.
-5Ym5g3DR1M

Wow, a fantastic rendition of a fantastic song...how apropos for the Troofers!

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Oh god. That's causing my eyes to tear up while I stifle laughter in my cube.

Are these guys "troofers"?

That guy hasn't even hit puberty yet.

And that keyboardist... You've got ONE job, 10 notes... practice more...

[kookbreaker]

THose aren't troofers. That's an age old clip on youtube. But it gives the general gist of their competence level.

[Gravy]

Yep... here they are playing at the last 9/11 Truth Convention. Watch the crowd go wild.Well, SLC (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/) has a post on a new addition to the Truthstock roster: Breaks Kru: Break Dancers for 9/11 Truth.

And it's not a joke. :not_ripe:

[Par]

Well, SLC (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/) has a post on a new addition to the Truthstock roster: Breaks Kru: Break Dancers for 9/11 Truth.


Someone should tell hip-hop culture that the eighties called and they want their naming conventions back. (Then they should tell me that the nineties called and they want their gags back.)

[Drudgewire]

If you want to follow the history, break dancing's ultimate moment of greatness can be seen right HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPfrj-3zwlI) and will probably never again achieve such unbelievable awesomeness. :D

[Alt+F4]

Well, SLC (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/) has a post on a new addition to the Truthstock roster: Breaks Kru: Break Dancers for 9/11 Truth.

And it's not a joke. :not_ripe:

Well who better to broadcast the troofer revolution than folks named Dizzy Izzy, Jake the Snake and Suitkace? Hey, they are "the flyest n****** in New York City!"

Linky:
http://www.breakskru.com/

[Unsecured Coins]

Well, SLC (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/) has a post on a new addition to the Truthstock roster: Breaks Kru: Break Dancers for 9/11 Truth.

And it's not a joke. :not_ripe:


Oh lawd... That's it. Don't make me break out the Les Paul, Gravy. Don't make me do it.

[Alt+F4]

Poor Dylan and Luke, decisions, decisions. Should the break dancers come on before or after Ed Brown's murderous rant?

[Pardalis]

I see their pool of experts is growing.

[Jonnyclueless]

I see their pool of experts is growing.

And yet the peer reviewed papers aren't...

[Pardalis]

And yet the peer reviewed papers aren't...

Maybe they'll breakdance their studies, like sign language.

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[Gord_in_Toronto]

The NWO is going to clone Abby so she can be in Union Square/Union Station in every US city. Didn't you get the memo?

There you Yankies go again. You left Canada out of the NWO Union Square/Union Station directive. :mad: I was at Union Station in TO last weekend. I'll check again this Saturday and there had better be an Abby Clone there or I'll do something really Canadian -- get quite upset. :sniff:

[SpitfireIX]

There you Yankies go again. You left Canada out of the NWO Union Square/Union Station directive. :mad: I was at Union Station in TO last weekend. I'll check again this Saturday and there had better be an Abby Clone there or I'll do something really Canadian -- get quite upset. :sniff:


That's "Yankees," thank you very much (as in "Damn Yankees!"). Just for that you won't get to be one of our Canadian NWO lapdogs--off to the political re-education camp with you. :p

[hellaeon]

Yep... here they are playing at the last 9/11 Truth Convention. Watch the crowd go wild.
-5Ym5g3DR1M


ahhhhh man.....hahahahaha thats so bad.

I aint felt that dirty since I heard the most evil song in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diary_of_an_Unborn_Child).

[Belz...]

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Don't forget the FEMA camps, where it'll be 3" barb wire on 4' centers...