Trutherism: A debate about their ideology

[Undesired Walrus]

We are persucuted!

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We are persucuted!

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The only answer!

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The only answer!

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It is eerie is it not?

So, trutherism, we have debated much about the causes, the reasons why, but what does it mean when people become truthers? What does this mean for the world?

Are we just getting stupider?

Are we just getting more scared?

Are we simply willing to 'wake up' only so we can 'fall asleep' and escape this crappy world?

Is there such a thing as a moderate truther and an extremist truther? Or are they one and the same?

[leftysergeant]

The organized twoofers are apparently all Anarchists, or closet Nazis.

In my confrontations with Killtown, for example, he has often expressed his disdain for liberals. I think that that alone would put him in one of those camps, neither of which has room for a moderate wing unless it is groups like ae911 or PFT, to delude the sheeple into thinking that their are rational minds in the movement, rather like National Alliance and their "legals."

[Brainache]

Well UW I think it helps to put these guys in perspective. The way I see it, the world of politics and such is a pretty mixed bag and it takes all sorts to make a world, but if every Truther on the face of the planet were to disappear tomorrow, it would hardly be noticed. They are a tiny fraction of what is going on. It is easy to assign them more importance than they warrant when you spend a lot of time on these forums.

Rest assured that they are no threat to our lives and the fact that they exist may even be a sign of the fact that freedom of expression is alive and well in the 21st century.

Thus spake Brainache + five beers.

[Undesired Walrus]

It depends does it not?

Islamists, if they have to be any ideology, are not nazis, but radical anarchists. The rule of man is the main gripe.

Their dream land, as they sneer on the Taliban, the Shia lands of Iran, and the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia, is a fantasy, a niave dream spilled out to impressionable youth.

I'd say, personally, that historical revisionists share the same ideology, that they wish to abolish this current rule of 'the man' and install some fantasy of accountable western government. A bit like McVeigh tried to do.

Brainache, I think you'd be surprised how many people are one step away from denying history, simply because it is an uncomfortable truth. It's Human nature.

I wouldn't campaign for it to be on the UN security council, but it would make an interesting question in the presidential debates.

[Stellafane]

Personally, I don't see trutherism as an actual ideology. I think it's more due to a combination of flaws in their psychological makeup. Among the contributing factors are paranoia, a desire to connect with other people and find meaning in life, the tendency to demonize those with whom you do not agree, and (this is crucial) a huge streak of emotional and intellectual immaturity, which often manifests itself in a rather unhealthy and reality-denying form of narcissism. ("It's true because I say it's true -- you're all sheeple because I say so -- pwned!!!")

I do think ideologues use the truthers as a tool to bash the opposition, however. I think some liberals cozied up to them (or at least didn't denounce them with appropriate vigor) in the last elections because they felt it might help defeat the Republicans. And I've always felt that if 9/11 happened with a Democrat in the White House, the exact thing would have happened in reverse, with Republicans using the TM as a source of mud to throw.

[Belz...]

Right on the money, Stellafane.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Right on the money, Stellafane.

Yes. They're bat[rule10] crazy.

[dudalb]

I 1000% agree with Stellafane.
I have a problem with Lefty Sergeant's reluctance to admit that loons exist on the left wing of the political spectrum rather then the right.
Fact is CTers seem to be in some wierd little political world of their own,where the imporant thing is not left or right views,but beleiving in a vast,evil conspiracy.

[leftysergeant]

I still think Rove is putting We Are Change up to harrassing Al Franken and calling liberal talk shows hosts like Thom Hartmann to distract them from the real issues.

[dudalb]

That is just plain silly.
Kooks have been calling up talk shows for a long as I remember.
And what the hell keeps Franken and Hartmann from just screening the kooks out or just hanging up on them?

[NYCEMT86]

How long until one of these twoofers becomes another Eric Rudolph or Timothy McVeigh or James Charles Kopp?

[Hans]

Ah and that is the problem. At some point someone may try to do 'something'.

A constant diet of paranoia can make people....paranoid.

[dudalb]

What worries me more is some Troofers might actually act as a sort of logistical support group for more hard core terrorists organizations. I can see some of them hating the US government so much they decide that Al Quida or other Islamist groups are the good guys.

[leftysergeant]

What worries me more is some Troofers might actually act as a sort of logistical support group for more hard core terrorists organizations. I can see some of them hating the US government so much they decide that Al Quida or other Islamist groups are the good guys.

That is one of the strategies illuminated in The Turner Diaries.

Getting an idea why I suspect white nationalists as one of the driving forces behind the twoofers? Useful idiots are a sought after commodity among all terrorist movements.