Loose Change Final Cut premiering in.. Norway?

[Ratatoskr]

So, next Saturday (sept.8) Loose Change FC will have world premiere at the "Protest Festival (http://www.protest.no/articlelist.aspx?m=51)" in Kristiansand, Norway.

First they start off with a lecture by David Ray Griffin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ray_Griffin), followed by Ole Tunander and Emil Andre Røyrvik, both Norwegians who are known to be not exactly supporters of "the official story".

From the (short) English section:
David Ray Griffin (USA)

David Griffin is a retired professor of philosophy of religion and theology who has written four controversial books about what really happened on 9/11 in the USA.
LECTURE with questions from the audience:
Prof. Ole Tunander, Peace Research Institute Oslo
Emil Andre Røyrvik, research fellow NTNU

Professor Ola Tunander’s publications include The Secret War Against Sweden – US and British Submarine Deception in the 1980s (2004) and an article about what really happened on 9/11 in the anthology 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out (2006).
Research fellow Emil André Røyrvik hit the headlines in 2006 when he claimed that 9/11 was an inside job.

I hang my head in shame...

Btw, what kind of debate features only 3 guys who all believe the same? Gravy, can I pay you to fly to Norway?

[Brainache]

Look on the bright side mister Squirrel, Norway has the first opportunity for debunking! Yay Norway!

[Ratatoskr]

Unfortunately, I live too far away from Kristiansand, so I can't be there to at least be the one sane voice against all this...

[Dumb All Over]

LC:FC in Norway on the 8th is a "premiere". Two days later in New York it is a "test screening". Is it just me, or does Dylan seem to have things mixed up here? Seems any test screening should come before any premiere. I'm so confuzzed.

[Alferd_Packer]

Too bad you can't go. Then you won't have the opportunity to jump up and down in the middle of the "preimier," shouting out as loud as possible:

"GEORGE BUSH IS UNDER MY BED AND DICK CHENEY IH HIDING IN MY PANTS!!!

[8den]

Norway, Nil Point.

[Safe-Keeper]

As I said in another thread, poor residents of Kristiansand. What have they ever done wrong.

[Blackadder_no]

Heh. According to this story (http://www.fvn.no/kulturpuls/film/article504926.ece), the producer insisted on sending his own security guard to this screening in order to prevent piracy...

[LashL]

Heh. According to this story (http://www.fvn.no/kulturpuls/film/article504926.ece), the producer insisted on sending his own security guard to this screening in order to prevent piracy...

That's funny, all on its own. Hell, the Loose With the Truth crew couldn't even manage to "screen" their little video in the U.S. and they can't even legitimately call it a "screening" of LCFC in Norway since they've admitted that their little video is not even complete yet. Too cute. No, really. :)

[leftysergeant]

Maybe they wanted the biggest celebration to be held someplace where there were not hundreds of big, healthy young men who knew what really happened lurking about, waiting to meet Dylan and express, non-verbally, what they thought of him.

[Brainster]

Considering the latest is that Loose Change will be released on the internet on 11-11-07 according to a recent Bermas interview, it's hard to see the point of preventing somebody at the Norway screening from taping it.

Maybe they're doing this show so that Christopher Bollyn (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=91920) can attend?

I intend to seek asylum in Norway or Switzerland. I can read the writing on the wall.

[ref]

That was a funny one. A security guard preventing illegal filming of the movie, which is only 90% ready and will be released on the internet anyway.

Another noteworthy mention in that article. Kim Bredesen compared Final Cut to the likes of Matrix and V for Vendetta. Well, true, they are fiction as well.

[ref]

This premiere is going to be seen by only a handful of people.

It is shown 2 times in Fønix Kino Kristiansand, once on 8th and once on 9th of September. Both times it is shown in Sal 2 (Theater 2) which has 104 seats. So it will have a maximum audience of 208 people, at most.

[Par]

So, next Saturday (sept.8) Loose Change FC will have world premiere at the "Protest Festival (http://www.protest.no/articlelist.aspx?m=51)" in Kristiansand, Norway.

First they start off with a lecture by David Ray Griffin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ray_Griffin), followed by Ole Tunander and Emil Andre Røyrvik, both Norwegians who are known to be not exactly supporters of "the official story".

From the (short) English section:


I hang my head in shame...

Btw, what kind of debate features only 3 guys who all believe the same? Gravy, can I pay you to fly to Norway?


Norge og? Store Gud! Ja, vi elsker dette woo-woo.

[Ratatoskr]

Heh, the funny thing is that they are very proud to get the film to the festival because it "will attract young people". So, fame before facts then?

[60hzxtl]

Loose Change, the FINAL cut. . . oh, if only!

[Civilized Worm]

As I said in another thread, poor residents of Kristiansand. What have they ever done wrong.


The answer is in your avatar.

[defaultdotxbe]

Loose Change, the FINAL cut. . . oh, if only!
i thought this was the rough cut of the final cut, and the final cut of the final cut was due later in the year

[Lothian]

The program gives it a glowing recommendation Loose Change (2006) presents what is said to be evidence of 9/11 conspiracy theories

[Denial]

The NWO (http://www.nwo-reisen.de/faehrverbindungen/faehrverbindungen.php) is way ahead of them. :D

There's a few DFG-nuthuggers here in Norway, but besides spamming prisonplanet-links on some newssites, they don't make much of a ruckus. Besides, how can you compete with a psychic princess for media attention? ;)

[jsiv]

HAHAHA WHAT!


I'm booking my ticket right now!!

104 seats in an obscure town in an obscure country? That's their idea of a good world premiere?

[GlennB]

I'm booking my ticket right now!!

104 seats in an obscure town in an obscure country? That's their idea of a good world premiere?

In what way is Norway "obscure" ???

[parky76]

This way, Dylan can convince the Norweigans to attack the USA and bring the theories of UN invasion to reality.

[Alferd_Packer]

In what way is Norway "obscure" ???

Easy, if he can't point it out on a map, then it's obscure.

[maccy]

Easy, if he can't point it out on a map, then it's obscure.

Given that jsiv has Svalbard as part of his custom title, I'd guess that he can easily point to Norway on a map. In fact, if I had to, I'd guess he was Norwegian, or at least from Scandinavia.

I wouldn't say that Norway is obscure it does have a comparatively low population, and is a bit off the beaten track for most people.

[Alferd_Packer]

So, he is calling his own country obscure?

{shrugs} Whatever, man. . . .

[LashL]

Well, without getting into the obscure/non-obscure debate, let's face it...having LooseWithTheTruth v. 4.0 lead off anywhere other than the U.S. of A. is a colossal failure insofar as its stated goals are concerned. The fact that the LooseWithTheTruth gang has consistently lied about having their little video accepted at various film festivals over the past couple of years is even worse. The fact that the LooseWithTheTruth gang can't even manage to finish their little video after several years, well, that speaks volumes.

My condolences to the 20 or so people who might see the latest version of twooferism nonsense in Norway.

ETA: but I hope one of the audience members posts a link to the grand event :D

[ref]

This is where the revolution begins two days from now, on sept. 8th.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1363946dfa4bb2a4df.jpg

But wait, that is in Norway. Are they going to overthrow the King of Norway? They can't do that! They were supposed to hate Bush. Maybe someone will leak a copy of this event to the internet, so the revolution can begin in US. But wait, there are security guards preventing exactly that from happening. It has to begin in Norway then. But no, the revolution can't begin in Norway, not the King of Norway, no!

[Brainache]

Since GWB is in Sydney at the moment, maybe the revolution should start here... After the footy of course.

[The Atheist]

Since GWB is in Sydney at the moment, maybe the revolution should start here... After the footy of course.

Mate, I'm glad I'm not there at the moment. How the hell are people commuting?

[Spins]

David Ray Griffin off to Norway for an all expenses paid holiday and no doubt he'll come back a little better off for his lecture, it's a tough life fighting the "truth"! :D

[Ratatoskr]

I wonder if we have any jref members in Kristiansand? Man I wish I could attend that viewing, if only to be thrown out after 10 seconds.

[Brainache]

Mate, I'm glad I'm not there at the moment. How the hell are people commuting?

Not very well by all accounts. Although some comedians got through all the security in a fake motorcade. They had Canadian flags on a black limo and a guy inside dressed as Osama Bin Laden and they got to just outside GWB's hotel. Canada aren't even here at APEC.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070906/2/14czx.html

[Spins]

I wonder if we have any jref members in Kristiansand? Man I wish I could attend that viewing, if only to be thrown out after 10 seconds.
Yeah no doubt, if there's one thing they hate it's a dissenting voice spoiling the festival of woo.

[CFLarsen]

So, next Saturday (sept.8) Loose Change FC will have world premiere at the "Protest Festival (http://www.protest.no/articlelist.aspx?m=51)" in Kristiansand, Norway.

No offense to Kristiansand, but...it's hardly Cannes, Berlin, Vienna, Sundance, or any of the major film festivals, is it?

Think about it: These guys have The Ultimate Evidence of an Inside Job (capitals required), and they can't even launch it at some big festival? In this age of Documentary Desire?

Btw, what kind of debate features only 3 guys who all believe the same? Gravy, can I pay you to fly to Norway?

That, in itself, is a major point of criticism. They are supposed to support ideas to freely float around, and they don't even have the opposite view?

The general public may not understand the trickery of the LooseChangers, but they do understand the need to hear the opposite view.

LC:FC in Norway on the 8th is a "premiere". Two days later in New York it is a "test screening". Is it just me, or does Dylan seem to have things mixed up here? Seems any test screening should come before any premiere. I'm so confuzzed.

One of the really great things about living in New York, is that you get to go to the new movies, before they "premiere". We went two, sometimes three times a week, but never to see movies that had actually opened. The movie companies were so eager to get people to the pre-premieres (sometimes, even pre-pre-premieres), that they would just hand out free tickets to anyone who wanted them.

The benefits of being connected.... ;)

Heh, the funny thing is that they are very proud to get the film to the festival because it "will attract young people". So, fame before facts then?

Young impressionable minds.

Yeah no doubt, if there's one thing they hate it's a dissenting voice spoiling the festival of woo.

It doesn't have to be a dissenting voice. Just someone recording what happens.

[ref]

A little info on the populatity of this event thus far.

The last paragraph of this article (http://www.fvn.no/kulturpuls/film/article504926.ece) states, that the Final Cut will be show in Theater 2 (104 seats), unless there is demand for more capacity, in which case it is possible it could be moved to the bigger Theater 1 (655 seats, Capacities here (http://www.filmweb.no/kristiansandkino/article53174.ece)). That article was written on August 17, 2007.

Well, the situation today, September 6, 2007 is as follows:

Sept 8 (http://www.filmweb.no/kristiansandkino/program/?dato=08-09-2007&x=18&y=18): Still located at Theater 2 (Fønix 2)
Sept 9 (http://www.filmweb.no/kristiansandkino/program/?dato=09-09-2007&x=15&y=15): Still located at Theater 2 (Fønix 2)

I guess there has not been enough demand to move it to the theater with 655 seats. 104 have been enough as it is.

ETA: The ticket price is NOK 95,00 which is about the equivalent of EUR 12,00 or USD 16,00

[defaultdotxbe]

Given that jsiv has Svalbard as part of his custom title
maybe he just plays a lot of Risk :D

[CFLarsen]

A little info on the populatity of this event thus far.

The last paragraph of this article (http://www.fvn.no/kulturpuls/film/article504926.ece) states, that the Final Cut will be show in Theater 2 (104 seats), unless there is demand for more capacity, in which case it is possible it could be moved to the bigger Theater 1 (655 seats, Capacities here (http://www.filmweb.no/kristiansandkino/article53174.ece)). That article was written on August 17, 2007.

Well, the situation today, September 6, 2007 is as follows:

Sept 8 (http://www.filmweb.no/kristiansandkino/program/?dato=08-09-2007&x=18&y=18): Still located at Theater 2 (Fønix 2)
Sept 9 (http://www.filmweb.no/kristiansandkino/program/?dato=09-09-2007&x=15&y=15): Still located at Theater 2 (Fønix 2)

I guess there has not been enough demand to move it to the theater with 655 seats. 104 have been enough as it is.

Please, please, please.

Somebody get the actual number of seats filled.

Verifiable, yes.

[Ratatoskr]

Hah! According to the Protest Festival the film will contain much more:
In the new version there has been added new and more advanced computer simulations of the planes which were hijacked on 9/11, and new sequences and fresh interviews with different professionals giving their statements regarding the terrorist attacks.

There's also an article on NRK.no (http://nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/sorlandet/1.3226957) about the "sensation".

Kristiansand will play the host to the latest major motion picture about 9/11

"Major"? I think somebody hasn't been doing their research...

[ref]

Hah! According to the Protest Festival the film will contain much more:

There's also an article on NRK.no (http://nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/sorlandet/1.3226957) about the "sensation".

"Major"? I think somebody hasn't been doing their research...

A fictional internet movie. Not a major motion picture by any means.

That article also says, that people from around the world have been asking for tickets for this premiere. Well, not more than 208 people, that's for sure :D

[defaultdotxbe]

A fictional internet movie. Not a major motion picture by any means.

That article also says, that people from around the world have been asking for tickets for this premiere. Well, not more than 208 people, that's for sure :D
asking for =/= having money to pay for :D

[Lurker]

LC:FC in Norway on the 8th is a "premiere". Two days later in New York it is a "test screening". Is it just me, or does Dylan seem to have things mixed up here? Seems any test screening should come before any premiere. I'm so confuzzed.

Dylan didn't finish his homework assignment on time so is turning in half-assed work for both events. How lame.

Lurker

[fitzgibbon]

Not very well by all accounts. Although some comedians got through all the security in a fake motorcade. They had Canadian flags on a black limo and a guy inside dressed as Osama Bin Laden and they got to just outside GWB's hotel. Canada aren't even here at APEC.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070906/2/14czx.html

Maybe we should've sent Hughie Stewart aka Sergeant Pepper to help keep them Aussie jokers in line. ;)

http://www.pacificfreepress.com/images/stories/sgt_pepper.jpg

[NoZed Avenger]

i thought this was the rough cut of the final cut, and the final cut of the final cut was due later in the year

You're thinking of the really final, final cut.

[maccy]

Well, without getting into the obscure/non-obscure debate, let's face it...having LooseWithTheTruth v. 4.0 lead off anywhere other than the U.S. of A. is a colossal failure insofar as its stated goals are concerned. The fact that the LooseWithTheTruth gang has consistently lied about having their little video accepted at various film festivals over the past couple of years is even worse. The fact that the LooseWithTheTruth gang can't even manage to finish their little video after several years, well, that speaks volumes.

Population of New York City: 8.2 Million
Population of Norway: 4.7 Million
Population of Kristiansand: 78,000

And that's without considering the relative location of media outlets with a global reach and the status of Kristiansand as a film festival (ie it has no status, because it isn't a film festival).

[jsiv]

Please, please, please.

Somebody get the actual number of seats filled.

Verifiable, yes.


http://www.billettluka.no/SearchArrangement.aspx?What=loose&Where=&Start=2007-09-03&Until=2008-09-03&Type=

17 left on the Saturday, 87 on the Sunday.



And yes, Norway is obscure!

[jsiv]

Population of New York City: 8.2 Million
Population of Norway: 4.7 Million
Population of Kristiansand: 78,000

And that's without considering the relative location of media outlets with a global reach and the status of Kristiansand as a film festival (ie it has no status, because it isn't a film festival).


It's about reaching out to the common man, not the spoiled movie industry!!

[CFLarsen]

http://www.billettluka.no/SearchArrangement.aspx?What=loose&Where=&Start=2007-09-03&Until=2008-09-03&Type=

17 left on the Saturday, 87 on the Sunday.

Nice work.

[timhau]

http://www.billettluka.no/SearchArrangement.aspx?What=loose&Where=&Start=2007-09-03&Until=2008-09-03&Type=

17 left on the Saturday, 87 on the Sunday.


In a theater that seats 104. :Banane01:

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Mate, I'm glad I'm not there at the moment. How the hell are people commuting?

The Revolution will not be subsidized?

[qarnos]

http://www.billettluka.no/SearchArrangement.aspx?What=loose&Where=&Start=2007-09-03&Until=2008-09-03&Type=

17 left on the Saturday, 87 on the Sunday.



And yes, Norway is obscure!

I may be showing my ignorance here, but what is "FOREDRAG"?

ETA: Nevermind - it is a Norwegian word meaning "lecture/discourse".

[The Atheist]

Not very well by all accounts. Although some comedians got through all the security in a fake motorcade. They had Canadian flags on a black limo and a guy inside dressed as Osama Bin Laden and they got to just outside GWB's hotel. Canada aren't even here at APEC.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070906/2/14czx.html

Yeah, I heard all about that. Highly appropriate, I thought - comedians inside, comedians outside.

[Blackadder_no]

Oh the stupidity... They just had a local twoofer on breakfast television in connection with the happenings in Kristiansand - and what was the very first "evidence" he brought up? The pod theory!

:hb:

[ref]

Oh the stupidity... They just had a local twoofer on breakfast television in connection with the happenings in Kristiansand - and what was the very first "evidence" he brought up? The pod theory!

:hb:

Oh, that's baaaad :D

The situation of Sept 7, 2007. One day away from the premiere.

Tickets left for Saturday: 7
Tickets left for Sunday: 87

http://www.billettluka.no/SearchArrangement.aspx?What=loose&Where=&Start=2007-09-03&Until=2008-09-03&Type= (http://www.billettluka.no/SearchArrangement.aspx?What=loose&Where=&Start=2007-09-03&Until=2008-09-03&Type)

In other words.

Tickets sold for Saturday: 104 - 7 = 97
Tickets sold for Sunday: 104 - 87 = 17

They have sold a total of 114 tickets for the world premiere.

The "truth" will not be seen by many people.

[Ratatoskr]

Oh the stupidity... They just had a local twoofer on breakfast television in connection with the happenings in Kristiansand - and what was the very first "evidence" he brought up? The pod theory!

:hb:

Where was this?

[CFLarsen]

The situation of Sept 7, 2007. One day away from the premiere.

Tickets left for Saturday: 7
Tickets left for Sunday: 87

Right now, it's actually:


Tickets left for Saturday: 9
Tickets left for Sunday: 87

Two people must have discovered that they needed to do the dishes instead. :)

[qarnos]

Right now, it's actually:


Tickets left for Saturday: 9
Tickets left for Sunday: 87

Two people must have discovered that they needed to do the dishes instead. :)


Hey, that's 0.0013% of the Norwegian population! That's some serious truthing.

[timhau]

Yet more pwoof that people can't handle the twoof!

[Rika]

Sometimes, the twoof goes slower than the snails. Poor Dylan.

[Drs_Res]

My prediction:

The spin will be that it was a tremendous success, although the turn out was not quite what was hoped for. The crowd was really into it and energized by this new cut of the "film". This will cause a renewed effort to get the truth ™ © ® out there to all the people!

[Blackadder_no]

Where was this?

It was on NRK Frokost-TV early this morning. Ah, found the clip here: http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/106341

The twoofer is someone called Daniel Hellwege, apparently a DJ, and is described as a member of the "9/11 Truth Movement Norway", a movement so obscure it isn't even found on Google :rolleyes:.

[Ratatoskr]

And the only hits I get on google on his name is his work as a DJ :)

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1074146e14be96241b.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=8147)

I'd love to have a little chat with him

[jsiv]

Never heard of him.

And that TV clip does have some context and seems to be a follow-up to an interview with a guy who wrote a book on conspiracy theories.


Also, only two tickets left for the Saturday!!

[NickUK]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1074146e14be96241b.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=8147)


[brit joke] I'm going to email Ricky Gervais and ask him why he's allowed Gareth out of The Office to do this. [/brit joke]

[CHF]

Gotta hand it to ol' Dylan for having his premier in such a tiny theater. Makes it a lot easier to say "it sold out!"

[jsiv]

Maybe it's all a plot to apply for political asylum.

[Ratatoskr]

Let's see:
Tomorrow is the world premiere for the much awaited Final Cut of Loose Change, and they haven't sold out the 104 seats yet.

Not what I would call a success...

[Norseman]

Griffin has already participated in several debates already. Here is a report by a Norwegian truther from the first days of the protest festival(in Norwegain):
http://www.vgb.no/14296/perma/242140

According to the blogger there was a press conference today held by 911 Press Conference Group (http://www.911pk-gruppen.no/Welcome.html) were David Ray Griffin participated. Just click on "Our 911 Plattform" to read their list of 911 nonsense.

The big news was that the group were going to nominate David Ray Griffin and 9/11 Truth Movement for the Nobel Peace Prize.:jaw-dropp

The blogger complained that TV 2 (a major Norwegian television network) left after 15 minutes, even though the conference lasted for two hours. No wonder.:D

This is yet another case of Norwegian far left wingers throwing all reason and critical judgement over board regarding USA. How embarrassing.:mad:

[Ratatoskr]

Griffin has already participated in several debates already. Here is a report by a Norwegian truther from the first days of the protest festival(in Norwegain):
http://www.vgb.no/14296/perma/242140

According to the blogger there was a press conference today held by 911 Press Conference Group (http://www.911pk-gruppen.no/Welcome.html) were David Ray Griffin participated. Just click on "Our 911 Plattform" to read their list of 911 nonsense.

The big news was that the group were going to nominate David Ray Griffin and 9/11 Truth Movement for the Nobel Peace Prize.:jaw-dropp

The blogger complained that TV 2 (a major Norwegian television network) left after 15 minutes, even though the conference lasted for two hours. No wonder.:D

This is yet another case of Norwegian far left wingers throwing all reason and critical judgement over board regarding USA. How embarrassing.:mad:

Heh, that was amusing :)

Strangely enough, the "Truth Movement" in the US consists of young men, but the "911 Press Conference Group" in Norway is a 75 year old retired journalist, and 3 middle-aged women?

[dudalb]

And the only hits I get on google on his name is his work as a DJ :)

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1074146e14be96241b.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=8147)

I'd love to have a little chat with him


Jesus,that guy look like the classic stereotype of a Internet Kook.

[jsiv]

Damn! It's sold out!

[CFLarsen]

Damn! It's sold out!

Here is how it will be presented:

"It played at sold-out theaters in Norway!"

Here is how it will not be presented:

"It played in a small theater with 104 seats, and it sold out just one day before the screening. The other screening on Sunday only had 17 tickets sold by Friday night."

You just watch.

[Peephole]

http://www.loosechange911.com/

Jesus *********** christ.

[maccy]

Also, what sold out wasn't the film on its own - it was also a lecture by David Ray Griffin and others.

So we can't be certain how many people would have bought tickets if it was just for the film.

[jsiv]

Also, what sold out wasn't the film on its own - it was also a lecture by David Ray Griffin and others.

So we can't be certain how many people would have bought tickets if it was just for the film.


Well, Sunday is only the movie and no lecture, so the answer is probably "17."

[jhunter1163]

To update, with less than 24 hours to go till the first screening, the total of tickes sold is 127 out of a possible 208. (104 for screening plus lecture, 23 for screening only). I have a mental image of that second showing, and it's kind of pathetic.

I bet even "Gigli" sold out its first two screenings.

[CptColumbo]

Even though at this time there are 81 tickets still available for Sunday, I would assume there will be a certain amount of walk-up purchases.

So what's the cost of a ticket? How much is DRG making in pursuit of the truth?


Mr. Green: If he was such a patriotic American why didn't he just turn us in to the authorities.

Wadsworth: He wanted to make a little money. What could be more American than that?

[Jonnyclueless]

Sometimes truth sounds like Scotch tape.

[Unsecured Coins]

Sometimes truth sounds like Scotch tape.


ahh yes... Words from the most Amazing Man on the Planet... Jonathon

[timhau]

So what's the cost of a ticket? How much is DRG making in pursuit of the truth?


95 Norwegian Crowns (about 16 US Dollars or 12 Euros), according to ref. If that sounds like a lot, remember that Norway is a hideously expensive country.

[jsiv]

As a comparison, a normal movie generally costs about 80NOK. For only 15 more, you get the lecture as well!

What a great deal.

Also, a gallon of milk costs about 38.

And a ham pizza >200.


A NOK is just over 17 cents.

[jsiv]

Oh, and there's an update! Apparently they sold so many tickets to today's screening that there will be TWO of them tomorrow.

They've added a noon screening with 655 seats. Only 45 NOK! What a bargain!

(643 free seats.)

I guess like someone said, they will probably sell some tickets at the door.

[jhunter1163]

With less than six hours to go to the first screening, they've sold a grand total, including all three screenings, of 170 tickets. The revolution will not only not be televised, it won't be shown in very many theaters either.

[Ratatoskr]

So, the premiere is now over. I'm still waiting for the revolution...

[maccy]

So, the premiere is now over. I'm still waiting for the revolution...

Aren't you at the other end of Norway? Maybe it'll take a while to get to you...

The progress report from God's Own County is that so far there are no sightings of neo-viking truthers forging their way across the whale-road* to retread the footsteps of their ancestors and set us free this time - with the flame of righteousness and the sword of twoof.


*gratuitous Beowulf reference

[~enigma~]

so far there are no sightings of neo-viking truthers
be more respectful of the vikings. They were barbaric in nature but too smart to fall for foolishness.

[maccy]

be more respectful of the vikings. They were barbaric in nature but too smart to fall for foolishness.

I meant only in terms of a migration of a force from Norway to the North of England (specifically Yorkshire). I meant no disrespect to vikings. It was a trifling, flippant, comment anyway...

[jsiv]

England was populated by the dumber vikings.

And then Australia was po......

[~enigma~]

I meant only in terms of a migration of a force from Norway to the North of England (specifically Yorkshire). I meant no disrespect to vikings. It was a trifling, flippant, comment anyway...
Luckily for you a longship hasn't been dispatched :)

[jhunter1163]

What do you suppose Dylan would do if some Norwegian Twoofer posted the Final Insult on YouTube? He's supposedly going to be putting it up there anyway in a couple of weeks, but it would kill the market to release it prematurely... interesting conundrum. I have my ideas what Dylan would do, though.

[maccy]

What do you suppose Dylan would do if some Norwegian Twoofer posted the Final Insult on YouTube? He's supposedly going to be putting it up there anyway in a couple of weeks, but it would kill the market to release it prematurely... interesting conundrum. I have my ideas what Dylan would do, though.

A previous post in this thread:

Heh. According to this story (http://www.fvn.no/kulturpuls/film/article504926.ece), the producer insisted on sending his own security guard to this screening in order to prevent piracy...

:)

[jhunter1163]

So the revolution will not be televised, but it will be available on pay-per-view.

[Ratatoskr]

I wish I could go in the "big" viewing tomorrow, preferably with a machine that makes that "wrong answer" sound from Jeopardy :)

[jsiv]

I wish I could go in the "big" viewing tomorrow, preferably with a machine that makes that "wrong answer" sound from Jeopardy :)


Too late, it's sold out!

[jhunter1163]

Too late, it's sold out!

Oh, there are still plenty of tix left for the Sunday screenings. Those 25 people at the noon screening are going to rattle around in that theater like a couple of BBs in a tuna fish can.

[timhau]

What do you suppose Dylan would do if some Norwegian Twoofer posted the Final Insult on YouTube? He's supposedly going to be putting it up there anyway in a couple of weeks, but it would kill the market to release it prematurely...

Kill the what?

[jhunter1163]

The market. You know, the few dozen teenage boys who are saving their allowances to buy Mr. Avery's opus on PPV. If it's released prematurely on YouTube, those teenage boys are going to say "Cool! I can see the movie AND buy that Dark Knight comic!" And there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth in Oneonta.

[jsiv]

Oh, there are still plenty of tix left for the Sunday screenings.


Almost had you there though!! For a second!!

[jhunter1163]

Almost had you there though!! For a second!!

I have to admit I went back to the link and looked.

[CptColumbo]

As a comparison, a normal movie generally costs about 80NOK. For only 15 more, you get the lecture as well!

What a great deal.

Also, a gallon of milk costs about 38.

And a ham pizza >200.


A NOK is just over 17 cents.
Hearing LC kooks make fools of themselves in any language: Priceless

[timhau]

The market. You know, the few dozen teenage boys who are saving their allowances to buy Mr. Avery's opus on PPV. If it's released prematurely on YouTube, those teenage boys are going to say "Cool! I can see the movie AND buy that Dark Knight comic!"

Oh, right. That market. Naturally, if such a copyright violation took place, Mr. Avery should take the culprits to court and sue them for $38 in damages.

[jsiv]

It's just past 11am, and 32 of 655 tickets for the noon screening have been sold.

I know, I know, there's a full hour left and they'll sell thousands of tickets at the last minute.

[Comsat Angel]

95 Norwegian Crowns (about 16 US Dollars or 12 Euros), according to ref. If that sounds like a lot, remember that Norway is a hideously expensive country.

Yeah, but you get all that fantastic scenery for free.

[Denial]

So, the premiere is now over. I'm still waiting for the revolution...

I just woke up. Did I miss it?

[Ratatoskr]

I don't think you missed anything.

I'm still waiting for any newspapers/blogs to pick it up. So far, I haven't seen anything.

[LashL]

It's just past 11am, and 32 of 655 tickets for the noon screening have been sold.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1110346e441d5ebbd7.jpg

[Leif Roar]

Given that jsiv has Svalbard as part of his custom title, I'd guess that he can easily point to Norway on a map. In fact, if I had to, I'd guess he was Norwegian, or at least from Scandinavia.

Judging by his avatar, my first suspicion would be that he's not from Norway, but from Bergen.

[jsiv]

Judging by his avatar, my first suspicion would be that he's not from Norway, but from Bergen.


REPORTED FOR RACIALISTICISM!!!!!!!!!!!


We don't get to choose where we're born, man!

[Hyperviolet]

Ersu over at LCF attended the screening and posted a quick review. It gives you the basic outline of how the movie will look.


Here it is:



The first chapter about the hijackers and the conlusion was not in the test screening we wached. The man that was in WTC7 and heard explosions was neither in the movie.
* Prologue

+Very good introduction to the movie B)
+ Perfect
+ Better than even I could imagine.
- nothing

Chapter 2: The Able Danger Program
+ God iformation and wery important too.
- It shows only clips from tv stations, nothing new info

Chapter 3: the flights and NORAD tapes:
This is really the climax of the movie. Fantastic animations that shows all the planes. Very entertaining. Also shows many lies in the 9/11 commission. Perfect.
+ If the whole documentary was like this, it would be the best documentary in the world.
- nothing

Chapter 4: Pentagon
Shows both version and wich problems both they have to fit the facts.
+ Interviews people that actually saw the plane
+ Great animation + great interview with Ray McGovern (funny) :lol:
- Does not take up the research pilotes for 9/11 trut have done, and insted focuses that no-pane hit the building
- to long, many of the interviews takes to much time
- not as god edited as the last chapter.

Chapter 5: WTC
This is by far, the worst chapter in the movie.
+ Takes up the problem that the goverment lied about that the air was safe to breathe.
+ The video with a NIST guy cought in a lie. Nice!
+ The ending was good. Go to jail Christine Todd Whitman
- This chapter is even easier to debunk than the 2 edition
- Almost as washing 2 edition all over again
- Not as good editing, and far far far to long!!!!!!
- The first minutes in this chapter is just a waste of time. People talk and talk with no point at all. Discussing wich type of plane they saw over radio. People in the movie theatre bagan to yawn, bacause nobody understood anything.
- The movie shows to many people that are talking about explosions in the building. Almost everyone of them was in the 2nd dition, but where is William Rodriguez? My advice: Take only the 3-4 most important vitness and focus on them. Put the rest of the accounts in the extra matherial section.
- Many of the interviews were to long. For example, Steven Jones had to long intruduction and as he mentiod that there were 11 signs of controll demoliton the movie got boring. The movie focused far to much on them, and they could easily be debunkt.. My advice: Dont mention that there are so, so many signs of controll demolition. Just take the most important points and use some time on them. Use just enough time on them, so that a regular person can question the collaps. Put the rest in the extra stuff when the dvd comes out.
- Dont waste time on discussion question that easily can be debunkt.
- It takes time before the movie comes to a point in this chapter.
I would say: Focus less on WTC and more on WTC7. Use your time and cut this chapter to at least its half. Please, edit this capter as good as you did with the first. Please, please.

Chapter 6: Flight 93
Many good points, but far from perfect.
+ Great animation at the end.
+ Good points
- Some of the videos in this chapter have bin debukt quite good, and at I dont see a reason to put it there one more time.
- Not as god as the first chapters.
- Cut some of the videos from the tv stations and forcus more on really good points you had in the movie.

Chapter 7: WTC7
+ Good animation
+ God editing
- Sad that the guy that was in WTC7 and felt explosions, had gotten many threats so you could not include him in the movie.

Conclusion:
I had very high expectations for this movie. In the first 0-1 hour, the movie exceed my expectations. But then it became to similar to 2ed and had not the same standards as the previes chapters. But it`s still more powerfull documentary than the previews editions. :D
Loose Change: Final Cut can be one of the best documentary ever if they fix it`s problems. Don`t put in more info in the film, but cut the chapter about WTC + flight 93 and re-edit it. I want to show Final Cut in my school, but first the movie needs to be entertaining enough so the people wants to se the whole 2+ hours and not the only first hour.
Tanks for the much hard work you have put in this movie. :D
Gret job Loose Change guys

- http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15303 -

[defaultdotxbe]

Ersu over at LCF attended the screening and posted a quick review. It gives you the basic outline of how the movie will look.


Here it is:



The first chapter about the hijackers and the conlusion was not in the test screening we wached. The man that was in WTC7 and heard explosions was neither in the movie.
* Prologue

+Very good introduction to the movie B)
+ Perfect
+ Better than even I could imagine.
- nothing

Chapter 2: The Able Danger Program
+ God iformation and wery important too.
- It shows only clips from tv stations, nothing new info

Chapter 3: the flights and NORAD tapes:
This is really the climax of the movie. Fantastic animations that shows all the planes. Very entertaining. Also shows many lies in the 9/11 commission. Perfect.
+ If the whole documentary was like this, it would be the best documentary in the world.
- nothing

Chapter 4: Pentagon
Shows both version and wich problems both they have to fit the facts.
+ Interviews people that actually saw the plane
+ Great animation + great interview with Ray McGovern (funny) :lol:
- Does not take up the research pilotes for 9/11 trut have done, and insted focuses that no-pane hit the building
- to long, many of the interviews takes to much time
- not as god edited as the last chapter.

Chapter 5: WTC
This is by far, the worst chapter in the movie.
+ Takes up the problem that the goverment lied about that the air was safe to breathe.
+ The video with a NIST guy cought in a lie. Nice!
+ The ending was good. Go to jail Christine Todd Whitman
- This chapter is even easier to debunk than the 2 edition
- Almost as washing 2 edition all over again
- Not as good editing, and far far far to long!!!!!!
- The first minutes in this chapter is just a waste of time. People talk and talk with no point at all. Discussing wich type of plane they saw over radio. People in the movie theatre bagan to yawn, bacause nobody understood anything.
- The movie shows to many people that are talking about explosions in the building. Almost everyone of them was in the 2nd dition, but where is William Rodriguez? My advice: Take only the 3-4 most important vitness and focus on them. Put the rest of the accounts in the extra matherial section.
- Many of the interviews were to long. For example, Steven Jones had to long intruduction and as he mentiod that there were 11 signs of controll demoliton the movie got boring. The movie focused far to much on them, and they could easily be debunkt.. My advice: Dont mention that there are so, so many signs of controll demolition. Just take the most important points and use some time on them. Use just enough time on them, so that a regular person can question the collaps. Put the rest in the extra stuff when the dvd comes out.
- Dont waste time on discussion question that easily can be debunkt.
- It takes time before the movie comes to a point in this chapter.
I would say: Focus less on WTC and more on WTC7. Use your time and cut this chapter to at least its half. Please, edit this capter as good as you did with the first. Please, please.

Chapter 6: Flight 93
Many good points, but far from perfect.
+ Great animation at the end.
+ Good points
- Some of the videos in this chapter have bin debukt quite good, and at I dont see a reason to put it there one more time.
- Not as god as the first chapters.
- Cut some of the videos from the tv stations and forcus more on really good points you had in the movie.

Chapter 7: WTC7
+ Good animation
+ God editing
- Sad that the guy that was in WTC7 and felt explosions, had gotten many threats so you could not include him in the movie.

Conclusion:
I had very high expectations for this movie. In the first 0-1 hour, the movie exceed my expectations. But then it became to similar to 2ed and had not the same standards as the previes chapters. But it`s still more powerfull documentary than the previews editions. :D
Loose Change: Final Cut can be one of the best documentary ever if they fix it`s problems. Don`t put in more info in the film, but cut the chapter about WTC + flight 93 and re-edit it. I want to show Final Cut in my school, but first the movie needs to be entertaining enough so the people wants to se the whole 2+ hours and not the only first hour.
Tanks for the much hard work you have put in this movie. :D
Gret job Loose Change guys

- http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15303 -
god sure did a lot og editing on this movie

[LashL]

and insted focuses that no-pane hit the building

This is surprising, given the stance of Do-Over and Friends at the Loose With the Truth Forum. I suspect that the no-planer parts will be edited out of the "Final Final Final Final Final We Really Mean it This Time" version of the Twoof.

[Ratatoskr]

ah, how typical.. (from the LC forum):
BTW... we should be aware that the film is still being edited, and the version Ersa saw will not be the final version.

Still being edited? Not the final version? So... "Final Cut" doesn't mean Final Cut?

[Gravy]

"Loose Change: Final Cut can be one of the best documentary ever if they fix it`s problems."

And one of the shortest!

[ref]

It's very telling, that the best part of the movie are the animations. Not the facts.

[Ratatoskr]

Yes, it was full, so they sreened the movie 2 more times the next day. The movie became popular there even before its premiere because it got hypet up on the local tv news days before its sreening.


"Hyped on the local tv news"? I wonder if they actually sold out all those 600 seats...



Who narrated? Dylan?
Yes he did, but I dont belive that he will be narrating the movie in the final version.


Final version? Come on! I thought this was the final version?

This is just getting so ridiculous..


Loose Change Final Cut is the third and final edition of an American documentary, written and produced by Dylan Avery and produced by Korey Rowe in cooperation with researcher Jason Bermas. All of them are from New York.

(Emphasis mine)

So they have been lying to the Protest Festival?

I wonder what comes first, Loose Change (the last and FINAL version) or Duke Nukem Forever (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever)

[timhau]

Yeah, but you get all that fantastic scenery for free.

Yeah, and the Viking Ship Museum in Oslo is great. Still, economy travel, shopping, or pub crawling sure ain't among the many things Norway has going for it.

[Alareth]

Chapter 5: WTC

- This chapter is even easier to debunk than the 2 edition



:D


ETA: I can find Norway on a map, it's in the top part of the continent of Not America right?

[ref]

:D


ETA: I can find Norway on a map, it's in the top part of the continent of Not America right?

Yep. It's the Westsiiide of Scandinavia.

[Alareth]

Yep. It's the Westsiiide of Scandinavia.

Dude ... Norway is like ... the Canada of Europe.

[ref]

Dude ... Norway is like ... the Canada of Europe.

But way way smaller.

[Leif Roar]

But way way smaller.

Smaller, perhaps, but way, way smaller? If we include Queen Maud's land, Canada is only three times as large as Norway. (Okay, so if we exclude Queen Maud's land, it's about thirty times.)

[~enigma~]

I wonder what comes first, Loose Change (the last and FINAL version) or Duke Nukem Forever (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever)
All along Dylan has been saying this was a test screening in Norway and NYC. All along I have been saying the same here. nobody listens...

[ref]

All along Dylan has been saying this was a test screening in Norway and NYC. All along I have been saying the same here. nobody listens...

What are the test screenings for?

[Henry Crun]

I think the NWO changed the reels before screening. This cannot be the first ultimate preview-version of FC. Why should Dylan leave out all of his smoking-gun-stuff?

- no ISI/Pakistan-Connection in it?
- what about the floorplans? Remember what a show it was when (and how) Dylan presented it?
- the amazing picture of the vent on the roof just said it all about the movement. Why leave it out?

No way Dylan would keep these efforts of his masterfull research out of the movie. Why would he hold back his critical-hit-arguments? What would be the use just present old stuff with some new animations?

I know it´s still too early to comment, but not too early for a CT:
CIA changed the movie before screening. Impossible the Illuminati (praise them, may they live forever! Yogg saghot vdenn!) would LIHOP on this.

[Shrinker]

All along Dylan has been saying this was a test screening in Norway and NYC. All along I have been saying the same here. nobody listens...

He has indeed, but he's never shown a proper grasp of the film process or its terminology. Test screenings are not publicised, advertised, and marketed directly at the most rabid fanboys. They are not shown at 'major' events on significant dates. There is no fanfare or boasts about ticket sales. In fact, there are no ticket sales at all.

This test screening looks every bit like it was supposed to be a premiere but the film wasn't finished in time.

[~enigma~]

What are the test screenings for?
To test the reaction of the viewer and that is what they say.

[~enigma~]

He has indeed, but he's never shown a proper grasp of the film process or its terminology. Test screenings are not publicised, advertised, and marketed directly at the most rabid fanboys. They are not shown at 'major' events on significant dates. There is no fanfare or boasts about ticket sales. In fact, there are no ticket sales at all.

This test screening looks every bit like it was supposed to be a premiere but the film wasn't finished in time.
You saying Norway and GZ on 9/10 are major events...ok :)

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Chapter 6: Flight 93
...
+ Great animation at the end.

God, I hate these people.

[Shrinker]

You saying Norway and GZ on 9/10 are major events...ok :)

I put scare quotes in for a reason. On the twoofer calendar they're pretty big.

[~enigma~]

I put scare quotes in for a reason. On the twoofer calendar they're pretty big.
And how many tickets were sold total for these major events?

[T.A.M.]

A better variable to measure, would be "what percent of the Norweigan Truth Movement" attended the Norway event...lol

TAM;)

[ref]

To test the reaction of the viewer and that is what they say.

Yes, that's what I thought. I just don't see the point why they have to do that. Are they really going to alter the movie in two months, based on the feedback they get? If the reaction is poor, what will they do then. Cancel or postpone it?

[Shrinker]

And how many tickets were sold total for these major events?

Um... pitifully few? But I don't see any Twoof events with a bigger fanfare.

I'm not sure what you're trying to debate with me. This year's GZ event was supposed to be huge. 5,000-10,000 people per day, millions taken in ticket sales. Photos so far barely show a dozen. That pops their bubble, not mine.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Aren't test screenings supposed to be screened to people who have no interest in the film in the first place (to get the "Average Bjorn's" opinion)?

[~enigma~]

Yes, that's what I thought. I just don't see the point why they have to do that. Are they really going to alter the movie in two months, based on the feedback they get? If the reaction is poor, what will they do then. Cancel or postpone it?
Apparently Dylan will to some extentl. The screening was without the first and final chapters.

[~enigma~]

Um... pitifully few? But I don't see any Twoof events with a bigger fanfare.

I'm not sure what you're trying to debate with me. This year's GZ event was supposed to be huge. 5,000-10,000 people per day, millions taken in ticket sales. Photos so far barely show a dozen. That pops their bubble, not mine.
Few isn't a major event. And I am not debating but is it incorrect of me to disagree with you?

[Shrinker]

Few isn't a major event. And I am not debating but is it incorrect of me to disagree with you?

I've no idea what you're disagreeing with, sorry.

[~enigma~]

I've no idea what you're disagreeing with, sorry.
That it wasn't a major event and that it was anything more than a test screening. You really couldn't figure out what I disagreed with? Show me exactly what I said hat wasn't clear.

[~enigma~]

A better variable to measure, would be "what percent of the Norweigan Truth Movement" attended the Norway event...lol

TAM;)
Norway has a population of about 4.5 million. Your guess is as good as mine about how many truthers. the answer to that question is that probably a large percentage of a miniscule movement showed up.

[ref]

Based on the review on LCF, this movie doesn't offer much new and has already been debunked. 11 signs of CD, Pentagon stuff, flight 93, WTC7, Steven Jones, Gordon Ross, old TV clips.

Only new material seems to be new animations and some new NORAD tapes analysis, maybe something more on Able Danger.

[~enigma~]

Based on the review on LCF, this movie doesn't offer much new and has already been debunked. 11 signs of CD, Pentagon stuff, flight 93, WTC7, Steven Jones, Gordon Ross, old TV clips.

Only new material seems to be new animations and some new NORAD tapes analysis, maybe something more on Able Danger.
Note the absence of Kevin Ryan and William Rodriguez.

[ref]

Note the absence of Kevin Ryan and William Rodriguez.

Yes I noticed. Interesting.

[The Silver Shadow]

Only new material seems to be new animations and some new NORAD tapes analysis, maybe something more on Able Danger.
Dylan did say that the new film would be undebunkable, but if it's the same old recycled arguments, what a load of <rule 8>, or was it <10>?

[~enigma~]

Dylan did say that the new film would be undebunkable, but if it's the same old recycled arguments, what a load of <rule 8>, or was it <10>?
rule 10 dude.

[The Silver Shadow]

rule 10 dude.
Thanks, appreciate it :)

[jsiv]

Dylan did say that the new film would be undebunkable, but if it's the same old recycled arguments, what a load of <rule 8>, or was it <10>?


It's undebunkable because it doesn't look like we're ever gonna get to see it.

[Calcas]

The same reviewer later adds,

"There were many people in the movie theatre that didnt belive that 9/11 was an inside job. They didnt change their mind after the movie. Final Cut is a movie that proofs that the official story we are given is a lie, not that it was an inside job."

(bolding mine)

[~enigma~]

The same reviewer later adds,

"There were many people in the movie theatre that didnt belive that 9/11 was an inside job. They didnt change their mind after the movie. Final Cut is a movie that proofs that the official story we are given is a lie, not that it was an inside job."

(bolding mine)
LIHOP at best?

[T.A.M.]

And that is the rub of it. Dylan has realized that the MIHOP is a dead duck, and that the only way to hang on to any sense of longevity, and any hopes of attracting a larger audience, is the path of "press for truth". He just like to flirt a little more with the MIHOP arguements than the Jersey Girls do.

TAM:)

[ref]

It can not be a LIHOP, if they are talking about the controlled demolition. And they are.

[~enigma~]

It can not be a LIHOP, if they are talking about the controlled demolition. And they are.
DId you see this post?

Final Cut is a movie that proofs that the official story we are given is a lie, not that it was an inside job."

[ref]

DId you see this post?

So ok. They have Steven Jones talking about 11 signs of controlled demolition, but the movie does not take a stand. They have people talking about explosions on the towers, but the movie does not take a stand nor explain these explosions.

It sounds like a MIHOP movie in disguise then, they are saying people say this, but they don't take a stand themselves. Because I really doubt they are offering a counter argument to Steven Jones and his 11 sign hypothesis.

[T.A.M.]

I think my opinion on 9/11, is that we have not been given the entire truth, and likely never will, but that the overall jist of the story, including who did it, why they did it, and how they did it...is essentially as we have been told.

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

So ok. They have Steven Jones talking about 11 signs of controlled demolition, but the movie does not take a stand. They have people talking about explosions on WTC7, but the movie does not take a stand.

It sounds like a MIHOP movie in disguise then, they are saying people say this, but they don't take a stand themselves. Because I really doubt they are offering a counter argument to Steven Jones and his 11 sign hypothesis.

Dylan is hedging his bets. I think he loves the MIHOP arguements, but I do not think he really believes them. He also knows, after a few years in this thing, that they are not going to fly with a wider audience...but LIHOP/LIHOI might.

TAM:)

[~enigma~]

So ok. They have Steven Jones talking about 11 signs of controlled demolition, but the movie does not take a stand. They have people talking about explosions on the towers, but the movie does not take a stand nor explain these explosions.

It sounds like a MIHOP movie in disguise then, they are saying people say this, but they don't take a stand themselves. Because I really doubt they are offering a counter argument to Steven Jones and his 11 sign hypothesis.
Ok...whatever although with two differing thoughts I figured some people would be inclined to wait before jumping to conclusions that may be wrng.

[jberryhill]

Does it have Norwegian subtitles?

(Like the opening credits of Monty Python & The Holy Grail?)

((okay, I realize that was Swedish, but I understand they have moose in Norway too!))

[T.A.M.]

We have a Caribou on one of our coins (The Quarter).

TAM:)

[ref]

Ok...whatever although with two differing thoughts I figured some people would be inclined to wait before jumping to conclusions that may be wrng.

Of course I wait for the movie. These conclusions are based on the info we have thus far. He has said he will include CD in the movie. That to me is MIHOP no matter how you put it. But I will wait and see before the final judgment.

[~enigma~]

Of course I wait for the movie. These conclusions are based on the info we have thus far. He has said he will include CD in the movie. That to me is MIHOP no matter how you put it. But I will wait and see before the final judgment.
There are two entirely different statements about LC:FC made by someone who has seen the movie. So the info you have is conflicting and a conclusion can't be based off that. Why don't you look at the rest of the review? Do you want LC:FC to be MIHOP? If you prefer to go on and make an assumption based on two different thoughts, you are free to do so but don't complain if you end up wiping egg off your face. What is it they say about assumptions?

[Ratatoskr]

Does it have Norwegian subtitles?

(Like the opening credits of Monty Python & The Holy Grail?)

((okay, I realize that was Swedish, but I understand they have moose in Norway too!))

Like "Dick Chënëy once bit my sister?"

[maccy]

Yep. It's the Westsiiide of Scandinavia.

I've got triple-corroborated witnesses that tell me it has to be on the North Side of of Scandinavia.

Are you telling me they're lying?

What's your real name?

I'll add you to my list of accomplices in the geographical coverup.

You're nothing Ref, just an anonymous forum poster.

I've asked a handful of people where they think Norway is, what have you done?

If Norway is on the North Side then continental drift is an inside job.

If Chewbacca lives on Endor you must acquit.

:D

[Calcas]

I've got triple-corroborated witnesses that tell me hit has to be on the North Side of of Scandinavia.

Are you telling me they're lying?

What's your real name?

I'll add you to my list of accomplices in the geographical coverup.

You're nothing Ref, just an anonymous forum poster.

I've asked a handful of people where they think Norway is, what have you done?

If Norway is on the North Side then continental drift is an inside job.

If Chewbacca lives on Endor you must acquit.

:D


Merc and Lyte...what have you done with maccy???????:eek:

[Hyperviolet]

I agree with Ref.

For LF:FC to include the controlled demolition hypothesis is to say the government actively had a hand in killing americans.

The only other way you can cut it would if they took the bystanding position:
"Some people even believe that there is evidence that the WTCs were demolished with pre-planted explosives."

Moreover, if Ersu's review is indeed accurate and that LTW are of the conviction that no plane hit the pentagon, then it cannot be anything but a MIHOP documentary. To say Flight 77 did not strike the building is not to say they let attacks happen on purpose, it is to openly claim the attacks were staged.

[maccy]

He has indeed, but he's never shown a proper grasp of the film process or its terminology. Test screenings are not publicised, advertised, and marketed directly at the most rabid fanboys. They are not shown at 'major' events on significant dates. There is no fanfare or boasts about ticket sales. In fact, there are no ticket sales at all.

This test screening looks every bit like it was supposed to be a premiere but the film wasn't finished in time.

A test screening is never of a film with bits missing. It's a finished version of a film that producers think they might have to go back to and change. And, as you said, the screenings are free and not part of the publicity drive for the film.

Dylan hasn't even got to the point of having a film to test. So, this isn;t a test screening, if he was honest he would have announced it as the screening of a work in progress or (better still) and unfinished version.

Enigma is essentially correct, though, Dylan has not been claiming that this is the final version of the film, for some time now. If other organisations want to claim that it is, it isn't really Dylan's fault - although he's in deirect contact with them, so you'd think he'd correct their misinterpretations.

[T.A.M.]

My comments are based on what we have heard here, what I have read from Dylan etal myself, and rumors...so yes pretty weakly founded evidence wise, but it is also based on a gut feeling, and a keen sense of reading things this way...

We will see how right I am.

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

I suspect the "test screenings" are a means to determine what needs to come out or go into the final version. He has his own private test audience, so why not make use of it...sound reasoning AFAIC.

Be nice to get a copy of the test version, then compare it to the final cut to see what differences there are.

TAM:)

[ref]

I've got triple-corroborated witnesses that tell me hit has to be on the North Side of of Scandinavia.

Norway is on the west AND the north side of Scandinavia. Got you there :D

Are you telling me they're lying?

No :p

What's your real name?

Ilkka (or is it). You can have my first name (if you believe that is the one). It's even on my 911guide e-mail sender column (if I gave the right first name).

I'll add you to my list of accomplices in the geographical coverup.

Damn.

You're nothing Ref, just an anonymous forum poster.

I just gave you my name, which is probably real.

I've asked a handful of people where they think Norway is, what have you done?

I have been to Norway. To Oslo, Trondheim, Geiranger, all that. What have YOU done.

If Norway is on the North Side then continental drift is an inside job.

It is also on north side, as I explained.

If Chewbacca lives on Endor you must acquit.

Whut?

:D

[Hyperviolet]

What is surprising is the missing ISI section.
That seems to be Dylan's strongest leg, yet there is no mention of it in the review.

Unless of course the reviewer:

a) Forgot about that section (which would suggest it only has a very minor role in the piece)

or

b) Did not see that section because it's addressed in the 1st or final chapter, which were not screened.

[ref]

There are two entirely different statements about LC:FC made by someone who has seen the movie. So the info you have is conflicting and a conclusion can't be based off that. Why don't you look at the rest of the review? Do you want LC:FC to be MIHOP? If you prefer to go on and make an assumption based on two different thoughts, you are free to do so but don't complain if you end up wiping egg off your face. What is it they say about assumptions?

The info I have from Dylan is conflicting? On the post you quoted I said nothing about that Norwegian guy. I said Dylan has said he will include the CD. I have looked at the review. The review is not LIHOP only. I don't want LCFC to be a MIHOP movie. Why would I want that? Or, say, why would you assume that? When asked about dropping the CD of the twin towers, Dylan's answer was 100% not. How wrong can I interpret that?

Why all the hostility.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

I hear Norway is ruled by: 40 specially trained Ecuadorian Mountain Llamas, 6 Venezuelan Red Llamas, 142 Mexican Whooping Llamas, 14 North Chilean Guanacos (closely related to the Llamas), Red Llama of Brixton, and laws are enforced with an iron hoof by 76000 Battery Llamas from "Llamas-Fresh" Farms Ltd. Near Paraguay.

Is it true?

[Par]

I hear Norway is ruled by: 40 specially trained Ecuadorian Mountain Llamas, 6 Venezuelan Red Llamas, 142 Mexican Whooping Llamas, 14 North Chilean Guanacos (closely related to the Llamas), Red Llama of Brixton, and laws are enforced with an iron hoof by 76000 Battery Llamas from "Llamas-Fresh" Farms Ltd. Near Paraguay.

Is it true?


Ja, men Kongen og.

[maccy]

If Chewbacca lives on Endor you must acquit.

Whut?

:D

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2938467#post2938467

[jsiv]

Norway is on the west AND the north side of Scandinavia. Got you there


It's on the east side.


I have been to Norway. To Oslo, Trondheim, Geiranger, all that. What have YOU done.


I'm Norwegian and I have spoken to other people that were also in Norway at the time, and none of them remember seeing or hearing you. I think you've got some explaining to do.

[T.A.M.]

yah I love it when I tell people online I am from Canada, and they say,

"Oh really...do you know so and so."

yes, we are one big 28 Million strong Family.

TAM;)

[Civilized Worm]

I get the feeling from the less the glowing reaction from the norwegian twoofers that we could be seeing the final release pushed even further back.


The big news was that the group were going to nominate David Ray Griffin and 9/11 Truth Movement for the Nobel Peace Prize.:jaw-dropp


Well if mother Tereasa and Henry Kissinger can have them why the hell not?

[maccy]

Norway is on the west AND the north side of Scandinavia. Got you there :D

That's like saying the plane was on the north AND south side of the Citgo.

Which is it?

[CHF]

So Dylan's going with no Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon? Coulda sworn he was gonna drop that bit of idiocy. I guess he's desperate to hang on to his base.

[T.A.M.]

I wonder how Russ Pickering may or may not have influenced this decision.

At least there is no flyover BS.

TAM:)

[dudalb]

So it's 85% the same old crap with a little new crap thrown in?
Why am I not surprised?
Have DYlan's film making skills improved any?

[Norseman]

Here is some more information about the presentations held before the screening of Loose Change FC from our Norwegian twoofer blogger:
http://www.vgb.no/14296/perma/243459 (In Norwegian)

He has also put up a video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7777324122688452840) of David Ray Griffins presentation before the screening of LCFC on Google.

Starting at 35 min into the presentation Griffin retell the latest version of the Barry Jennings tale, the one where he and Michael Hess are trapped by an explosion in WTC 7 long before either of the towers collapsed. Do Griffin really believe all the nonsense he is presenting? Or do he think that "wow, they swallowed that one to"?

[jsiv]

Here is some more information about the presentations held before the screening of Loose Change FC from our Norwegian twoofer blogger:
http://www.vgb.no/14296/perma/243459 (In Norwegian)

He has also put up a video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7777324122688452840) of David Ray Griffins presentation before the screening of LCFC on Google.

Starting at 35 min into the presentation Griffin retell the latest version of the Barry Jennings tale, the one where he and Michael Hess are trapped by an explosion in WTC 7 long before either of the towers collapsed. Do Griffin really believe all the nonsense he is presenting? Or do he think that "wow, they swallowed that one to"?


Good stuff.

Also, the non-word "innsidejobb" is an abomination that makes me want to punch them in the face.

[ref]

That's like saying the plane was on the north AND south side of the Citgo.

Which is it?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1363946e626fdab61a.gif

Both. Case closed :p

[jsiv]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1363946e626fdab61a.gif

Both. Case closed :p


It's actually west, north, and east, since Finland is not part of Scandinavia.

[ref]

It's actually west, north, and east, since Finland is not part of Scandinavia.

Nitpick :D

[maccy]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1363946e626fdab61a.gif

Both. Case closed :p

How do I know you didn't draw that yourself? The url even says jref.

(I think we should probably stop here :D)

[GT/CS]

It's actually west, north, and east, since Finland is not part of Scandinavia.

Well, that hardly seem fair! Why can't they be part of the team?

[jsiv]

Well, that hardly seem fair! Why can't they be part of the team?


They dress funny.

[Comsat Angel]

Also, they drink a lot.

[LashL]

A couple of interesting posts on the Loose With the Truth forum tonight about LCFC The Final Insult.

A couple of posters say that Jason told them that LC:FC The Final Insult should be released on DVD around November 11.

Jason told me today that November 11th around that it should be on DVD


Yeah that's what he told me as well.


It seems to me that, if true, that would negate a theatrical release. Of course, the magic words are "if true" since one can never take anything that Jason Bermas says (or that the rest of the twoofers say, for that matter) at face value.

That makes even more unusual another exchange there where Rev91 asks,

When was this? What about theaters?


(As if the word "today" didn't already answer the first question ~ lol)
The response to the second question, though, was this:

still working on it


http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15447

[maccy]

As I've said before, I can't see them paying for even a single 35mm print without someone else coming on board to give them the money to do it. So, I don't think it'll be in theatres anywhere in the world, ever.

Although some truth groups might pay to hire somewhere with a DVD projector.

[LashL]

As I've said before, I can't see them paying for even a single 35mm print without someone else coming on board to give them the money to do it. So, I don't think it'll be in theatres anywhere in the world, ever.

Although some truth groups might pay to hire somewhere with a DVD projector.


Agreed. And to use the (somewhat crude) vernacular, I think the LC crapumentary video has shot its wad, and now that the 6th anniversary draws to a close without the completion of "Version 4.0: The Final Insult", it will never will never gain anywhere near the momentum that the early versions had (which they only had in the absence of debunking anyway).

[jberryhill]

Is it really true that the native dance of Lapland is the Lap Dance?

[dudalb]

They dress funny.


And Finnish Names are too hard to pronounce.

[ref]

Our names are not hard to pronounce.. to us :D

And brits drink more than us :p And we don't dress funny, quit making jokes about my dress!

Maybe you can get a lapdance in Lapland, though. Dunno.

[qarnos]

Not very well by all accounts. Although some comedians got through all the security in a fake motorcade. They had Canadian flags on a black limo and a guy inside dressed as Osama Bin Laden and they got to just outside GWB's hotel. Canada aren't even here at APEC.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070906/2/14czx.html

If anyone is still interested, you can see the video here (http://www.abc.net.au/tv/chaser/war/).

[rjh01]

If anyone is still interested, you can see the video here (http://www.abc.net.au/tv/chaser/war/).
That subject is duscusse here OBL Arrested in Sydney, sort of... (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=92417)

[MG1962]

Are we Finnished yet :)