Dentist: I Don't Have to Pay Taxes--And Neither Do Most People

[Temporal Renegade]

Wow, I didn't know that I might not have to pay taxes! I'd better get one Hell of a refund for all those years I paid them!

http://www.theledger.com/article/20070830/NEWS/708300552/1039

[ImaginalDisc]

From the article:

It has been hard representing herself without his help, she said, adding that U.S. District Judge James Moody refused to allow most evidence she wants to introduce.

"It's been a challenge. I really don't know what I'm doing," she said. "The odds are stacked against you. Everything I've put in is based on the rules of the court and they wouldn't let it in."

She hasn't filed a federal income tax return since 1999, she said, after "doing my own research and gaining new understanding that really there is no such thing as a U.S. citizen." Also, she said, the United States has the status of a corporation, and no person can be a citizen of a corporation.

So, she admits she's too ignorant of the facts and laws to argue her own case, but she's sure enough about it to go to trial and risk going to prison rather than settling with the IRS?

[MWare]

I really wish when people pulled this stunt, they would just shut off their water and stop picking up their trash. I'd love to see a firefighter stand next to her as her house burned down and say "Gee, too bad you don't live in the United States or I could've helped you out there".

[brodski]

Another victim of of the "tax protester" cult. And she's representing herself which means that that she's got a fool for a lawyer.

her only hope is that she somehow manages to convince the court that she really didn't understand that she had to file for taxes, and that she is a raving (but sincere) idiot- and they'll take pity on her and go easy.

[Temporal Renegade]

Reminds me of the Family Guy episode "E. Peterbus Unum", where Peter secedes his house from the United States because his house wasn't listed on a local map (after arguing with Mayor Adam West about zoning laws).

[Loss Leader]

You have to love the picture the paper ran of her. I can only imagine that the photographer pointed the camera and said, "Okay, look crazy!"

[Temporal Renegade]

You have to love the picture the paper ran of her. I can only imagine that the photographer pointed the camera and said, "Okay, look crazy!"

"Taxes?! I thought you said, I don't have to pay Texas!!"

[NobbyNobbs]

I wonder how she expects the judge to get paid for his services?

[CptColumbo]

So, she's making an average of approximately $750,000, and couldn't find a lawyer to consult with?

[GodMark2]

So, she's making an average of approximately $750,000, and couldn't find a lawyer to consult with?

No, she couldn't find a lawyer that thought her case had a chance of success.

[Temporal Renegade]

No, she couldn't find a lawyer that thought her case had a chance of success.

Besides, she probably wouldn't pay the lawyer anyway, since she's 'not a citizen', and probably sees herself as being exempt from paying legal fees.

[CptColumbo]

Maybe it went:

Dentist: So do I have a case?

Lawyer: From a legal stand point, and I'm going to get technical here, you're out of your mind. That'll be $10,000 and that's a discount for giving me a good laugh.

[ImaginalDisc]

I was just wondering what this dentist, acting as her own lawyer, thinks about people who act as their own dentists.

[Darth Rotor]

I was just wondering what this dentist, acting as her own lawyer, thinks about people who act as their own dentists.

She probably sees them as "pay me now or pay me later" folks, since the odds are that self dentistry will mess them up enough to where they have to eventually see her, or another dentist.

DR

[shuize]

Dealing with pro se litigants is a pain in the ass for the judges and opposing attorneys, but it usually results in considerable entertainment for everyone else in the courtroom.

[ImaginalDisc]

She probably sees them as "pay me now or pay me later" folks, since the odds are that self dentistry will mess them up enough to where they have to eventually see her, or another dentist.

DR

Yeeesssss. . .and the analogy to lawyers still stands.

[shuize]

Yeeesssss. . .and the analogy to lawyers still stands.



Although related, at first, I thought the reason she was representing herself was due to the fact that she didn't have much of a case. But lawyers will take loser cases as long as they get their money up front. I now suspect it's more a matter of her (and her husband) probably telling any prospective lawyer exactly how they expected him to argue their case and no one being willing to risk their reputation in the legal community by making such crackpot (and frivolous) arguments. Not to mention how difficult such people would be to have as paying clients.

As the quote above suggests, I wonder if she'll continue pro se when she has to appeal a 10 year federal sentence? Her only hope, as also noted above, is to somehow convince the jury she is too retarded to understand what she's done:

"Sure, I'm smart enough to finish dental school and manage a million dollar practice, but I'm really too stupid to realize I actually do have to pay taxes."

[dudalb]

Remind me not to go to her for my Dental needs.

[headscratcher4]

It is magical thinking...she thinks she's found some magical formula that will free her from what other citizens must do. But I note she isn't brave enough to get out there and run for office or try to change the political system...she hope that by repeating the mantra it will all come true. Pathetic.

[CptColumbo]

So, she's claiming to not be a US citizen, but applied for a US passport?

Nice.

[shuize]

It is magical thinking...she thinks she's found some magical formula that will free her from what other citizens must do. But I note she isn't brave enough to get out there and run for office or try to change the political system...she hope that by repeating the mantra it will all come true. Pathetic.


That"s exactly right. Like the article points out with this dentist, they pick and choose selected passages, ignore that which is inconvenient, and recite their "no-tax" slogans like a mantra. I've had conversations with someone who buys into this (incidently, he also buys into the 911 inside job silliness as well).

Before I stopped discussing such things with him it usually went something like this:

Him: There's no law that says I have to pay taxes.

Me: U.S.C. Title 26 says you do.

Him: Those laws are an unconstitutional direct tax.

Me: The 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution says it is not.

Him: The 16th Amendment was never properly ratified.

Me: The Supreme Court of the United States has repeatedly stated that it was.

Him: The Supreme Court is wrong.

Me: They are not. But even if they were, you have to pay taxes until they say otherwise.

Him: There's no law that says that I have to pay taxes.

etc....

Actually, I'm giving him too much credit. His arguments were never quite that clear. But I'm sure you get the idea.

[drkitten]

Although related, at first, I thought the reason she was representing herself was due to the fact that she didn't have much of a case. But lawyers will take loser cases as long as they get their money up front.

Loser cases, yes.

Frivolous loser cases,.... not usually.

If a case is bad enough that the judge thinks that the lawyer should have known better than to touch it, the judge can and will often sanction the lawyers. See the recent thread about the Ryan lawsuit on the conspiracy forum.

[headscratcher4]

She has crazy eyes.

[Curnir]

http://www.theledger.com/article/20070831/NEWS/708310418

Surprise surprise. She was convicted, whodathunkit.

[TragicMonkey]

She has crazy eyes.

She probably has other crazy habits, too.

I bet she keeps her patients' removed teeth, and makes them into jewelry. Or maybe she sewed them all to a fancy ballgown, and at night she dresses up in it and walks around her house, clattering.

I predict her next legal argument is that, as the Tooth Fairy, she is a supernatural entity not subject to either US law or the laws of physics. She will then use her wand in an attempt to use Avada Kedavra on the judge. (Would that count as attempted murder, if the perp thought it would work? The intent alone would make it a sin in some denominations of Christianity.)

[rjh01]

What would be my penalty if I was convicted of stealing from my employer $1 million? Because what she has been convicted of doing is in my mind just as bad.

As for representing herself it may be to try to get the sympathy of the jury.

[Temporal Renegade]

http://www.theledger.com/article/20070831/NEWS/708310418

Surprise surprise. She was convicted, whodathunkit.

Dang! She was our Last Great Hope at fighting 'The Man'!
:)

[Alt+F4]

She probably has other crazy habits, too.

It seems she had multiple lawsuits against her employeer because he had the nerve to "steal" from her by witholding federal income tax from her paycheck.

Linky: http://www.cheatingfrenzy.com/ware_2_38.pdf

[Charlie Monoxide]

I have no problem with these "tax protesters" not paying their taxes. Just don't use the public roads or any of the other government assets or services.

Charlie (maybe just pay BIG tolls for using the roads) Monoxide

[TriangleMan]

Montgomery-Ware said tax codes are deliberately written in a confusing fashion, and it took her years of research and study to come to her current conclusions.
Years of research to trott forth arguments repeatedly crushed in court cases?? uh-huh. Right. :rolleyes:

[KoihimeNakamura]

Hey. She could have been a slow reader. >_>

[timhau]

http://www.theledger.com/article/20070831/NEWS/708310418

Surprise surprise. She was convicted, whodathunkit.

I wonder if it's a coincidence that below the news article, in a section 'Comment on this article', the first headline is 'New Schizophrenia Drug Shows Promise in Trials'.

Anyhow, I, for one, congratulate her on her choice. She was a successful dentist and wanted to find a way to screw up her life. Murder has a direct victim and it is irreversible, if you do coke you'll enrich drug cartels, but refusing to pay taxes is a great choice all around -- you'll not only get hard time, but you will be forced to pay anyway. Way to go, girl!

[shuize]

It seems she had multiple lawsuits against her employeer because he had the nerve to "steal" from her by witholding federal income tax from her paycheck.

Linky: http://www.cheatingfrenzy.com/ware_2_38.pdf


After reading that link, I can't help but wonder if it wasn't her stupid obstinance in repeatedly filing the exact same "theft" claim for tax withholdings that prompted someone in the courthouse to pick up the phone to the IRS.