This 'Fisk thing' is getting attention ...

[scooby]

http://thetyee.ca/Views/2006/06/05/Fisk/

[Caper]

That must have been another Fisk thing... That article is over a year old.

[Gravy]

Interesting detail from that article:

Fisk told of being on a New York-bound airliner on 9/11, and getting the news via cell phone from his editor in London. After alerting the crew, he described himself and the pilot then walking the length of the plane, looking for suspicious (because Muslim) passengers.I wonder if they were in flight. I would guess not, since a cell signal wouldn't travel far over water, but it amused me nonetheless.

[gtc]

I wonder if they were in flight.

Assuming that his memory bears any resemblance to reality.

Do you know when the media first speculated that Muslims were responsible for the attacks?

[leftysergeant]

I've only heard at second-hand of Fisk before this week. Some of what I have read attributed to him seems out of synch with what I know of Arabs, and Muslims. Is he normally a reasonably reliable source or does he have wooish connections? Google isn't being very helpful on him.

[gtc]

I've only heard at second-hand of Fisk before this week. Some of what I have read attributed to him seems out of synch with what I know of Arabs, and Muslims. Is he normally a reasonably reliable source or does he have wooish connections? Google isn't being very helpful on him.

I think he plays loose with the facts in order to make for a good story or to advocate for a change in Western opinions and actions towards the Middle East.

However, he is a respected journalist at the left leaning Independent in London with many years in the field.

Thus my opinion of him may be coloured by my dislike for the policies he advocates.

All I can suggest is that you track down more of his pieces and try to fact check them yourself.

[CJOKUSAP]

Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11

Robert Fisk

The Independent

Published: 25 August 2007

Each time I lecture abroad on the Middle East, there is always someone in the audience – just one – whom I call the "raver". Apologies here to all the men and women who come to my talks with bright and pertinent questions – often quite humbling ones for me as a journalist – and which show that they understand the Middle East tragedy a lot better than the journalists who report it. But the "raver" is real. He has turned up in corporeal form in Stockholm and in Oxford, in Sao Paulo and in Yerevan, in Cairo, in Los Angeles and, in female form, in Barcelona. No matter the country, there will always be a "raver".

Do not post entire articles.

[Big Les]

I think he's pretty representative of the non-critically thinking but educated and intelligent journos, as well as of the cynical left and middle here in the UK. Mild versions of CT appeal so much, they refuse to call them "busted" because they can no longer use them as (practically) a metaphor for Bush's "evil".

I'd suggest that if people are going to either contact him or to comment somewhere obvious (even here) that they be careful of ad homs etc - if he's reasonable, he might just see where we're coming from. Then again he may not give a monkey's.

[CJOKUSAP]

Try me and see!

[T.A.M.]

#1 I hope that wasnt the entire article you posted above, as that is a breech of your membership agreement.

#2. You are suppose to provide a link to the full article when you quote one.

Looking for another quick suspension are we???

TAM:)

[DGM]

What about the third tower – the so-called World Trade Centre Building 7 (or the Salmon Brothers Building) – which collapsed in 6.6 seconds in its own footprint at 5.20pm on 11 September?

CJOKUSAP:
This man a journalist? Why doesn't he check his facts then? He neglects the east penthouse (start of collapse). The collapse time was 18+ seconds.

[CJOKUSAP]

#1 I hope that wasnt the entire article you posted above, as that is a breech of your membership agreement.

#2. You are suppose to provide a link to the full article when you quote one.

Looking for another quick suspension are we???

TAM:)

#1 No, I left the header off it. Do you want me to get it?
#2 Well, I never knew that!
Would I have come back after my suspension if I was/ What would be the point?

[Par]

Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11

Robert Fisk

The Independent

Published: 25 August 2007

Each time I lecture abroad on the Middle East, there is always someone in the audience – just one – whom I call the "raver". Apologies here to all the men and women who come to my talks with bright and pertinent questions – often quite humbling ones for me as a journalist – and which show that they understand the Middle East tragedy a lot better than the journalists who report it. But the "raver" is real. He has turned up in corporeal form in Stockholm and in Oxford, in Sao Paulo and in Yerevan, in Cairo, in Los Angeles and, in female form, in Barcelona. No matter the country, there will always be a "raver"...


http://twentysixh.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/fisking-fisk/

[brodski]

However, he is a respected journalist at the left leaning Independent in London with many years in the field.


The Indy is not left leaning, the whole point of the indy is to be centerist by allowing a wide range of politcal opinions from across the specturm.

Fisk, howeaver, is a lefty.

[Pipirr]

Robert Fisk has inspired the latest usage of the term "Fisking".

From wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisking)

The term Fisking, or to Fisk, is blogosphere slang describing detailed point-by-point criticism that highlights errors, disputes the analysis of presented facts, or highlights other problems in a statement, article, or essay.[1]

Eric S. Raymond, in the Jargon File, defined the term as:

A point-by-point refutation of a blog entry or (especially) news story. A really stylish fisking is witty, logical, sarcastic and ruthlessly factual; flaming or handwaving is considered poor form. Named after Robert Fisk, a British journalist who was a frequent (and deserving) early target of such treatment.[2]

More broadly, the British newspaper The Observer defined fisking as "savaging an argument and scattering the tattered remnants to the four corners of the internet."[3] The technique also has its critics. Andrew Orlowski in The Register commented that "Many of today's debaters prefer 'Fisking'—line-by-line rebuttals where facts are dropped like radar chaff—to rational debate or building a coherent argument."[4]

[Foolmewunz]

Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11

Robert Fisk

The Independent

Published: 25 August 2007

<<snip>>






CJOK please don't copy entire articles. Post a link. You're infringing on copyrighted material. (And there's a whole nuther thread on that article....)


ETA: Oops. T.A.M. beat me to it.

[scooby]

That must have been another Fisk thing... That article is over a year old.

Sorry I thought it was current, didn't realise he had another thing last year. Was reading this and went looking for more comedy ...
Robert Fisk and the closet of media 9/11 self-censorship
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3183