Lisa Williams [split from] Department of Postive....

[Tim4848]

Lisa Williams derail split into a new thread

To whom it may concern,

This Internet stuff is too easy,

If you still don't believe their is out of body afterlife after checking out Lisa Williams video, then I don't know what to tell you.

http://videos.lifetimetv.com/?fr_chl=5ea60f5a057d54d184123e52a0ade3968f7435e8


Thank you,
Tim

[Normal Dude]

Pleeeease tell me you did not just link to a TV SHOW as evidence and"proof" of the afterlife? Do you believe everything you see on TV?

[Tim4848]

Thank you CLD, I will check it out.

I was watching one of Lisa Wiliams shows the other day, and I forget which one it was, but she asked somebody about pictures, and they said that they was going through some picture last week, and then Lisa said that this afterlife was watching them when they were going through these pictures. Now I don't ever recall Mrs. Williams ever asking an afterlife a question and getting an answer on anything, but if an afterlife can see somebody doing things with pictures, what is stopping them from pointing something out, that no one else can see but them, and then telling her about it.

This is the same type of experiment we are always talking about doing with out of body people. The one were they are suppose to float up by the ceiling and see something in a place were no one else can see.

Just a thought

[Tim4848]

We have the one guy in Salt Lake city who can memorize everything on a page in seconds, and then we have Lisa Williams, in the Murphy laws of things, this is prob ally normal, exposing a new possibility, that has not had it's chances to show as they are now, and that prob ally has a lot to do with the fact that we are getting so much different information, and we just have not had time to compare notes.

Thank you for listening to my thoughts

when you pull in all the lines to all the different mind maps that are out there on this topic, you will begin to see a pattern to all the different connections through out the topic.

My last job, I used to tell all the employees, if they had a good Idea, I would take it to the owners, and sell it the best I could, and if they liked it, I would tell them who's idea it really was, and if they did not like it, or they just didn't get it yet, I would tell them that it was mine until they did.

If my idea does not work, I take all the blame and I am totally sorry, but if it works, I give all the credit to nature and the out of body afterlife.

People have comfort zones for a reason and that in it self, shows a good working track record toward the possibility.

You evolve energy from one to another, your body never totally shuts down at any point through out your life.

Who decides when it is over, when we don't care enough to take on any obstacle toward this possibility. I know there is only so much I can really do when I get to the other side, so why not plan the best back up plan we can now, and just see what might come of it.

Whats is it going to hurt?

Twenty years ago if I told you that we would invent cell phones, you prob ally would of thought I was crazy?

Thank you for reading my thoughts

[Tim4848]

Dear future readers of this topic,

I could sit here and talk to you about how we could start this garden of an idea all my life, but I want to see it grow.

I want to see it play out and grow in so many different directions, that some people right now are not mentally ready to see it grow.

I believe at this point in my life, that Lisa Williams might be the Miracle Grow that my garden needs at this time.

If she is true, then her ratings will continue to go up increasing people's awareness, but if she is not true, it will hurt me in more ways than one, because I am going to start to take her at face value, so if anyone knows for a fact that she is a fake with evidence, please let me know.

My goal this month is to set up a meeting with her.

Thank you for listening to my thoughts,

Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

Here we go again:

We have the one guy in Salt Lake city who can memorize everything on a page in seconds, and then we have Lisa Williams, in the Murphy laws of things, this is prob ally normal, exposing a new possibility, that has not had it's chances to show as they are now, and that prob ally has a lot to do with the fact that we are getting so much different information, and we just have not had time to compare notes.

Name of this "one guy"? How does his ability help you? What communication have you had with Lisa Williams? Can you take the time to explain what that whole sentence means?


Thank you for listening to my thoughts

I'm not listening, but reading them.


when you pull in all the lines to all the different mind maps that are out there on this topic, you will begin to see a pattern to all the different connections through out the topic.

What are mind maps? What is this pattern that you claim exists?


My last job, I used to tell all the employees, if they had a good Idea, I would take it to the owners, and sell it the best I could, and if they liked it, I would tell them who's idea it really was, and if they did not like it, or they just didn't get it yet, I would tell them that it was mine until they did.

But didn't you say that you were a VP?


If my idea does not work, I take all the blame and I am totally sorry, but if it works, I give all the credit to nature and the out of body afterlife.
You just said that you would give the people the credit, but now you'll give nature and the out of body afterlife the credit?


People have comfort zones for a reason and that in it self, shows a good working track record toward the possibility.

Can you please explain this?


You evolve energy from one to another, your body never totally shuts down at any point through out your life.

If I am correct, you can change energy, but you can't evolve it. Once you are dead, everything shuts down. EKG/EGG will show no electrical energy.


Who decides when it is over, when we don't care enough to take on any obstacle toward this possibility. I know there is only so much I can really do when I get to the other side, so why not plan the best back up plan we can now, and just see what might come of it.

Ah, the backup plan. What is it that you "can really do" when you "get to the other side" that you can't do here living? Please provide proof that there is life after death.


Whats is it going to hurt?

Depends on what you mean by hurt.


Twenty years ago if I told you that we would invent cell phones, you prob ally would of thought I was crazy?

Per Wikipedia, cell phones entry they WERE used more than 30 years ago. "Using a modern, if somewhat heavy portable handset, Motorola manager Martin Cooper made the first call on a handheld mobile phone on April 3, 1973. The first commercial cellular network was launched in Japan by NTT in 1979. Fully automatic cellular networks were first introduced in the early to mid 1980s (the 1G generation) with the Nordic Mobile Telephone (NMT) system in 1981."


Thank you for reading my thoughts

Got it right for once.



I must be right, because it sure did get quiet in here fast.

Well if it only takes two days between the post that I'm quoting and your last one for you to think that you're right, I must be more right because it took you four days to respond. :)


I need a meeting with experts who can think outside the box

What topic would the "experts" be meeting you with? Which experts? Why do you need to think outside the box? What language do you speak? What software translator do you use? What was the reply from contacting the media about BrainGate? Why are you changing projects from dead-people-BrainGate to save-the-world-Care 2 (since that was the main Google hit I found)? You do know there is a difference between dead and out of body?

[Apathia]

A bunch of lily's on a grave stone.
(I'm forbidden to post them by new membership agreement.)

[Tim4848]

Is Lisa Williams not communicating with what you call dead?

[Little 10 Toes]

No. You have not shown what Lisa does. I made the comment Lisa looks at random number genarators and looks for paterns. That is what I understand. You have not offered any other explaination of what she does.

To answer your other question, assuming you have provided proof that OBE's are true (which you haven't), I would use the following definition that OBE people still have a living body, dead people don't.

Nice avoiding all of the other questions. You are really showing off your proof. Here's some of the questions that you didn't answer. What topic would the "experts" be meeting you with? Which experts? Why do you need to think outside the box? What language do you speak? What software translator do you use? What was the reply from contacting the media about BrainGate? Why are you changing projects from dead-people-BrainGate to save-the-world-Care 2 (since that was the main Google hit I found)? You do know there is a difference between dead and out of body?
(I'm still listing the last one because you used the "answer with a question" techique, and did not answer it.)

[Tim4848]

No. You have not shown what Lisa does. I made the comment Lisa looks at random number genarators and looks for paterns. That is what I understand. You have not offered any other explaination of what she does.

To answer your other question, assuming you have provided proof that OBE's are true (which you haven't), I would use the following definition that OBE people still have a living body, dead people don't.

Nice avoiding all of the other questions. You are really showing off your proof. Here's some of the questions that you didn't answer. What topic would the "experts" be meeting you with? Which experts? Why do you need to think outside the box? What language do you speak? What software translator do you use? What was the reply from contacting the media about BrainGate? Why are you changing projects from dead-people-BrainGate to save-the-world-Care 2 (since that was the main Google hit I found)? You do know there is a difference between dead and out of body?
(I'm still listing the last one because you used the "answer with a question" techique, and did not answer it.)

I believe if you look back on this topic, you will find that I answer a lot of questions from a lot of different people, and you will also find a lot of questions that I have asked, while I am still waiting for those answers.

This has to be a good deal for both of us.

Please fill free to answer this one with numbers.

How does Lisa Williams, give the exact name of the out of body afterlife person she is feeling with numbers?

Thank you,
Tim

[TjW]

Eleven, followed by a seventeen. Then she adds in about two thousand and multiplies by the square root of pi. The number as a whole is expressed in base 26 and each digit has 10 added to it, and each digit is then individually expressed in base 36. Hope this helps. I've been practicing thinking outside the box.

[Tim4848]

Eleven, followed by a seventeen. Then she adds in about two thousand and multiplies by the square root of pi. The number as a whole is expressed in base 26 and each digit has 10 added to it, and each digit is then individually expressed in base 36. Hope this helps. I've been practicing thinking outside the box.

Good job on thinking out side the box TjW, but that answer looks more complicated than my topic.

Next.....

[Little 10 Toes]

Tim4848, watch the first part of the first video. She's cold reading. She talks to the large man trying to bring up the whole, "you're big, he's little". Did you catch that he did NOT answer about the "you two were young". The young guy was the big guy's cousin. That's what tipped me off. You still haven't answered what language you speak. Are you afraid of something?

[Tim4848]

I will be the first one to say, that a lot of things she does, could be questioned, just like everything I post could be questioned, but you are still ignoring the name part. How does she get the names right?

[Normal Dude]

I will be the first one to say, that a lot of things she does, could be questioned, just like everything I post could be questioned, but you are still ignoring the name part. How does she get the names right?

Watch any video or read any book on how cold reading works and you will have your answer.

[Tim4848]

Watch any video or read any book on how cold reading works and you will have your answer.

Why don't you just tell me?

How does she get the names right?

[Little 10 Toes]

Watch the first video. Why does she name the brother of the 2nd dead man, but yet can't get the dead guys name? What are you trying to hide?

[Tim4848]

What topic?:boggled:

My question was a simple one, how does she get their names right?

It's not in the best interest of some, for this idea to become a reality.

The topic is based on being positive, it is in the name of the topic.

Please fill free to explain to me what the problem is?

[TjW]

Tim, whom it may concern.

What makes you think she gets the names right?
What idea is that? Specifically, whose interests would be threatened? Name names.
I'm absolutely positive! Yes, I am! See those exclamation points?
You're thinking too much "inside the box". You're putting too many constraints on your thought processes. For example, you are inside the box of "she gets the names right". Free yourself from that thinking, and the answers become obvious.

[Tim4848]

Tim, whom it may concern.

What makes you think she gets the names right?
What idea is that? Specifically, whose interests would be threatened? Name names.
I'm absolutely positive! Yes, I am! See those exclamation points?
You're thinking too much "inside the box". You're putting too many constraints on your thought processes. For example, you are inside the box of "she gets the names right". Free yourself from that thinking, and the answers become obvious.

O.J., Senator Kennedy, politicians that spend to much time in public bathrooms, quarterbacks that don't take care of animals. that is just a few off the top of my head.

I think it should be stated for the record at this time, that Lisa Williams does support my claim that spirits, are nothing more that out of body afterlife people.

Please fill to argue with this claim, and please fill free to state why, since we can check that out with her at a later time.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Please fill free to explain what you are trying to do better?

Thank you,
Tim

[Slimething]

I think Lisa Williams definitely proves reincarnation. Judging from her hair, she was once a skunk. :eek:

[Little 10 Toes]

My question was a simple one, how does she get their names right?

It's not in the best interest of some, for this idea to become a reality.

The topic is based on being positive, it is in the name of the topic.

Please fill free to explain to me what the problem is?
Why haven't you explained that she did NOT get the name of the dead man right, but got the living brother's name?

One of the problems that you have not solved is showing that you understand the English language. I have asked you several times to state which language you speak. The term "out of body" refers that you can get back into your body, just like the phrase, "I think you're out of your mind".

[Tim4848]

Why haven't you explained that she did NOT get the name of the dead man right, but got the living brother's name?

One of the problems that you have not solved is showing that you understand the English language. I have asked you several times to state which language you speak. The term "out of body" refers that you can get back into your body, just like the phrase, "I think you're out of your mind".

This has to be a good deal for both of us, please fill free to answer my question first.

[Little 10 Toes]

Ok, I'm trying to help you. Now answer my questions.

[Tim4848]

Ok, I'm trying to help you. Now answer my questions.

Trust me, you have already helped me by not answering my question.

A 911 operator is responsible for taking calls, science is responsible for listening to my claim.

What experience or accountability do you have in science about this topic?

Do you know the names of any scientist that are in a position of experience or accountability about this topic?

Thank you for reading my thoughts on this topic,
Tim

[Slimething]

[A 911 operator is responsible for taking calls, science is responsible for listening to my claim.

That's far enough. Science has no responsibility to do anything for you. Many much worthier ideas are put off because of lack of funding, interest or both. Science is a mechanism for discovering truths about the universe. It is your responsibility to sell your idea to someone with the scientific wherewithal to have it investigated. That is done with evidence toward a novel and significant phenomenon. You have evidence other than a TV show?


What experience or accountability do you have in science about this topic?


Most of us have seen this prattle time and time again. All the preceding claims that have been investigated have turned out to be flat nothing. Therefore, we believe your TV clip to show nothing of importance.

Do you know the names of any scientist that are in a position of experience or accountability about this topic?

There are quite a few, unfortunately. Perhaps you are asking if there are any reputable scientists who would be convinced to spend their time and money on your hypothesis supported by a TV clip? No.

[Hokulele]

In addition, a 911 operator is responsible for taking calls, but if you make a bunch of bogus calls to 911, well, let's just say that there are consequences.

[Tim4848]

That's far enough. Science has no responsibility to do anything for you. Many much worthier ideas are put off because of lack of funding, interest or both. Science is a mechanism for discovering truths about the universe. It is your responsibility to sell your idea to someone with the scientific wherewithal to have it investigated. That is done with evidence toward a novel and significant phenomenon. You have evidence other than a TV show?



Most of us have seen this prattle time and time again. All the preceding claims that have been investigated have turned out to be flat nothing. Therefore, we believe your TV clip to show nothing of importance.


There are quite a few, unfortunately. Perhaps you are asking if there are any reputable scientists who would be convinced to spend their time and money on your hypothesis supported by a TV clip? No.

Please fill free to tell any scientist, who would except any evidence?

There is more needs for this possibility than there are stars in the milky way solar system.

The answer is not in the solar system, it is in our own back yards everyday, you just have to focus on it correctly.



Thank you,
Tim

[Slimething]

Please fill free to tell any scientist, who would except any evidence?

I would gladly help anyone develop any scientific hypothesis that I felt was well-grounded and defensible. Yours is not.

Thank you,
Tim

You're welcome,
Slimething

[Miss Anthrope]

Please fill free to tell any scientist, who would except any evidence?



I'm trying really hard to understand you answer.

Did you mean "Feel free to tell any scientist, who would accept (consider, welcome) any evidence"

Or did you mean "Feel free to tell any any scientist, who would except (make an exception) any evidence"?

Either way, your response does not really answer the question, nor shed any light into the credibility of Lisa Williams and what the TV thing meant.

[Tim4848]

I'm trying really hard to understand you answer.

Did you mean "Feel free to tell any scientist, who would accept (consider, welcome) any evidence"

Or did you mean "Feel free to tell any any scientist, who would except (make an exception) any evidence"?

Either way, your response does not really answer the question, nor shed any light into the credibility of Lisa Williams and what the TV thing meant.

Dear Miss Anthrope,

If I was making a claim that I knew how to communicate with future out of body people in a way that can be measured, who do I see in science?

Is there a form I fill out, what do I need to do?

On a side bar:

Have you seen my picture on "My Space" Yet?

I think I have that Thomas Edison look going, what do you think?

Would you like to see it?

Just look up my old topic on the Internet and you will find it.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim:duck:

[Miss Anthrope]

Dear Miss Anthrope,

If I was making a claim that I knew how to communicate with future out of body people in a way that can be measured, who do I see in science?

Is there a form I fill out, what do I need to do?

On a side bar:

Have you seen my picture on "My Space" Yet?

I think I have that Thomas Edison look going, what do you think?

Would you like to see it?

Just look up my old topic on the Internet and you will find it.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim:duck:

Tim, I asked about Lisa Williams. Stay on topic, please.

[Tim4848]

Tim, I asked about Lisa Williams. Stay on topic, please.

Dear Miss Anthrope, I am on topic, you are the one that is assuming wrong.
What is it about me that you do not like?

What can I do to make you happy?

My topic changes like the weather, and you get your chances to say what you like about it, what else do you need?

Lisa Williams is just a string to a bigger topic at this point and nothing more.
She is an icon fact, until you can prove that she is not, just like the real Rain Man. He has a gift until you can prove that he is wrong. History might be good at showing different people score cards while they were on this Earth, but it sure don't do much for the here and now.

I say until somebody can give a good answer to how she can call names correctly about some afterlife people, that this has to be considered as a fact toward out of body afterlife people as a whole.

What do you think?

[Ysidro]

Tim, I asked about Lisa Williams. Stay on topic, please.

But I think he likes you! :)

[Tim4848]

But I think he likes you! :)

I will be glad to ask Lisa Williams any good questions you have, when I speak with her at some point in the future, as long as it does not cost me too much money.

I like anybody with an open mind to this topic.

I would rather you argue with me, if you really feel that way, than not say something.

You know there will come a day where you will not have this opportunity, so you should try and enjoy it, while you can.

History in the making, one post at a time.

[CLD]

History in the making, one post at a time.

This is clearly a troll thread. It has become tedious.

[Tim4848]

This is clearly a troll thread. It has become tedious.

Working toward perfection is always tedious

[Lynx2174]

Lisa Williams is just a string to a bigger topic at this point and nothing more.
She is an icon fact, until you can prove that she is not, just like the real Rain Man. He has a gift until you can prove that he is wrong. History might be good at showing different people score cards while they were on this Earth, but it sure don't do much for the here and now.

I say until somebody can give a good answer to how she can call names correctly about some afterlife people, that this has to be considered as a fact toward out of body afterlife people as a whole.

What do you think?

I think that's a real load.

How does that follow? It's precisely the opposite of how things go. There is no significant amount of quality recorded evidence of communication with the afterlife. In addition, there is a history spanning thousands of years of fraudulent claims of communication with the afterlife. Until there's good evidence otherwise, she's some random cold-reader who's gotten herself on television.

Even in the highly unlikely event that her knowledge of names comes from a supernatural source, what makes you assume it comes from an afterlife? Couldn't it be the work of some entity completely removed from the realm of human existence having a bit of fun?

Or couldn't it well be that she's faking it to make for entertaining television?

[Little 10 Toes]

I say until somebody can give a good answer to how she can call names correctly about some afterlife people, that this has to be considered as a fact toward out of body afterlife people as a whole.

What do you think?
I think that you did not see the video. The name of the 2nd dead man was NOT David. Watch it again.

[Tim4848]

I think that's a real load.

How does that follow? It's precisely the opposite of how things go. There is no significant amount of quality recorded evidence of communication with the afterlife. In addition, there is a history spanning thousands of years of fraudulent claims of communication with the afterlife. Until there's good evidence otherwise, she's some random cold-reader who's gotten herself on television.

Even in the highly unlikely event that her knowledge of names comes from a supernatural source, what makes you assume it comes from an afterlife? Couldn't it be the work of some entity completely removed from the realm of human existence having a bit of fun?

Or couldn't it well be that she's faking it to make for entertaining television?

My goal is not to assume to far out into right field on this topic at this time.
If she is just guessing these names, she is very good at that, but to think it is a different type of entity, that is trying to make Lisa Williams look good is a stretch to say the least.

Please fill free to show that she is faking it, if you can.

[Tim4848]

I think that you did not see the video. The name of the 2nd dead man was NOT David. Watch it again.

Dear Little 10 Toes,

My volume is not working on my computer at this time, so I will have to take your word on that, but what does that mean? Do you fill she is very bad at picking the names correctly with out any type of machine to do it with?

[Little 10 Toes]

Watch the clip again, she does not use a machine to pick out the name. Now that I have brought up an alternative about Lisa being true, what other proof do you have that she is for real? Please do not use any television programs as "proof".

And as for faking it, I have pointed out at least 3 times (including this post) she did not get the name of the dead man. Why can't she get the dead man's name?

I think that were not a VP of Finance for any company because how could a VP write this, "My goal is not to assume to far out into right field on this topic at this time."

[Little 10 Toes]

How's that meeting coming along? Still haven't seen any news outlets with BrainGate. Let me guess, you'll come up with some excuse.

[Tim4848]

Watch the clip again, she does not use a machine to pick out the name. Now that I have brought up an alternative about Lisa being true, what other proof do you have that she is for real? Please do not use any television programs as "proof".

And as for faking it, I have pointed out at least 3 times (including this post) she did not get the name of the dead man. Why can't she get the dead man's name?

I think that were not a VP of Finance for any company because how could a VP write this, "My goal is not to assume to far out into right field on this topic at this time."

I would look at your information different, I think she is able to do it a lot better than we could. She prob ally does it better than BrainGate does with it's patients.

She also shows that they are out there, and all we have to do is give them the right tools to communicate too us.
To do this we need patients, and the best ones are being trained on BrainGate right now.

Everything in life happens for a reason, this is one of them.

[Little 10 Toes]

I would look at your information different, I think she is able to do it a lot better than we could. She prob ally does it better than BrainGate does with it's patients. What is your point of view about YOUR information. YOU presented it to us. What is "it"? If you think it's cold-reading, then I think she doesn't need any help at all. What about my statement about the wrong name?


She also shows that they are out there, and all we have to do is give them the right tools to communicate too us.
To do this we need patients, and the best ones are being trained on BrainGate right now. Who are "they"? If you think frauds, then you are correct. We don't need patients, we need proof.

Everything in life happens for a reason, this is one of them.What is that reason?

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

Something to think about:

"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it."
- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

"When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong."
- Buckminster Fuller (1895-1983)

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

"Criticism is prejudice made plausible."
- Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

- "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

"You got to be careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there."
- Yogi Berra

"The concept is interesting and well-formed, but in order to earn better than a 'C', the idea must be feasible."
- A Yale University management professor in response to student Fred Smith's paper proposing reliable overnight delivery service (Smith went on to found Federal Express Corp.)

"Everything that can be invented has been invented."
- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899

"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt."
- Mark Twain (1835-1910)

"The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense."
- Tom Clancy

"The truth is more important than the facts."
- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)

"An inconvenience is only an adventure wrongly considered; an adventure is an inconvenience rightly considered."
- Gilbert Keith Chesterton (1874-1936)

"Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goal."
- Henry Ford (1863-1947)

"We all agree that your theory is crazy, but is it crazy enough?"
- Niels Bohr (1885-1962)

Thank you,
Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

"Yabba dabba doo." -- Fred Flintstone (Stone age)

"What's up Doc?" -- Bugs Bunny (1940-present)

"[Rule 8]" -- Jay
"..." --- Silent Bob

See, I can do it too.

[GhostofMaxwell.]

Tim seems to overlook that those people had original ideas! not an idea that a billion other self-delusional also had and failed to demonstrate under scrutiny.

[Cuddles]

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

And the companion to this is of course:

All nonsense passes through one stage. First, it is ridiculed. - Cuddles (1901-1983)


Think about it.

[Slimething]

"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it."
- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

This quote is not your friend. I would advise you against using this one in future. :cool:

And, don't forget this chestnut:


When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others to laugh at him. -- Thomas Szasz (b. 1920), U.S. psychiatrist. “Social Relations,” The Second Sin (1973)

[Miss Anthrope]

Tim, besides this very shallow appeal to authority being a big, glaring fallacy, what does it offer AT ALL?

[Tim4848]

This quote is not your friend. I would advise you against using this one in future. :cool:

And, don't forget this chestnut:

Why?

[Miss Anthrope]

:hb:

[Tim4848]

A 24/7 out of body afterlife back up plan.

[Tim4848]

And the companion to this is of course:

All nonsense passes through one stage. First, it is ridiculed. - Cuddles (1901-1983)


Think about it.

Why?

[Tim4848]

Tim seems to overlook that those people had original ideas! not an idea that a billion other self-delusional also had and failed to demonstrate under scrutiny.

My idea is original and it is very sound!

I would also like to thank the billion self-delusional people out there. It is funny how we all seam to come up with the same conclusion, but we have never met, or talked about this topic before.

Why would I want to demonstrate under scrutiny, that sounds painful.

[Tim4848]

"Yabba dabba doo." -- Fred Flintstone (Stone age)

"What's up Doc?" -- Bugs Bunny (1940-present)

"[Rule 8]" -- Jay
"..." --- Silent Bob

See, I can do it too.

Some people just don't want to learn how to fish, I guess we will just have to keep feeding them anchovies for now.

[Miss Anthrope]

Tim, this thread is about Lisa Williams. You are now talking about matters which should be discussed in your other applicable thread.

[Little 10 Toes]

Why?
Because both fit your arguement.

[Little 10 Toes]

A 24/7 out of body afterlife back up plan.
Again, please provide proof of the following:

Out-of-body experiances (OBE)
Communication with OBE's
The afterlife
Communitcation with dead people
BrainGate working on dead peopleSo far, you are 0-5,

[Little 10 Toes]

My idea is original and it is very sound! Original, no. Have you heard of spirit mediums? Sound, no. You still haven't proven anything.

I would also like to thank the billion self-delusional people out there. It is funny how we all seam to come up with the same conclusion, but we have never met, or talked about this topic before. Ah, have you identified yourself now. Read your sentence carfully, and go talk to those billion people. This site (http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html) estimates the world's population. You then must think that appx 1 in six people believe the same junk you do. Go join their sites.


Why would I want to demonstrate under scrutiny, that sounds painful. More proof that you probably weren't a VP, and that you still don't understand the English language.

[Little 10 Toes]

Some people just don't want to learn how to fish, I guess we will just have to keep feeding them anchovies for now.
No I can fish, buy fish, heck I can even pay for someone to fish for me; it just seems you are fishing for Nessie.


Sorry folks, I'll multi-quote next time.

[TjW]

Why?

Because.

[Cuddles]

Why?

Why not?

[Tim4848]

Original, no. Have you heard of spirit mediums? Sound, no. You still haven't proven anything.

Ah, have you identified yourself now. Read your sentence carfully, and go talk to those billion people. This site (http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html) estimates the world's population. You then must think that appx 1 in six people believe the same junk you do. Go join their sites.

More proof that you probably weren't a VP, and that you still don't understand the English language.

Why don't you take a little time in your own back yard and work on your spelling and grammar as well.

[Apathia]

What would Lisa Williams say?
Looks like who we need now is Lisa Simpson.

[Slimething]

What would Lisa Williams say?

You have a friend hamed David who needs to speak with you. I'm so sorry about your great-grandparents, they were such lovely people! Yes, you will fall in love again. Try to avoid people with colds. ;)

[Darat]

I've split some of the most recent derail to AAH, make sure you keep on-topic.

[Little 10 Toes]

Now that's not nice Tim4848. You can read my reply in the split.

What proof do you have that Lisa is the real deal? What machine does she use since I did not see her use any machine when she was cold reading?

[Tim4848]

Now that's not nice Tim4848. You can read my reply in the split.

What proof do you have that Lisa is the real deal? What machine does she use since I did not see her use any machine when she was cold reading?

So where did this split go?

[Tim4848]

Thank you for following this topic and reading my thoughts,

I ask anybody if they could explain to me how Lisa Williams picks the correct names of out of body afterlife people.

I will check on this topic for that answer, but if you want to talk about something else, please continue to send me private messages, or visit me at The Department of Negative Out Of Body Possibility.

Thank you,
Tim

[Slimething]

I ask anybody if they could explain to me how Lisa Williams picks the correct names of out of body afterlife people.


How many times are you going to ask, only to get the same answer: cold reading. Got it? It gets no simpler than that!

[Tim4848]

How many times are you going to ask, only to get the same answer: cold reading. Got it? It gets no simpler than that!

How do you cold read a name out of somebody, like George, bob, Fred, etc?

[Darat]

How do you cold read a name out of somebody, like George, bob, Fred, etc?

If you look at the technique used by most "psychic" who claim to be able to communicate with the dead you will find that they use many, many names in a reading.

This article provides a good overview of the many techniques covered by the term "cold reading": http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Cold_Reading

[Little 10 Toes]

Thank you for following this topic and reading my thoughts,

I ask anybody if they could explain to me how Lisa Williams picks the correct names of out of body afterlife people.

I will check on this topic for that answer, but if you want to talk about something else, please continue to send me private messages, or visit me at The Department of Negative Out Of Body Possibility.

Thank you,
Tim
Again Tim, she did NOT get the correct name of "out of body afterlife people". Have you not read my statements? She got the name "David" for a brother of the dead man. That does not sound that she got the dead man's name right.

Please read Darat's posts for more info.

[Tim4848]

Again Tim, she did NOT get the correct name of "out of body afterlife people". Have you not read my statements? She got the name "David" for a brother of the dead man. That does not sound that she got the dead man's name right.

Please read Darat's posts for more info.

So for every ten she gets right, she is off base on one, I would think that is pretty good.

Never under estimate the impossible!!!

[Tim4848]

If you look at the technique used by most "psychic" who claim to be able to communicate with the dead you will find that they use many, many names in a reading.

This article provides a good overview of the many techniques covered by the term "cold reading": http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Cold_Reading

The article you provided is interesting, but not even close to what she is able to do.

They talk about an initial of a name here and there, but not speaking the names correctly.

She is also a medium, not a "psychic", I think there is a difference.

[Little 10 Toes]

So for every ten she gets right, she is off base on one, I would think that is pretty good.

Never under estimate the impossible!!!

I assume that your volume on your computer is fixed then since you have come back. If she communicates with the dead, why did she NOT give the name of the first dead person in the first video? Why did she even go to the "big man, little man" comparison? Why did she "hit" on the name of the 2nd dead person's brother, but not the actual dead person?

The article you provided is interesting, but not even close to what she is able to do.

They talk about an initial of a name here and there, but not speaking the names correctly.

She is also a medium, not a "psychic", I think there is a difference.
Please see my above statements.

What do you consider the difference is?

Why haven't you proven there is an afterlife? Have you posted your last two messages verbatim anywhere else? I ask because I did look and saw that several of your postings were posted on other sites.

[Cuddles]

So for every ten she gets right, she is off base on one, I would think that is pretty good.

Which ten did she get right?

[Tim4848]

I assume that your volume on your computer is fixed then since you have come back. If she communicates with the dead, why did she NOT give the name of the first dead person in the first video? Why did she even go to the "big man, little man" comparison? Why did she "hit" on the name of the 2nd dead person's brother, but not the actual dead person?

Maybe it depends where the out of body afterlife are standing or thinking at the time. I would think when she is in the present of one or more out of body afterlife, that it is harder to do, even for her gift.


Please see my above statements.

What do you consider the difference is?

Why haven't you proven there is an afterlife? Have you posted your last two messages verbatim anywhere else? I ask because I did look and saw that several of your postings were posted on other sites.

I think of the Internet as though it is a big room, and you are free to move around and talk to different people, because, you get different perspectives. It helps with keeping balance, then it also depends on who is talking about what with the topic, some sections of the topic gets boring, because I have to waste so much time on details that I really don't need to do, any well trained scientist or engineer could do, it we could finds some willing to get their hands dirty, it only takes one as me to play the fool. but with just one person of this type of status agreeing with me, makes me an expert.

If you feel you could be that type of person, please feel free to join in, please feel free not to give your correct name, if you are embarrassed about agree with somebody like me, because we only need a few in numbers, to show this idea is possible, if we had patients, who have access to this type of technology.

I have forgot more about this topic than some will ever know, and it wasn't anything I was doing at the time.




Thank you,
Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

Tim, I notice that you have not answered any of my questions, again. How many other websites have you posted the above message. Go take your spam somewhere else.

because I have to waste so much time on details that I really don't need to doLittle details like proving afterlife, NDE, and OBE.


... it only takes one as me to play the fool I totally agree with you here.

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts, ex specially today since I am going to try and explain why this topic is so important by using a lot of words from an old Beatles song, "We Can Work It Out".

Try and see it my way,
do I have to keep on talking till I can't go on,
while we see it your way,
we run the risk of not ever knowing if I am right or wrong.

We can work this out,
think of what you are saying, you can get it wrong, and still you think it's all right.

Think of what I'm saying, we can work it out over time and get it right.

Life is very short and there is no time for fussing and fighting my friend,

I have always thought that it's a crime, not to try and focus on finding out for some point in history anyway.

So I will ask you once again.

Try and see it my way, only time will tell if I am wrong or right.

Try and see's if your way, and the whole thought falls apart with no proof on your end.

This topic is an open topic, one that could be talked about anywhere, because it is as natural as anything else we do in our life, because it has always been a part of us, and it will always continue as well, so why not change course just a bit, and always have our minds working toward such a possibility, in a world where we say expect the worst and the worst will never come.

Just remember this topic has to be a good deal for all parties involved, and what type of out come do you see we will have, and explain to me why my possibility could not be true, when science claims them selfs, that energy can not be destroyed. That is better than saying that the earth could be hit by a meteor, but we won't be destroyed.

No body can be tougher on your self than you, they could do all type of things to you, that might hurt because you are mortal, but not your inner thoughts, it never hurts, except by the way you might think about things, because we spend too much time trying to build a comfort zone for our mortal body, and that is fine, but we still need to work on this type of back up plan.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Tim, I notice that you have not answered any of my questions, again. How many other websites have you posted the above message. Go take your spam somewhere else.

Please feel free to explain why you feel my topic is spam?

Little details like proving afterlife, NDE, and OBE.

My idea works with gravity and all it touches.


I totally agree with you here.

and that is why we have not been able to get the type of support a goal like this will need, because of that type of attitude.

Making this work is the easy part, but having the wrong mind set is nothing more than a waste of time.

[Little 10 Toes]

and that is why we have not been able to get the type of support a goal like this will need, because of that type of attitude.

Making this work is the easy part, but having the wrong mind set is nothing more than a waste of time.
My type of attidude? Sometimes I have sounded harsh, but it is because you have not provided any proof of ODE, NDE, and the afterlife.

I feel that your topic is spam because you have posted this same topic in several different boards. In fact, I found the exact same post on those different boards. I also consider it spam because you have not answered any questions in the last two postings.

How does your idea work with gravity?

Who is "we" when you mention that, "we have not been able to get the type of support a goal like this will need"?

Why haven't you shown up on tv like you said you would? Has Lisa Williams responded to you?

Edit: I notice that you used Beatles lyrics. That song was about two people who love each other but they're fighting. Why not just use some rap lyrics instead?

[Little 10 Toes]

Correction to the above post: I have found other posts on other topics here to be on other boards made by you.

[Tim4848]

Correction to the above post: I have found other posts on other topics here to be on other boards made by you.

I know I was explained of my wrong doing back then.

[Little 10 Toes]

What you were doing previously was copying posts from one board and pasteing them here. What I was talking about was posting the same message on multiple boards.

Getting back to the subject at hand, why haven't you contacted the media? When will you meet with Lisa Williams? What is the status of your meetings with experts? How does your idea work with gravity? Who is "we" when you mention that, "we have not been able to get the type of support a goal like this will need"? Why are you avoiding answering my questions in post #81?

[Tim4848]

I assume that your volume on your computer is fixed then since you have come back.

No, it is still not fixed, sometimes I will see one of her old shows on TV.

If she communicates with the dead, why did she NOT give the name of the first dead person in the first video?

It is one thing to have evidence, it is enother to have perfection, The rain man can't do a lot of things either, but you learn to apprieciate what you have. I think she is a lot better than me, I can't remember names right after they tell me. Don't you see how the dots are playing out? I come along and connect brainGate to the possibility, you ask for proof, I give my self as evidence, you want more, I give you Lisa Williams, you want more, even though you have no evidence that she is not doing it, except to pick some examples, of how well she is doing it. She has been on Oprah, and other places as well, and as far as I know, she is telling the truth.

It almost sound like out of body afterlife, like to stay close to family, what do you think?

Why did she even go to the "big man, little man" comparison? Why did she "hit" on the name of the 2nd dead person's brother, but not the actual dead person?

It don't sound like every out of body afterlife is hanging around the same people, but that would be a good test to try with Lisa Williams. Have her in one place, with one person who might be the daughter of one out of body afterlife mother, then lease her, to go visit her sister, and see who is hanging around her. Can an out of body afterlife be in two different places at the same time.

- I would also like to know if she can understand curtain out of body afterlife better than others.

-Can she actually communicate to them, by asking them questions and getting an answer right then.

- Place some Ghost experts in the room with her, and see if they are picking up these out of body afterlife

If she could help with my idea that would be great, but until you prove her really wrong, she is evidence, at least enough to keep my topic moving a long. Example: I say an out of body experience is like this, and then here comes Lisa Williams, who don't know me from Atom, and said's exactly the same type of behavior you would expect from out of body afterlife, being the fact that I also believed it affected animals as well, and she has shown that as well, now that does raise questions, on how an out of body afterlife dog, an stay connected to their past owners. The dog is not working off of smell.

Please see my above statements.

What do you consider the difference is?

Why haven't you proven there is an afterlife? Have you posted your last two messages verbatim anywhere else? I ask because I did look and saw that several of your postings were posted on other sites.

I will be glad to answer all your questions as soon as they turn my topic back into the original name, people do not have time to try and track this topic down.

[dudalb]

I see the Tim4848 has yet to offer anything remotely resembling actual evidence that he can communicate with people in the afterlife.
Instead he is running the good old "I have a source of Knowledge that is beyond science" crapola again.
He is either a total woo woo or a troll.
End of case.
(In his best Irish Cop voice) Move along,now. Show's Over. Nothing left to See....

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

I have no problem directing other people to this site about my topic, if I had my topic here, and was able to use it again, because it would be hard to send special guest to this site in the future.

I like everybody here and I have no problem with that, but that is not my choice to make, now is it?

If you really want to know what is going on with me, then this needs to be a good deal for the both of us.

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Is it just me, or would you like to see something come of this topic?

Right now you can go to Dr. Phil website, and he is taking request for anybody who knows somebody who is obsessed with something.

Please feel free and tell him that he needs to analyze me.

Think about it, if I am the one who is wrong, he should be able to figure that out.

What do you think?

Tim

[schlitt]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Is it just me, or would you like to see something come of this topic?

Right now you can go to Dr. Phil website, and he is taking request for anybody who knows somebody who is obsessed with something.

Please feel free and tell him that he needs to analyze me.

Think about it, if I am the one who is wrong, he should be able to figure that out.

What do you think?

Tim

Funniest post ever.
cheers Tim, you just made my night :)

[Jesus Baby Daddy]

Wow, what a thread!
I was jealous of all the posts with quotes above. At first I couldn't think of one to contribute. Alas, I found one to sum up.

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
- James Downey (from Billy Madison)

[Tim4848]

Wow, what a thread!
I was jealous of all the posts with quotes above. At first I couldn't think of one to contribute. Alas, I found one to sum up.

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
- James Downey (from Billy Madison)

Please fill free to explain what is wrong with that idea, are you afraid he will agree with me?

[Tim4848]

Funniest post ever.
cheers Tim, you just made my night :)

Opportunities come everyday, that can change everything, and we have nothing to fear but fear it self.

As quick as you replied me, you could be sending Dr. Phil, the spill and see what he thinks, maybe I could lay on his couch, while pink Lisa Williams float above me, or he could see how a lot of people, need to accept this possibility, because it is a lot closer to happening everyday, in one country or another, and that is just how things get done.

[Little 10 Toes]

Tim4848, PLEASE learn how to quote properly. My responces to your misquoted message will be shown like this: [[responce]]


Quote by Little 10 Toes http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2984609#post2984609)
I assume that your volume on your computer is fixed then since you have come back.

Tim4848:
No, it is still not fixed, sometimes I will see one of her old shows on TV.

Quote by Little 10 Toes :
If she communicates with the dead, why did she NOT give the name of the first dead person in the first video?

Tim4848:
It is one thing to have evidence, it is enother to have perfection, The rain man can't do a lot of things either, but you learn to apprieciate what you have. I think she is a lot better than me, I can't remember names right after they tell me. Don't you see how the dots are playing out? [[not relevant to my question]]

I come along and connect brainGate to the possibility, you ask for proof, I give my self as evidence, you want more, I give you Lisa Williams, you want more, even though you have no evidence that she is not doing it, except to pick some examples, of how well she is doing it.

[[the evidence of yourself is anecdotal. I cannot, nor can any other independent person, test you and your experiance. Because it cannot be tested, it does not count. Lisa Williams has not been tested. I counter your examples with details about her "reading". I have asked for other proof than Lisa, but you continue to use her. You have not provided evidence that she is doing it, and by it I assume you talk about communitcating with the dead.]]

She has been on Oprah, and other places as well, and as far as I know, she is telling the truth. [[An author that has written lies has been on Oprah. As far as most people knew at that time, the author was telling the truth. We now know that information is wrong.]]

It almost sound like out of body afterlife, like to stay close to family, what do you think? [[please use english and clarify what you mean]]

Quote by Little 10 Toes
Why did she even go to the "big man, little man" comparison? Why did she "hit" on the name of the 2nd dead person's brother, but not the actual dead person?

Tim4848:
It don't sound like every out of body afterlife is hanging around the same people, but that would be a good test to try with Lisa Williams. [[But she picked the people that she gave readings on. She did not go up to someone and say, "Sorry, I cannot give you a reading, there aren't any dead people around you."]]

Have her in one place, with one person who might be the daughter of one out of body afterlife mother, then lease her, to go visit her sister, and see who is hanging around her. Can an out of body afterlife be in two different places at the same time. [[We'll be glad to answer that question once you prove there is an afterlife]]

- I would also like to know if she can understand curtain out of body afterlife better than others.

-Can she actually communicate to them, by asking them questions and getting an answer right then. [[In your video example, she spoke to the live person, not the dead. That destroys your test.]]

- Place some Ghost experts in the room with her, and see if they are picking up these out of body afterlife [[But you will have to prove there are such things as ghosts first]]

If she could help with my idea that would be great, but until you prove her really wrong, she is evidence, at least enough to keep my topic moving a long. [[And I say that she is not evidence. Do you have any other "evidence"?]]

Example: I say an out of body experience is like this, and then here comes Lisa Williams, who don't know me from Atom, and said's exactly the same type of behavior you would expect from out of body afterlife, being the fact that I also believed it affected animals as well, and she has shown that as well, now that does raise questions, on how an out of body afterlife dog, an stay connected to their past owners. The dog is not working off of smell. [[First, you need to prove out of body experiances. Second, what is like "this"? Atom, meat Eve. Focus only on the human aspect before you start talking about animal afterlives.]]

Quote by Little 10 Toes
Please see my above statements.

What do you consider the difference is?

Why haven't you proven there is an afterlife? Have you posted your last two messages verbatim anywhere else? I ask because I did look and saw that several of your postings were posted on other sites.


Tim4848:
I will be glad to answer all your questions as soon as they turn my topic back into the original name, people do not have time to try and track this topic down. I will be glad to answer all your questions as soon as they turn my topic back into the original name, people do not have time to try and track this topic down.[[The mods will NOT turn the topic back to the original name. Had you taken the time to read the first message of this thread (as well as the title) you would have found that this is a split from your orignial thread. How did you resurrect this thread? You either did a Google search, looked through each of the topic listings, or you did a forum search for "Department" in the thread's name. So, now answer my questions.]]


Thank you for reading my thoughts,

I have no problem directing other people to this site about my topic, if I had my topic here, and was able to use it again, because it would be hard to send special guest to this site in the future.But you have this same topic in several different boards, as well as your own website. Why don't you send special guest there? You still have your topic here.

I like everybody here and I have no problem with that, but that is not my choice to make, now is it?You do have a choice to like us or not. I have no feeling about you other than thinking feeling sorry for you. You have several people here pointing out errors in your train of though, but you won't listen.


If you really want to know what is going on with me, then this needs to be a good deal for the both of us.What do you mean by "this needs to be a good deal for both of us"?

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Is it just me, or would you like to see something come of this topic?I would LOVE for something to come of this topic, but so far you haven't provided anything useful.

Right now you can go to Dr. Phil website, and he is taking request for anybody who knows somebody who is obsessed with something.

Please feel free and tell him that he needs to analyze me.

Think about it, if I am the one who is wrong, he should be able to figure that out.

What do you think?

TimI think that you would still ignore him.

Please fill free to explain what is wrong with that idea, are you afraid he will agree with me?Why don't you ask him first. I think your ideas are wrong.

Opportunities come everyday, that can change everything, and we have nothing to fear but fear it self.

As quick as you replied me, you could be sending Dr. Phil, the spill and see what he thinks, maybe I could lay on his couch, while pink Lisa Williams float above me, or he could see how a lot of people, need to accept this possibility, because it is a lot closer to happening everyday, in one country or another, and that is just how things get done.Why do we need to accept this possiblity? So far, you have not shown your possibility to be practical.

Here are some basic questions again: Why haven't you contacted the media? When will you meet with Lisa Williams? What is the status of your meetings with experts? How does your idea work with gravity? Who is "we" when you mention that, "we have not been able to get the type of support a goal like this will need"? Why are you avoiding answering my questions in post #81?

[Tim4848]

To dear Little 10 Toes, and anybody else who might be interested.

I am finally getting a complete day off Sunday, from any other requirements, so my goal that day is to answer as many questions as I can.

Just remember though, that this site does not allow me to use links, so if one of your questions need a link to answer it, you will have to go to a different place to get that answer, unless you know something I don't know, for getting around that.

Please fill free to review all your questions now, and if you fill you missed one you would really like to know, please fill free to post that question as well.

Thank you,
Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

Tim4848, you should have the ability to post links. Just try the standard www.randi.org (http://www.randi.org) and preview your message. Just after typing the .org, the message automatically detected the website and made it a link.

[Hokulele]

Tim4848, you should have the ability to post links. Just try the standard www.randi.org (http://www.randi.org) and preview your message. Just after typing the .org, the message automatically detected the website and made it a link.


Tim was once spanked for spamming irrelevant links, and is now sulking about it. Just ignore the links bit for now, as none of the ones he posted had anything to do with anything he was waffling on about.

[Tim4848]

Why haven't you shown up on tv like you said you would? Has Lisa Williams responded to you?


I did not give a time frame on something that I have no control over.

Lisa e-mail saids that she is very busy at this time, or something like that.

Anything else?

[Little 10 Toes]

Tim4848, here is my list of questions for you concerning this current thread:

Re: message #4 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2892789&postcount=4); Name of this "one guy"? How does his ability help you? What communication have you had with Lisa Williams? Can you take the time to explain what that whole sentence means? What are mind maps? What is this pattern that you claim exists? You just said that you would give the people the credit, but now you'll give nature and the out of body afterlife the credit? What is it that you "can really do" when you "get to the other side" that you can't do here living? Can you please provide proof of the afterlife that can be tested independently? What topic would the "experts" be meeting you with? Which experts? Why do you need to think outside the box? What language do you speak? What software translator do you use? What was the reply from contacting the media about BrainGate? Why are you changing projects from dead-people-BrainGate to save-the-world-Care 2 (since that was the main Google hit I found)? You do know there is a difference between dead and out of body?
Re: message #16 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2917486&postcount=16); Why does she [Lisa Williams] name the brother of the 2nd dead man, but yet can't get the dead guys name?
Re: message #61 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2940942&postcount=61); Can you show us proof of out-of-body experiances (OBE), communication with OBE's, the afterlife, communitcation with dead people, and BrainGate working on dead people? Remember, the proof would need to be verified independently.
Re: message #79 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2984609&postcount=79); If she [Lisa Williams] communicates with the dead, why did she NOT give the name of the first dead person in the first video? Why did she even go to the "big man, little man" comparison? Why did she "hit" on the name of the 2nd dead person's brother, but not the actual dead person?
Re: message #85 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2993416&postcount=85); How does your idea work with gravity? Who is "we" when you mention that, "we have not been able to get the type of support a goal like this will need"?
Re: message #97 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3006483&postcount=97); What do you mean by "this needs to be a good deal for both of us"? Why don't you send "special guest" to your website?There. That'll give you something to work on for now. I do realize that some of my questions are duplicates. You can just answer the first one.

As a sub-note to everyone, there might be some confusion in a few posts between Tim4848 and I about using numbers and machines/computers other than BrainGate. Tim4848 mentioned in the original thread a link to a site where random number generators are being monitored. He then immediately talks about Lisa Williams. Assuming that Lisa Williams was the one in charge of the machines that generate the random numbers, I said the link doesn't involve dead people and made follow-up comments here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2913593&postcount=9). Tim4848 did NOT correct me in his reply (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2916922&postcount=10) which was the next post. As we all know now, Lisa Williams is an alledged medium. Sorry for the confusion.

[Tim4848]

My thoughts on 10 Little Toes question.

!. Name of this "one guy"? Kim Peek

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_autistic_people#People_with_unspecified_fo rms_of_autism

Kim Peek, savant with a photographic or eidetic memory and developmental disabilities, possibly resulting from congenital brain abnormalities. He was once diagnosed with autism, but has now had that diagnosis changed, due to his increasing social skills.[45] He was the inspiration for the character of Raymond Babbit, played by Dustin Hoffman, in the movie Rain Man.[46]

No one questions his ability, because it does not effect us in the least, his answers are quick, and he entertains our comfort zone.

In the big picture, Kim Peek and Lisa Williams is no different, but we question her abilities, because we have to rely on other people, if her answers are correct or not, since we do not personally know these out of body afterlife people are self, and that is not fair, since in reality, we are doing nothing more than just guessing.


I have sent her an e-mail from time to time, but she is too busy at this time.
An easy version of mind mapping is taking a piece of paper and drawing circles, and putting information in the circles, and the information can be anything, then you build off of that concept with what ever you are focusing on at the time, but the neat things about mind maps is the ability to connect with outside sources, and those type of connections will change the way you live your life.

Kim Peek is Mind mappings in pictures, as I am doing with this topic, except he uses pictures from the past, and I am holding on to ones from the future, and he is awarded for the ones he can recall.

Writing out some mind maps are fine, and if reality works out like you think it will everyday, then you are one step closer to making it happen.

Example, We both are playing on the same playing field if we are playing the same Madden 2001 Video Football game, and our experience should be close to the same, except for our past football experience, and how we can be creative with it, but if somebody comes along who is playing on Madden 2008, and we knew nothing about it, Then it is just over our heads for a while until we can see it, touch it, or feel it for our selfs. Some people in life are quite happy living their life with the same old game and that is fine.

Change and staying on the same page with any mind map can be hard, and it takes a lot of people to keep it going the best direction for all parties concern, and no single circle of the mind map can do it all, and they should not be expected to as well, but when we put guide lines on this possibility, by saying my idea is impossible, we are doing nothing more, than popping or delaying mind maps that can make it happen, if it can happen and nothing more.

As you can see my thoughts on every question is long, and trust me I could go longer, but nobody likes me writing a book.

I will answer more of your questions on a different reply.

Thank you for reading my thoughts.
Tim

[Miss Anthrope]

I will be glad to answer all your questions as soon as they turn my topic back into the original name, people do not have time to try and track this topic down.

Tim, your original thread still exists. This was the derail about Lisa Williams that was split away from the other topic. Post about the other topic on that thread.

[Tim4848]

Thank you for following my topic's, and please follow me back to my original topic, "The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities."

Ray Charles:

"Hit the road jack, and don't you come back no more"

I guess I am on the road again.

Dear Miss Anthrope, if you could slide in a link to make this happen quicker, I sure would appreciate it.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Dear 10 Little Toes,

I will continue to chip away at your questions as time permits, and you can find more of the answers at The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities topic.

Thank you,
Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

Good lack of responce there Tim4848. I ask you over a dozen questions, and you only answer one. Classic. And then you quote Ray Charles and you are oblivious to the whole quote.

Oh, most people call mind mapping "brain storming". Nothing new there.

How can Lisa Williams be on your team when she is too buzy now. Where's the proof that Kim is on your team?

[Little 10 Toes]

To dear Little 10 Toes, and anybody else who might be interested.

I am finally getting a complete day off Sunday, from any other requirements, so my goal that day is to answer as many questions as I can.

<snip>

Please fill free to review all your questions now, and if you fill you missed one you would really like to know, please fill free to post that question as well.

Thank you,
Tim{bolding mine}

Tim4848,as shown above you took Sunday off to answer questions. I posted my monster list late Saturday to give you plenty of time to answer as many questions as you can. That list was from questions on THIS thread, and this thread only. You answered two on this thread and two on another.

You complained in the other thread:
Dear 10 Little Toes, you are free to assume or believe what ever you like, and I am sorry that your book of questions was so long, that I would have to write a book to answer them all. My goal is to try and answer a few, let you or others give your input on those answers, then answer some more, but you never responded on Sunday to any of it, and I am trying to cut down on just placing reply after reply from just me.{bolding mine}
So Tim4848, which is it? Was your goal to take the time Sunday to answer all my questions, or was it to post at your convenience? And you have the gall to complain that I didn't respond to your post? I am still waiting for the other answers and didn't know I need to respond to everything you do.

{From the same message}
You knew I would be attempting to answering those questions on that day just for you, the least you could of done was to be there to answer some of them back in a timely matter, but it seams your main agenda is just to try and make me look bad for your own personnel gain. I also stated that I would continue to answer more of your questions in the future, and I still plan on doing that, but it has to be a good deal for both of us.

Thank you,

TimHow was I supposed to know you were going to ask me questions? You asked me one question on the other thread, which I answered. You have not asked me any questions here on 09/30 which was your day to answer.

To be fair to you, I did open that can of worms on the other thread:

<snip>
BTW: nice lack of responce to all my questions on the other thread. You had all Sunday to respond.

Getting back to this thread, how will Kim help you? Has he told you he is on your team?

[Tim4848]

{bolding mine}

Tim4848,as shown above you took Sunday off to answer questions. I posted my monster list late Saturday to give you plenty of time to answer as many questions as you can. That list was from questions on THIS thread, and this thread only. You answered two on this thread and two on another.

You complained in the other thread:
{bolding mine}
So Tim4848, which is it? Was your goal to take the time Sunday to answer all my questions, or was it to post at your convenience? And you have the gall to complain that I didn't respond to your post? I am still waiting for the other answers and didn't know I need to respond to everything you do.

{From the same message}How was I supposed to know you were going to ask me questions? You asked me one question on the other thread, which I answered. You have not asked me any questions here on 09/30 which was your day to answer.

To be fair to you, I did open that can of worms on the other thread:


Getting back to this thread, how will Kim help you? Has he told you he is on your team?

Hi, 10 Little Toes,

I can see that you are really concerned about answers to your questions, and that is good, because you have a lot of good questions, and as you can see, even with my best intentions, I can only do so much.

My family, and work expects a lot from me as well, so please be kind and bare with me, as I juggle my mine map with more balance.


To save time, please pick three of your best questions, and I will see what I can do to answer them.

Thank you 10 Little Toes, for taking the time to know more about this topic.

Tim