September 2007 Stundie Nominations

[Horatius]

I keep telling you people, Pan-American SuperMoneyMoney is a better name for them.





I don't know, the "SuperMoneyMoney" part doesn't flow too well.



How about Pan-American SuperPesoBucks?

Or Super Wide-American Standard Hoarding Buck-Like Exchange cRedits..... SWASHBuckLERs for short....

[JonnyFive]

I don't know, the "SuperMoneyMoney" part doesn't flow too well.

It flows a bit better if you call them "Smomos," but that's just me.

How about Pan-American SuperPesoBucks?

Or Super Wide-American Standard Hoarding Buck-Like Exchange cRedits..... SWASHBuckLERs for short....

Hey... that's perfect, let's call it that!

But first we need to annex Argentina for reasons that are not very well defined!

[Horatius]

It flows a bit better if you call them "Smomos," but that's just me.




But then you might confuse them with S'mores. And while I personally like the idea of trying to trade using tasty marshmallow and chocolate treats, I suspect you'd have a hard time convincing others....


;)

[Belz...]

To me, Rugrats porn is worse than Pokemon porn (they are goddamn toddlers?! Are you people ****** insane?!), but this is kind of like a contest of evil between Hitler and Super Hitler... they're not technically the same, but there's really no distinction on any kind of practical level.

<Giggle>. Super Hitler. Someone's gotta make a pic.

[Belz...]

I think they confuse reason with reason. The troofers reason is "9/11 was an inside job so the evil gubmint/j00s/NWO could take over the world". And indeed, they place high value on that.

Yeah, they confuse REASON (reasoning, logic, deduction) with REASON (blaming someone for something you don't like).

[Belz...]

I WIN!!!! I WIN!!!!

Title:

I Was Thinking This Morning (early) That Dylan, Could be a U.S. President when 35y.o

Snippet:

linky:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15770

Unholy mother of hell. That's... really bad.

Love the sweater avatar, by the way. Is that you, and are you drunk, yet ?

[BillyRayValentine]

It was in the interest of New York to blame everything on terrorists and planes.

This vacuous gem refers to financial motivation to turn a blind eye to the "truth".

[Travis]

At first I read that as 'twins' and thought now that's a party! :D

ummmmm ahem :blush:

Twins.....now that would be handy to.......eh......repopulate the world.:D

[Travis]

Won't we be trading in Ameros by then?

Who cares? I'm sticking to the good old Truther guide to survival. A group that's been wrong on everything else couldn't possibly also be wrong on survival could they?:p

[DavidJames]

scooby being honest about his efforts.

Do you know the meaning of the words "burden of proof"? I know you don't as the same can be said about the "truth" Movement.
It's not something I've ever needed but I know what it is.




http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=93662

[Travis]

Bah..... "burden of proof" is way overrated. It's not like it's necessary for anything important like science, law, history, government or the conduct of investigations or anything.

[Horatius]

This is from earlier this month, but I just saw it now. It's a quote in a WorldNetDaily piece on an alleged "NAU Driver's Licence". (http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502) Bolded the nominated bit:


"The North Carolina driver's license is 'North American Union' ready," charges William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration.

Gheen provided WND with a photo of an actual North Carolina license which clearly shows the hologram of the North American continent embedded on the reverse.

"The hologram looks exactly [like] the map of North America that is used as the background for the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America logo on the SPP website," Gheen told WND. "I object to the loss of sovereignty that is proceeding under the agreements being made by these unelected government bureaucrats who think we should be North American instead of the United States of America.





Imagine that, a map of North America that looks exactly like a map of North America. Those Bastards!

[defaultdotxbe]

Imagine that, a map of North America that looks exactly like a map of North America. Those Bastards!
whats funnier is that it DOESNT look like the map in the SPP logo, the SPP logo has north america disproportionately large compared to the globe background, while the NC drivers liscense is a more realistic globe centered on the US

[Totovader]

Ok, I think I have a stundie nomination:


totovader, What psychical evidence do you have that planes hit the towers? (sic)

I literally fell off my chair.

Comment was made here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=L5zo-0I-SVc), by AtomicSpaceGirl (http://youtube.com/user/AtomicSpaceGirl).

[Sabrina]

Psychical? As in, mental?

Okay, I know that's a typo, but DAMN that's funny!!!

[Totovader]

Psychical? As in, mental?

Okay, I know that's a typo, but DAMN that's funny!!!

She did it a couple more times, and after I called her out on it, this was her response:


I intentionally misspelled 'psychical' 'physical' because I know that this is what people that have lost the argument look for. Thanks for more proof of it.

I told her that made no sense at all.

The best part about it is that after trying for hours to claim there is no physical evidence of the planes hitting the towers- she freely admitted that planes did- in fact- hit the towers... she just claims there's no evidence for it. Probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen: a conspiracist trying to demolish their own claims. I had no idea how to handle it, except sit back and watch crazy unravel...

[Travis]

Psychical? As in, mental?

Okay, I know that's a typo, but DAMN that's funny!!!

No, no it's when one simultaneously sees the future, past and present while enduring a stroke and enjoying a foot massage.

[Travis]

She did it a couple more times, and after I called her out on it, this was her response:



I told her that made no sense at all.

The best part about it is that after trying for hours to claim there is no physical evidence of the planes hitting the towers- she freely admitted that planes did- in fact- hit the towers... she just claims there's no evidence for it. Probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen: a conspiracist trying to demolish their own claims. I had no idea how to handle it, except sit back and watch crazy unravel...

Wow. Sounds like a special kind of nutcase you have there.

By the way, watching "crazy unravel" is almost as much fun as watching a "singularity of stupid" form.:D

[tarrou]

This made me laugh, and I submit it as my first nomination.
Some guy called Roboscoop at the Loose Change forum had this response to
a video of a 3 1/2 hour lecture from Michael Tsarion:


even if you don't wanna buy into the idea of "alien intervention" there is much to be learned from this dude.
link:
z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15043

[Alferd_Packer]

Most of the speakers took a similarly belligerent tone. Adam Kokesh, the director of Iraq Veterans Against the War, mused about America's commitment to attacking governments that sponsor terrorism, noting that with campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq going on, "It's too bad [the military is] stretched too thin to strike America." He added that this is why the Founders included the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights--"It's time to rise up," he said, and overthrow a tyrannical government.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/113zubvo.asp?pg=2
Huh????

[TellyKNeasuss]

From a different opponent on the Rocky Mountain News forum:

Yet according to the anvil-hammer theory, floors designed to support 100 + floor are pulverized by 10 floors thanks to their momentum.The floors support the weight of the floors above them? Then the columns serve what purpose? To look impressive?

http://multimedia.rockymountainnews.com/forums/index.cfm?frmid=20&tpcid=5754&s=241
(markdnvr's lengthy and illogical post).

[blobru]

1st CT post! :explode
UK Conspiracy site (probably familiar to vets here); just started poking around, already 2 posters have wowed & wooed me...

Louise on area 51, ET tech, and the mean ol' military:

But as usual we all know whats likely happening in area 51 when the millitary gets hold of advanced technology of this type, we can probably guess what goes through their minds the moment they see it, and it goes something like this:

"Wow what an advanced piece of technology, how can make a weapon out of it".

"How can we use it to kill loads of people, and make us superior in millitary terms over the rest of the world"

This i think is how the millitary think, they are forever locked in their own selfish greed.link (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=10302&start=165) -- Move over, Dudley Manlove! [Plan 9]

Bossgator on math:
Mathmatics has evolved over the ages, as we have grown in our understanding of it. What we know today, is literally generations beyond what was known even a thousand years ago.link (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=10302&start=183)

Bossgator, skeptical patriot:
We Americans take great pride in our claims of space ventures, and any attempt to prove the claims to be true has got my full support!
link (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=11293&start=15)

Sorry, no 9/11 noms, just some classic space "twoof" (if that's the word?)

[Dave Rogers]

There have been some unrealistically small estimates bandied about of the time it takes to rig a building for demolition, of which I previously thought Scenario 404 was the most ludicrous. However, allibearbear, in only his or her third post, lowered the bar for us all. And the parting shot is worthy of Stundie at his best.

Method? Lay a charge during the 15 minutes the guard takes a break everyday and the charge will survive the only two, small fires caught on video.
This isn't rocket science, but it's being made out to be.

Dave

[afinemadness]

This one is from kupci on LCF in response to E^N rebuttal on the History channel piece:
Kupci: What plagues the truth movement is the Main Stream Media denial.

This science stuff always annoys me, coming from the junk science crowd, i.e. global warming is a hoax conspiracy theorists, funded by big oil.

So yeh, you anti-science folks are a bit suspect.

Ignoring of the scientific method. Tell me how definining the outcome "bldgs collapsed because of fire caused by planes" is following the scientific method. You get an F.

An animation huh? Like the famously incorrect PBS animation, showing their trusses theory, later proven flawed? Funny, how we're all trained to settle for PowerPoints and animations these days, to replace actual thinking. Sometimes I think the American public is so hoodwinked by the 11th Sept magic show is their TV and movie watching impairing their ability to discern what is real and what is neocon marketing gimmarckery and fakery, such that gravity works outwards. Next, you'll be telling us gravity works upwards, eh? I look forward to the maths, commented.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15634

[defaultdotxbe]

Funny, how we're all trained to settle for PowerPoints and animations these days, to replace actual thinking.
youtube > powerpoint apparently

[GT/CS]

Here's one from LCF that I love.

It makes us all look like a bunch of adolescent ninnying lowbrows.

[BirdyBuddy]

I nominate Oliver for the following post:
<snipped>... First of all you should read more in the Loose Change Forum to know that these comparisons are pretty common and accepted over there.

(my bold)
Precious!


ETA: added dropped part as noted below. Thanks!

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I nominate Oliver for the following post:


(my bold)
Precious!


Sorry, but I have to call you on this one. The full sentence is:

First of all you should read more in the Loose Change Forum to
know that these comparisons are pretty common and accepted
over there.


The "over there" you left off is, of course, referring to LCF. Although he does go and blow it by posting a link to an ambiguous Google search...

[BirdyBuddy]

Yeah, you're right. I just dropped it while snipping the pertinent part... oops! Fixed it above. Still pretty bold to refer to LCF as a reliable source though...

[boloboffin]

That's in the next ten years of the step-by-step plan. I forgot, will we be speaking Esperanta (?) by then?

OMG, has Hillary even made Esperanto feminine now? The NWO triumphs again! :D

[Mobyseven]

Ok, this has to be quick. In a startling display of disappointment, I don't have an interwebs connection at the moment - this is a quick log on at a friends house. Does anyone want to pull a qarnos for this month? PM me soon!

[qarnos]

From The Journal of 9/11 Stundies (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/LeggeVerticalCollapseWTC7_6.pdf):

Photographs enable estimation of the temperature of the WTC buildings at the time of collapse.

[Dave Rogers]

Does anyone want to pull a qarnos for this month?

You're thinking of having him imploded? Sounds like a rather drastic way of dealing with the competition.

Dave

[Dave Rogers]

Browsing through the Screw Loose Change comments, I picked up this piece of desperation from Boris Epstein which I'd like to nominate:

http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user= screwloosechange &comment=1035752525984080169 - 29th post from the top.

(The link hasn't gone in properly - does anyone know how to fix it?)

The deformation of columns - even if real as it could be an optical effect, in part or in full - has nothing to do with either the demolition hypothesis or that of the sequential collapse of any kind.


Because, presumably, total structural collapse is possible without any deformation?

Dave

[Foolmewunz]

Ding! This just in. (It's in the Dylan vs. William R thread on LCF.)

In the best tradition of Teh Stundies, I want to nominate three incomprehensible sentences posted by MYNAMEIS

Ask why the selective nature of the sensitivity of the information whereas concerned. COINTELPRO is beyond my knowledge to speculate bugged or debugged. I think we are stifled by such assertions.


http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16305&view=findpost&p=14606791

Word salad? Computer generated? Good ganja?

[Belz...]

What ?

[JonnyFive]

What ?

I think he's saying that there are bugs crawling on his brain and his skin is very sensitive because it is perpetually on fire, but I've been wrong in the past.

[Travis]

I think he's saying that there are bugs crawling on his brain and his skin is very sensitive because it is perpetually on fire, but I've been wrong in the past.

Well, that or he has a baby crawling across his ceiling.

[8den]

What ?

I've miss placed my english/stupid dictionary, so cannot translate.

[JonnyFive]

Well, that or he has a baby crawling across his ceiling.

Maybe both, who knows?

[Disbelief]

Not sure if this one is here, so I will post it anyway. This is talking about the steel being sent to China.


Then it wasn't there as they spirited it away to China apparantly, in trucks with GPS trackers onboard.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15718

[Gravy]

Storieskeepchanging (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16305&view=findpost&p=14606432) @ LCF requests that Loose Change Final Cut include a fugitive from justice and a fugitive from sanity.

Two celebrities I'd like to see in it, not knowing if possible or even interested in it.

Wesley Snipes

Gary Busey

[nicepants]

From "Zombie bill hicks" over at LCF (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16305&view=findpost&p=14606080)

A few suggestions on narration, since Sheen won't be doing it...

I think it would be cool if one of these people narrated it:

Janeane Garofalo
Mos Def
Ed Asner
Daniel Sunjata

...and James Earl Jones

Yes...narration by Mos Def would be highly entertaining.

"WTC7 was a contrizzled demolizzle, [rule8]!"

[nicepants]

Not sure if this one is here, so I will post it anyway. This is talking about the steel being sent to China.



http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15718

And, in case you missed it, he was actually talking about MOLTEN steel at that point!

[Belz...]

"WTC7 was a contrizzled demolizzle, [rule8]!"

At least it wasn't dustified!

[Horatius]

Not sure if this one is here, so I will post it anyway. This is talking about the steel being sent to China.

Then it wasn't there as they spirited it away to China apparantly, in trucks with GPS trackers onboard.


http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15718



"... in trucks with GPS trackers onboard."


What I'd like to know is, why did he feel it necessary to include the detail that the trucks had GPS trackers? Does that make it more sinister somehow? Or do the control freaks at the NWO just like knowing exactly where their pilfered molten steel is at every moment?

Seriously, WTF?

[Belz...]

GPS is evil, man.

[jsfisher]

"... in trucks with GPS trackers onboard."


What I'd like to know is, why did he feel it necessary to include the detail that the trucks had GPS trackers? Does that make it more sinister somehow? Or do the control freaks at the NWO just like knowing exactly where their pilfered molten steel is at every moment?

Seriously, WTF?

Without GPS trackers, trucks have trouble making it across the Pacific Ocean to China. Too many slide into the Marianna Trench, never to be heard from again.

[defaultdotxbe]

"... in trucks with GPS trackers onboard."


What I'd like to know is, why did he feel it necessary to include the detail that the trucks had GPS trackers? Does that make it more sinister somehow? Or do the control freaks at the NWO just like knowing exactly where their pilfered molten steel is at every moment?

Seriously, WTF?
isnt "trucks with gps" kinda like saying "trucks with wheels" these days?

[Drudgewire]

GPS is evil, man.
Well sure, it requires microchips and they are made by corporations...




...maaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!

[fezzic]

"... in trucks with GPS trackers onboard."


What I'd like to know is, why did he feel it necessary to include the detail that the trucks had GPS trackers? Does that make it more sinister somehow? Or do the control freaks at the NWO just like knowing exactly where their pilfered molten steel is at every moment?

Seriously, WTF?

Presumably to infer that the movement of the trucks to China was or could be tracked [by someone] and, probably because, it would suit the poster that, the "conspiracy" would want to know where the 'evidence' was at all times. Another complicating but inconsequential item to excite the techno inclined.

Next thing you know, it would be inferred or claimed that the larger individual pieces of steel were each tagged with a GPS tracking device. :)

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I don't know if this counts, but...

In this thread of comments on the SLC blog (http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=%20screwloosechange%20&comment=4636366520683299757) a truther going by the name of "Mark" shows up to tell us all how ignorant we are. Unfortunately, he seems to have some trouble with details of his own life...

I am 42, own my own business and I was in the air force.
I was in Vietnam.
Vietnam vet, huh? We left in 1975, right? When you were ten?

Must have been in the infant-ry.


I wonder if this is the same kid that claimed to be an employee at the Pentagon in an email to JamesB?

[Foolmewunz]

I'm having a busy week over here, and if one of you guys could get Roscoe to get me some information on those trucks that made it to China, I'd sure appreciate it. There'd be a finder's fee.

Any truck that can not only carry "molten" metal, but also drive to China could surely make the return trip. We're in peak season over here and with Toys R Us and Mattell taking up all the container space in the beginning of the fourth quarter (something about having to replace several hundred million in faulty product - I'm sure it's in the MSM somewhere), I could make a bundle on trucking goods over for the Christmas market.

Actually, I think we've solved a question that's bugging them on the Science forums. Global Warming! See, they needed those trucks (est. 20 tons of steel per truck) to get that molten steel out of there before Cheney's fingerprints could be found. So they put GPS on the trucks and headed them via the only route possible.... Due North! They went the polar route! And the heat of hundreds and hundreds of truckloads carrying molten metal over the Arctic Circle is what started the melting of the polar cap!

Ends insane rant. (Obviously, as Powerhouse pointed out over there, Roscoe is a bit challenged. Reminds me of Stundie and Killtown. Backs himself into a corner and then rather than simply say, "I meant previously molten steel after it had cooled and I meant that they trucked them to a site where they loaded it on ships", he keeps arguing that they trucked molten metal out directly to China.)

Why haven't Powerhouse and Patches O'Houlighan been banned over there? They effectively take the kidz apart at every turn. I think LCF needs debunkers or they have no membership. I don't know if I attribute it to DA. I think IVXX may be the only person there to understand that if they don't let debunkers in they will be reduced to twenty-five members (4 hard core conspiradroids and 21 children with hall passes). I'm sure if Rev91 had his way, he'd toss all the debunkers.

While on the topic (and if anyone is still reading this post - I do tend to ramble, don't I). Patches' style is familiar. Is he/she one of the forumites, here? (No names, please. Just curious if anyone knows.)

[Oliver]

This one is hilarious - I like Elder4Truth's sarcasm... :D

You can't possibly believe that the government's version is false unless you believe something contrary to their version took place.


I disagree fully.

If you come home to find your house collapsed to the ground, and the official explanation is that 19 leprechauns wielding miniature sledgehammers demolished it because they hated the color you painted it, and...

Nobody in your neighborhood saw those gnomes smashing your house, and you can't find anyplace that sells miniature sledgehammers and besides, the wreckage is smoldering...

I'd say you can easily believe the official story is false. You don't need to have an alternative hypothesis, although you would certainly start looking for one.

Source: http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16367

[Foolmewunz]

This one is hilarious - I like Elder4Truth's sarcasm... :D

Huh? She actually proved the point of the question put to her! Note that she mentions seeing evidence that something else occurred, yet she and you think that conters the question?

ETA: Oh.... and to the best of my knowledge of rhetoric, that's not sarcasm.

[Belz...]

...maaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!

...duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude!!

[Gravy]

Siemens Westinghouse Science and Technology Competition
Category: Engineering
Entrant: 888LetsRoll (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16172&view=findpost&p=14602797) @ LCF
the outer skin of the WTC 1 and 2 had massive I beams what every 3 feet..
when you view the gapping open cavities of the wounds. you can not see
these gurters. (they were basically indestructable) and given the force load
of a fully laden jet .. I would assume" 4 of these gurters to be taken out.
2 engines - massive landing gear. the rest of the plane should have went through a shredder. I see no plane parts and no gurters... >?< mystery to me

[dudalb]

From "Zombie bill hicks" over at LCF (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16305&view=findpost&p=14606080)

A few suggestions on narration, since Sheen won't be doing it...



Yes...narration by Mos Def would be highly entertaining.

"WTC7 was a contrizzled demolizzle, [rule8]!"


BIll Hicks hated the Bushes,but if he were still alive he would he ripping the Twoofers a new one because of their stupidity.

[qarnos]

Siemens Westinghouse Science and Technology Competition
Category: Engineering
Entrant: 888LetsRoll (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16172&view=findpost&p=14602797) @ LCF

That's what I call a champagne Stundie.

[OldTigerCub]

I hope I understand the Stundie qualifications for nomination...as I would like to nominate Jon Gold for this post (which Pat Curley pointed out at SLC):
http://911blogger.com/node/11646#comment

Just a few lines:
The 9/11 Truth Movement I belong to doesn't invite individuals with a known history of disruption, and promotion of questionable, crazy sounding theories to speak at 9/11 Truth conferences.

The 9/11 Truth Movement I belong to doesn't promote information provided by individuals with a known history of disruption, and promotion of questionable, crazy sounding theories.



...and for going into total meltdown mode in the comments section of the SLC blog:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user= screwloosechange &comment=2343484827943570546

I'm not gonna quote any of that thread as most of Gold's lines contain at least 1 rule 10 violation.

Great work, Pat!:D

[Alareth]

... given the force load
of a fully laden jet


Is that an African or European jet?

[funk de fino]

from Loose Change

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16170

8bitagent inadvertantly gets backed into a corner by a fellow truther over his claims of proof and admits it was a hearsay piece from rumourmillnews

proof that a white male bought the Flight 93 tickets, possibly as an FBI sting operation involving Moussaoui and some of the hijackers in Oklahoma


I've heard all of them except the one about proof that a white man bought the flight 93 tickets. Where did you hear that one?

Former Senator David Boren is currently president of the University of Oklahoma in Norman, where I reside. In the fall of 2001, I was talking to an OU library employee who told me that she was present when an FBI agent was interviewing her colleague. From this encounter she learned that an OU library computer terminal had been used for an online purchase of an airline ticket for a 9/11 hijacker who was on the plane which crashed in Pennsylvania. She also told me that the person who made the purchase had not been a hijacker. Contrary to expectation, he was a white American male, but he knew he was assisting the hijacking operation.

The librarian's report is consistent with information provided by Yosri Fouda and Nick Fielding in their book Masterminds of Terror.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archi...ames;read=49578

Now I know, this information coming from a site called "rumor mills" can be seen as fishy, but...



Proof indeed then

[Belz...]

Siemens Westinghouse Science and Technology Competition
Category: Engineering
Entrant: 888LetsRoll (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16172&view=findpost&p=14602797) @ LCF

Basically Indestructable.

[Belz...]

Now I know, this information coming from a site called "rumor mills" can be seen as fishy, but...

"BUT it supports my own ideas so I choose to believe it!"

[JonnyFive]

What the eff is a "gurter?"

[twinstead]

What the eff is a "gurter?"

Not sure, but I think 4 of them equal a dollar.

[JonnyFive]

Not sure, but I think 4 of them equal a dollar.

No, no, you're thinking of a "qater."

I think they're those things that help to drain water off your roof.

[Bell]

What the eff is a "gurter?"

This is a gurter:

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/1045841290038470030goTsJl

[afinemadness]

No, no, you're thinking of a "qater."

I think they're those things that help to drain water off your roof.

No no it is a growth on the thyroid

[JonnyFive]

This is a gurter:

Well, she does look basically indestructible.

[twinstead]

Well, she does look basically indestructible.

Oh my. I think I'm in love :jaw-dropp ;)

[Dave Rogers]

This is a rather bizarre comment from makker, commenting on the SLC article on Jon Gold's manifesto.

http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user= screwloosechange &comment=2343484827943570546 - about 45 posts down.

You wont get mark roberts talking in detail about the goals of the neocons, the actions of goverments since 9/11 the obvious fictions of the 'war on terror', the cover-ups of able danger, the implications of sibel edmonds claims , the israeli connection. Focusing right in on the melting point of steel one can make an argument either way, taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture and connecting the dots there is little debate to be had.

If I read him right, he's saying that politics and motivation is a matter of verifiable fact, but the meting point of steel is a matter of opinion.

Dave

[JamesB]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but this is Terral at the Loose Change Forum explaining how the 5 lightpoles in front of the Pentagon got knocked over.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16120

This first event happened so quickly, that anyone not looking that way never saw it. The missile was supersonic, so nobody ‘saw’ it pass straight through the 27 cloverleaf to knock down the 5 light poles via the ‘bow shockwave.’ Everyone would have been alarmed by the poles snapping off and coming right back down. The traffic would stop like there was a big accident. Everyone gets out of their vehicles to access the damage, but by that time the plume of smoke was carried by the wind over the Pentagon roof. Very few people saw the original missile attack. But of those who 'did' see the missile fire/smoke, that number included the firemen of Engine 161; who headed for the E-Ring wall to begin setting up to put out the fire. However, here comes the small plane on the North Citgo flight path that Michael Kelly (and the USA Today people) saw pass over their heads and strike the E-Ring wall between column line 8 and 13. Now, you saw no fire burning around the E-Ring wall ‘after’ the missile strike. Right? Look at the above frames again very closely if needed. You did see the plume of fire and then smoke go over the roof in 8 frames, but the wall itself was not on fire. Right? Okay then, where did all of these fires come from?

[Belz...]

Yeah, those target-specific shockwaves are annoying.

[GlennB]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but this is Terral at the Loose Change Forum explaining how the 5 lightpoles in front of the Pentagon got knocked over.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16120

Yeah. Supersonic makes you invisible. Didn't Einstein make that very same point? It was something to do with moving really fast, I'm pretty sure.

I suspect Terral might be ChristopherA on more interesting meds ....

[GlennB]

In a previous nomination I omitted to include Terral's graphic, whereby he calculates ... er, well ... that AA77 is about 2/5ths of ... something ... and is ... er ... only 2' in diameter and therefore is a cruise-missile.
That the shadow (barrier?) at the bottom of his 5' slice is much much closer than the aircraft has escaped him.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l131/Ignatz_CT/Terral5feet.jpg

[JonnyFive]

Yeah. Supersonic makes you invisible. Didn't Einstein make that very same point? It was something to do with moving really fast, I'm pretty sure.

I suspect Terral might be ChristopherA on more interesting meds ....

As opposed to ChristopherA, who is ChristopherA on no meds.

[Mancman]

In a previous nomination I omitted to include Terral's graphic, whereby he calculates ... er, well ... that AA77 is about 2/5ths of ... something ... and is ... er ... only 2' in diameter and therefore is a cruise-missile.
That the shadow (barrier?) at the bottom of his 5' slice is much much closer than the aircraft has escaped him.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l131/Ignatz_CT/Terral5feet.jpg

So according to Terral the Pentagon is ten feet tall?

[JamesB]

In a previous nomination I omitted to include Terral's graphic, whereby he calculates ... er, well ... that AA77 is about 2/5ths of ... something ... and is ... er ... only 2' in diameter and therefore is a cruise-missile.
That the shadow (barrier?) at the bottom of his 5' slice is much much closer than the aircraft has escaped him.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l131/Ignatz_CT/Terral5feet.jpg

I saw that. That cracked me up. So if I hold my hand out at arm's length, the moon is half the size of my thumb, so that means the moon is only 1 inch in diameter!

There that proves there was no moon landing!

[funk de fino]

In a previous nomination I omitted to include Terral's graphic, whereby he calculates ... er, well ... that AA77 is about 2/5ths of ... something ... and is ... er ... only 2' in diameter and therefore is a cruise-missile.
That the shadow (barrier?) at the bottom of his 5' slice is much much closer than the aircraft has escaped him.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l131/Ignatz_CT/Terral5feet.jpg

He is aware that the Tomahawk is subsonic I take it? self debunk alert again

[Undesired Walrus]

US, worse off then Burma
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...howtopic=16429

I couldn't risk going to jail for protesting like this unless I had my house paid off. And that is another 28 years from now.

[Unsecured Coins]

talk about dedication for the cause

[JamesB]

He is aware that the Tomahawk is subsonic I take it? self debunk alert again

They added in a supercharger. Dropped in a Chevy big block, some 7 inch pipes, Mach 2 before you know it!

[Horatius]

Reggie_perrin on LCF: (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16490&view=findpost&p=14612891)


Yeh, because the best way to make money is to make a film and then release it free on google and hand out copies for free in the streets, i respect your opinions but come on, i REALLY doubt the main motivation for the makers of loose change is money, sure they may make money out of the final cut but when they were making the early cuts and releasing them on the net for free they probably didn't envision whats happening now, also people need to make a living.



They weren't "making money", they were just "making a living".

The cognitive dissonance is staggering...

[Dave Rogers]

Swing Dangler is making a desperate late run for the title here.

Last man out of the tower...before or after it collapsed? No offense but after it collpases, it is no longer a tower. Did Lim escape prior to collapse?

So anybody who was in the tower when it collapsed never got out of the tower, by definition.

Dave

[Belz...]

US, worse off then Burma
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...howtopic=16429

"I couldn't risk going to jail for protesting like this unless I had my house paid off. And that is another 28 years from now. "

Well, he should be happy! He'll finish paying the house before he's 40.

[Dave Rogers]

It's subtle, but I think I'll go ahead and nominate Christopher7 for this question.

Are there any examples from 911 that exhibit this refraction characteristic?

The only inference to be drawn is that the laws of optics only applied on 911 if they were demonstrated to apply on 911; demonstrating that they applied all the rest of the time doesn't count.

Dave

[Gravy]

In the LCF thread about the Albany 9/11 truth movement leader who has deprogrammed himself, holycanoli (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16490&view=findpost&p=14613539) is asked how he would improve the truth movement.

Ask adult questions; by that I mean stick to what is really unreasonable.

[CptColumbo]

In the LCF thread about the Albany 9/11 truth movement leader who has deprogrammed himself, holycanoli (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16490&view=findpost&p=14613539) is asked how he would improve the truth movement.The "twoof" movement in Albany is large enough to need a leader? Is he/she called "Grand Poobah?"

[Gravy]

Finally the truth movement has something substantial to hang their hat on. At LCF ihatecreditors (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16477&view=findpost&p=14612723) claims that Saddam Hussein could not have grown a bushy beard...in nine months.

Saddam's beard before we attacked was not there just a mustache. When we captured him he had a huge beard. Way beyond capabilities of beard growth for the time he was missing.


For comparison, here's me, a much less hirsute person than Hussein, at four months of beard growth.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879046fd7918d86d0.jpg

[Brainache]

The "twoof" movement in Albany is large enough to need a leader? Is he/she called "Grand Poobah?"

I think Gravy already stated that the leader of Albany Truth is called the Holy Canoli.

[CptColumbo]

I think Gravy already stated that the leader of Albany Truth is called the Holy Canoli.I see....So it's not just their handle on LCF, it's also a "job."

[Gravy]

The "twoof" movement in Albany is large enough to need a leader? Is he/she called "Grand Poobah?"It's a university student thing. The thread is amusing. Avery is ticked off because he spoke twice at the U at his own cost, and now this guy is dissing him. The guy says if he knew then what he knows now, he would have punched Avery in the mouth for his disgraceful behavior.

[Pardalis]

Uncanny (http://bookreviewsandmore.ca/uploaded_images/TheMission-783771.jpg)! :eye-poppi

[CptColumbo]

It's a university student thing. The thread is amusing. Avery is ticked off because he spoke twice at the U at his own cost, and now this guy is dissing him. The guy says if he knew then what he knows now, he would have punched Avery in the mouth for his disgraceful behavior.What does he know now, that he didn't know then, and yet stays in the "movement?"

[Gravy]

What does he know now, that he didn't know then, and yet stays in the "movement?"He's quitting the movement. He's angry at being lied to and ashamed for falling for the lies. His eyes were opened by the Screw Loose Change and Screw 9/11 Mysteries videos, and by 911myths.com. http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16490

[Rolfe]

He's quitting the movement. He's angry at being lied to and ashamed for falling for the lies. His eyes were opened by the Screw Loose Change and Screw 9/11 Mysteries videos, and by 911myths.com. http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16490


Gravy, that's dynamite. I presume Stalin's airbrush will soon be at work?

Rolfe.

[Bell]

Finally the truth movement has something substantial to hang their hat on. At LCF ihatecreditors (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16477&view=findpost&p=14612723) claims that Saddam Hussein could not have grown a bushy beard...in nine months.



For comparison, here's me, a much less hirsute person than Hussein, at four months of beard growth.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879046fd7918d86d0.jpg

You did not grow that beard just to proof thee troofers wrong, did you? Please tell me you didn't? :)

[CptColumbo]

He's quitting the movement. He's angry at being lied to and ashamed for falling for the lies. His eyes were opened by the Screw Loose Change and Screw 9/11 Mysteries videos, and by 911myths.com. http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16490That's good to read.

[Gravy]

Gravy, that's dynamite. I presume Stalin's airbrush will soon be at work?Surprisingly, the thread is still there, although the guy who started it has been banned.

You did not grow that beard just to proof thee troofers wrong, did you? Please tell me you didn't? :)I did...in 2001. I got tired of them taking so long to make this claim, though, and shaved it off. I have some Italian friends who could probably grow a beard like that in two weeks.

[Gravy]

Ok, this has to be quick. In a startling display of disappointment, I don't have an interwebs connection at the moment - this is a quick log on at a friends house. Does anyone want to pull a qarnos for this month? PM me soon!If no one else has volunteered, I'll do the Stundie poll this month, but only this month. (I sent a PM to Mobyseven).

[Bell]

I did...in 2001. I got tired of them taking so long to make this claim, though, and shaved it off. I have some Italian friends who could probably grow a beard like that in two weeks.

I guess that should be 2003 or 2004? :)

[R.Mackey]

Finally the truth movement has something substantial to hang their hat on. At LCF ihatecreditors (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16477&view=findpost&p=14612723) claims that Saddam Hussein could not have grown a bushy beard...in nine months.

That is precious.

Further proof, as if any was needed, that most of the Truth Movement isn't old enough to shave...

[Unsecured Coins]

Finally the truth movement has something substantial to hang their hat on. At LCF ihatecreditors (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16477&view=findpost&p=14612723) claims that Saddam Hussein could not have grown a bushy beard...in nine months.



For comparison, here's me, a much less hirsute person than Hussein, at four months of beard growth.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879046fd7918d86d0.jpg

Oh crap.. for a minute there I thought you found a picture of my mom

[Gravy]

Oh crap.. for a minute there I thought you found a picture of my momWasn't that posted earlier? (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/1045841290038470030goTsJl) (Talk about someone who goes through a lot of razor blades....)

[Gravy]

I guess that should be 2003 or 2004? :)You apparently missed a whole series of memos.

[Foolmewunz]

Surprisingly, the thread is still there, although the guy who started it has been banned.

<SNIP>



As has "Eli". Apparently asking three times in a single thread about DA's claim to have alreayd SOLD 50,000 DVDs is not to their liking.

This thread will disappear, but I know someone's already got it captured.

[Foolmewunz]

Found this gem, and if we're giving Teh Stundie for the absolutely dumbest thing ever said, this may be our boy. A newcomer calling himself "Sariki"


http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2138&view=findpost&p=14602390

I think that idea is awesome idea.
I am enlisted in the Navy going on deployment in November.
A copy of that DVD to show ton's of the Marnies and other Navy guys on my ship would be awesome. I am just saying though. I like ideas like that.
~Sariki

I hang out with the young 'uns when the fleet's in HK for R&R. I haven't yet met a troofer, and I generally ask when we're talking about what's news back in the states. The kids in the navy are pretty patriotic, perhaps even a little too patriotic for my tastes, but they take offence at the Troofers, as a whole.

Do they still do that bar of soap in a towel thing? :spjimlad::spjimlad:

If so, we may need to give Sariki the award now, because I don't think we have anything in the by-laws about awarding it posthumously.

And what's he got against Marnie?

[qarnos]

If no one else has volunteered, I'll do the Stundie poll this month, but only this month. (I sent a PM to Mobyseven).

I'd already PM'd Moby about "coming out of retirement" for this month. If you want to collaborate to ensure a bias free Stundies, I'd be honoured. :)

[Unsecured Coins]

Wasn't that posted earlier? (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/1045841290038470030goTsJl) (Talk about someone who goes through a lot of razor blades....)


*sobs* :(

[defaultdotxbe]

*sobs* :(
that was a total setup for "my mom and can beat up your mom/dad/family/entire town"

[Unsecured Coins]

that would true if she wasn't already HHH's stunt double in the WWE

[Alareth]

Finally the truth movement has something substantial to hang their hat on. At LCF ihatecreditors (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16477&view=findpost&p=14612723) claims that Saddam Hussein could not have grown a bushy beard...in nine months.



For comparison, here's me, a much less hirsute person than Hussein, at four months of beard growth.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879046fd7918d86d0.jpg


With a beard like that you'd be a shoe-in to become the dictator for life of a nice banana republic somewhere.

[blobru]

(from UK 9/11 site)
Truther sees parodies of the movement in black and white terms:
Posting pictures of people wearing tin foil hats may be amusing to a few sad minded individuals but to others it is extremely insulting, especially as the people who are bing poked fun of are only interested in the truth - something others wish to close their eyes and minds to. It reminds me of the time when segragationists would poke fun of black people and hand golly wogs in their windows as a display of their political views regaring integration! link (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=10637&start=0)

"I dream of a day, when truthers will be judged by the content of their characters, and not the shininess of their hats..." :tinfoil

[LashL]

I have to nominate "tower" at LCF for the unintentional irony in this post (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15532&view=findpost&p=14591144):

On the other hand, I find it ABSOLUTELY TOTALLY HILLARIOUS that you got banned.
...

WHEN YOU LACK ARGUMENTS, USE CAPS LOCK.

[Horatius]

Dylan Avery has an even better one, right at the start of that thread: (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15532&view=findpost&p=14581361)


Does this guy provide any calculations or a mechanism for this collapse?

Bad news for Mr. Morrisey: Saying something doesn't make it true.

His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited? I suggest he do a little research into the conservation of momentum.


Let's see, Film School Reject, PhD level Cambridge University Engineer.....who to listen to? I hate such hard decisions!

ETA: And, I almost missed it: DA asks, "Does this guy provide any calculations"?, then quotes the part about the guys calculations......:dl:

[Horatius]

Can we have a special category for the most misquotes of NIST in one thread?


NIST would've released a computer model if they had one that showed total and rapid collapse.


Especially now, instead they dismiss the claim and state that "...NIST was not assigned the task of determining how both towers collapsed at free fall speed into their own relative footprint"

But even NIST (do I recall?) even said that hte vast majority of the fuel was burned off during the initial collision fireball, and what remained was ignited office furniture creating "2 isolated pockets of fire" that could easily have been knocked out.


That second one might not be (entirely) a "quote" from NIST, but the sentence is so badly written, someone unfamiliar with the usual twoofer arguments might think it is....

[OldTigerCub]

A little rant just swimming in irony from troother poster "blubonnet" on the SLC Blog comments under the 9/28 post "This made my day" about MikeyMetz stepping down from UA truth group:

www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user= screwloosechange &comment=8928996400803756021
The post is at the end, or very close to the end of the comments.
<snip>
But the difference between us, is that we have the guts to be honest with ourselves, instead of cowering in denial, or shilling for cash. You all are one or the other.

[GT/CS]

Deepb from LCF is on to you guys and your evil Stundies.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16555

I've never heard an official reason from one of the forum moderators, so I'm not entirely sure, but I believe the idea in doing this is to keep the discussions on-topic & consistent with the core beliefs of the truth movement (as perceived by the forum administrators).

Without moderation, the JREF-bots can:
• come here with newly-created fake accounts
• start new threads or derail existing threads with purposely-controversial questions/comments
• farm quotes from the replies to post back @ JREF (I think they call them "stundies")
By doing that, they can all laugh and reassure themselves that they're right and anybody who disagrees with them is crazy. Even with moderation, they still do this, but it forces them to only ask mostly non-controversial questions.

Every once and a while, I'm sure a legitimate/non-malicious thread "slips through the cracks" and gets moderated, but the examples of that seem to be the exception rather than the rule. If they started only moving threads into a different section of the forum, there would undoubtedly still be people replying to them, and the JREF-bots would be there to troll them, unchecked.

(Again, this is all just my opinion based on what I've seen.)

[negativ]

The link is here (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16429&view=findpost&p=14611162).

The topic: Burmese protesters vs. their really-for-real-no-kidding oppressive totalitarian government. Why are the American people, embattled in their long twilight struggle against Dick Cheney, too lazy to similarly rise up and throw off their chains, etc.

The quote, by look-up @ LCF:

I couldn't risk going to jail for protesting like this unless I had my house paid off. And that is another 28 years from now.


We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor, as soon as the mortgage is paid off.

[GlennB]

MM will not be denied ;)

"It's likely the WTC7 controlled demolition trigger mechanism failed at 10:28 am and that problem had to be rectified in order to facilitate the successful 5:20 p.m. controlled demolition.
MM"

from :
LCF (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16598)
... at the bottom, my time

[Bell]

A bomb on the flight 11 or 175 aircraft hijacked on 9/11 would make a difference to the analysis of the impact dynamics and the elasto-plastic structural response of WTC 1 & 2.

Since there were no tests carried out for explosive residues at GZ, how do we know there wasn't a bomb on the aircraft?

In all fairness... would a bomb onboard have such more impact on the destruction of the towers? Imho it would have differed nothing.

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper851/stills/3cb2ffac16b34-38-1.jpg


Bell:

Showing a photo of the impact of the aircraft hitting WTC 2 and saying a bomb would have made no difference is no help! What if that IS a photo of the bomb!

Please show me a photo of a similar aircraft impact where you KNOW for sure there was no bomb!


Bolding mine.

:dl:

[Gravy]

I wanted to come up with a witty introduction for this, but I'm at a loss for words.

The MAX-MIHOP hypothesis is as follows:

A floor in each tower had UPS batteries.
At least some of these "batteries" had iron leaves instead of lead, and salt water instead of acid.
These special "UPS batteries" were in fact iron-oxide (rust) generators.
When the jet hit the tower, a significant portion of the jet's aluminum was powderized.
The front landing gear of the jet penetrated the rust generators, throwing up a fine spray of iron-oxide and water in the path of the oncoming aluminum powder.
Naturally-occurring thermite sparks ignited the "improvised thermite".
The burning thermite, in the presence of water, created a thermite+water explosion. (I call it a phreato-thermatic explosion, at the recommendation of the many eggspurts around here.)

[8den]

I wanted to come up with a witty introduction for this, but I'm at a loss for words.
[/LIST]

Thats....thats......wow. I mean. wow... Um. What?

[Mobyseven]

Does anyone else lol-til-you-rofl at the idea of a 'Stundie-farm'?

[jsfisher]

I wanted to come up with a witty introduction for this, but I'm at a loss for words.

You know, it is sort of amazing that many of the Stundie Award finalists aren't also up for consideration by the Darwin Award committee.

[defaultdotxbe]

You know, it is sort of amazing that many of the Stundie Award finalists aren't also up for consideration by the Darwin Award committee.
its kinda hard to spectacularly kill yourself from your parent basement

[jsfisher]

its kinda hard to spectacularly kill yourself from your parent basement

Don't sell them short. When tying your shoes is a challenge -- and I mean those kind with velcro -- then fantastic things are possible.

[JonnyFive]

Don't sell them short. When tying your shoes is a challenge -- and I mean those kind with velcro -- then fantastic things are possible.

Those shoes may not have a "warning: for external use only" sticker on them now, but they sure will soon!

[Slayhamlet]

Does anyone else lol-til-you-rofl at the idea of a 'Stundie-farm'?

That's pretty much what LCF is, isn't it?