Osama's invitation to Islam (celebrity edition)

[Abdul Alhazred]

I want to keep this separate from the more general threads on Osama's latest communique, to focus on one aspect of it -- the closing invitation to Islam.

It is the one point on which it is possible to be certain he is sincere and not just posturing or otherwise saying what he expects will exacerbate divisions among his enemies.

Will there be a number of unexpected celebrity conversions, do you suppose?

[boloboffin]

I disagree that it's where he's most sincere. I think this is what Paul would have called heaping coals of fire on your enemies' heads.

His target audience is not the West, I would maintain, but an Islamic audience. He's issuing the gospel call to the mourner's bench as a purity ritual for himself. He's offered the way of salvation to us piously and now our blood is on our own hands.

The sick freak.

[TuftedPuffin]

Yeah, it's really odd that Osama's knowledge of US politics and sociology seems about as deep as Fox News'.

[Cello Man]

I remember a lot of peoples' reaction to seeing bin Laden's face all over the TV after 9/11. I kept hearing remarks like, "I can't believe he's a terrorist. Look at his face, his eyes...he just looks so calm and kind".

That's because he has a clear conscience. He really believes that what he is doing is the perfectly just and right thing to do.

So, regarding OBL's call for the West to convert to Islam: Who knows. Maybe he really is delusional enough to believe it could happen.

[JoeEllison]

I disagree that it's where he's most sincere. I think this is what Paul would have called heaping coals of fire on your enemies' heads.

His target audience is not the West, I would maintain, but an Islamic audience. He's issuing the gospel call to the mourner's bench as a purity ritual for himself. He's offered the way of salvation to us piously and now our blood is on our own hands.

The sick freak.
The "fun" part is that the "sick freaks" over here will seriously think he's talking to us, instead of to his own people. Then, they will issue their own "sick" pronouncements.

Here's a place where we can point out how we're doomed to fail in any idiotic "war on terror": our leaders don't seem to have the first clue about what terrorism and terrorists are all about, so they play into the terrorists' hands every single time.

[Pardalis]

And what are terrorists about exactly?

[JoeEllison]

And what are terrorists about exactly?

This bunch of terrorists is apparently all about their BFF George W. Bush, and their shared goals and dreams.

[Pardalis]

Oh, OK, so you don't know what terrorists are all about.

[JoeEllison]

Oh, OK, so you don't know what terrorists are all about.

Well, let's see... do you think that they plan to destroy America, because they hate our freedoms? Do you think that Saddam Hussein was a big OBL supporter?

Or, are you living in the real world, where OBL shares Bush's goal of attacking Iran?

[Pardalis]

Well, let's see... do you think that they plan to destroy America, because they hate our freedoms? Do you think that Saddam Hussein was a big OBL supporter?

Or, are you living in the real world, where OBL shares Bush's goal of attacking Iran?

Please rephrase that question into an intelligent enquiry.

[Abdul Alhazred]

"Terrorists" in general?

Or Osama's outfit?

First things first. About getting the world's most uppity infidels to back down a bit. Then we can worry about the rest of the program.

If you're sick of war already (and who isn't), just stop being infidels and everything will be all right.

Right?

[Abdul Alhazred]

All we need are a few celebrity conversions to get things rolling ...

Call the New York Post ...

[Fnord]

"Will there be a number of unexpected celebrity conversions, do you suppose?"Not unless those celebrities are willing to see their careers end, or they are desperate for publicity.

اود ان يموت بدلا من العيش في ظل الحر الاسلام.
Better to die free than live under Islam.

[Pardalis]

Michael Jackson has converted to Islam, but his career has died a long time ago.

http://famousmuslims.muslimonline.org/michael-jackson.html

[Fnord]

Michael Jackson has converted to Islam, but his career has died a long time ago.

Knowing that the King of Plop is now a Moslem tells me two things:

1) Islam is desperate for new members.
2) There is no depth so low that Michael Jackson won't sink to it.

[Madalch]

Knowing that the King of Plop is now a Moslem tells me two things:

1) Islam is desperate for new members.
2) There is no depth so low that Michael Jackson won't sink to it.

I remember a comedy sketch where the JWs knock on Micheal Jackson's door and politely ask him to go join some other religion.

[Abdul Alhazred]

I heard on the radio this morning (WLS-AM Chicago) that Britney's comeback performance in Las Vegas was not well received.



Ya Allah! :cool:

[Damien Evans]

And what are terrorists about exactly?

good question. I can give you the Lenin definition, but other than that I don't really know all that much about them

[sinclairmcevoy]

I heard on the radio this morning (WLS-AM Chicago) that Britney's comeback performance in Las Vegas was not well received.



Ya Allah! :cool:Bombed BIG time. Lip syncing out of sync, people laughing in the audience, Allah didn't smile on her, just at her.

[Fnord]

This needs to be said...

Britney who?

(Yeah, I know who she is ... or was ... but this topic needed someone to point out the obvious, and that is that Ms. Spears is a washed-up, wrung-out has-been.)

[juniper_ann]

I want to keep this separate from the more general threads on Osama's latest communique, to focus on one aspect of it -- the closing invitation to Islam.

I haven't had the stomach to watch the tape, but I heard about this on NPR and savored the nauseating irony of this "invitation" coming from the man who probably has single-handedly done more to prevent conversions to Islam in America than any other person in the history of the world.

[dudalb]

Bombed BIG time. Lip syncing out of sync, people laughing in the audience, Allah didn't smile on her, just at her.

Not quite as bad as Ashley Simpson's Saturday Night Live appreance,but right up there in embarassing fiascos.
Only interesting thing in that trainwreck of a show was Shia Laboeuf leaking the name of the New Indy Jones Film.

[Abdul Alhazred]

I haven't had the stomach to watch the tape, but I heard about this on NPR and savored the nauseating irony of this "invitation" coming from the man who probably has single-handedly done more to prevent conversions to Islam in America than any other person in the history of the world.

Presupposes that conversion must always be a rational process based on self-interest.

[Jeff Corey]

Presupposes that conversion must always be a rational process based on self-interest.
Would you agree that many such conversions are often motivated by the incentive of an afterlife with 72 virgins and a goat?

[Abdul Alhazred]

Would you agree that many such conversions are often motivated by the incentive of an afterlife with 72 virgins and a goat?

In the west, I'd say nil.

The appeal is the disciplined lifestyle, and depending on perception of the war, admiration for a winner (as being on God's side) and toughness generally.

Also probably some amount of rebelliousness against existing authority, without rejecting the idea of submission to authority.

[Oliver]

This is a list I found about famous Muslims - but is it
really true that Prince Charles converted to Islam (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22prince+charles%22+islam+converted&btnG=Search)?
Can't believe it...

* Michael Jackson - the "King of Pop," one of the century's most popular entertainers, recently converted to Islam between 2004-2006.
* Malcolm X - early leader of American "Black Muslim"/Nation of Islam movement; later a convert to Sunni Islam
* Cat Stevens - British rock musician; changed name to Yusuf Islam
* John Coltrane - prominent jazz saxophonist and composer
* Art Blakey - American Jazz musician
* Muhammad Ali - boxer
* Mike Tyson - boxer
* Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - basketball player
* Maryam Jameelah - Jewish American essayist and poet. Formerly Margaret Marcus.
* Daniel Moore - Anglo-American poet
* Muhammad Marmaduke (William) Pickthall - author and Quran translator
* Michael Wolfe - author, journalist
* Pamela Taylor - science fiction author; Publications Officer of the Islamic Writers Alliance
* Jemima Goldsmith - daughter of British billionaire Sir James, who married Imran Khan. Changed name to Haiqa Khan.
* Tupac Shakur (possibly) - Although unsure, many sources say he died Muslim. His father was Muslim.
* Chamillionaire(Hakeem Seriki) - Muslim. father was Muslim, mother was Christian - Still deciding. Most likely Muslim
* Outlawz - Tupacs group consisting of 4 members all converted to Islam. Napoleon is active in the Muslim community.
* Dave Chappelle - Yes. The funniest man in America is Muslim.
* Talib Kweli- Named by MTV as a future Rap Legend.
* Zinadine Zidane - Yes. The headbutter is a Muslim. Not a practicing Muslim, but Muslim by birth.
* Prince Charles - Yes, a Prince converted to Islam.
* Lupe Fiasco - Current rapper with his own style. Featured with Kanye West and Fort Minor.

Source: http://muslimonline.org/forum/People-In-Pop-Culture-Who-Are-Muslim-Or-Have-Converted-t28.html

[Pardalis]

And soon Oliver from Germany.

[Oliver]

And soon Oliver from Germany.


Dream on. I get a religion once Griffin and the Truthmovement
get the Nobel Peace prize (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=92925)...

[Pardalis]

Good to hear. I stand corrected then.