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[andymonk]

Is this symbol the COMPLETE ancient flower of life? I would appreciate any opinions. :eye-poppi

[Ladewig]

Is this symbol the COMPLETE ancient flower of life? I would appreciate any opinions. :eye-poppi

Your thread is about to be deleted because you are simply trying to drive people to your website (as evidenced by your posting the same question in a variety of other forums). I just wanted to say bye-bye.

[KingMerv00]

I would appreciate any opinions. :eye-poppi

Um...kinda pretty?

[bignickel]

58 pages? Don't you have a life?


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[andymonk]

Your thread is about to be deleted because you are simply trying to drive people to your website (as evidenced by your posting the same question in a variety of other forums). I just wanted to say bye-bye.I dont have a website,so i,m not trying to drive people to it. I,ve set up a blog to try and explain my theory,but i,ve not posted the address here. All i,m trying to do is get the complete flower out to as many people as possible.

[Mercutio]

:notm

[The Atheist]

I dont have a website,so i,m not trying to drive people to it. I,ve set up a blog to try and explain my theory,but i,ve not posted the address here. All i,m trying to do is get the complete flower out to as many people as possible.

Just a quick point as your friendly Grammar Tyrant:

While a comma ( , ) and an apostrophe ( ' ) are exactly the same shape, there are a couple of differences between their uses.

The comma is used in sentences to differentiate between different parts of the sentence, just like that!

The apostrophe is used to signify a contraction - like "can't", for example - and to signify possession. "Harry's hat" is an example. don't use apostrophes with plurals.

Note how commas go on the base line, while apostrohes are are aligned to the top.

Simple concept.

Next week, we'll cover using apostrophes with plural possessives.

[mumchup]

I have a book with page after page of COMPLETE ancient flowers of life in different designs. You color them in for fun.

[andymonk]

:notmI believe the symbol is the complete ancient flower of life. The complete flower of life is an interdimensional tool,a portal,a link back to awareness of the universal consciousness(god,the collective unconscious or whatever you would like to call it). The universal consciousness we were all a part of before we entered this material world. The original fol(found in "the osireon" at abydos in egypt(pic1+4)is incomplete because it is only the first layer of three. The complete flower has the other two layers added,making it three dimensional(first post). If you relax(sit three feet away from the screen)and let the flower slowly draw your eyes out of focus,the flower will open. Try and not focus on any one point,blankly stare,take the flower in as a whole. Do not strain your eyes,it will happen naturally. We do not see with our eyes,we see THROUGH our eyes. Let your mind focus,dont fight it. You may get a headache and itchy eyes,this will quickly disappear. This is not a known science,but if you let it happen,you will be supprised by what appears. 4love and light 2all :) x The complete flower is not a stereogram,a magic eye image or any other man made optical illusion. The complete flower of life contains the tree,the fruit,the egg and the seed of life(pic2). The complete flower also contains the three dimensional metatron cube(pic5),which holds all the platonic solids(pic3). Not just the building blocks of life,but the building blocks of creation itself.

[mumchup]

Well that clears it up.... ;)

[KingMerv00]

I believe the symbol is the complete ancient flower of life. The complete flower of life is an interdimensional tool,a portal,a link back to awareness of the universal consciousness(god,the collective unconscious or whatever you would like to call it). The universal consciousness we were all a part of before we entered this material world. The original fol(found in "the osireon" at abydos in egypt(pic1+4)is incomplete because it is only the first layer of three. The complete flower has the other two layers added,making it three dimensional(first post). If you relax(sit three feet away from the screen)and let the flower slowly draw your eyes out of focus,the flower will open. Try and not focus on any one point,blankly stare,take the flower in as a whole. Do not strain your eyes,it will happen naturally. We do not see with our eyes,we see THROUGH our eyes. Let your mind focus,dont fight it. You may get a headache and itchy eyes,this will quickly disappear. This is not a known science,but if you let it happen,you will be supprised by what appears. 4love and light 2all :) x The complete flower is not a stereogram,a magic eye image or any other man made optical illusion. The complete flower of life contains the tree,the fruit,the egg and the seed of life(pic2). The complete flower also contains the three dimensional metatron cube(pic5),which holds all the platonic solids(pic3). Not just the building blocks of life,but the building blocks of creation itself.

I'm going to put this simply: The words you are using are real words but they don't make any sense when put together.

[Kopji]

If I may ask a passing question of curiosity, not to be confused with actual deep interest... if the source of the universe is a mathematically perfect object, why is beauty characterized as much by imperfection?

More simply - this seems unconvincing.

[Elizabeth I]

I have a book with page after page of COMPLETE ancient flowers of life in different designs. You color them in for fun.

And my little brother used to have a magical device you could use to make your OWN flowers of life! It was called a Spirograph.

[Complexity]

I see the strange attractor is still working.

AndyMonk - You aren't even wrong, and you're certainly not funny.

[Mercutio]

If you relax(sit three feet away from the screen)and let the flower slowly draw your eyes out of focus,the flower will open. Try and not focus on any one point,blankly stare,take the flower in as a whole. Do not strain your eyes,it will happen naturally. We do not see with our eyes,we see THROUGH our eyes. Let your mind focus,dont fight it. You may get a headache and itchy eyes,this will quickly disappear. This is not a known science,but if you let it happen,you will be supprised by what appears.
Actually, experimental psychologists specializing in sensation and perception have been looking at such phenomena for decades. I was a subject in a doctoral project of a friend of mine, using a simpler stimulus but looking at the same perception of depth from the juxtaposition of two-dimensional stimuli.

4love and light 2all :) x The complete flower is not a stereogram,a magic eye image or any other man made optical illusion. The complete flower of life contains the tree,the fruit,the egg and the seed of life(pic2). The complete flower also contains the three dimensional metatron cube(pic5),which holds all the platonic solids(pic3). Not just the building blocks of life,but the building blocks of creation itself.Well, actually it is a sort of magic-eye--the figure, in overlapping two images, does present a slightly different image to each retina, resulting in a stereoscopic image. And it is absolutely a man made illusion--very specific equations are behind the figure you posted.

It is a very cool image, but nothing more than that.

[Hokulele]

And if you suffer from astigmatism and look at the image with uncorrected vision, it just looks like a mess.

[c4ts]

1 DAY 1 GOD causes EVIL
People, designed enslavement.
Cubic Wisdom denys God.
Cubic Truth is ineffable.
Cubic Life has 4 stages.
Cubic Time has 4 Days.
Cubic Space has 4 corners.
Cubic Earth has 4 quads

KNOW THIS OR HELL.
Education and Religion
severely diminishes your
intelligence and mentality,
instituting ONEness Evil,
You are educated stupid -
and you have no inkling to
just how EVIL you think.

[Ladewig]

I dont have a website,so i,m not trying to drive people to it. I,ve set up a blog to try and explain my theory,but i,ve not posted the address here. All i,m trying to do is get the complete flower out to as many people as possible.

You don't have a website, but you have a blog. Is there any distinction worth making here? Nevermind. More importantly, you ask if that is the COMPLETE [sic] flower of life. I suppose the posters here would be better able to answer the question if we knew exactly what a flower of life is.


From your blog:
The original unfinished "flower of life" can be found on several pillars within "The Osireon"(The tomb of Osiris) at Abydos in Egypt.World secret societies have made sure ,we either ignore the flower or have our attention drawn to other ancient sites.They have taken great care in keeping the significance of the flower hidden.If you contemplate the symbol it will open a part of the mind which has been lost(hidden)to modern man.

I suppose that if you could show that secret societies were trying to keep the significance hidden then that might imply that it is the complete version. Do you have any useful evidence of that? Demonstrating the power of the F.O.L. would go a very long way to convincing me that your version is either completely complete or very close to complete. So what happens when this lost part of the mind is opened?

[fuelair]

I dont have a website,so i,m not trying to drive people to it. I,ve set up a blog to try and explain my theory,but i,ve not posted the address here. All i,m trying to do is get the complete flower out to as many people as possible.
That is a form of spamming for most of us - and, unless some ancient person who drew/inscribed it left a sticky note or other explanation, you are just passing wind .

[Mojo]

I dont have a website,so i,m not trying to drive people to it.


Just out of interest, is the website you don't have the one that you linked to from post #4 of this thread (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=931)?

[vexed]

I believe the symbol is the complete ancient flower of life. The complete flower of life is an interdimensional tool

I stopped reading at the bolded words.

[GT/CS]

I'm a slow learner, I made it to, "a portal".

[Civilized Worm]

It's a pretty pattern, isn't that enough?

[The Atheist]

I'm going to put this simply: The words you are using are real words but they don't make any sense when put together.
Word salad. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad)

It's a pretty pattern, isn't that enough?

No, there must also be fairies at the bottom of the garden...

...or flower.

[fuelair]

(whispers) Whacko or cultist, put down the thread and back away slowly and close the door on the way out for real! (ends whisper)

[Tricky]

It's a pretty pattern, isn't that enough?
Indeed.

Does anybody remember when they got their first compass in geometry class? (The circle-drawing kind). One of the things I noticed almost immediately was that identical circles that had the circumference of one passing through the center of another created an arc that was one third of the circle. If you created more same-size circles using the intersection of the first two circles, you generate the six-leaf rosette pattern. Way cool. Of course, soon I was filling the paper with interconnected series of rosettes. Gradually, they got more elaborate, with little rosettes filling the spaces. I was limited, of course, by the size of the paper.

So it is quite obvious that the pattern in the OP is a depiction of when God got his first compass. It is not the COMPLETE ancient flower of life though, because God never runs out of paper.

[Zep]

I'll be in Egypt in a few month's time. Would you like me to check that it really IS at Abydos, as you claim?

[triadboy]

Does anybody remember when they got their first compass in geometry class? (The circle-drawing kind)

I had a Spyrograph!

[vIQleS]

Just a quick point as your friendly Grammar Tyrant:



Thank you the atheist... :book:


Simple concept.

Next week, we'll cover using apostrophes with plural possessives.

Are you really sure you want to try that?
:deadhorse
:bwall

[andymonk]

Just a quick point as your friendly Grammar Tyrant:

While a comma ( , ) and an apostrophe ( ' ) are exactly the same shape, there are a couple of differences between their uses.

The comma is used in sentences to differentiate between different parts of the sentence, just like that!

The apostrophe is used to signify a contraction - like "can't", for example - and to signify possession. "Harry's hat" is an example. don't use apostrophes with plurals.

Note how commas go on the base line, while apostrohes are are aligned to the top.

Simple concept.

Next week, we'll cover using apostrophes with plural possessives.Thanks. I wish i had stuck in at school.:o

[andymonk]

I'll be in Egypt in a few month's time. Would you like me to check that it really IS at Abydos, as you claim?These may be of interest.... http://www.users.bigpond.com/MSN/gary_fletcher/osireion.html http://www.grahamhancock.com/library/fotg/c45-5.htm

[jond]

Is this symbol the COMPLETE ancient flower of life? I would appreciate any opinions. :eye-poppi

Looks like you stole it from the cult leader Drunvalo who, as I understand it, stole it from Stan Tennen via Dan Winter, who last I heard will be arrested on fraud charges should he re-enter the US. Or something to that effect. Anyway, D. no longer teaches the FOL seminars, probably having something to do with the ensuing lawsuits. But his name is still pretty tied up with this carp.

[joobz]

I believe the symbol is the complete ancient flower of life.
Why do you believe this?
The complete flower of life is an interdimensional tool,a portal,a link back to awareness of the universal consciousness(god,the collective unconscious or whatever you would like to call it).
How would you know this?

The universal consciousness we were all a part of before we entered this material world.
how would you know this?
The original fol(found in "the osireon" at abydos in egypt(pic1+4)is incomplete because it is only the first layer of three.
what's a fol?
How do you know that this is the frist layer?
How do you know that there are three layers?
What do you mean by layers?


The complete flower has the other two layers added,making it three dimensional(first post).
why do you equate layers with dimensions?

If you relax(sit three feet away from the screen)and let the flower slowly draw your eyes out of focus,the flower will open. Try and not focus on any one point,blankly stare,take the flower in as a whole. Do not strain your eyes,it will happen naturally. We do not see with our eyes,we see THROUGH our eyes.
Why do you think this means an opening of the flower?
How is it a flower?

Why is it not the acorn or life?
or the eggplant of life?
or the onion of life?
or the Macaroni picture of life?

This is not a known science,but if you let it happen,you will be supprised by what appears.
yes it is.
4love and light 2all :) x The complete flower is not a stereogram,a magic eye image or any other man made optical illusion.
Please provide evidence why you think this isn't an optical illusion.

The complete flower of life contains the tree,the fruit,the egg and the seed of life(pic2).
What does the tree of life mean?
what does the fruit of life mean?
what does the egg of life mean?
what does the seed of life mean?
Why is there an egg reference with all the plant metaphors?

The complete flower also contains the three dimensional metatron cube(pic5),which holds all the platonic solids(pic3).
What does this mean? Why do we care?

Not just the building blocks of life,but the building blocks of creation itself.
What are creation blocks?
why did we stop using the flower/tree metaphor and moved to legos?

[l0rca]

You people need to stop watching Hollywood cinema. It's got you crazy in panties! Trying to "figure out" some magical hidden secret by looking at the most inane details and confabulating the most fabulous flim-flammity foo foo! Why I'd do a better job looking for meaning in a urine-soaked log of fire wood.

Ohhh, wooo! I think the number 1337 has meeeeaaaannninnnnng!

(Crazy panties!)

[Georg]

The apostrophe is used to signify a contraction - like "can't", for example - and to signify possession. "Harry's hat" is an example. don't use apostrophes with plurals.



Isn´t there a rule that new sentences like this one

don't use apostrophes with plurals.

should begin with a capital letter?

Tyrants.........

[andymonk]

This may be of interest. I believe,the symbol on this knights templar tombstone(pic1),found within the st magnus cathedral in kirkwall,orkney,scotland(pic2),is a representation of the egg of life(sacred geometry,pic3),which is found within the first layer of the complete flower of life(pic4).:) x Any opinions?

[sackett]

In grade school, we were taught how to scribe simple radially-symmetrical forms using compass and straightedge. That "flower of life" looks like one of the patterns we learned to make. It's quite easy, and makes a nice decoration; you don't even need a straightedge. Any stone-carver could lay one out to fit a given space, and render in low relief with ease.

Just my opinion. Man, it's boring this afternoon.

[Miss Anthrope]

Off topic posts and deliberate derails split to AAH. Remember rule 11.

[six7s]

And if you suffer from astigmatism and look at the image with uncorrected vision, it just looks like a mess.

Sorry H...

Dear Dr. Laura,


Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight

I have to admit that I wear reading glasses

Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?


... I think you're screwed all round :(

But maybe staring intently at the following optical illusions might serve to distract you enough to ignore your impending doom of spending eternity in the big imu (or umu as we say in the south west)


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1760246eb0e0d0d5bc.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=8328)

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1760246eb10650c707.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=8329)

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1760246eb1076dcdba.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=8330)

[andymonk]

Is it more than a coincidence that the vortex lattice mirrors the complete flower of life? http://jilawww.colorado.edu/research/modelsystems.html

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Thanks. I wish i had stuck in at school.
It is never too late.

~~ Paul

[Loss Leader]

The original fol(found in "the osireon" at abydos in egypt(pic1+4)is incomplete because it is only the first layer of three.


The words you're saying sure make it sound like I've found another Stargate fan, but I don't remember any episode that had a flower of life in it? Was it one of the inventions Thor's race left to protect a human world from the Goa'uld? Was it a clue Myrden left to help Daniel find the ascended being weapon?

Just tell me what season it's from and I'll take it from there.



And if you suffer from astigmatism and look at the image with uncorrected vision, it just looks like a mess.


No wonder I could never see those things. I've been feeling bad about myself for a decade.

[andymonk]

The words you're saying sure make it sound like I've found another Stargate fan, but I don't remember any episode that had a flower of life in it? Was it one of the inventions Thor's race left to protect a human world from the Goa'uld? Was it a clue Myrden left to help Daniel find the ascended being weapon?

Just tell me what season it's from and I'll take it from there.






No wonder I could never see those things. I've been feeling bad about myself for a decade.I have no interest in the stargate. The complete ancient flower of life is the template. http://news.softpedia.com/news/New-Form-of-Matter-Discovered-Part-Laser-Part-Superconductor-55150.shtml

[Taffer]

I have no interest in the stargate. The complete ancient flower of life is the template. http://news.softpedia.com/news/New-Form-of-Matter-Discovered-Part-Laser-Part-Superconductor-55150.shtml

And you think that is this "flower of life"?

:rolleyes:

[andymonk]

And you think that is this "flower of life"?

:rolleyes: Yes it is the flower. I also believe the fu dog does not have its paw on a ball. It has its paw on the complete ancient flower of life.:jaw-dropp

[six7s]

I believe the symbol is the complete ancient flower of life. The complete flower of life is an interdimensional tool,a portal,a link back to awareness of the universal consciousness(god,the collective unconscious or whatever you would like to call it)

Why do you believe?

How do you use the tool?

What happens to you during and after the time you use the tool?

[Glen.Nogami]

Yes it is the flower. I also believe the fu dog does not have its paw on a ball. It has its paw on the complete ancient flower of life.:jaw-dropp

:jaw-dropp

I am astounded. You'd better watch out how widely you post this. To spread this knowledge, not intended for the minds of man, shall surely draw the attention of the Knights Templar New World Order Opus Dei Illuminati. If a man knocks on your door with a black helicopter outside, I would advise that you do not answer, and instead continue to spread the truth.

[bruto]

So what does this complete flower of life actually, like... you know... DO?

Even if you are right, why should we care?

[Taffer]

Yes it is the flower. I also believe the fu dog does not have its paw on a ball. It has its paw on the complete ancient flower of life.:jaw-dropp

:dl:

[Gregory]

So, the "complete flower of life" is a pretty pattern?

Sort of anticlimactic, don't you think?

Does it do anything?

Are we supposed to do anything? Is the knowledge of the complete flower of life supposed to affect us in some way? Or is it just a bit of trivia to impress our friends with?

[six7s]

I also believe the fu dog does not have its paw on a ball

I had a quick Google for fu dogs and wikipedia has a concise entry on what are also known as Imperial guardian lions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_guardian_lions) - perhaps because Fu sounds too much like woo, which is what they are - and if you "believe" otherwise, I suspect that your use of the word 'belief' is synonymous with 'a warm fuzzy feeling that endorses my naively ignorant world view'

[Zep]

I thought you were serious about Abydos. I was. I was, but I'm not in the least bit interested now if that is all you have. Children's patterns misconstrued by a simple mind as something mystic.

[Tricky]

Yes it is the flower. I also believe the fu dog does not have its paw on a ball. It has its paw on the complete ancient flower of life.:jaw-dropp
I believe Yao Ming is not signing a basketball. He is signing the ancient Chinese Hyperbolae of Happiness.
http://english.people.com.cn/200509/05/images/0904_D76.jpg

[andymonk]

Why do you believe?

How do you use the tool?

What happens to you during and after the time you use the tool?Follow the steps and the flower will open. I should not influence you in what you will see.:)

[andymonk]

So what does this complete flower of life actually, like... you know... DO?

Even if you are right, why should we care?I`m not asking you to care. Its information,take it or leave it. :)

[lionking]

Andymonk, other people in this forum believe that they have found something profound and important. I mean really believe. Why should we take you more seriously than George the ET Corn God guy or bible code enthusiasts? What do we gain?

[Tricky]

Follow the steps and the flower will open. I should not influence you in what you will see.:)
No it won't. It's an inanimate object. It will not move on its own. You can prove this by attaching position detectors to various locations. However, as optical illusions demonstrate, it is quite easy to fool your brain into thinking it is opening. Brains are easily fooled. Some more easily than others.

[bruto]

I`m not asking you to care. Its information,take it or leave it. :) Baloney. You started a thread about it. You're asking us, if not exactly to care, at least to take interest. So far you've shown us some pictures and to those pictures you've assigned a term, "the complete flower of life." But unless you tell us what you think this signifies the information is worthless and the name nonsensical. It might as well be the "roundish thingamabob of overanalysis." You may not owe any further explanation to us, but perhaps you owe it to yourself not to have wasted your efforts. So, glutton for punishment that I am, I repeat: what is this thing supposed to do, and why should we bother to give it any attention at all? Skip past the woo-woo crap about its being our responsibility to figure it out. What do you think it's for?

[Shrike]

NM

[six7s]

NB this forum is "a place to discuss skepticism, crtical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly and lively way"

Follow the steps and the flower will open

Huh? If that is your answer to my question <QUOTE=me>How do you use the tool?</QUOTE> then note that this forum is not a place where simple and sincere questions can be answered with trite and vacuous responses in an attempt to further promote unsubstantiated woo

Which steps? Do you mean

... relax(sit three feet away from the screen)and let the flower slowly draw your eyes out of focus,the flower will open. Try and not focus on any one point,blankly stare,take the flower in as a whole. Do not strain your eyes,it will happen naturally. ... Let your mind focus,dont fight it

These are NOT 'steps' to using a tool - they are simply a recipe for self-delusion

The complete flower is not a stereogram,a magic eye image or any other man made optical illusion

Says who?

And on what grounds is such a claim made?

This is not a known science,but if you let it happen,you will be supprised by what appears

Again, says who?

I suggest that you consider your conclusions from observations of the flowers are nothing more than wishful thinking aided by gullibility and ignorance of reality, the latter being the preserve of science - not woo

The complete flower also contains the three dimensional metatron cube(pic5),which holds all the platonic solids(pic3). Not just the building blocks of life,but the building blocks of creation itself.

Extraordinary claims invite extraordinary scrutiny

Your apparent refusal and/or inability to back up your claims suggests that you have done nothing more than identify the hallmark of yet another brand of woo

Thanks for nothing

I should not influence you in what you will see.:)

Trust me: you won't

[andymonk]

Andymonk, other people in this forum believe that they have found something profound and important. I mean really believe. Why should we take you more seriously than George the ET Corn God guy or bible code enthusiasts? What do we gain?I would rather you didnt take anything i say,if all your looking for is gain. :(

[ladida]

Well . . . I think think the FOL would look great as a batik on a T-shirt! Can I copy it please?

[six7s]

Andymonk, other people in this forum believe that they have found something profound and important. I mean really believe. Why should we take you more seriously than George the ET Corn God guy or bible code enthusiasts? What do we gain?I would rather you didnt take anything i say,if all your looking for is gain. :(

Please resist the temptation to focus on one word as way of evading the issues

This is a skeptics forum

Lionking asked you two valid questions:


Why should we take you more seriously than George the ET Corn God guy or bible code enthusiasts?


What do we gain?


Please either answer them, and all of the other equally serious questions posted above, or explain clearly and concisely why you can't

Otherwise you will be regarded as nothing more than yet another deluded troll

[bruto]

I would rather you didnt take anything i say,if all your looking for is gain. :(So, if you are unable to understand the wide and general sense of the word "gain" as meaning to benefit in some positive way, or otherwise to come out of a process in some way better off than you went in to it, then substitue for "gain" any word you want connoting positive benefit. I presume you do not wish us to think that your thingamabob is harmful or will diminish us in any way, so: what do we stand to {you choose the word} from your thingamabob? Other than that it's kind of nice looking, what else about it has any importance? Can you, in some intelligible way, explain what that importance is?

[lionking]

I would rather you didnt take anything i say,if all your looking for is gain. :(
Hang on, you started this thread and much of what you posted is incomprehensible to me and others. I was asking you to explain yourself. I am hardly likely to "take" what you say without real evidence. To think otherwise is a sign of real aggorance.

[six7s]

To think otherwise...

What evidence is there that andymonk has actually done any thinking?

[lionking]

Hang on, you started this thread and much of what you posted is incomprehensible to me and others. I was asking you to explain yourself. I am hardly likely to "take" what you say without real evidence. To think otherwise is a sign of real aggorance.
Oops, arrogance. And I am a pedant by nature.......

[andymonk]

Well . . . I think think the FOL would look great as a batik on a T-shirt! Can I copy it please?Yes,of course you can copy it. I would be greatful if you could pass it on to as many people as possible. :) x

[bruto]

Oops, arrogance. And I am a pedant by nature.......
I thought you were joking. "Aggorance" has potential.

[andymonk]

You may be interested to know,someones taken notice. ;) http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_sage1.htm

[six7s]

You may be interested to know,someones taken notice. ;) http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_sage1.htm

I'd be more interested if you were to answer the simple, straightforward questions that have been asked of you

Incidentally, the site you linked to seems to be little more than pure, unadulterated woo: extraodinary claims asserted without any corroborative evidence

Strange Artifacts
Sacred Geometry:
Flower of Life (http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_sage1.htm)
The "Flower of Life" can be found in all major religions of the world.


Really? Pardon my ignorance, but where does the pattern feature in:

Christianity
Judaism
Islam
Hinduism
Zoroastrianism
Sikhism
Buddhism


It contains the patterns of creation as they emerged from the "Great Void". Everything is made from the Creator's thought.

Says who?

[lightcreatedlife@hom]

So, if you are unable to understand the wide and general sense of the word "gain" as meaning to benefit in some positive way, or otherwise to come out of a process in some way better off than you went in to it, then substitue for "gain" any word you want connoting positive benefit. I presume you do not wish us to think that your thingamabob is harmful or will diminish us in any way, so: what do we stand to {you choose the word} from your thingamabob? Other than that it's kind of nice looking, what else about it has any importance? Can you, in some intelligible way, explain what that importance is?

We are attracted to patterns.
Everything is in fact connected.
Patterns that show everything connected are attractive.
Unfortunately, beyond showing that everything is connected (which is the truth) it does not show how, or why.

[Soapy Sam]

"Is it more than a coincidence that the vortex lattice mirrors the complete flower of life?"-Andymonk

What convinces you coincidence is quantitative?

[sackett]

Oh my poor deluded ones:

See not with your eyes,
But with your soul.

Hear not with your ears,
But with your mind.

Smell not with your nose,
But with your spirit.

Taste not with your tongue,
But with your essense.

Seek not the oneness of being,
But the being of oneness.












How'm I doing, Andy? Be honest now.

[OnlyTellsTruths]

The odds of me passing up a chance to post M. C. Escher links? Zero.

Official Site - http://www.mcescher.com/
Links - http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/escher_mc.html
Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._C._Escher
A must see/read - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_(M._C._Escher)

[mumchup]

So THAT explains it. M.C. Escher was drawing the ancient sacred flower of life! That explains why I accumulated so much of his art back when I was tripping and attending Grateful Dead shows. It's magical when they play Sugar Magnolia.

[OnlyTellsTruths]

Most people can like Escher without being on drugs. I'm not sure the same can be said about the Dead!

[wahrheit]

You've got to be kidding:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Unknown+ancient(sacred)geometry%22+and ymonk

This is a Google search on this thread's subject line (with quotation marks to narrow the results) AND the term "andymonk".

Nice spamming, andymonk.

[andymonk]

You've got to be kidding:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Unknown+ancient(sacred)geometry%22+and ymonk

This is a Google search on this thread's subject line (with quotation marks to narrow the results) AND the term "andymonk".

Nice spamming, andymonk.I dont see it as spam,i see it as knowledge that should be shared,for the benefit of all. I give it freely and unconditionaly with love. :)

[Loss Leader]

I dont see it as spam,i see it as knowledge that should be shared,for the benefit of all. I give it freely and unconditionaly with love. :)


I'm sure the people at Hormel also send out their Spam with love as well.

[six7s]

I dont see it as spam

Nor do I. It's junk mail

i see it as knowledge that should be shared,for the benefit of all
Knowledge? Huh?

What do you know about it and/or because of it?


How can this 'knowledge' be of any significant benefit to anyone other than you?


Be honest

So far, you have imparted neither ANY knowledge nor any worthwhile information

I give it freely and unconditionaly with love. :)

TANSTAAFL

[andymonk]

If you get time,watch this video. I believe Nassim is speaking about the complete flower of life,without realising it. http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-9193360585636707299&q=Nassim+Haramein&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 :)

[biomorph]

Is this symbol the COMPLETE ancient flower of life? I would appreciate any opinions. :eye-poppi

Surely this is a view of the FSM from underneath, I'm sure I can see noodles in the pattern.

[andymonk]

Nor do I. It's junk mail


Knowledge? Huh?

What do you know about it and/or because of it?


How can this 'knowledge' be of any significant benefit to anyone other than you?


Be honest

So far, you have imparted neither ANY knowledge nor any worthwhile information



TANSTAAFL Albert Einstein -"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."

[wahrheit]

People who randomly quote Einstein to make a point suck.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Well ancient things are surely better....before all that unnatural technology stuff. :rolleyes:

[Skeptic Ginger]

Albert Einstein -"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."Did you misread the theme of this forum or are you just looking to miraculously convert critical thinkers as a test of your magical powers?

[biomorph]

Did you misread the theme of this forum or are you just looking to miraculously convert critical thinkers as a test of your magical powers?

Now thats hitting the nail on the head, thank you skeptigirl.

Albert Einstein -"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."



Albert Einstein, I'm sure, not have said that in response to the question "Is this symbol the COMPLETE ancient flower of life?"

And you know it, Andymonk.

[Safe-Keeper]

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=8939&stc=1&d=1193259269
What do soccer balls have to do with flowers of life?

And Gregory, you are not alone in failing to grasp the significance of this. Sure, it's a pretty pattern, and it's amazing how just drawing circles can produce it. But universal consciousness and secret societies? Please. But then again, it's not more crazy than the religions out there.

[six7s]

Albert Einstein -"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."

Great quote

Shame it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to address the questions I asked

Until you do, I will remain of the opinion that the only 'mysterious' facet of this thread is the way you somehow hope that you can post unsubstantiated woo on a sceptics forum without fostering a significant amount of cynicism and resentment

Please, rather than posting links to even more woo, answer my quetions:
Knowledge? Huh?

What do you know about it and/or because of it?

How can this 'knowledge' be of any significant benefit to anyone other than you?


People who randomly quote Einstein to make a point suck.

Indeed

Hang on... Does that imply that those who post targeted quotes from Bertrand Russell blow? Oh well... sue me! ;)

If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinise it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it.

If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence.

The origin of myths is explained in this way.

[Safe-Keeper]

Yes it is the flower. I also believe the fu dog does not have its paw on a ball. It has its paw on the complete ancient flower of life. So? The swastika is featured prominently in various religions, too, from Norway to China. And if you stare at it for long enough and then stare at a white wall, you'll see it imprinted on the wall. Does that mean that it, too, is a view of the cosmos just as it was created? Or a complete/perfect flower? Or that it's covered up by secret organizations?

ETA: Ok, so to sum up, you've got a pretty symbol that you can do some sort of optical illusion with, and you state that:

The flower litterally changes in shape when viewed in a certain way - that it 'opens' is not an optical illusion.
That there are secret societies working very hard to cover the symbol up.
That the symbol is a view of the cosmos when it was created.
That the knowledge of the above points can somehow benefit us.I will now speak the dreaded curse of Woobane, destroyer of fundie and woo nations, eraser of cults. Children cover your eyes, uninitiated acolytes leave the room, arch-druids stand by to perform healing ceremony:jaw-dropp.

Prove it.

You may uncover your ears. Arch-Droids, patch together andymonk.

I`m not asking you to care. Its information,take it or leave it. 'I'm just throwing info around'. DOC, is that you:confused:? ETA: To clarify, I don't think it is. I'm just saying. It'd explain a lot.

[GeeMack]

I think maybe andymonk bet a pal that he could be the longest lasting, slowest posting troll ever to hit the Internet. He's pulled this same flower of life crap on at least one other forum. One... meaningless... drawn out... post... at... a... time. So far so good, andymonk. Hope you're winning your bet.

[Safe-Keeper]

Albert Einstein -"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."Using quotes as arguments? Shouldn't you be in the Conspiracy Theories forum with the other twoofers?

ETA:I think maybe andymonk bet a pal that he could be the longest lasting, slowest posting troll ever to hit the Internet.I don't think he's a troll, just religious. He's made himself a belief that makes him feel good, without any evidence at all, and expresses shock and contempt when faced with the fact that the rest of the world does not think his beliefs are as amazing as he finds them. It's just that andymonk is not part of a religion with millions or billions of followers, so we're not used to his beliefs and as such find them quite bizarre.

[six7s]

He's pulled this same flower of life crap on at least one other forum

A few more than one:

Thanks to some wahrheit google-fu:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Unknown+ancient(sacred)geometry%22+and ymonk

This is a Google search on this thread's subject line (with quotation marks to narrow the results) AND the term "andymonk"

It looks like he's well on his way towards spamming hell:

Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Unknown+ancient(sacred)geometry%22+and ymonk): Results 1 - 10 of about 656 for "Unknown ancient(sacred)geometry" andymonk. (0.31 seconds)

[Safe-Keeper]

I opened a pair, and it looks like they're all duplicates of this one. Here's an example (http://www.japantoday.com/forum/tm.asp?m=944055).

I hate being this mean, but it's as if our friend the monk is a computer program following a script. I actually caught myself wondering if he could be a bot, with his incoherent and random posts.

AM: Is this the flower of life?
Poster1: Er, what?
AM: Someone's taken notice!
Poster2: What's the significance of this?
AM: If you look into it, it opens!
Poster1: So?
AM: It's found all over the world in ancient cultures!
Poster1: That didn't answer my question...?
AM: I believe it's the universe being born!

Etc., etc., etc.

It looks like he's well on his way towards spamming hell:I shouldn't really be shocked. This is nothing compared to monks and nuns of various faiths taking up oaths of celibacy and locking themselves into boring old monasteries for the rest of their lives for their beliefs. Not to mention the fakirs who sit on street corners with their arms in the air for 40 years on end. Religion is a funny thing.

[andymonk]

If you get time,watch this video. I believe Nassim is speaking about the complete flower of life,without realising it. http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-9193360585636707299&q=Nassim+Haramein&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 :) For whatever reason,google have pulled Nassim`s new video. You can get the older version here. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4907540922643918266&q=nassim&total=651&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[six7s]

@andymonk: You profess to be aware of patterns. I wonder if you can detect one developing here

Please, rather than posting links to even more woo, answer my questions:


Knowledge? Huh?


What do you know about it and/or because of it?


How can this 'knowledge' be of any significant benefit to anyone other than you?

[andymonk]

I believe i have discovered the earths grid,which is based on the complete flower of life. If you look at the attached image,you will see a map of the island of sandy,which is a part of the orkney islands. I believe this island is one of the starting points of the worlds grid. As you can see at the NE of the island,there just happens to be a light house positioned on a place called start point. If you would like to draw the grid? First you will require an ordnance survey map(scale 1;25000). Second...... draw a circle with a radius of 2.575miles(5000megalithic yards). Thirdly.....position this circle so the arc runs from start point along scuthvie bay to tofts ness. 4....where the arc cuts through start point,place the point of the compass and draw another circle,creating a vesica piscis. 5.... continue to draw the flower of life. The flower will spiral out,running through all ancient sites,standing stone,cathedrals,churches etc. You will see as you go along,all ancient sites lie at the centre of six points. I look forward to your feedback.:)x http://homepages.compuserve.de/WFKSchlick/OrkneyundShetland/Orkney/miniSANDY.jpg

[GeeMack]

I look forward to your feedback.


But you don't have the decency to actually participate in a discussion about your whacko conjecture. Okay.

[karmicserenade]

Sorry H...



... I think you're screwed all round :(

But maybe staring intently at the following optical illusions might serve to distract you enough to ignore your impending doom of spending eternity in the big imu (or umu as we say in the south west)


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1760246eb0e0d0d5bc.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=8328)

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1760246eb10650c707.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=8329)

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1760246eb1076dcdba.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=8330)


looks like an acid trip to me ;) I think the whole sacred geometry thing is not really a good topic to bring up in a skeptics forum...it just seems like an atomic bomb waiting to happen....maybe you should post this kind of stuff on a metaphysical forum where it would be oooed and ahhhed...hehe but seriously dude, you are asking for whatever you get!

[six7s]

I believe i have discovered the earths grid,which is based on the complete flower of life. If you look at the attached image

@andymonk: Please understand that until you respond to the simple questions you seem to be conveniently ignoring, I for one see no reason why I should following links that you provide to what is, presumably, yet more unsubstantiated woo
@andymonk: You profess to be aware of patterns. I wonder if you can detect one developing here


Please, rather than posting links to even more woo, answer my questions:


Knowledge? Huh?

What do you know about it and/or because of it?



How can this 'knowledge' be of any significant benefit to anyone other than you?

[bruto]

I haven't tried the grid yet, because the only British ordnance maps I have are of the area around Cwmcarn, Gwent, but I bet andy's grid cuts through all the ancient sites or comes very close to them all. I'm guessing that the sites wont be much further off than 1.2875 miles or so. Wow. Pretty cool.

[andymonk]

I believe the G of freemasonry symbolises the complete flower of life. :) http://www.stonepages.com/forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=363

[Checkmite]

The G of Freemasonry stands for God, and Geometry.

[andymonk]

The G of Freemasonry stands for God, and Geometry. At its highest level the letter G(like all letters and numbers)is a symbol. My father is a freemason and he has told me i am right. :) If you cant see the image.....look here...its been added to this article. http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_sage1.htm

[six7s]

I believe the G of freemasonry symbolises the complete flower of life. :) http://www.stonepages.com/forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=363

@andymonk:
For one who claims an ability to discern obscure patterns, you really do seem to have an uncanny knack for ignoring obvious ones

@andymonk: Please understand that until you respond to the simple questions you seem to be conveniently ignoring, I for one see no reason why I should following links that you provide to what is, presumably, yet more unsubstantiated woo

@andymonk: You profess to be aware of patterns. I wonder if you can detect one developing here


Please, rather than posting links to even more woo, answer my questions:


Knowledge? Huh?
What do you know about it and/or because of it?
How can this 'knowledge' be of any significant benefit to anyone other than you?


At its highest level the letter G(like all letters and numbers)is a symbol. My father is a freemason and he has told me i am right. :) If you cant see the image.....look here...its been added to this article. http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_sage1.htm

Hmmm... I wonder... are you only nine years old?

[andymonk]

The complete flower of life is THEE template. If you overlay the complete flower with a sheet of tracing paper,you will be able to draw out any known alphabet. :)

[bruto]

The complete flower of life is THEE template. If you overlay the complete flower with a sheet of tracing paper,you will be able to draw out any known alphabet. :)
Couldn't you do the same thing with a sheet of graph paper?

[cloudshipsrule]

The complete flower of life is THEE template. If you overlay the complete flower with a sheet of tracing paper,you will be able to draw out any known alphabet.

Andy, after years of wondering what life was all about I stumbled on to this thread. I knew there had to be something more, and that something connected us all in a way that modern science would not understand. I have seen this pattern in my dreams for many years, and it is real.

Can we meet to discuss the importance of this, so that we can show the world what they are missing? Let me know if you would like to meet in person so that we can enlighten those who do not believe the overwhelming evidence you have presented here.

Thank you for opening my eyes and mind to what I have been missing in my life. I can't believe it has been right under our noses like this, and gone unnoticed for so long.

My dreams now make sense.

Andy, can we meet in person, because this is really important?

[cloudshipsrule]

Andy, are you still here? I can wait until tomorrow if we need to wait. I have a feeling I might have another dream about the flower of life tonight. I will try to draw it and write down my dream in the morning, and then we can discuss it when we meet.

[andymonk]

The complete flower of life is THEE template. If you overlay the complete flower with a sheet of tracing paper,you will be able to draw out any known alphabet. :)Please replace draw with trace.:o

[six7s]

Please replace draw with trace.:o

Please desist from posting yet more links to unsubstantiated woo until you have answered sincere and simple questions that were prompted by your initial posting of what (so far) appears to be completely unsubstantiated woo

[cloudshipsrule]

Andy, why no reply? Can I PM you concerning our meeting?

I've started painting complete flowers of life tonight, and they are turning out beautiful. I'm really excited that my prayers have been answered by this thread.

[andymonk]

The complete flower of life is what the square and compass of freemasonry really sybolize. :)

[bruto]

The complete flower of life is what the square and compass of freemasonry really sybolize. :)By golly gee whiz. As soon as you draw it in, you can see it. Why didn't I think of that?

[andymonk]

By golly gee whiz. As soon as you draw it in, you can see it. Why didn't I think of that?I highlighted the square and compass because it is the most well known symbol of freemasonry. If you look carefully,you will see that all freemasonry`s sacred symbols can be found within the complete flower of life.:)

[six7s]

If you look carefully,you will see that all freemasonry`s sacred symbols can be found within the complete flower of life.:)

What shapes (letters, numbers, symbols, logos, etc) can NOT be "found within the complete flower of life"?

[andymonk]

What shapes (letters, numbers, symbols, logos, etc) can NOT be "found within the complete flower of life"?It looks like youve finally realized,the complete flower of life is THEE template.:)

[six7s]

It looks like youve finally realized,the complete flower of life is THEE template.:)

Nope... your flower is no more a template than Spirograph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirograph) is

However, I have learned that you do NOT have me on ignore...

So... by your continued refusal to address my questions, I gather that you are
either:
incredibly rude
or
a pathetic, lonely, ignoramaus using woo to gain attention

Please go ahead and prove me wrong, simply by answering my questions

[bruto]

It looks like youve finally realized,the complete flower of life is THEE template.:)

If you state that, then you have just shown that the particular figure you have identified in the template is meaningless. You can't have it both ways. If the template contains everything, then no specific thing is either surprising or significant.

[Mister Earl]

Andy, you're going to see whatever it is you want to. I get the impression, via your intentional dodging of questions, that nothing said to you will get you to look at this any different. Since this is probably the case, what objective are you aiming for in making a post like this here? We're skeptics. We demand evidence and double blind tests. We want documentation, not random quotes and links. What is it you think you can get here?

[andymonk]

Someone else thinks my theories are worthwhile. :p http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/sacred_geometry.htm

[Tricky]

Someone else thinks my theories are worthwhile. :p http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/sacred_geometry.htm
Someone else? Who would that be? That appears to be your website. Do you think repetition makes something true?

[bruto]

Someone else thinks my theories are worthwhile. :p http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/sacred_geometry.htmWhat an amazing coincidence!

[six7s]

Someone else thinks my theories are worthwhile. :p http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/sacred_geometry.htm

How bizarre!

Hmmm... I can see a pattern developing here...


:p

[Nogbad]

How bizarre!

Hmmm... I can see a pattern developing here...


:p

Oh NO! :eek: I still can't get the first one to work - bloody astigmatism!

sodding architects of the universe - astigmatism racists more like.

[andymonk]

Is it a coincidence that the geometry of these snowflakes match the template? :p http://www.maybelogic.org/maybequarterly/13/1306FlowerOfLife.htm

[GeeMack]

Is it a coincidence that the geometry of these snowflakes match the template?


Yes.

[bruto]

Is it a coincidence that the geometry of these snowflakes match the template? :p http://www.maybelogic.org/maybequarterly/13/1306FlowerOfLife.htmOf course it's not a coincidence, since you've already acknowledged that absolutely anything can be fit into the template, so why not snowflakes? A template with sufficient density can be made to fit any figure you decide to impose on it, if you allow a little margin for error, and ignore scale. But if anything at all can be fit into the template it means that nothing at all is significant for fitting.

edited to add, if you were responding to my "what a coincidence" post above, I was not referring to anything fitting anything else, but to the amazing coincidence that a site you cite as agreeing with you should turn out to be your own. Now that is a real coincidence, eh?

[andymonk]

Of course it's not a coincidence, since you've already acknowledged that absolutely anything can be fit into the template, so why not snowflakes? A template with sufficient density can be made to fit any figure you decide to impose on it, if you allow a little margin for error, and ignore scale. But if anything at all can be fit into the template it means that nothing at all is significant for fitting.

edited to add, if you were responding to my "what a coincidence" post above, I was not referring to anything fitting anything else, but to the amazing coincidence that a site you cite as agreeing with you should turn out to be your own. Now that is a real coincidence, eh?I dont have a site. The owner of the gnostic liberation site asked me if he could put up my article.:p

[Hokulele]

Is it a coincidence that an octopus does not fit your pattern?

[bruto]

Is it a coincidence that an octopus does not fit your pattern?It depends on how badly you draw it. I bet we could squeeze one in somehow.

[Hokulele]

It depends on how badly you draw it. I bet we could squeeze one in somehow.


Heh, where is Jiri when we need him? ;)

[six7s]

Is it a coincidence that an octopus does not fit your pattern?

Dunno about an octopus... but this hexapod seems to fit quite well


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/176024771ca06b9701.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=9897)
Hail Eris! The Florist of Life!

[six7s]

Ditto this septagram

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/176024771cddd066bb.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=9898)
Septagram of Life

[Hokulele]

Someone cancel six7s' Photoshop license before he/she causes a fatal singularity in the cosmos.

[six7s]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_176024771dcf708738.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=9900)
Wot? Me Worry?

[Nogbad]

Dunno about an octopus... but this hexapod seems to fit quite well


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/176024771ca06b9701.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=9897)
Hail Eris! The Florist of Life!

Ok I can see that one - it works for me, I'm in :D

[andymonk]

More coincidences? ;) :p http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/0904/0904_feature.html http://www.kiwipulse.com/ireland-giants-causeway/ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070328-saturn-hexagon.html

[six7s]

Easy spam triangles

1 can SPAM Luncheon Meat, cut into small cubes
¾ cup Shredded gouda cheese
½ cup Peeled, diced apple
2 tbsp Onion sour cream dip
1 pack Refrigerated pie crusts
1 Egg white, beaten
Vegetable cooking spray
¼ tsp Poppy seeds

Procedure:
Heat oven to 425°F
In bowl, combine spam, cheese, apple, and dip
Cut one pie crust sheet into 8 wedges
Place ¼ cup spam mixture in center of each wedge, spreading to within ½" of each edge
Moisten edges of pastry with egg white
Cut remaining pie crust sheet into 8 wedges
Place over filling
Press edges of filled pastry firmly together using fork
Place on baking sheet coated with cooking spray
Brush with remaining egg white and sprinkle with poppy seeds
Bake 15-20 minutes or until lightly browned.

[TX50]

The folds for making an origami reptiloid creature are all contained in the
flower of life thingy! The truth is finally out! :eek: I for one welcome our
reptiloid masters.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/whisky01/rep.jpg

[andymonk]

More and more are getting on board,even freemasons. ;) :p http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/sacred_geometry_the_flower_of_life.htm http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/geometria_sagrada/esp_geometria_sagrada_6.htm http://www.maybelogic.org/maybequarterly/13/1306FlowerOfLife.htm

[six7s]

More and more are getting on board,even freemasons

Maybe they'll like this high-irony dish:

Blarney Stone Cottage Pie

6 potatoes, peeled, and diced
1¼ cup milk
1 c. shredded cheddar
1 t. paprika
½ c Parmesan cheese
1 c cheddar cheese

½ c green peas
¼ c fresh parsley
¾ c beef stock
½ tsp salt
½ tsp black pepper
2 tbsp Worcestershire sauce
1 tbsp cornstarch
2 tbsp cold water
500g lean ground sirloin
1 large onion, finely chopped
3 garlic cloves, minced
1 large green capsicum, diced
3 medium carrots, diced
1 medium tomato, diced

Boil potatoes until tender

Smash together with milk and cheddar cheese until smooth,
season with salt and pepper ; keep warm

Preheat oven to 350°F

Heat a heavy, nonstick 10 ~ 12" skillet, inches in diameter,
over medium-high heat

Add ground beef and sauté, stirring occasionally until meat is
no longer pink (4 to 5 minutes)

Pour contents of pan into a bowl and set aside

Add the onion, garlic and capsicum and cook until the veggies
are limp (4 to 5 minutes)

Add drained meat, carrots, peas, tomato, parsley, beef stock,
salt, pepper and Worcestershire sauce

Simmer uncovered for 15 minutes

Dissolve cornstarch in water and stir into meat mixture

Spoon into an ungreased 9 x 11 x 2" baking dish

Spread smashed potatoes over the surface, using a fork for texture

Sprinkle the other ½ c. cheddar cheese over top and
sprinkle parmesan and dust with paprika

Bake until lightly browned (30 to 35 minutes)

Serves eleventy

[DrBaltar]

No andymonk, you and the other nuts had your time. Pythagoras started this crap 2600 years ago, saying that there was something divine about geometric shapes. He also said all knowledge should come from thought and NOT from observation and experimentation. He was troubled by the fact that the square root of 2 is not a rational number, so he and his buddies wanted to keep that bit of info secret. It was his philosophy that stopped the advancement of science for almost 2000 years and led to the Dark Ages until Kepler tried and failed to use perfect solids as a model for the solar system. He realized that this line of thought will get you nowhere. Then he scientifically developed theories based on observation at the time when humanity began to wake up again.

Now run back to the Dark Ages and get out of the way of progress.

[andymonk]

You may be interested to know "The general science journal" asked if they could post my article. Look at the bottom of the page.;):p http://www.wbabin.net/wdlink.htm

[Tricky]

You may be interested to know "The general science journal" asked if they could post my article. Look at the bottom of the page.;):p http://www.wbabin.net/wdlink.htm
You do realize that that link is a collection of links to mostly woo-woo sites, right? And even then, you are thrust into "philosophy and metaphysics" which means even the woo-woos don't think it is science.

Not looking good for you, Monkman.

[Sunstealer]

Is it a coincidence that the geometry of these snowflakes match the template? :p http://www.maybelogic.org/maybequarterly/13/1306FlowerOfLife.htmNope not in the slightest, any shape will fit somewhere in your "template". I take the poke tongue out smiley as an indication that you know this too. I had to study dendritic growth as an metallurgy undergraduate. Even these ones will be asymmetrical at some scale. (Scaling is quite an interesting topic for crystallography too). I think some one has been cherry picking in order to fit their theories. ;)

People are sometimes convinced that the simple explanation of snowflake symmetry cannot be correct, because snow crystals are too perfect in form. These folks argue that the simple explanation would likely yield less ideal shapes, less perfect six-fold symmetry. Therefore they suspect something else is happening -- perhaps some acoustical or quantum mechanical oscillations are enforcing symmetrical growth.

The flaw in this reasoning is the statement that snow crystals are all extremely symmetrical. You can disprove this for yourself if you simply go outside and take a close look at some falling snow. You will soon realize that the beautifully symmetrical specimens are hard to find! The rather unattractive irregular crystals are by far the most common variety (see the Guide to Snowflakes under the heading of Irregular Crystals for some pictures). Even on the best of days, I search for hours to find just a few beautifully symmetrical specimens. I typically glance over thousands of crystals on my collection board before selecting one to photograph, and the pictures you see in the Galleries are some of the best among over 7000 pictures I've taken.

Alas, the vast majority of snow crystals are not even close to perfectly symmetrical. The simple mechanism does indeed produce much imperfect symmetry, as you would expect. I always select their most symmetrical crystals to display ... after all, not many people are interested in looking at the irregular ones!

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/myths/myths.htm Quite a nice site.

Anyone with an understanding of the structure of water will know why crystals form as 6 sided shapes. Those that don't can use google.

[andymonk]

I showed my father this image today. When he saw it,he nearly fell off his chair. He told me that the pattern in the centre circle is found in the middle of all masonic temple ceilings(Well.......all the masonic temples he has visited in his 40 years as a freemason). Maybe we`re being told something. Does anybody have an opinion on crop circles? :p http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/images/Flower%20of%20lifce%20crop%20circle.jpg

[six7s]

Does anybody have an opinion on crop circles?

Yes! I do!

I contend that, with a truly sceptical approach and scientific testing, it will be possible to conclusively prove, through DNA testing, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that ALL crop circles, every single one of them, throughout history, have been both designed and implemented by genuine humans

[andymonk]

Yes! I do!

I contend that, with a truly sceptical approach and scientific testing, it will be possible to conclusively prove, through DNA testing, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that ALL crop circles, every single one of them, throughout history, have been both designed and implemented by genuine humansI have no doubt that most crop circles are man made but not all. The ones that cant be explained should not be ignored or debunked. :p

[Tricky]

I have no doubt that most crop circles are man made but not all. The ones that cant be explained should not be ignored or debunked. :p
They can all be explained by natural phenomenon. While there may be no evidence that those explanations are correct, the liklihood of them resulting from natural forces far outweighs the liklihood of them resulting from magical or extraterrestrial forces.

Do not fall into the fallacy of saying, "You can't explain it, therefore my supernatural explanation is right."

And do you have any examples of some of those crop circles that can't be explained? What do you want to bet that they have already been debunked?

[GeeMack]

I think maybe andymonk bet a pal that he could be the longest lasting, slowest posting troll ever to hit the Internet. He's pulled this same flower of life crap on at least one other forum. One... meaningless... drawn out... post... at... a... time. So far so good, andymonk. Hope you're winning your bet.


The OPster continues to support this hypothesis.

[andymonk]

They can all be explained by natural phenomenon. While there may be no evidence that those explanations are correct, the liklihood of them resulting from natural forces far outweighs the liklihood of them resulting from magical or extraterrestrial forces.

Do not fall into the fallacy of saying, "You can't explain it, therefore my supernatural explanation is right."

And do you have any examples of some of those crop circles that can't be explained? What do you want to bet that they have already been debunked? Maybe you should look here before you dismiss crop circles outright............. http://www.bltresearch.com/links.html

[arthwollipot]

Please answer the question. Do you have any examples of crop circles that can't be explained?

In fact, with your permission Tricky, I'd like to narrow it down.

Can you present to this thread one crop circle that you believe was not man-made?

[andymonk]

Please answer the question. Do you have any examples of crop circles that can't be explained?

In fact, with your permission Tricky, I'd like to narrow it down.

Can you present to this thread one crop circle that you believe was not man-made? Heres a few...... http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/crop-circle-5.jpg http://www.phils.com.au/crop3.gif http://www.darroch.dircon.co.uk/images/beckhampton_pentagram_formation/Aerial-1.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/gplapp/images/ButterflyCropCircle2.jpg

[Tricky]

Maybe you should look here before you dismiss crop circles outright............. http://www.bltresearch.com/links.html

After looking at those links, I see no evidence that they have produced that the crop circles are of anything but human origin. Some of them show personal incredulity (the stock-and-trade of the paranormal believer) but no actual evidence.

What we have seen is humans who make jaw-dropping geometric designs that would seem impossible to make... if we hadn't watched them being made! One of those links you gave shows exactly how they are made!
http://science.howstuffworks.com/crop-circle5.htm (Really, you need to be a little more careful with what you cite as "evidence". Be sure it is a woo-woo site, or you'll wind up looking not only like a fool, but a fool who can't Google.)

I think those who believe in aliens who like to decorate cornfields or even magical explanations for crop designs (some of those pictures are not even circles), are insulting the incredible ingenuity of humans. One of them is a freaking butterfly! Is it an alien butterfly?

And there is nothing in those pictures you linked to indicate that the circles were not human-made. You will have to do better than this.

[DrBaltar]

Aliens who come hundreds or thousands of light years to make pretty pictures in our crops need to get a life.

[Tricky]

Aliens who come hundreds or thousands of light years to make pretty pictures in our crops need to get a life.
And tell them to stop mutilating our damn cows! A superintelligent alien vandal is still a vandal.

[andymonk]

After looking at those links, I see no evidence that they have produced that the crop circles are of anything but human origin. Some of them show personal incredulity (the stock-and-trade of the paranormal believer) but no actual evidence.

What we have seen is humans who make jaw-dropping geometric designs that would seem impossible to make... if we hadn't watched them being made! One of those links you gave shows exactly how they are made!
http://science.howstuffworks.com/crop-circle5.htm (Really, you need to be a little more careful with what you cite as "evidence". Be sure it is a woo-woo site, or you'll wind up looking not only like a fool, but a fool who can't Google.)

I think those who believe in aliens who like to decorate cornfields or even magical explanations for crop designs (some of those pictures are not even circles), are insulting the incredible ingenuity of humans. One of them is a freaking butterfly! Is it an alien butterfly?

And there is nothing in those pictures you linked to indicate that the circles were not human-made. You will have to do better than this. Where are these jaw dropping man made crop circles you speak of? This is a man made circle from that site...not exactly jaw dropping.... http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/crop_circle_7b.jpg Who mentioned anything about aliens? And there is nothing in those pictures i linked to,to indicate that the circles were man-made. I found this clip....it must be a fake,right!? :jaw-dropp http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=11438048 http://www.cassiopaea.org/images/sflaky.jpg

[arthwollipot]

Heres a few......

Okay, let's just take one of those - the first one, which I believe to be a pretty stunning work of art.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/crop-circle-5.jpg

What is it about this particular circle is it that makes you believe that a human being is not clever enough to make it? Is it the complexity of the image? Humans are clever enough to make images like this (http://www.petersharpe.com/Experimental/complexity.jpg). And this (http://www.jamb.ca/mt/photos/2005/complexity.jpg). What is it about this particular complex shape that betrays its non-human origin?

[Tricky]

Who mentioned anything about aliens? And there is nothing in those pictures i linked to,to indicate that the circles were man-made. I found this clip....it must be a fake,right!? :jaw-dropp http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=11438048
Fake? No, but speeded up. Those are people you see running around the field.

How do you think crop circles are made when they aren't made by humans?

[andymonk]

Okay, let's just take one of those - the first one, which I believe to be a pretty stunning work of art.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/crop-circle-5.jpg

What is it about this particular circle is it that makes you believe that a human being is not clever enough to make it? Is it the complexity of the image? Humans are clever enough to make images like this (http://www.petersharpe.com/Experimental/complexity.jpg). And this (http://www.jamb.ca/mt/photos/2005/complexity.jpg). What is it about this particular complex shape that betrays its non-human origin? Certain people claim that these complex formations are created using planks and rope. If that is the case,why dont they show us how they create them. They cant even show one formation on the scale and complexity of the formations i present. If it took them 5hours in daylight to create this.... http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/crop_circle_7b.jpg .... How long would it take them to create the above formation? Do you really think they could create that in a night,in darkness and without being seen? :rolleyes: As far as the images you show.... what is your point? Are you comparing mans ability to create metalwork and computer graphics to the creation of crop formations?:confused:

[DrBaltar]

Certain people claim that these complex formations are created using planks and rope. If that is the case,why dont they show us how they create them. They cant even show one formation on the scale and complexity of the formations i present. If it took them 5hours in daylight to create this.... http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/crop_circle_7b.jpg .... How long would it take them to create the above formation? Do you really think they could create that in a night,in darkness and without being seen? :rolleyes: As far as the images you show.... what is your point? Are you comparing mans ability to create metalwork and computer graphics to the creation of crop formations?:confused:

I see your point now andymonk. You haven't seen videos of people creating crop circles using planks and rope. You're right, the only logical conclusion is that aliens did it.

[bruto]

Andy, your logical train of thought is incomplete. Perhaps we have not seen people making those crop circles. But we also have not seen aliens making them. It follows that whatever makes them cannot be seen. It must be invisible bigfeet.

[Tricky]

I see your point now andymonk. You haven't seen videos of people creating crop circles using planks and rope. You're right, the only logical conclusion is that aliens did it.
It is well known that aliens love geometry. In fact, it has been proved that M.C. Escher was the product of alien insemination. You want proof? Just look at his paintings. They violate the laws of dimensions! Only aliens can do that with geometry.

[andymonk]

Who mentioned aliens? :rolleyes:

[Ocelot]

How long would it take them to create the above formation? Do you really think they could create that in a night,in darkness and without being seen?

Yes given enough manpower it could eb done in a night. However the design in question appeared over the course of two nights (http://www.swirlednews.com/article.asp?artID=748). in 2004

This formation was the stunner of the year for many. Controversially appearing over two consecutive nights at Silbury Hill, Wiltshire on 2-3 August

If the evidence for non human involvement of these designs is the speed with which they are created then this example taking two nights to produce must suggest it to be of human origin.

[andymonk]

Yes given enough manpower it could eb done in a night. However the design in question appeared over the course of two nights (http://www.swirlednews.com/article.asp?artID=748). in 2004



If the evidence for non human involvement of these designs is the speed with which they are created then this example taking two nights to produce must suggest it to be of human origin. Which part appeared on the first night? :D

[Tricky]

Who mentioned aliens? :rolleyes:
Well, I asked you who (besides humans) you thought made them. You still haven't answered.

[Nogbad]

Well, I asked you who (besides humans) you thought made them. You still haven't answered.

Badgers - they are notorious practical jokers.

[Ocelot]

Which part appeared on the first night? :D

I don't know. Is it relevant?

[andymonk]

I don't know. Is it relevant?Of course its relevant. Who so it appear over these 2nights?

[Tricky]

Of course its relevant. Who so it appear over these 2nights?
The inner parts appeared first. In crop circles, the inner parts always appear first, because otherwise you'd mess up the outer parts stomping over them to get to the inner parts. That video you linked shows this. Notice that the humans in that video never walk over the parts that have already been created?

[andymonk]

I dont know if anyone is aware of Dr Len Horowitz and his work. Len is a well respected author,researcher and runs a non profit organization. He thinks my findings are worthwhile and would like to publish them. Below is a copy of Len`s last email to me. Does anyone have an opinion of Len and his work? Start the email at the bottom. http://www.tetrahedron.org/ .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............................................ "Leonard Horowitz" ******@***.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: The G of freemasonry
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:29:49 -1000
To: "ANDREW MONKMAN"

Start here:

1) Get all you graphics out on the floor of your living room.
2) Organize them historically from the earliest date you got into this research. Put this series of dates and graphic descriptions on paper to create a numbered OUTLINE of where you are going. Next,
2) Put a teddy bear in a chair next to the graphics laid out on the floor.
3) Get a tape recorder and turn it on to record.
4) Explain your story to Mr. Bear about each graphic. Describe how you found it and what it means to your overall thesis: that you have discovered the Flower of Life that holds all the musical-mathematical secrets of the universe. Make sure you include, whenever possible, a full story including "WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHY and HOW" about each graphic. Otherwise, the bear will not be able to get the full picture.
5) You should now have hours of tape.
6) Pray for a volunteer friend to materialize to transcribe your audio to word processor. Use text software such as Word. Any text software will do.
7) Send me your OUTLINE and later your written text file. That will become the draft of the manuscript. Make sure you keep to the numbers and outline flow so that it is easy to match the graphics with your text.
Aloha,
Len


On Dec 7, 2007, at 12:29 PM, ANDREW MONKMAN wrote:

Sorry Len but i wouldnt know where to start. I have tried but my mind is just a blank. The article at world mysteries took me forever to do and it doesnt explain things the way i would like. I know this may sound strange but i`ve hardly written anything in my life. sorry again,A.
Leonard Horowitz < ******@***.com> wrote:
Andrew.
I think your work is very important.
Will you kindly consider organizing a manuscript for publication
purposes integrating all your research?
Start with a simple outline. I'll help guide you.
I think you nailed the G in freemasonry!
Aloha,
Len
On Dec 6, 2007, at 10:35 AM, ANDREW MONKMAN wrote:
> Hi Len, I thought this might interest you. I believe the
> complete flower of life is the origin of the G of freemasonry. I
> would appreciate your opinion on the attached image. All the
> best,AndyM >
>

[DrBaltar]

I dont know if anyone is aware of Dr Len Horowitz and his work. Len is a well respected author,researcher and runs a non profit organization. Well respected by who?

[Tricky]

Well respected by who?
It doesn't look good for him being respected by many people here. (http://www.tetrahedron.org/)


Dr. Leonard Horowitz provides an unparalleled peek into the Creator’s technology. He unearths compelling scientific evidence of your spiritual existence, and gives practical advice for your success as a powerful co-creator. Learn to be open-hearted, optimally blessed, and Divinely directed and protected as dramatic changes are unfolding globally. This spiritually uplifting book will have you celebrating and powerfully contributing to the Spiritual Renaissance as modern life is being transformed worldwide, and people like you are doing their part in preparation for a millennium of world peace. If you are interested in alternative medicine, metaphysics, music, simple mathematics, chanting, or praying, Dr. Horowitz relays great news. Walk on Water “opens doors that no man can close” regarding your spirituality, unity with Divine family, and the importance of your family and community for personal development, spiritual evolution, and planetary salvation. THIS BOOK MONUMENTALLY PRESENTS THE WISDOM OF "INTELLIGENT DESIGN" VERSUS THE LUNACY OF CHEMICAL TOXICITY, PHARMACEUTICAL SORCERY, AND EVOLUTION OF THE SPECIES.
If you've read that book, Andy, perhaps you can give us a sample of some of this "scientific evidence of spiritual existence."

[biomorph]

Well respected by who?

Not me:D

Dr. Leonard Horowitz provides an unparalleled peek into the Creator’s technology. He unearths compelling scientific evidence of your spiritual existence, and gives practical advice for your success as a powerful co-creator


Isn't this himself about himself, maybe not.

[Father Dagon]

Is this symbol the COMPLETE ancient flower of life? I would appreciate any opinions. :eye-poppiSource, please? As far as I know, it could be a 2D representation of a 3D model. Or just the result of some very, very simple rules.

Enjoy your spirograph.

[thoth108]

Hello Andymonk,

I've followed your threads in several forums, and I'm glad to see that you're here. You have some supporters amongst the many skeptics, rest assured. Thanks for bringing such an important topic as the Flower of Life to our attention; it's something that should be discussed.

Pardon me if this has been mentioned, but has anyone talked about the Flower in conjunction with cymatics?

I believe that if someone were to make a crop circle without the obvious utencils - plank, rope, and some math; they would be using cymatics to create the effect in the wheat. Any comments? (if you don't know what cymatics is, please spend some time on youtube looking at the videos of dancing salt).

[PixyMisa]

I think gizmonics is a far more plausible explanation than cymatics.

Particularly when you're trying to explain a phenomenon that doesn't actually happen.