Kent Hovind had my video pulled.

[EGarrett]

Yes, apparently Kent Hovind or someone associated with him had my YouTube vid pulled. I could've sworn Kent Hovind said repeatedly that his material was NOT copyrighted?

YouTube | Broadcast Yourself™
Dear Member:
This is to notify you that we have removed or disabled access to the following material as a result of a third-party notification by Creation Science Evangelism claiming that this material is infringing:

Kent Hovind destroyed by Evolution Grad Student 2/3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnIoykCr-Rk

Please Note: Repeat incidents of copyright infringement will result in the deletion of your account and all videos uploaded to that account. In order to avoid future strikes against your account, please delete any videos to which you do not own the rights, and refrain from uploading additional videos that infringe on the copyrights of others. For more information about YouTube's copyright policy, please read the Copyright Tips guide.

[dudalb]

Probably an associate of his. I doubt Hovind could do much from a prison cell.

[Ian Osborne]

I believe Shanek was successful in getting a video put back up after an incident like this one. Maybe you should PM him...

[Zep]

Probably his son, trying to keep the family business alive.

That material is in the public domain, and Kent has no recourse to it being shown. ShaneK should be able to advise you on getting it back up. So might the JREF office, who had a similar encounter with Uri Geller.

[shanek]

I believe Shanek was successful in getting a video put back up after an incident like this one. Maybe you should PM him...

Two of them, actually. Astrologer James Young and Bart Sibrel both had the respective episodes of Bogosity pulled. I got them reinstated without having to change one frame.

What you have to do is file a counter-notification with YouTube. The instructions are here:

http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=58127&topic=10553

I had mine reinstated by citing Title 17 Section 107 of the US Code (fair use). You might want to read that section before filing your counter-notification.

Here's the text of what I sent them:

[Name, address, and phone number]

[Links to the removed videos]

I, Shane Killian, under penalty of perjury, hereby state the following:

1. That the three-part video known as "Bogosity Episode 1: Astrology" was produced solely for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. That none of the video clips used from James Young constituted a reproduction in its entirety;
3. That the portion so used was less than 10% of the original material as legally required to be fair use for educational purposes or for commentary and criticism;
4. That the video is not a derivative work, being an educational piece intended as criticism;
5. That nowhere in the video is it stated or implied that Young provided this video data for criticism;
6. That Young's name and website as reference appears twice in the video, and no other claim of authorship for that video portion is given;
7. That the video is comprised solely of criticism and commentary of the video portions used; and
8. That no copyright infringement was intended and I still believe no such infringement has taken place, for the above-stated reasons.

I hereby consent to the jurisdiction of Federal District Court for the judicial district in which the above address is located. I will accept service of process from the person who provided notification under subsection (c)(1)(C) or an agent of such person.

[Full name](Note re: #3: The 10% requirement does not actually appear in the USC; it's just a guideline used by the courts.)

I also signed it with my PGP signature, although that technically isn't necessary, but it might be useful if the claim ever goes to court.

You can expect it to be reinstated in a couple of weeks. Don't let it get you down. If your use of the video is substantially the way I've used other videos in Bogosity, you should be fine.

By the way, the standard "I am not a lawyer" disclaimer applies. I'm just telling you what worked for me, not giving legal advice.

[shanek]

Probably his son, trying to keep the family business alive.

That material is in the public domain, and Kent has no recourse to it being shown. ShaneK should be able to advise you on getting it back up. So might the JREF office, who had a similar encounter with Uri Geller.

If it is indeed in the public domain, then of course phrase your counter-notification on that basis.

Good luck.

[Zep]

Bing! Thanks, Shane!

[Ian Osborne]

Yes, cheers Shane - and good luck, EGarrett. Be sure to post a link when your vid goes back up!

[Enlighten]

Its Hovind's son, Eric. He removed a whole bunch of material including a song written by someone.

According to Hovind's blog posting ( www . cseblogs.com/?p=85 ) its their official account.

I think the BBC should go after Hovind for this: youtube . com/watch?v=WpYEr4qBxa4

[Ian Osborne]

Any developments, EGarrett? Do keep us in the loop on this one. I look forward to watching the vid when it goes back up.

[CFLarsen]

Let me know where to find them, and I'll put them up.

[Ducky]

If many of us were to repost the videos at once, Hovind's camp may spend all their credibility with youtube when there is a larger volume of complaints by Hovind's camp, and a larger number of responses that the material is in the Public Domain. Something to think about. Anyone have a central server we could all get the vids from, and then individually we could post them up?

[Chris Haynes]

The Rational Responders have also been banned on YouTube... they are fighting back:
http://www.rationalresponders.com/

[EGarrett]

Any developments, EGarrett? Do keep us in the loop on this one. I look forward to watching the vid when it goes back up.I just got in contact with Jason Herbert of Rational Response this morning. They're prepping some sort of legal action and I sent them my videos for that use.

We also traded some strategizing for how to attack Hovind. My video uses an mp3 from his radio show, whereas the others use video clips, but there appears to be a way to handle this regardless. I offer a suggestion of keeping not only the pulled videos, but the pro-Hovind videos that were kept, in order to show that they are selectively enforcing their copyright in order to try to suppress conflicting opinions...which to my knowledge will cut their case off at the knees. Herbert said that they'll probably now use that strategy also.

Copyright is only intended to be used to protect intellectual property, not as a club against freedom of speech...and that method seems a quite clear way to protect it.

Having gotten together and had these conversation, I must say that Eric Hovind has his hands full trying to mess with a group made-up of outspoken skeptics and critical thinkers who edit their own video presentations. It's not exactly a dumb or timid group.

[EGarrett]

Let me know where to find them, and I'll put them up.

If many of us were to repost the videos at once, Hovind's camp may spend all their credibility with youtube when there is a larger volume of complaints by Hovind's camp, and a larger number of responses that the material is in the Public Domain. Something to think about. Anyone have a central server we could all get the vids from, and then individually we could post them up?If you guys give me your AIM names, either here or in Private Messages, I will contact you and I can send you the .zip file over AIM.

[CFLarsen]

If you guys give me your AIM names, either here or in Private Messages, I will contact you and I can send you the .zip file over AIM.

I don't use AIM. Skype, or simple email. Or, put them on a server somewhere and email me the URL.

[EGarrett]

I don't use AIM. Skype, or simple email. Or, put them on a server somewhere and email me the URL.I'm placing the .zip file on MegaUpload. In about 40 minutes, when it's done, I will post the URL.

[CFLarsen]

Okies.

[EGarrett]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=B8VE3SUD

[Ducky]

Thanks EGarrett. I am downloading now.

I'll have it up as soon as I can.

[jimlintott]

I ran into this while reading Slashdot yesterday. I even managed to find it today. ;)

Do-It-Yourself Counter Notification Letter (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/%7Edst/Terrorism/form-letter.html)

Seems similar to Shanek's.

[EGarrett]

Oh, here's the description I used etc., if it helps. Maybe something should be added about how Hovind's materials, according to his site, are not copyrighted?
________________________________________________

Kent Hovind is/was a Creationist lecturer and radio host. One night, he got a call from a Canadian pro evolutionist named "Martin," who sounded deceptively young. But when Hovind tried to attack him, he found that Martin was more prepared then he thought. It's one of the most thorough dominations of an Evolution/Creation debate that I've ever heard. The first few minutes of this clip were posted by someone else, so I figured I'd post the rest of it. Along with some visual commentary by me. Hope you enjoy it.

BTW, Kent Hovind is the higher, Southern-sounding voice. The third voice that occassionally shows up is Jonathan, Kent's co-host.

Also, this full mp3, as well as mp3's of Martin's second call to Hovind and more, can be found at http://true.wxcs.com/hovind/

Keywords:

Kent Hovind Martin Evolution Creationism God Science Debate Gills Platypus Religion Brazeau Lancelet

(news and politics section)

[The Bad Astronomer]

I posted about this on my blog (http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/09/14/kent-hovind-creationist-liar-and-evil-evil-evil/). Unfortunately, Friday is not a huge traffic day. I will be completely self-serving and ask people to click the "Digg it!" button on my blog; that way it can get spread much farther.

[EGarrett]

Thanks BA.

Interesting that Creation Science Evangelism has now altered their website to say their materials ARE copyrighted. I don't see that holding up anyhow or anyway.

[delphi_ote]

EGarrett, I'm in. Uploading it now. **** Hovind.

[EGarrett]

Update: I got in contact with Martin Brazeau himself and he wants to collaborate on a video based on another call he did to Hovind about rock layers and slickensides. Once this copyright mess works out (which it probably will because Rational Response has been reinstated), I'll probably be doing that.

Re: My video, many people downloaded the MegaUpload link and are reposting the video on Youtube. Ironically, it appears to be getting far more attention than it did before Creation Science Evangelism had it pulled. Ironically though, some people aren't mentioning who made the video when posting it...and I read many comments of others saying "great vid, glad I subscribed to you" when these people have more subscribers than I do. It's not really ironic though because I'm not profiting off someone else's work...Hovind said his stuff was never copyrighted.

Anyway...still talking to Jason at Rational Response...as I said they got reinstated...but they're still considering putting a case together. They're also getting flamed by some woman named SableChicken...who implied all sorts of batty things like that the Blasphemy Challenge sucks the life out of people and that Brian Sapient must be out of frame on the videos holding guns to people's heads. I'll probably join the effort to mock her into oblivion...I can't see how the next video on my account isn't a total savagefest on her.

I am picking up quite a few more subscribers in general thanks to this...who will be able to see that one. Thanks Kent and Eric Hovind!

[Phrost]

I ran into this while reading Slashdot yesterday. I even managed to find it today. ;)

Do-It-Yourself Counter Notification Letter (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/%7Edst/Terrorism/form-letter.html)

Seems similar to Shanek's.

Wow, thanks! That helps me out greatly with this "Skittles" cult we're dealing with on Bullshido.

If anyone needs free bandwidth/hosting let me know. I've got a few TB to spare.

[Wildy]

Also, this full mp3, as well as mp3's of Martin's second call to Hovind and more, can be found at [a url that is quoted but I can't post]


Thanks for posting this link.

I think I can see why Hovind's organisation want to censor people who don't like him. He is an idiot, and that is all these clips show.

[EGarrett]

There are a far, far more calls at...

http://true.wxcs.com/Hovind/Jared%20Hoag/

The URL's are case-sensitive though...which is why it took me so long to find this other page.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Turn for the worse on this issue: http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/09/youtube-support.html

YouTube has banned a group called the Rational Response Squad (http://www.rationalresponders.com/) after it complained its videos were being taken down due to spurious DMCA requests from creationists.

[Chris Haynes]

Turn for the worse on this issue: http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/09/youtube-support.html

That was three days ago... they are back on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=RationalResponse

Did you miss the "I am the MAN" statement:
http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/rational_response_squad_alerts/rational_response_squad_alerts/10132

Good grief... and my kids think I am behind in the times!

[a_unique_person]

DSM :confused:

[Chris Haynes]

DSM :confused:

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders (http://dsmivtr.org/)?