Double Murderer OJ Simpson Involved In Armed Robbery?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

This could get interesting....

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/14/simpson/index.html

[This Guy]

What, no low speed chase?

Boring stuff.

;)

[shemp]

What, no low speed chase?

Boring stuff.

;)

Yeah, he could at least run through the airport jumping over turnstiles and counters. Nowadays that would get him arrested, maybe even shot on sight!

[Just thinking]

What, no low speed chase?

Boring stuff.

;)

They caught him, didn't they? Didn't even need a car.

BTW --- what makes you think the first low-speed-chase was anything other than boring (and a public nuisance)?

[This Guy]

They caught him, didn't they? Didn't even need a car.

BTW --- what makes you think the first low-speed-chase was anything other than boring (and a public nuisance)?

Sorry, next time I'll use a larger smiley for ya :)

hmm can't seem to do that.

Oh well, maybe you'll just have to look closer :)

[TragicMonkey]

Nonsense. He was just looking for clues to the Real Killer.

[Just thinking]

Nonsense. He was just looking for clues to the Real Killer.

There was a golf course on the premises?

[Just thinking]

Sorry, next time I'll use a larger smiley for ya :)

hmm can't seem to do that.

Oh well, maybe you'll just have to look closer :)

I can't believe you took me as dead serious.

:D

[JollyRoger]

OJ is gambling in Las Veges? Where the house always wins?? Is that smart???

[fuelair]

If he's full of ****, you must acquit.



Or, perhaps: He's full of **** we quite admit!!!

[Babylon Sister]

And now he's been arrested. But "the truth will come out." Still looking for those killers OJ?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/16/oj.simpson/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

[The Central Scrutinizer]

And now he's been arrested. But "the truth will come out." Still looking for those killers OJ?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/16/oj.simpson/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Now he'll have to look for the real armed robbers too.

[Ranb]

The news channels are tripping all over themselves to make this murdering clown more popular than OBL and Hitler combined. It will please me to no end if this ******* jerk is sent to prison for a long time, just so I can avoid turning the channel each time the media tries to entertain us with his antics.

Ranb

[LashL]

It will please me to no end if this ******* jerk is sent to prison for a long time, just so I can avoid turning the channel each time the media tries to entertain us with his antics.

Ranb

Well, here's a start. Reportedly, he has been held without bail in connection with his latest run-in with the law.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_re_us/simpson_questioned

[timhau]

OJ is gambling in Las Veges? Where the house always wins?? Is that smart???

OJ doing stupid things? Say it ain't so!

[Katana]

OJ doing stupid things? Say it ain't so!

:D

Exactly what my reaction was.

[Babylon Sister]

What a dipstick. Does he really believe he has any credibility left?

[ponderingturtle]

What a dipstick. Does he really believe he has any credibility left?

Any bets on when "If I robbed them" is coming out?

[dudalb]

Someone leaked the audio tape of OJ in the Room.Does not look good for THe Juice.
Well if they could not nail Capone for the hundreds of murders he ordered but could nail him for Tax Evasion then I have no problem with them nailing OJ for Armed Robbery.
But,God,How stupid can you get? OJ is total moron . Every cop and DA in the country would love to send you up the river so you put yourself in a position where you can get 4 felony charges. Briliant.

[alfaniner]

This morning one of the web news services had what was probably my favorite headline ever -- "JUICE IN THE CAN".



How long will it be until the first claim that he was set up?

[Babylon Sister]

How long will it be until the first claim that he was set up?

You mean he hasn't already? I thought he'd be on the hunt for the real robbers by now. Probably that pesky NO BAIL thing holding up the search.

Again, what a dipstick.

[alfaniner]

I thought it would be really interesting if there was a bail set for him, and he somehow came up with that money -- money which I understand should have gone to the Goldmans.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I thought it would be really interesting if there was a bail set for him, and he somehow came up with that money -- money which I understand should have gone to the Goldmans.

Unfortunately, no. His pension money is protected. So he has at least some money.

[WildCat]

Unfortunately, no. His pension money is protected. So he has at least some money.
Not only his pension, but his estate as well. In fact, he moved to Florida from California just so his estate would be protected from any lawsuits.

Oh well, OJ is now in jail, and could get a sentence of 30 years or more if he's found guilty - a potential life sentence for a 60 year old man. Christmas comes early this year!

[fuelair]

His lawyer for this one is a real piece of crap* (saw him on the news - MSNBC, I believe) spewing that Simpson AT NO POINT IN THE EVENT was aware that any of his "companions" had a gun out.






*that would be a repeat of a prior case. Crap defending crap, I guess.

[hgc]

I thought it would be really interesting if there was a bail set for him, and he somehow came up with that money -- money which I understand should have gone to the Goldmans.


His friends could always put the bail up for him. It would be worth it just to see who they are.

[The Atheist]

It will please me to no end if this ******* jerk is sent to prison for a long time, just so I can avoid turning the channel each time the media tries to entertain us with his antics.

Ranb

What a dipstick. Does he really believe he has any credibility left?

How are the sales of his book going?

Seems an awfully convenient coincidence.

[Denial]

Does Chewbacca still live on Endor? If so, OJ will be off the hook in no time.

[bokonon]

Since he got a free pass the first time around, I don't have a problem with speculating about his guilt before all the facts are in this time.

Sounds to me like the guy he robbed probably had taken some memorabilia OJ thought should be his. I heard the victim had declined to press charges, which seems consistent with "I'm not really supposed to have this stuff, and I'd like the questions to go away now."

But Simpson's mistake was not taking this to court, because if a court awarded him the memorabilia, it would be instantly attached by the Goldmans. So he tried an end run around the law.

Unless we get a jury as stupid as the first one, looks to me like he's going to be adding some time to the year or so he spent in jail. I hope it's a LOT of time.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

His lawyer for this one is a real piece of crap* (saw him on the news - MSNBC, I believe) spewing that Simpson AT NO POINT IN THE EVENT was aware that any of his "companions" had a gun out.






*that would be a repeat of a prior case. Crap defending crap, I guess.

If you saw the same thing I saw, it was on CNN with Rick Sanchez. He had a rather bombastic guest who said that exact thing. Anyhow, that isn't OJ's lawyer. I don't think we know who his lawyer is yet.

However, what you saw might have been something different.

[greymatters]

I couldn't believe it when I heard he was here in Las Vegas!

A few random thoughts on the matter:

* He went from PaLaCE STATION to PoLiCE STATION.

* He was staying at the Palms Casino, which also was the scene of Britney Spears' career-ending performance recently.

* He was arrested after attending a friend's wedding as the best man. Can you imagine the wedding memories this couple will have?

* Clark County keeps all its public records online. Go to this page (http://redrock.co.clark.nv.us/ccdcincustody/inCustodySearch.aspx), and type in 02648927 after "Inmate's ID" and click "Submit". You can see details of all the charges. (Hmmm...he's in unit "4J" - how appropriate!)

[timhau]

* He was arrested after attending a friend's wedding as the best man. Can you imagine the wedding memories this couple will have?

They have nobody but themselves to blame. Did someone force them at gunpoint to take OJ as their best man?

Oh, wait...

[greymatters]

They have nobody but themselves to blame. Did someone force them at gunpoint to take OJ as their best man?

Oh, wait...

Ouch. That Hertz.

[Aoidoi]

How are the sales of his book going?

Seems an awfully convenient coincidence.He's not getting any money from the book. He got sued for the publishing rights and lost.

[ponderingturtle]

Since he got a free pass the first time around, I don't have a problem with speculating about his guilt before all the facts are in this time.

Sounds to me like the guy he robbed probably had taken some memorabilia OJ thought should be his. I heard the victim had declined to press charges, which seems consistent with "I'm not really supposed to have this stuff, and I'd like the questions to go away now."

Well OJ was rather upset by all his memorabilia he had to sell, and he wanted it back. That was how NPR reported it.

[Matthew Best]

Did he chop anybody's head off this time? Cause once you've done that, armed robbery isn't really that big of a deal, is it?

[Brown]

All right, things are far from being sorted out, but ... it's possible that I might be sympathizing with Simpson. There are a lot of "ifs" pertaining to what he did, and it might be that he deserves to be tossed in the pokey for a long time on account of what he did in Las Vegas. But it also might be that he felt he didn't have much choice but to do what he did.

But there are some sympathy aspects to his predicament. His defense team publicly took a stinking, runny, corn-laced crap all over cops in general and the LAPD in particular. Simpson himself didn't direct this mode of defense, he just benefitted from it. But as a consequence, Simpson has had to recognize that no US cop, in any city, is ever going to lift a finger to help him in the future, even if he is in the right.

And there are scumbags out there that know this. They know Simpson can't go to the cops for help. They know that if someone whacked Simpson on the kneecap with a crowbar, and Simpson sought the help of the police, the case might be deemed "unsolved" before any investigation began. They know that if they steal from him, the friendly folks in law enforcement will be predisposed to stick it to Simpson instead of the actual crooks.

In addition, there is a little sympathy factor for Simpson in that, if someone stole my, uh, stuff (instead of "stuff," Simpson used a word that rhymed with "spit"), and I basically caught them crimson-fisted with the booty, and I thought I could intimidate them with my size or my demeanor or my language, there's a good chance that I'd do it. I wouldn't be polite. I wouldn't say, "I humbly beg your pardon, but I think you have improperly come into possession of my property." Chances are, I'd berate them like Simpson did, maybe even scare them (although I wouldn't overtly threaten their health--and it appears Simpson himself didn't do any such threatening).

But on the other side of the ledger, there's the matter of the guns. And there's the matter of trying to hide assets from a creditor. And there's the matter of blocking egress. And potential assault (not involving bodily injury). There's further the matter of criminal coersion. And there's the matter of the ... um ... planning.

So the preliminary facts aren't all favoring Simpson. Curious, though, that this case doesn't seem quite as one-sided as the murder case.

[WildCat]

Simpson has had to recognize that no US cop, in any city, is ever going to lift a finger to help him in the future, even if he is in the right.
This is where you go off track. If he had reason to believe someone was selling his property in a public auction, he can have his lawyer sue. No cops involved at all.


In addition, there is a little sympathy factor for Simpson in that, if someone stole my, uh, stuff (instead of "stuff," Simpson used a word that rhymed with "spit"),
Has Simpson ever reported any of this "stuff" stolen, if only to get a police report for insurance purposes?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

But there are some sympathy aspects to his predicament. His defense team publicly took a stinking, runny, corn-laced crap all over cops in general and the LAPD in particular. Simpson himself didn't direct this mode of defense, he just benefitted from it. But as a consequence, Simpson has had to recognize that no US cop, in any city, is ever going to lift a finger to help him in the future, even if he is in the right.

Simpson made his bed by murdering two people. He must now lie in it.

[greymatters]

The formal charges against Simpson and his co-defendants include:

* conspiracy to commit kidnapping
* robbery and burglary
* burglary while in possession of a deadly weapon
* kidnapping with a deadly weapon
* robbery with a deadly weapon
* assault and coercion with a deadly weapon

Some of them are multiple counts, so there are a total of 11 charges, 10 of which are felonies.

It's doesn't help that he has a police chase on his record, and is therefore considered a flight risk.

[bokonon]

If he had reason to believe someone was selling his property in a public auction, he can have his lawyer sue. No cops involved at all.

Absolutely correct. All this "I can't trust the cops" talk is nonsense, and beside the point. He (or his attorney) is speaking to a potential jury, hoping he gets one as incapable of weighing evidence as the jurors in his prior criminal case.

[Miss Anthrope]

I'm enjoying this development more than I should.

[dudalb]

This is where you go off track. If he had reason to believe someone was selling his property in a public auction, he can have his lawyer sue. No cops involved at all.






100 % correct. If OJ felt he could not get the police interested,he could have taken a page from the Goldmans and sued the people for the return of his property.
In any case,did the people who he burst in on steal the stuff from OJ or did they buy it from another owner and were just reselling it,not knowing it was stolen merchandise.
Anyway, I submit that busting in like a home invasion robbery and holding people at gunpoint is not the right way to go about getting your "stuff" back.
God,they guy must be a true moron or a true sociopath to do something like this considering that around 90% of the population thinks he got away with murder.
Thank heavens this will be tried in the Vegas court system rather then Southren California,which has the most screwed up legal system in the world.

[gnome]

He received the benefit of our judicial system that would rather see a dishonest prosecution fail, even if they dishonestly prosecuted a guilty man. And gets himself into trouble AGAIN? No sympathy.

[dudalb]

He received the benefit of our judicial system that would rather see a dishonest prosecution fail, even if they dishonestly prosecuted a guilty man. And gets himself into trouble AGAIN? No sympathy.

Not so much dishonest as inept.

[Kaylee]

If OJ felt he could not get the police interested,he could have taken a page from the Goldmans and sued the people for the return of his property.
I know US law allows people to protect their own property at the time that the thief is attempting to take it. But I don't think that US law allows people to stage their own sting operations to get their stolen property back after the fact. At that point I think its expected that the situation be given to the police to handle. I had always assumed that a police report would have to be filed before someone could be sued for theft in a civil court (regardless if the criminal case was won or lost) but IANAL. If the police flagrently refused to handle the case, then I guess they could be sued for not doing their job? Any comments on that?

As for the guns -- I wonder if this is going to be a case of "He says vs. He says? " How would the police and the people accusing OJ et al prove that OJ's accomplices had guns with them at the time?


In any case,did the people who he burst in on steal the stuff from OJ or did they buy it from another owner and were just reselling it,not knowing it was stolen merchandise.

I would assume it's most likely the latter, because otherwise why would they have reported the robbery if it could be easily proven that they had stolen the merchandise themselves?

I suspect that OJ lives in a fantasy world that resembles the movies more than real life. He got away with it in a California court, it will be interesting to see what happens in a Nevada court.

[Modified]

I had always assumed that a police report would have to be filed before someone could be sued for theft in a civil court (regardless if the criminal case was won or lost) but IANAL.

No, that is not required.

[Kaylee]

I had always assumed that a police report would have to be filed before someone could be sued for theft in a civil court (regardless if the criminal case was won or lost) but IANAL.

No, that is not required.

Ah, OK. Interesting to know. Still, I would imagine that if the plaintiff didn't file a police report that this would not help their case in civil court.
I would expect that the defendant's lawyer would bring this up during the trial and try to use this to say that the plaintiff lacks "clear and convincing evidence" (the burden of persusasion required in a civil court) per this wiki article (http://forums.randi.org//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof).

[TheDoLittle]

Well, this incident has scared Kato Kaelin into return his stuff he "acquired" from OJ...


qZnUMqMH8M8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZnUMqMH8M8

[Kaylee]

TheDoLittle;2978603]Well, this incident has scared Kato Kaelin into return his stuff he "acquired" from OJ...[/u]


qZnUMqMH8M8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZnUMqMH8M8

Wow! That is really Kato! I'm not an OJ fan, but what a sh*tty thing for a "friend" to do.

[TheDoLittle]

Wow! That is really Kato! I'm not an OJ fan, but what a sh*tty thing for a "friend" to do.

To me it seems the "friend" part of the OJ/Kato relationship became null and void after Kato's testimony during the criminal trial, all be it flimsy testimony.


But the video was pretty damned funny... and I still wanna know about that used Coke bottle!!

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Did anyone catch his attorney's press conference this morning?

There was some nut wearing an OJ 07 t-shirt and a hat thay said "I (heart) Famous People" standing next to him. Everytime he said something like "I intend to prove my client's innocence", this guy would yell stuff like "Right on", "Touchdown" and "You da man". It was hysterical!!! Then when the conference ended, and the attorney walked away, this guy yells "Good job Joe Pesci" and then leans into the microphone and yells "No more questions"!!!

I was laughing so hard I was crying. The OJ circus is back in town! :yahoo

[Kaylee]

To me it seems the "friend" part of the OJ/Kato relationship became null and void after Kato's testimony during the criminal trial, all be it flimsy testimony.
I'll take your word for it. Believe it or not, I just don't remember the OJ trial that well.


But the video was pretty damned funny
It was funny! I just hope I never have a "friend" like Kato...

[TheDoLittle]

Did anyone catch his attorney's press conference this morning?

There was some nut wearing an OJ 07 t-shirt and a hat thay said "I (heart) Famous People" standing next to him. Everytime he said something like "I intend to prove my client's innocence", this guy would yell stuff like "Right on", "Touchdown" and "You da man". It was hysterical!!! Then when the conference ended, and the attorney walked away, this guy yells "Good job Joe Pesci" and then leans into the microphone and yells "No more questions"!!!

I was laughing so hard I was crying. The OJ circus is back in town! :yahoo

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2007/09/19/bizarre-man-steals-show-o-j-news-conference

I'm sorry I missed the news conference, but I'm sure it'll be up on YouTube before long.

[ponderingturtle]

Did anyone catch his attorney's press conference this morning?

There was some nut wearing an OJ 07 t-shirt and a hat thay said "I (heart) Famous People" standing next to him. Everytime he said something like "I intend to prove my client's innocence", this guy would yell stuff like "Right on", "Touchdown" and "You da man". It was hysterical!!! Then when the conference ended, and the attorney walked away, this guy yells "Good job Joe Pesci" and then leans into the microphone and yells "No more questions"!!!

I was laughing so hard I was crying. The OJ circus is back in town! :yahoo

And here I thought there would never be another season of OJ Today.

No wait that was not so much thought as wished to any divine being that might happen to exist and the management teams of all tv stations(possibly even more inexplicable than the actions attributed to various gods)

[TheDoLittle]

I'll take your word for it. Believe it or not, I just don't remember the OJ trial that well.

I was "between jobs" at the time. It was either watch that, or the other over-blown, over-hyped, over-acted soap operas the networks were airing.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

OK, he wasn't a nut. The joke is on me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0paV3yrOjs

[TheDoLittle]

OK, he wasn't a nut. The joke is on me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0paV3yrOjs


It's okay. He's a regular on the Jimmy Kimmel show so it's not like anyone would know who he is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y55CpuWSRxc

[The Central Scrutinizer]

OJ's buddies are flipping faster than the head cook at the pancake house.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/15/oj.simpson/index.html

[dudalb]

OJ's buddies are flipping faster than the head cook at the pancake house.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/15/oj.simpson/index.html

Big Surprise.
I don't think,even if found guilty, OJ will spend more then a year in jail,but still to him totally humiliated and officially branded a felon will give me some pleasure. He should be doing life,but I will take what I can get.

[timhau]

Big Surprise.
I don't think,even if found guilty, OJ will spend more then a year in jail,but still to him totally humiliated and officially branded a felon will give me some pleasure. He should be doing life,but I will take what I can get.


Actually... is there a reason why he shouldn't be on death row, other than the fact that he had money for hotshot lawyers? If OJ the bus driver or OJ the schoolteacher had killed his ex-wife and her boyfriend, what are the chances that he wouldn't have faced the death penalty?

[ponderingturtle]

Actually... is there a reason why he shouldn't be on death row, other than the fact that he had money for hotshot lawyers? If OJ the bus driver or OJ the schoolteacher had killed his ex-wife and her boyfriend, what are the chances that he wouldn't have faced the death penalty?

Pretty good, it would seem that california has it only for first degree murder, and I am not sure how premeditated that was, and it seems to require special circumstances, so he might well not have met the requirements in california.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

OJ is back in the slammer.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/12/oj.simpson.ap/index.html

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Judge doubles OJ's bail and lays the smack down: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/16/simpson.bail/index.html

LAS VEGAS, Nevada (CNN) -- A judge doubled O.J. Simpson's bail to $250,000 Wednesday after learning he never paid any money to a bail bondsman when he initially was released.

Attorney Yale Galanter said Simpson planned to use his Miami, Florida, home to secure bond. But the judge insisted that he put down 15 percent in cash -- $37,500.

"I don't want him out of the jail until the 15 percent is paid," said Clark County District Court Judge Jackie Glass.

The judge scolded Simpson, saying he wasn't taking the matter seriously.

"I don't know if it's just arrogance. I don't know if it's ignorance," she chided. "But you've been locked up at the Clark County Detention Center since Friday because of arrogance or ignorance -- or both." Glass chided.

Simpson's bail bondsman, Miguel Pereira of Florida- based You Ring, We Spring, took the witness stand as prosecutors attempted to prove Simpson violated terms of his release on bail as he awaits a robbery trial.

The bail bondsman testified that Simpson had never paid him, and that he had to pay a $40 fee out of his own pocket.


I think when you reach a point in your life when you are dealing with a company called "You Ring, We Spring", it might be time to re-evaluate some of the choices you have made along the way.

[Redtail]

Judge doubles OJ's bail and lays the smack down: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/16/simpson.bail/index.html



I think when you reach a point in your life when you are dealing with a company called "You Ring, We Spring", it might be time to re-evaluate some of the choices you have made along the way.

Nope. It's when you find out your public defender is named Honey. Well it worked for my roommate in grad school.

ETA: Hey! He was from Vegas! Maybe OJ will get her. :D

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Police are wondering how his girlfriend ended up in the hospital, covered with bruises.

She "fell". http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/02/14/nancy.grace.oj.girlfriend.in.hospital.cnn