Be utterly amazed.

[Paul Bethke]

Greetings to ALL out YONDER

I know this is no surprise that Thursday is once again upon us---From Thursday to Thursday. Actually it is Friday here when it is Thursday in the USA as if you did not know that.

My weekly reminder of my prediction ----Now you out yonder can never say I did not tell you of my intentions in ADVANCE-----

There is one thing about the prophecies recorded in the Scriptures they were always told in advance EVEN though it was some time in advance.

Habakkuk 1:5--“Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed.
For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe,
even if you were told.

So now you have been told

Regards
Paul

[The Don]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Greetings to ALL out YONDER

Habakkuk 1:5--“Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed.
For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe,
even if you were told.

So now you have been told

Regards
Paul

South Africa are 253-1 in the fifth test, is this the thing to which you are referring

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
There is one thing about the prophecies recorded in the Scriptures they were always told in advance EVEN though it was some time in advance.

Habakkuk 1:5--“Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed.
For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe,
even if you were told.

So now you have been told

Yeah, except what you're going to do.

[DaChew]

South Africa are 253-1 in the fifth test, is this the thing to which you are referring

Is that cricket you're talking about? How is that scored? I never quite understood that. Is the bowler the same as a pitcher in baseball?

[RonSceptic]

I am already utterly amazed.;)

[homunculus]

There is one thing about the prophecies recorded in the Scriptures they were always told in advance EVEN though it was some time in advance.

But there is no way to rule out those prophecies having been written after the fact (scripture has been changed or added to a lot over the millenia, after all, by many unknown authors).

Habakkuk 1:5--“Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told."

So now you have been told

Told what? What something amazing will happen?

I think that's pretty much garaunteed to come true, man. I mean, someone, somewhere, is almost definitely going to be amazed by something, aren't they?

Paul.

[Seismosaurus]

Originally posted by DaChew


Is that cricket you're talking about? How is that scored? I never quite understood that. Is the bowler the same as a pitcher in baseball?

Yeah, the bowler is the guy who throws the ball.

Cricket's easy. I found a good explanation of it here (http://radio.weblogs.com/0100026/2003/04/04.html#a1780).

You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.

Each man that's in the side that's in, goes out, and when he's out, he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out.

When they are all out the side that's out comes in and the side that's been in goes out and tries to get those coming in out.

Sometimes you get men still in and not out.

When both sides have been in and out including the not-outs, that's the end of the game.

[DaChew]

When both sides have been in and out including the not-outs, that's the end of the game.

Wow! Sounds like an exciting and challenging sport.

And by "exciting and challenging sport" I'm mean: A good excuse to drink beer and sit around.

[Paul Bethke]

Howdy homunculus

Quote
Told what? What something amazing will happen?

I think that's pretty much garaunteed to come true, man. I mean, someone, somewhere, is almost definitely going to be amazed by something, aren't they?

Reply

I am amazed utterly amazed—even perplexed that you have not heard about my lunacy---

O well let me tell you what I have predicted I will do---

Being the only TRUE prophet left I intend to blind Randi and fifty others who have volunteered on a Thursday at 9:30 PM Eastern Time---

I have been unsuccessful (Well that is what it seems to every one at the moment) for the LAST eighty two weeks BUT feel confident that I can do it this Thursday----

I will then get the $million.
That should be quite unusual?

Cheers
Paul

[diddidit]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
(stuff)

I am amazed utterly amazed—even perplexed that you have not heard about my lunacy---

(stuff)

I have been unsuccessful for the LAST eighty two weeks BUT feel confident that I can do it this Thursday----

(stuff)


Paul, do I detect an ever-so slight, barely evident, miniscule slip in your confidence? A spot, a speck of rust on the armor of your faith?

Could it be?

did

[NoZed Avenger]

Ladybrook

[Paul Bethke]

Hi diddidit

Quote
Paul, do I detect an ever-so slight, barely evident, miniscule slip in your confidence? A spot, a speck of rust on the armor of your faith?

Could it be?

Reply
Is that picture for real?

The armour is as bright as ever---I just had to edit a bit.
In retrospect I have put it that way.

Keep Well
Paul

[Ipecac]

Paul,

Here's the deal. You have made it pretty clear over the past 80 (!) weeks that you are attempting, by supernatural means, to simultaneously blind Randi and fifty or so others. These people are spread all over the globe and I doubt you know much more about most of them than their screen nickname.

This would seem to be a unique pronouncement. No one else in the world is claiming to do this. So, let's make a deal.

I am sure that everyone here will acknowledge that the odds of simultaneous blindness of so many people in so many places are so remote as to be nearly impossible. I am also sure that in the event that Randi and these individuals simultaneously go blind, everyone will also acknowledge that you predicted it and give you the "credit".

What's your part of the deal? Stop posting about it every week. I guarantee you that if you missed a week and it happened, no one would deny you your rightful claim of success.

So just let it go. You predictions are safely recorded, there's no further need to repeat them and repeat them and repeat them.

Thank you.

Ipecac

[thaiboxerken]

LOL!! He's still trying this crap, it's amazing!! 80 weeks!!

LMAO!!

I guess the tactic is to claim this every week and if Randi.. say, dies, he'll claim that Randi can't see anymore and he wins. Or, if any one of Randi's crew can't see for ANY reason, he'll try to claim the prize. It's insane!

[jj]

Paul, yes, I am amazed that you haven't yet gotten help for your problem.

[diddidit]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Is that picture for real?


Whichum picture, my avatar? You'd know it was real if you were on my christmas-card list...

did

[thaiboxerken]

I find THIS utter-ly amazing myself.


http://www.goldengate.edu.pl/ostroda/cowchic/5.jpg

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Ipecac
Quote
So just let it go. You predictions are safely recorded, there's no further need to repeat them and repeat them and repeat them.

Thank you.



Reply

Point taken.
Thanks Ipecac you have confirmed my worst fears.
I was worried some one else would get the credit.


Regards
Paul

[Upchurch]

Not to worry, Paul. Even accepted religious authorities wouldn't try to claim your false prophesies.

Are we really up to 80 false prophesies now? Aren't you about due for a stonin' or whatever they do to false prophets?

[shemp]

I DEMAND THAT YOU BLIND ME IMMEDIATELY, OR I SHALL BE FORCED TO CONTACT MY LAWYERS!!!

[Psi Baba]

Geez, Shemp, I think you just blinded half the forum with that one. Watch it, will ya? :cool:

And no, you don't get the million, so forget it, because you didn't do it paranorminiminally.

[Dragonrock]

I think someone got ahold of Paul Bethke's password and is messing with us. His whole method of posting seems to have changed.

In fact, he is now making fun of his own failures.

[Latimer]

Paul.

You promised.

You said you wouldn't be back until after the event.

OK I will do what you suggest-----I will not return to this Forum until after the event occurs.
Once again thank you for the clear point of view. You have prophetically forecast the end result.

Paul, you lied.

And you *continue* to hurt your own cause.

As in my last post to you, some 40 weeks AGO...


Greetings Latimer

Hello.


Let me start by saying that the blinding of Randi & Co have Scriptural injunction----By this I mean that what I intend doing is recorded as having been done before.

Irrelevant. Whether it truly happened before is also irrelevant. Even if it were given that such an event had occured before (a given I do not give, by the way) it would not mean you had this ability. Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.

I realise that what I am saying is nothing new---BUT a repeat should be in order as what I intend doing is quite significant and will have an implication on future events. So to have this on record is a good thing.

It is on the record. Utterly. Ridiculously. Completely. It has been repeatedly on the record for forty-one weeks. Also on the record are forty-one failures. Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.


Now bear with me as I visualise what impact the blinding event will have on the global society---

I don't care what you visualise the event will have on global society; because I see no evidence that the event will *ever* take place; as you have been promising for forty-one weeks. Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.


I believe that the Bible and every thing recorded there in is authentic-=-And to prove this-the events recorded therein will need to be repeated.

It doesn't matter what you believe; to prove this you need to blind all these people magically; as you have been promising for forty-one weeks, and forty-one failures. Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.


My present commission is to announce the establishment of the Kingdom of Christ on this earth---here and now.
To announce this I need to get the attention of as many people as possible using whatever method I can.

Well, then, firstly, you are in the wrong place. An Intenet forum, however popular, is just and internet forum. Do the event, and the press you will get will be monstrous. The only reason you delay is because you cannot do what you claim you can. As such, you are hurting your cause far more than helping it; in fact you have, as I have said above, made any atheist's claim stronger every week. Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.


WHAT KIND OF PLACE WILL THE KINGDOM OF GOD BE LIKE?

Irrelevant. Since you cannot demonstrate your ability to do as you have promised, why should I believe or care about your vision of the Kingdom of God? Get the blinding over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.


NOW WHAT OF THE PRESENT SITUATION?

The present situation is that you have failed to do as you said you would do. Nothing more. Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.


OK why the delay—I call it a delay others have chosen to call it a failure.

It is a failure, Paul. It is chasing people away from your cause; it is giving those who oppose your cause more proof that you are full of doo-doo. Justice delayed is Justice denied. Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.


BUT such an event when fulfilled will truly be spectacular.

You said when; I don't agree. You state the event is a certainty; I have seen no evidence of this. The only evidence that would be creditable is for the event to take place. Thus: Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.


42 weeks of continual announcements does seem to be negative----BUT the blinding is an approved technique.
Now who approved it?
No ONE else but the GOD that I serve.

Then you are making your god look foolish; or He is making you look foolish. If He cannot perform this absurdly simple miracle, and can't magically give you an accurate forecast as to when it will go down, you have no credibility. Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.


So every week I expect the event to take place---BUT when the time comes I am informed that I must wait another week and so it has gone on.

Informed? By whom? Do they talk to you in your head? Appear to you? Or are you simply inferring that from your failures? Could it be you are on the wrong track? What would it take for you to admit you were on the wrong track and to go somewhere else? What would it take to convince you you are wrong? To convince me that I am wrong is simple; the event must happen. You've promised. As such, it seems you are bearing false witness; you are bearing false witness of your own relationship with your own God. Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.


That does not mean I have failed it just means that I must wait for GOD to give the go ahead.
But in saying this as has been stated the EVENT is a foregone conclusion—Whether this week or next week it is written.

That is a false conclusion. Firstly, it isn't written; just interpreted, and interpreted wrongly. Secondly, if you must wait for God to give the go-ahead, then go away until you get a really super-positive message that this is the last and only week the event will occur. Then, when the event doesn't occur, go away permanetly, or get a new schtick. Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.


Because of the magnitude of this and other events that will affect the whole of humanity there are certain things that I as a person must be made aware of---Because in the end I must represent GOD on earth.

Well, hanging on the JREF Forum every week proclaiming that the even will occur, and then it failing, is not the way to do it. Go and find the certain things you need to be aware of first. Come back later. Much later.


The situation in the world today is a complex one and requires insight on how to bring about the Kingdom of GOD with the least amount of destruction.

I'm quite sure God can bring about his Kingdom with exactly the amount of destruction He would desire; so stop taking God's job. Also, if you are the only thing delaying the Kingdom of God, then you yourself are responsible for the needless suffering of people all over the world that continues today. If you can end all that by bringing the Kingdom of God to Earth, do it today. Every day you delay is more needless suffering; and it is your responsibility. Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.


One point must be made clear ---I am not here to debate-BUT to declare.

You are here, because you said you would perform a miracle and win Randi's million, and change the world. You have not; thus your declarations are irrelevant. Get it over with, or admit that you cannot and move on.

So thank you Jonathan for opening the door to enable me to further my agenda.

My pleasure. I think your agenda doesn't need anyone opening or closing doors. If your agenda is to put forward belief in your God, you are failing. If your agenda is to sew doubt in your God, you are suceeding masterfully. Get the event over with, or admit that you cannot and move on. Please.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10101


Jonathan

-It doesn't matter what I believe. What matters is what I can prove.-

-The man who politely chased off Bethke-
-Until Bethke made his not altogether unexpected reappearence, still completely in the 'failure' category...-

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Jonathan

Quote
-It doesn't matter what I believe. What matters is what I can prove.-

-The man who politely chased off Bethke-
-Until Bethke made his not altogether unexpected reappearence, still completely in the 'failure' category...-

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Reply
As I have previously said your comments are of great value-----When I read them I realise how utterly ridiculous I must be.
Many people see themselves only through their own narrow-minded perceptions and I appear to be one of them.

For instance if I had a following they would have long gone------
That seems to be the case with what Jesus said about his return---Well as yet he ain’t arrived.

So at present the verdict must be procrastination or non-existence---Stupidity or strategy.

Better late than never---OR------ just in time.

Regards
Paul

[UnrepentantSinner]

I'm utterly amazed that you all are still giving this troll's hooks a bite. At least Franko and Jedi Knight weren't one trick ponys. Maybe if Paul promises to give everyone bunions are some sort of gastro-intestinal distress he can liven up his act a bit.

[Charlie in Dayton]

PeaBrain! Dude! Long time no oculate!

I know this is no surprise that Thursday is once again upon us---From Thursday to Thursday. Actually it is Friday here when it is Thursday in the USA as if you did not know that.
You and Gene Gene The TimeCube Guy need to confer...

My weekly reminder of my prediction ----Now you out yonder can never say I did not tell you of my intentions in ADVANCE-----
Well, yes, that's true...except you've gone from telling us in advance of definite dates when nothing happened, to telling us in advance of indeterminate dates when nothing is going to happen.

There is one thing about the prophecies recorded in the Scriptures they were always told in advance EVEN though it was some time in advance.
Yeah, some time...but it's never specified when 'some time' is.

Habakkuk 1:5--“Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe,even if you were told.
You know what would utterly amaze me? To have you admit you're full of it, and then shut up and go away until the cows come home.

Eighty some-odd weeks? (And yes, in PeaBrain's case, they were odd weeks...) How many failed claims and/or missed deadlines? Over forty, now?

Hey, T'ai Chi -- your meta-analytical skills are required. C'mon over here and figger out why PeaBrain can't do what he says he can do, OK? Thankew, thankew...
:confused:

[The Don]

Originally posted by DaChew


And by "exciting and challenging sport" I'm mean: A good excuse to drink beer and sit around.

Both as a spectator and a competitor......

And remember, one game can last up to 5 days :D

[T'ai Chi]

Originally posted by Charlie in Dayton

Hey, T'ai Chi -- your meta-analytical skills are required. C'mon over here and figger out why PeaBrain can't do what he says he can do, OK?


Anytime you want to actually talk about some real Statistics and science instead of bull sessions, let me know.

[RonSceptic]

Originally posted by The Don


Both as a spectator and a competitor......

And remember, one game can last up to 5 days :D

Yes, five days and the most common outcome is a draw. Imagine that....... five days and still no winner. What a sport!:cool:

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Habakkuk 1:5--“Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed.
For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe,
even if you were told.

So now you have been told
I have figured out the prophecy!

Paul Bethke is predicting THE NEWS! Yes, every single day for months and months now, I have watched THE NEWS. I see bombings, killings, false prophets, the Catholic Church, false prophets, Iraq, Al-qaida, terrorism, false prophets, and so much more on THE NEWS everyday. I am amazed!

September 11, 2001, I heard from the other kids that planes had flown into the WTC towers. I did not believe it, I really did not believe it. Then I saw it on the news, it amazed me. I saw it on THE NEWS. Of course, the prophecy doesnt apply to me because I live in the US, but I'm sure our overseas friends were nonethemore amazed. Wow, this same prophecy can be applied everywhere, all the time, all over the place...

I heard from the kids at the school that a bomb killed 80 people in Israel recently. I thought they were making it up. Sure enough, I saw it on THE NEWS later that same night. Just look at the flexibility of this prophecy.

Evildave provides a regular update to his "Ugly Religion in the News" thread. Amazing isnt it. Quite amazing the way THE NEWS works!

Could it be that another event could happen, perhaps very soon, perhaps on THE NEWS...

[DaChew]

And remember, one game can last up to 5 days

5 Days? That's crazy. I don't have anywhere near that kind of attention span. Not for one game anyway. Do they play in 8 hour shifts or something?

[The Don]

Originally posted by DaChew


5 Days? That's crazy. I don't have anywhere near that kind of attention span. Not for one game anyway. Do they play in 8 hour shifts or something?

Hours of play in the current game

10:45 - 12:45 Morning session of play

12:45 - 13:25 Lunch

13:25 - 15:25 Afternoon session of play

15:25 - 15:45 Tea

15:45 - 17:45 Post tea session of play


The finish can be later - a minimum of 540 pitches have to be be completed in the day

[De_Bunk]

Paul...

I was blind..but now i can see...

You must have been reading the prophecy upside down...

DOH..!


DB

[Paul Bethke]

Hi Bunky
Quote
Paul...

I was blind..but now i can see...

You must have been reading the prophecy upside down...

DOH..!

Reply
This sounds like a define case of Amazing Grace.

Cheers
Paul

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Yahwee

Quote
Could it be that another event could happen, perhaps very soon, perhaps on THE NEWS...


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Reply
The things you talk about is daily NEWS----The things I speak of is AWESOME NEWS.

Hence the need to prepare the folks here-----Something along this LINE---
Luke 21:25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.
26 Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 When these things BEGIN TO TAKE PLACE, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

So you SEE Yahwee—you are only a wee god, these things may not be known by you—So I announce them in ADVANCE.

Regards
Paul

[RonSceptic]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

This sounds like a define case of Amazing Grace.


Oh Boy. LOL. Nice to see that 83 weeks of failure haven't dented you sense of humour.

[Soapy Sam]

You know, life is full of amazing things.
Just the other day, I was watching SKY news, when the (very pretty) news reading lady looked me straight in the eye and said
"YOU ARE WATCHING SKY NEWS!"

Now explain to me, all you hardline skeptics;-
How could she KNOW that?

Amazing.

[De_Bunk]

Soapy..

That is so spooky..

She said it to me as well....

But then again i know she is giving secret signals that she loves me through the TV...

I think i'll write her another 50 letters and send her some used underwear...

De_Not an insane Stalker_Bunk

[jj]

Originally posted by De_Bunk
Paul...

I was blind..but now i can see...

You must have been reading the prophecy upside down...

DOH..!


DB

So, was it amazing grace (and how much did you have to spend)
or was it A Grazing Mace :)


All sing now:

A grazing Mace
How sweet the sound
That fell'd a wretch like thee
Thou once were up, but now you're down
You skull in shambles be ...

:D

[Zep]

I feel like I've walked in in the middle of the play. So what the hell predictions or prophecies or whatever is PB making??? I'm sure I don't follow his "reasoning" in THIS thread anyway.

PS. We don't have "pitches" in cricket, we have "balls". In bunches of six called "overs," although once upon a time in some places they were in bunches of eight (still called overs though). It gets more complicated, but I would have to start drawing pictures and stuff... And by the time we got to the more arcane bits like "short backward square leg," "gardening the pitch," and "bowling a googlie," unless you were one of the Illuminati you would be completely lost.

[Iamme]

I can see it all now. Randi turns into nervous wreck. Develops heart disease as predicted by Sylvia Browne. Then, he goes completely besides himself, and his blood pressure skyrockets, bursting many needed vessels in his retinas and he goes blind. Paul comes to collect, but alas...JR has beat Paul to a Benny Hinn crusade, where JR becomes miraculously healed...and JR no longer is a skeptic, and becomes an 'Indian giver', regarding the million dollar challenge!:roll:

[Ladewig]

May I ask a favor, Paul Bethke?

Please use the quotation codes when replying to other people's posts.
All you have to do is use the [ ] thingies around the word quote, like this [quote ] and then use the the slash to end the quoted material [/quote ]

[espritch]

This merry-go-round, it whirls and twirls -
it spins itself round and around.
The horses go up, the horses go down,
neither flying nor touching the ground.

The music is cheerful, our harts they feel light,
as onward and onward we ride!
We say to ourselves, “What a wondrous race,
with nobody gaining nor loosing a stride!”

But when the end comes and the ride’s finally done
the smiles quickly fade from our face,
For despite all our hurling through time and through space,
we’ve ended right back in the same damned place.

Honestly Paul, it’s time to get off this silly ride.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Reply
The things you talk about is daily NEWS----The things I speak of is AWESOME NEWS.
I never want to live in a world where a 9/11 event happened daily...

Awesome News... what makes this different from daily news. Can you point out at least one example of awesome news so I know what you are talking about.

Hence the need to prepare the folks here-----Something along this LINE---
Luke 21:25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.
26 Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 When these things BEGIN TO TAKE PLACE, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
First, dont take the bible literally. Trying to find casual correlation between the bible and non-fairytale land will get you no where.

Second, you've stumbled onto a contradiction whereas the bible cant decide whether it approves or disproves of astrology.

From Jeremiah 10:2 (example of condemning Astrology)
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

And your own quote from Luke 21:25 (example of approving Astrology)
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars.


Third, if you take the bible literally you should already know you're going to fry in hell. It says so in Deuteronomy 18:12
There shall not be found among you any ... that useth divination, or an observer of times.... For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD.


So you SEE Yahwee—you are only a wee god, these things may not be known by you—So I announce them in ADVANCE.
Wee god? You do not know anything that I cant know. You are not greater than god. I BOW DOWN TO NO ONE! I REFUSE TO BOW DOWN!

And its spelt, Yahweh. If you claim to be a prophet, SPELL IT RIGHT!

[max]

I went blind on thursday

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by max
I went blind on thursday
Put your hands over you eyes, its practically the same...

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Yahwee

Quote
Wee god? You do not know anything that I cant know. You are not greater than god. I BOW DOWN TO NO ONE! I REFUSE TO BOW DOWN!

And its spelt, Yahweh. If you claim to be a prophet, SPELL IT RIGHT!


Reply
You are Yahwee a wee god nothing but a man or woman I don’t know.--

Have you ever read Joshua 10 where Joshua by his faith stops the sun---Let me quiote it to you--

Joshua 10:12-- On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: “O sun, stand still over Gibeon,
O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 SO THE SUN STOOD STILL, AND THE MOON STOPPED, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
14 There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the LORD LISTENED TO A MAN. Surely the LORD (YAHWEH) was fighting for Israel!
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Quote

Third, if you take the bible literally you should already know you're going to fry in hell. It says so in Deuteronomy 18:12
quote:

There shall not be found among you any ... that useth divination, or an observer of times.... For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD.


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The account of Joshua is literal—I am not talking about stargazing I am talking about repeating the LITERAL EVENTS that took place as recorded in the Scriptures.

Let me give you another literal event----

Isaiah 38:7-- This is the LORD’s (YAHWEH) sign to you that the LORD will do what He has promised: I will make the shadow cast by the sun go back the ten steps it has gone down on the stairway of Ahaz.’” So the sunlight went back the ten steps it had gone down.

So you see Yahwee these are literal events like the Randi &Co event.

I hope you are better informed—Ignorance is not bliss.

Regards
Saint Paul

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Reply
You are Yahwee a wee god nothing but a man or woman I don’t know.--
I've got pair of bullocks and wife, I'm a dude. And it is spelt Y-A-H-W-E-H.

Have you ever read Joshua 10 where Joshua by his faith stops the sun---Let me quiote it to you--

Joshua 10:12-- On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: “O sun, stand still over Gibeon,
O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 SO THE SUN STOOD STILL, AND THE MOON STOPPED, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
14 There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the LORD LISTENED TO A MAN. Surely the LORD (YAHWEH) was fighting for Israel!
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You've stepped into Snopes country. Here's an article about that pesky Missing Day (http://www.snopes.com/religion/lostday.htm). Status of Legend: False.

Scientific evidence this event never occurred, and scientific evidence of another historical inaccuracy in the bible.

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The account of Joshua is literal—I am not talking about stargazing I am talking about repeating the LITERAL EVENTS that took place as recorded in the Scriptures.
That event never took place, its a myth.

Let me give you another literal event----

Isaiah 38:7-- This is the LORD’s (YAHWEH) sign to you that the LORD will do what He has promised: I will make the shadow cast by the sun go back the ten steps it has gone down on the stairway of Ahaz.’” So the sunlight went back the ten steps it had gone down.
See Snopes article.

So you see Yahwee these are literal events like the Randi &Co event.

I hope you are better informed—Ignorance is not bliss.
I know my way around the bible, taking the bible literally is ignorant. I am not ignorant, I refuse to bow down.

Regards
Saint Paul
Sainthood is bestowed upon by a Bishop or Pope. Prerequisites to be a Saint require a minimum of 2 confirmed miracles. Self proclamed Saints are looked down upon by the Catholic Church.

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Ladewig

May I ask a favor, Paul Bethke?

Please use the quotation codes when replying to other people's posts.
All you have to do is use the [ ] thingies around the word quote, like this [quote ] and then use the the slash to end the quoted material [/quote ]


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The method I use is copy and paste-----I copy from the Forum and paste it to a word program and work from there----So I cannot use these [ ] thingies----Is there any other favours I can do for you?

Cheers
Paul

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Again Yahwee


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You've stepped into Snopes country. Here's an article about that pesky Missing Day. Status of Legend: False.

Scientific evidence this event never occurred, and scientific evidence of another historical inaccuracy in the bible.
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Me I am not interested in scientific evidence---Because to prove the validity of the Scriptures I merely repeat the events---So seeing is believing-----


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I know my way around the bible, taking the bible literally is ignorant. I am not ignorant, I refuse to bow down.

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Well Mr Yahwee I choose to be ignorant—And accept the simple facts of Scripture

So again as I have stated many times I will repeat every miracle that is recorded in the Scripture-.

Cheers
Saint Paul the Great.

[Ed]

Hey Paul. How's it hangin'?

Listen, I know you want to blind people for various devout reasons. That is cool. But might I suggest a better twist on it? I am thinking marketing here, you know, to get your point accross.

I suggest that you blind people who are irritating. You might start with Lucianarchy. I am sure that there are a number of others right here that would fill the bill perfectly. On a broader stage I would suggest:

1) Carrottop (a US "personality", if you ever see him you will agree that he deserves both a blinding and a sound thrashing on principle) see him here :http://www.carrottop.com/

2)Gallager .. he outstayed his welcome decades ago
Blind him here (http://gallaghersmash.com/)

3)Hillary Clinton. Prim and pissy. A fornication enabler. Mark her down for a beating too.

4)Archbishop Law, late of Boston. Really, really thinks that pedophilia is less bad than priests violating their vow of chastity. Mark him down for a sound beating too.

5)Johnny Nash ... Sang that song "I Can See Clearly Now", He might be an OK guy, I just think that it would be ironic.

6)Stevie Wonder ... A guarenteed hit for you.

7)Ray Charles ... Ditto

8)Michael Jackson ... On general principles. Also, he could play the lead in "The Ray Charles Story"

9)Barbra Streisand. Administer a beating, blind her, then beat her again.

10)Pat Robertson ... Just irony is all.

11)Sean Hannity ... Smug, irritating Irish bastard (http://hannity.com/). You probably don't know him but check out his picture, that should convince you.

12)Whoever is responsible for automated call answering at corporations. Beat them too.

13) Whoever records the messages on -12-, above.

Well, that should keep you busy. The sooner the better.

[Paul Bethke]

Hello espritch
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Honestly Paul, it’s time to get off this silly ride.
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Men go crazy in congregations. They only get better one by one. - Sting


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Just a wee while longer it will be worth it!

Cheers
Paul

[Paul Bethke]

Howdy Ed Fella

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Listen, I know you want to blind people for various devout reasons. That is cool. But might I suggest a better twist on it? I am thinking marketing here, you know, to get your point accross.

I suggest that you blind people who are irritating. You might start with Lucianarchy. I am sure that there are a number of others right here that would fill the bill perfectly. On a broader stage I would suggest:


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Well this blinding is not a vendetta.
Them folks on your LIST is your business---You being the deity that you are should be able to take care of them yourself---

Regards
Paul

[Ed]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Howdy Ed Fella

Quote
Listen, I know you want to blind people for various devout reasons. That is cool. But might I suggest a better twist on it? I am thinking marketing here, you know, to get your point accross.

I suggest that you blind people who are irritating. You might start with Lucianarchy. I am sure that there are a number of others right here that would fill the bill perfectly. On a broader stage I would suggest:


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Well this blinding is not a vendetta.
Them folks on your LIST is your business---You being the deity that you are should be able to take care of them yourself---

Regards
Paul

I HAVE, PAUL. But all I can conjure up at the moment is a bad case of halitosis. Come on, be a bud and work the old ocular voodoo on 'em. Actually, if you would do the Moscow Ballet in the middle of a performance it would be both good advertising for you and highly amusing for the audience.

[Ed]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Howdy Ed Fella

Them folks on your LIST is your business---

Them is, is they?

I humbly suggest that Carrottop is everyone's business.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello Again Yahwee

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Me I am not interested in scientific evidence---Because to prove the validity of the Scriptures I merely repeat the events---So seeing is believing-----
So, have you chosen the shallow "I stick my head in the ground and ignore everything around me" or is the old "I dont understand, so I guess I'll believe in the bible" or possibly an Option #3 that I have missed.

Seeing is believeing... kinda. Thats only the first process in empirical observation. Also, not a single paranormal event in the bible has been recreated, not even when people pray really really hard. If you cant repeat any of the paranormal events in the scriptures, go ahead and try. I predict you will fail.

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Well Mr Yahwee I choose to be ignorant—And accept the simple facts of Scripture
I dont believe in mythology. The Scripture = Mythology. The Scripture is worth no more Greek Mythology. It has no more substance the The Lord Of The Rings (I bet you can find a couple of fanboys who have also taken that book literally... idiots).

My name is Yahweh. It is spelt "Yahweh".

So again as I have stated many times I will repeat every miracle that is recorded in the Scripture-.
If you do repeat a single Miracle, show it to Mr. Randi, win the prize, and donate it to your favorite Church group... unless you are selfish and refuse to win the prize...

Cheers
Saint Paul the Great.
To be a Saint, you need to have performed a minimum of 2 confirmed miracles. To add the Surname "the Great" requires that you are either a magician or a traveler.

[Zep]

Oh, for Ed's sake, Bethke! Will you please either get on with it and blind people or go back to your monastry.

[Paul Bethke]

Hello again Mr Yahwee

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dont believe in mythology. The Scripture = Mythology. The Scripture is worth no more Greek Mythology. It has no more substance the The Lord Of The Rings (I bet you can find a couple of fanboys who have also taken that book literally... idiots).



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This is the whole purpose that I have come onto this Forum is to demonstrate that what was recorded in the Scriptures did occur---And to prove that, I will systematically repeat them.

So until the time is right---You Mr Yahwee and the many others will just have to wait.


To be a Saint the following is required-- Re 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s Commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

To be great --- Matthew 5:19--- But whoever practices and teaches these Commands will be CALLED GREAT in the kingdom of heaven.



Cheers
The Great Saint Paul

[Zep]

OK, Bethke. Please tell us when the Bible says that you will start blinding people. Does it actually say that? If so, exactly where - chapter and verse, please. No vague times about whenever you think it will be and so on.

If you can't tell us when you will do these miracles then we will simply have to believe that you cannot until then. No-one here believes you, not even the ones who believe in the Bible. You are fooling yourself alone.

And until you start actually DOING something, I'm not coming back to talk to you. But I'm sure that would be no problem for you.

cheers
Zep

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
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This is the whole purpose that I have come onto this Forum is to demonstrate that what was recorded in the Scriptures did occur---And to prove that, I will systematically repeat them.
Systematically repeat them, at last count you were batting 0. I'm willing to bet the number will always remain 0. You will never repeat any more than 0 miracles, because miracles cannot exist (do to the fact they would be required to escape the laws of physics, nothing can exist outside of physics).

So until the time is right---You Mr Yahwee and the many others will just have to wait.
(My name is "Mr. Yahweh", please I've corrected you a few times already, would you mind acknowledging.)

Waiting is unacceptable.

If I remember correctly (which I dont because I was not a member of the forum at the time), you said the following things:
Anyway just to remind you that October 2002 will be the date—There are five Thursdays in the month---So don’t worry.

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In addition to this I will at the same time blind some 49 others who have volunteered and who are on the LIST.
This will take place simultaneously at 9:30 PM on Thursday half an hour into the Randi show.

(Source: http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8271)

You stated you were going to blind Mr. Randi and several others on October of 2002 after the Randi show (I should add that this might fall into the catergory of "Posts that demonstrate a clear and present danger to the welfare of another person").

From the same thread you stated:

No that would be impossible because I am the only person on this earth who has got the faith to do this
Well, look behind you. Do you see my wife holding a cute little bunny? Come on, any person of true faith could see my wife's astral projection behind them holding an adorable bunny, any person of faith will know what she looks like without ever having to had seen her before also.

I dont believe you have enough faith to perform this miracle. Or perhaps your faith is ill-founded.

Just for props, Jeremiah 5:12-13 says God will kill those who believe and preach the wrong doctrines. Of course, these charlatans have been around for years and years and years, God should get up off his cosmic hammock and fulfill this empty prophecy otherwise it remains just another blemish in the oh-so-errant Bible.

To be a Saint the following is required-- Re 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s Commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
Sorry, you are omitting a small portion of Revelations 14:12, this could cause confusion. Revelations 14:12 reads "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus". It makes reference to current saints (meaning have performed two confirmed miracles), it says nothing of the kind of becoming a saint.

To be great --- Matthew 5:19--- But whoever practices and teaches these Commands will be CALLED GREAT in the kingdom of heaven.
Funny you should mention Matthew 5:19, it houses one of the most crippling contradictions written in the bible: Must the Old Testament laws be followed? 5:18 In this verse, Jesus says that the Old Testament laws are binding on everyone forever. But in Luke (16:16) he says they were binding only until the time of John the Baptist. And Paul (Rom.7:4, 6; Eph.2:15) insists that Christians are free to completely disregard the Old Testament laws. Notice also that Jesus says here that the earth will not last forever, but elsewhere the bible says it will. It appears the bible cant agree to disagree.

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Mr Yahwee

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Just for props, Jeremiah 5:12-13 says God will kill those who believe and preach the wrong doctrines. Of course, these charlatans have been around for years and years and years, God should get up off his cosmic hammock and fulfill this empty prophecy otherwise it remains just another blemish in the oh-so-errant Bible.

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Well at least you seem to acknowledge God?---
How else would we know what God was like unless He revealed Himself to us.
And that is exactly where the Scriptures become that revelation.

It is through that revelation that I have gained my insight into the will of GOD.

Here is one for you to consider--- Ps 147:5 He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power.

Now understanding the will of GOD gives me the insight into how to fulfil those (“empty prophecy otherwise it remains just another blemish in the oh-so-errant Bible”) as you call them.

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Sorry, you are omitting a small portion of Revelations 14:12, this could cause confusion. Revelations 14:12 reads "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus". It makes reference to current saints (meaning have performed two confirmed miracles), it says nothing of the kind of becoming a saint.


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Who OBEY God’s Commandments and remain FAITHFUL to Jesus. These are the Saints.


Originally posted by Paul Bethke

To be great --- Matthew 5:19--- But whoever practices and teaches these Commands will be CALLED GREAT in the kingdom of heaven.


Funny you should mention Matthew 5:19, it houses one of the most crippling contradictions written in the bible: Must the Old Testament laws be followed? 5:18 In this verse, Jesus says that the Old Testament laws are binding on everyone forever. But in Luke (16:16) he says they were binding only until the time of John the Baptist. And Paul (Rom.7:4, 6; Eph.2:15) insists that Christians are free to completely disregard the Old Testament laws. Notice also that Jesus says here that the earth will not last forever, but elsewhere the bible says it will. It appears the bible cant agree to disagree.


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I am glad to see that you regard this as ONE of most crippling contradictions written in the bible.
Because Mr Yahwee this is ONE of the most profound statements made by Jesus, and not to understand this---is not to understand anything!

After my debut I will explain it—Because it is very simple in its complexity.


Cheers
The Great Saint Paul or Saint Paul the Great.

[Ed]

Originally posted by Yahweh



You gotta love Paul, he is an inspired nut. Vintage JREF. You should have seen him when he was in his prime.

[Colloden]

Originally posted by Ed


You gotta love Paul, he is an inspired nut. Vintage JREF. You should have seen him when he was in his prime.

He never had a prime. He’s always been a hopeless dead-loss.
I remember fondly someone’s story about Paul the drunken bum out to save people. “I’ll go to the JREF forum, they’ll believe me”. :roll:
All sing along now - “Troll out the barrels, we’ll have a barrel of fun……….”

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

Well this blinding is not a vendetta. That's right. For Paul, this blinding is all about the money.

What is it, Paul? $10K to unblind everyone you blind with God's power? Is that your extortion deal?

edited to add:
I forget, which "Paul" are we on now?

[jj]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Howdy Ed Fella

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Listen, I know you want to blind people for various devout reasons. That is cool. But might I suggest a better twist on it? I am thinking marketing here, you know, to get your point accross.

I suggest that you blind people who are irritating. You might start with Lucianarchy. I am sure that there are a number of others right here that would fill the bill perfectly. On a broader stage I would suggest:


Reply:--
Well this blinding is not a vendetta.
Them folks on your LIST is your business---You being the deity that you are should be able to take care of them yourself---

Regards
Paul
Paul, use the "quote" button when replying from now on, your replies are even more incoherent than your basic personality requires.

And please get help, if you're not some troll impersonating Bethke...

[jj]

Originally posted by Ed


You gotta love Paul, he is an inspired nut. Vintage JREF. You should have seen him when he was in his prime.

Is anyone but me wondering if this is a pale trollish imitation of the original? This one looks to be being purposefully comic in some places, as opposed to the original who appeared dead-pscyho serious.

[Colloden]

Originally posted by jj


Is anyone but me wondering if this is a pale trollish imitation of the original? This one looks to be being purposefully comic in some places, as opposed to the original who appeared dead-pscyho serious.

This Bethke is a poor copy of the original.
Someone suggested (De_Bunk I think) the original was a high school kid in America.
It is possible, if that belief is correct, he or she has passed the ‘game’ onto someone else.

[Marvel Frozen]

I was wondering if this guy was serious too. Can anybody really, truly be this loony?

[T'ai Chi]

Originally posted by Colloden

...the original was a high school kid in America.


That is a good guess for any troll. :)

[Paul Bethke]

Hello—hello ALL out yonder

I am the original---Just changed my approach lately—What’s the difference whichever way I say it—It remains the same.
The difference is that I do not have the same amount of time as before.
May be as I see it I have learnt to take what comes because I know what is going to happen.

BTW I see that the language has improved on the Randi Forum---Sort of cleaned up somewhat.
Like I once said even ED god is polite---Peter S is like an? No more cursing.
Its like a ? Everyone so nice to everyone.

Ok we are not far off now---seven months and we have elections—So I am getting things ready for then.
A sort of surprise for the opposition—
The Randi event should shake them a bit! Thereafter the big ones.

The exciting thing is that you will ALL be a part of it when this happens---Told in advance.

Regards
Paul

[Ed]

Originally posted by T'ai Chi


That is a good guess for any troll. :)

Irony meter busted, again.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Marvel Frozen
I was wondering if this guy was serious too. Can anybody really, truly be this loony?
Sadly, yes.

[Ed]

Originally posted by Tricky

Sadly, yes.

Yes.

[LFTKBS]

Paul, let me just point out that even if you are using a word processor, you should be able to type brackets so that you can quote. On my keyboard, they're to the right of the "p" and the left of the "\". It's weird to have half of your posts make sense until I realize that you're pasting someone else's words.

[Ladewig]

Ladewig-

Please use the quotation codes when replying to other people's posts.
All you have to do is use the [ ] thingies around the word quote, like this and then use the the slash to end the quoted material [/quote ]


Paul Bethke-
The method I use is copy and paste-----I copy from the Forum and paste it to a word program and work from there----So I cannot use these [ ] thingies----Is there any other favours I can do for you?


You are in luck, Paul Bethke. It is extremely simply to add the quotation codes to any word processing program. All you have to do is use the brackets [] around the word "quote" as you type in your word program. Simiarly, ending your quotation with is all you have to do to mark the end of the quote. The codes will be visible as you compose your response, but once you paste it into the "post reply' box, the message board will automatically format the quotations.

If you want to get extra fancy, you can use to make text italicize and to mark text as bold (again using the and to mark the end of the specialized text).

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello Mr Yahwee
Yahweh.

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Well at least you seem to acknowledge God?---
Minimally, I acknowledge the fact that I could be wrong (in Philosophy you would call that "Actualism").

Second, I'm using the bible as a reference, I am in no way acknowledging the existence of God. I'd appreciate it if you didnt twist my words (or invent your own words and call them mine) to make it seem that I said or implied something that I didnt. I am very blunt. I say what I say, no hidden agendas.

How else would we know what God was like unless He revealed Himself to us.
Logical Flaw: You are guilty of committing the common logical error known as "Cum hoc ergo propter hoc" (in English, it refers to "being presumptuous"). This logical fallacy asserts that because two events occur together, they must be causally related. It's a fallacy because it ignores other factors that may be the cause(s) of the events.

Example: "Literacy rates have steadily declined since the advent of television. Clearly television viewing impedes learning."

You cannot logically assert that we know of God because its was recorded that he revealed himself to us.

You've also commited yet another logical fallacy in the same sentence. This fallacy is known as "Non causa pro causa" (in English, it also refers to being presumptuous but in another way).

Example: "I took an aspirin and prayed to God, and my headache disappeared. So God cured me of the headache."

You cannot logically assert that our knowledge of God definitively means he revealed himself to us.

And that is exactly where the Scriptures become that revelation.

It is through that revelation that I have gained my insight into the will of GOD.
Another Logical Flaw: Irrelevant conclusion. The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do with that conclusion.

Example: For example, a Christian may begin by saying that he will argue that the teachings of Christianity are undoubtedly true. If he then argues at length that Christianity is of great help to many people, no matter how well he argues he will not have shown that Christian teachings are true.

You state that you have gained insight into the will of god, yet your above statements have nothing logical to do with your conclusion.

Here is one for you to consider--- Ps 147:5 He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power.
A cite from Psalms... From what I've gathered, you seem to take the Old Testament and New Testament to be roughly equal. But if you did that, you would conclude that the teachings of the Old Testament have no substance (see those Bible quotes I cited in my last post). But the bible did self-contradict itself all over the place, so it doesnt really matter if you take the Old Testament seriously or not...

Now understanding the will of GOD gives me the insight into how to fulfil those (“empty prophecy otherwise it remains just another blemish in the oh-so-errant Bible”) as you call them.
My understanding of Philosophy, Physics, the bible itself, and common sense tells me you will not fulfill any prophecy.

All things in the universe can be explained in terms of matter and physical phenomena, nothing can exist outside of the laws of physics. That is reasoning to suggest that you will not succeed in fulfilling any prophecy or miracle. Unless you perform something that can be explained in terms of matter and exists within the laws of physics, it is not a miracle.


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Who OBEY God’s Commandments and remain FAITHFUL to Jesus. These are the Saints.
I think you are incorrectly defining the word "Saint".

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I am glad to see that you regard this as ONE of most crippling contradictions written in the bible.
Because Mr Yahwee this is ONE of the most profound statements made by Jesus, and not to understand this---is not to understand anything!
To clarify, it is crippling in the way that the New Testament tells you to disregard the Old Testament. In essence, its a form of "picking and choosing" or "selectively believing" the parts of the bible that you want to believe. I see it quite unusual to throw out the entire Old Testament of Christianity, I consider that crippling to the Christian faith.

After my debut I will explain it—Because it is very simple in its complexity.
I'm optimistic...

[diddidit]

Originally posted by Ladewig
May I ask a favor, Paul Bethke?

Please use the quotation codes when replying to other people's posts.
All you have to do is use the [ ] thingies around the word quote, like this [quote ] and then use the the slash to end the quoted material [/quote ]

But that would remove so much of the charm, like the backwards "R" in Toys "R" Vastly Overpriced...

did

[ImpyTimpy]

I seriously doubt this is the original Paul.

[Paul Bethke]

Test passed==

[Paul Bethke]

Ok Folks looks like I have something going here. I will edit the testing thingie later

This is quite a set up. . BUT I still have to copy and paste these thingies.

It rakes bit longer BUT anything to please

How does one get this:------

Originally posted by Marvel Frozen
I was wondering if this guy was serious too. Can anybody really, truly be this loony?


Will edit later
Paul

[RonSceptic]

Paul,

Are you Lord Lucan?

If so, do you want to go 50/50 on publishing deal?

[homunculus]

Being the only TRUE prophet left I intend to blind Randi and fifty others who have volunteered on a Thursday at 9:30 PM Eastern Time---

Yeah but you're not the "one true prophet", I am. I've known it ever since the electro-shock therapy!

And I know this will never happen because on 6:43am on a Wednesday, Randi's head will explode!

True thing!

And he'll be lookin' around pretty good up to that point, so...

Paul.

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Mr Yahwee

To clarify, it is crippling in the way that the New Testament tells you to disregard the Old Testament. In essence, its a form of "picking and choosing" or "selectively believing" the parts of the bible that you want to believe. I see it quite unusual to throw out the entire Old Testament of Christianity, I consider that crippling to the Christian faith.


Now this is a total misconception---Jesus endorsed the Old Testament. There is nowhere in His teachings that He told anyone to disregard the Old Testament.

Faith in Christ is based on obeying the Old Testament.

Example
Mark 10:17-As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “WHAT MUST I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?”
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

19 YOU KNOW THE COMMANDMENTS: ‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.’”
“Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”


There are many other New Testament injunctions to adhere to the Old Testament BUT this is paramount to receiving eternal life.

Let me explain it clearly----There is no Old Testament and New Testament it should be understood AS: - The Old way into the Covenant and thew New way into the Covenant.
The Covenant will ALWAYS stay the same.

The Covenant being the Laws of GOD!

Genesis 21:33 Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called upon the name of the LORD, THE ETERNAL GOD.

Psalm 119:160 All your words are true; all your righteous LAWS ARE ETERNAL

Hebrews 13:20 May the God of peace, who through the blood of the ETERNAL COVENANT brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep,

Extract from American Atheist Press
Reading the Old Testament

For 150 years the Christian Bible consisted of the sacred books of the Jews. The New Testament was not formed until the latter half of the second century when Irenaeus selected twenty books from among forty or more gospels, nearly as many acts of apostles, a score of revelations and a hundred epistles. Why were these particular books chosen? Why four gospels instead of one? Irenaeus: "There are four quarters of the earth in which we live and four universal winds." The gospels were unknown to Peter, Paul, and the early church fathers. They were forged later.

So if this is the case----What did Jesus teach from if not from the Old Testament Scriptures---Another factor is that there are two hundred and fifty chapters in the so called New Testament and two hundred and nine of them refer to the Old Testament so called.

I see it quite unusual to throw out the entire Old Testament of Christianity, I consider that crippling to the Christian faith

Christianity is man made which consists of more than thirty three thousand denominations around the world who have NO UNITY AMONGST THEMSELVES---

Faith in Jesus as the Christ is to keep the Commandments of GOD which Paul the Apostle endorsed---
Consider:-
1 Corinthians 7:19-- Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. KEEPING GOD’S COMMANDS IS WHAT COUNTS.

So what Jesus stated the world will disappear before the Commands. ---

Luke 16:16-- “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed UNTIL JOHN. (Old Covenant). Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.
IT IS EASIER FOR HEAVEN AND EARTH TO DISAPPEAR THAN FOR THE LEAST STROKE OF A PEN TO DROP OUT OF THE LAW.
“Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

The Apostle Paul states in Romans 3:19 -- Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and ----
THE WHOLE WORLD HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO GOD.
20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, THROUGH THE LAW WE BECOME CONSCIOUS OF SIN.

Lastly Paul again states in :-
Romans 2:17---- Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and brag about your relationship to God;
18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law;
19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark,
an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, BECAUSE YOU HAVE IN THE LAW THE EMBODIMENT OF KNOWLEDGE AND TRUTH
21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal?
22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law?
24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”
25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised.
26 If those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised?
27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

There is no other way to become a follower of Christ other than to embrace the Law of GOD.

Having posted ALL this which in fact I have done before and tried out (those thingies []) I will edit my two previous post of testing so as not to waste space.

Go well Yahwee

Saint Paul

[Zep]

And the Volkswagen manual saith unto the people: Lo! I am the one and only Volkswagen manual! All the other ones are but pale immitations of me! Readeth them not or you shall feel my wrath.

But the people were sore afraid, and did not listen to the words of the Volkswagen manual. And the went forth and bought other manuals. And so they read them also.

And lo, it turned out that the other manuals were pretty much just as good as the original, although in cheaper binding. And the manuals said pretty much the same thing. And it was just a car anyway.

And the wrath of the Volkswagen manual did not come down on them after all. And the people then realised that they had all been a bit silly and they lived in peace for ever after.

[RonSceptic]

But does that mean you are Lord Lucan?

[Paul Bethke]

Hello RonSceptic
Muse

But does that mean you are Lord Lucan?

Nope I ain’t that fella –wwwho is he anyway? ---Who is his closet relative?
Does he keep the Commands?
Does he fly an aeroplane?

Cheers
Paul

[RonSceptic]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello RonSceptic
Muse



Nope I ain’t that fella –wwwho is he anyway? ---Who is his closet relative?
Does he keep the Commands?
Does he fly an aeroplane?

Cheers
Paul

OK. Just checking.

No one knows what happened to Lucan after he disappeared in 1974 on the night one of his servants was found murdrered. He just vanished without trace. An ex Police officer has just written a book claiming he knows what happened, but as you will see from the attached link, he made a huge mistake.


Not Lord Lucan (http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1038395,00.html)

[Ladewig]

Now that you have mastered [/quote] and [/b], you are ready for large text and colored text. If you put "size=3" in the brackets and end the selected text with "/size" in brackets you can increase the size of the text. Similarly, "COLOR=orangered" followed by "/COLOR" (both in brackets) will allow you to add colored text to your messages.

Other color options include red, darkred, firebrick, purple, and coral.

[Colloden]

Pieces of eighty weeks by Colloden

Oh Paul, Paul, with a tale so tall.
Thursday’s child is loosing his sight,
for he plays with himself with all his might.
Cause of his fall, the fall of Paul with the tale so tall.
For his hands do the devils work, and idle hands
he has not.

“Blind ! Blind !” calls Paul of the tale so tall,
“If I’m to go blind than so shall you all !” calls Paul, Paul of the tale so tall.
And so he works on into the night, working on his tale, the tale so tall.


edited for spelling

[RonSceptic]

Originally posted by Ladewig
Now that you have mastered and , you are ready for large text and colored text. If you put "size=3" in the brackets and end the selected text with "/size" in brackets you can increase the size of the text. Similarly, "COLOR=orangered" followed by "/COLOR" (both in brackets) will allow you to add colored text to your messages.

Other color options include red, darkred, firebrick, purple, and coral. [/B][/QUOTE]


Oh No....what are you doing, man? This will result in fifty page psychadelic scripture quotes three inches high! It'll bring down the entire board!:cry:

[Paul Bethke]

OK ALL let me try out my new found skills thanks to the instructors –let us see what comes out.

Hello Colloden

Pieces of eighty weeks by Colloden

Oh Paul, Paul, with a tale so tall.
Thursday’s child is loosing his sight,
for he plays with himself with all his might.
Cause of his fall, the fall of Paul with the tale so tall.
For his hands do the devils work, and idle hands
he has not.

“Blind ! Blind !” calls Paul of the tale so tall,
“If I’m to go blind than so shall you all !” calls Paul, Paul of the tale so tall.
And so he works on into the night, working on his tale, the tale so tall.

I have no words with which to answer you at this stage---BUT later I know your poetry will reflect the truth.

Cheers
Paul

[UnrepentantSinner]

Paul, I'm sorry, but apart from a new batch of troll feeders hasn't this gotten a tad boring for you? I know that if I were trolling, and wasn't a psycho like Carlos, etc, I'd have gotten bored by now.

[Paul Bethke]

Hello UnrepentantSinner

Paul, I'm sorry, but apart from a new batch of troll feeders hasn't this gotten a tad boring for you? I know that if I were trolling, and wasn't a psycho like Carlos, etc, I'd have gotten bored by now.

You are correct in your assessment Sinner if what you perceive is correct.

It is nonsensical if I do not have an agenda---And if the end result does not justify the method I use.

My motive is very simple---I need to make contact with as many people as is possible so that when what I have planned takes place there will be a myriad of ambassadors to proclaim what I have said.

This is only one part of my scheme.

As I have said so often it will be worth it.

Regards
Paul

[RonSceptic]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
My motive is very simple---I need to make contact with as many people as is possible so that when what I have planned takes place there will be a myriad of ambassadors to proclaim what I have said.

Well you are part way there. There is already a 'myriad of ambassadors' on this board able to proclaim quite a lot about you.