Assessing The Impact Of The Truth Movement

[Dr Adequate]

Well, there are times when you've got to go with carefully controlled statistical sampling --- and there are other times when the most appropriate methodology is a googlefight (http://www.googlefight.com/).

So let's see who's hot and who's not in the world of implausible fiction.

Hans Christian Andersen is better known than Dylan Avery, Jason Bermas, Judy Wood, and James Fetzer. Fairy stories are more popular than 911 Truth. Magic spells have drawn more attention than controlled demolition. Dragons are more interesting than squibs. The phrase disguised as a plane has less currency than does turned into a frog. Pixie dust is more talked about than thermite. And Larry Silverstein is of less public interest than the big bad wolf.

MORAL: Fairytales are popular in proportion to their coherence.

[Orphia Nay]

Hehehe. :)

"Pull it" is much less popular than "abracadabra"

[Foolmewunz]

And "clunkity clunk" (1660 hits) is outscored by "open sesame" (640,000) by 500:1

[Bell]

Christophera is more popular than Killtown :boxedin:

[jhunter1163]

"Official story" beats "controlled demolition" by 230 million to 2 million.

[Jonnyclueless]

The impact to me is that one cannot google anything to do with 9/11 without having to get through 20 pages of Woo sites. I think Google should have a filter option so that anyone looking for any research on 9/11 can skip all the nonsense.

[Concept]

Alex Jones just kicked Adolf Hitler's ass...

[Thunder]

Less then 100 people at GZ on 9-11. What sort of impact does that suggest to you?

It may be that the 9-11 Truth Movemant has been successful at one thing and one thing only, and that is astronomically exaggerating their membership, strength, and popularity.

[Foolmewunz]

Alex Jones just kicked Adolf Hitler's ass...

Hey, we cudda used him in 1940!

Seriously, though.... Hitler is known by a single word. Google "Hitler" and he has twice the hits as Alex Jones.

[Mercutio]

Hey, we cudda used him in 1940!

Seriously, though.... Hitler is known by a single word. Google "Hitler" and he has twice the hits as Alex Jones.

Well, yeah, but try googling just "Jones". Obviously, the "Hitler" stats are being inflated by hits on "Bob Hitler", "Jimbo Hitler", "Hitler Dry-Cleaner and Martinizing", "Hitler's Hand-Made Ukuleles", and the like.

[T.A.M.]

I was just watching the first minute or two of the show about Cory Feldman and Corey Haime living together (not sure of the name of it)...

anyway, it turns out Feldman now has a rock/blues band that is named....

"The Truth Movement".

Oh no!!! How long before the truthers claim Feldman as another celebrity on their side...lol

TAM:)

[R.Mackey]

Wow, where has this tool been all my life? The proposal reviews I did last week would have gone so much faster...

Judy Wood and my old friend Ace Baker will be pleased to note that "beam weapon" is pummeling "thermite" by over 2 to 1.



... but not so fast. Before the "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice" plan their victory celebration, they should note that "Godzilla," as usual, crushes them by over a factor of four. Another victory for the Big Guy.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_919346ede72fc5d04.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=8362)

[steve s]

Well, yeah, but try googling just "Jones". Obviously, the "Hitler" stats are being inflated by hits on "Bob Hitler", "Jimbo Hitler", "Hitler Dry-Cleaner and Martinizing", "Hitler's Hand-Made Ukuleles", and the like.


Vic Hitler, narcoleptic comic.

25 points for the cite.

Steve S.

[steve s]

Oh no!!! How long before the truthers claim Feldman as another celebrity on their side...lol

TAM:)

I doubt even the troofers would claim him.

Steve S.

[Brainster]

Vic Hitler, narcoleptic comic.

25 points for the cite.

Steve S.

Hill Street Blues; another "get-rich-quick" scheme by the "Saloondramat" guy.

[cmcaulif]

not from googlefight, and sorry if this has come up before in previous threads, but comparing popularity of 2 theories from their most recent polls:

Americans Who Believe Elvis Is Alive 7% (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/11/opinion/polls/main518294.shtml)

MIHOP 4.6% (http://www.911truth.org/images/ZogbyPoll2007.pdf)

[steve s]

Hill Street Blues; another "get-rich-quick" scheme by the "Saloondramat" guy.

*ding*ding*ding* We have a winnah!!! Your 25 points are in the mail.

Steve S.

[plumjam]

sorry chaps,

my mother just slammed James Randi by 155 million to 2 million

[plumjam]

much joy

spit : 19.2 m
swallow : 27 m

:scared:

[OldTigerCub]

It must give one pause to know that even a Star Trek convention has higher standards of credibility than the average troother gathering.
I'm gonna beam up now.:D

[PhantomWolf]

Bleah, we should be dealing with serious things, like "Star Wars" kicking "Star Trek" 8:1

[Bell]

My dad can beat all your dads :p

[stilicho]

Osama Bin Laden over Lee Harvey Oswald by 3:1. CIA ekes out a victory over the FBI. Bohemian Grove smashes Oneonta, NY almost 34:1.

[jhunter1163]

"New World Order" beats "Truth Movement" 835 million to 22.5 million.

[Mercutio]

"New World Order" beats "Truth Movement" 835 million to 22.5 million.
"bowel movement" beats "truth movement", 1,180,000 to 495,000. (I used quotes for both.)

[Foster Zygote]

Vic Hitler, narcoleptic comic.

25 points for the cite.

Steve S.

Now there's a reference I've not heard in a loooong time.:D

[scooby]

Hey, we cudda used him in 1940!

Seriously, though.... Hitler is known by a single word. Google "Hitler" and he has twice the hits as Alex Jones.

Oh google, don't go there man.

Do you know if you google - fascism "adolf hitler" - you only get 581,000 hits?

fascism "george bush" - 1,360,000
fascism "dick cheney" - 888,000
fascism "tony blair" - 757,000
fascism "donald rumsfeld" - 471,000

Ethnic cleansing?

ethnic cleansing "adolf hitler" - 149,000
ethnic cleansing "tony blair" - 262,000
ethnic cleansing "bill clinton" - 311,000
ethnic cleansing "george bush" - 403,000

Genocidal maniac?

genocidal maniac "adolf hitler" - 53,500
genocidal maniac "george bush" - 116,000

Holocaust?

holocaust "adolf hitler" - 958,000
holocaust "george bush" - 1,350,000

Chickenhawk flyboy?

chickenhawk flyboy "adolf hitler" - 66
chickenhawk flyboy "george bush" - 297

The question becomes - can Hitler beat George Bush at anything bad?

[geni]

less impact than um List of Bleach hollows.

http://www.wikirage.com/top-edits/672/

[T.A.M.]

No, the question is, if Hitler was around during the time of the internet, and googlescientists/investigators, who would have more hits...

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

"sex" AND "bill clinton" = 2,270,000 sites

"sex" AND "john holmes" = 992,000 sites

TAM:)

[scooby]

No, the question is, if Hitler was around during the time of the internet, and googlescientists/investigators, who would have more hits...

TAM:)

dictatorship "george bush" - 1,660,000
dictatorship "kim jong il" - 392,000

armageddon "george bush" - 409,000
armageddon "the rapture" - 224,000

oooh close, give it time ...

the king "elvis presley" - 2,860,000
the king "george bush" - 2,150,000

And Elvis lives, so the last one's valid.

[Dave Rogers]

dictatorship "george bush" - 1,660,000
dictatorship "kim jong il" - 392,000

armageddon "george bush" - 409,000
armageddon "the rapture" - 224,000

oooh close, give it time ...

the king "elvis presley" - 2,860,000
the king "george bush" - 2,150,000


+scooby +intelligent - 394,000
+scooby +stupid - 990,000

Clearly this sort of thing has no relation to the subject matter.

Dave

[scooby]

+scooby +intelligent - 394,000
+scooby +stupid - 990,000

Clearly this sort of thing has no relation to the subject matter.

Dave

Clearly ...

dreamworld "george bush" - 62,300
dreamworld "walter mitty" - 555

[tkingdoll]

I bet that Harry Potter fansites account for a lot of the 'squib' results, too.

[jhunter1163]

"Scooby smokes pot" = 616,000 hits

Draw your own conclusions....

[T.A.M.]

lol

"scooby" AND "terrorist" = 381,000 Sites

TAM;)

[Bell]

I love Hitler vs. I love Bush
2,570,000 vs. 106,000,000

Okay, I'll leave now :boxedin:

[Corsair 115]

... but not so fast. Before the "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice" plan their victory celebration, they should note that "Godzilla," as usual, crushes them by over a factor of four. Another victory for the Big Guy.YES!!!! Go, Godzilla, go!

[scooby]

tsk tsk, nice try ...

"Scooby smokes pot" = 616,000 hits

Draw your own conclusions....

"scooby smokes pot" - 3
"bush smokes pot" - 114

lol

"scooby" AND "terrorist" = 381,000 Sites

TAM;)

"scooby terrorist" - 382,000
"bush terrorist" - 9,840,000

[Pardalis]

Scooby, nice to see you are now only posting in threads that are safe for you, you don't have to respond to hard questions here.

[scooby]

Come on now, who says this stuff isn't valid when its so bang on ... :)

strutting peacock "liberace" - 19,700
strutting peacock "will smith" - 89,500
strutting peacock "george bush" - 90,200
strutting peacock "elton john" - 128,000

[Pardalis]

Scooby has found himself a new hobby.

[Nim Chimpsky]

DAg nab it, I'm a totally unarmed "googlefighter".

My username in quotes returns zero hits.

So if someone wants to pick a googlefight against me, you've got a guaranteed "W".

It's kinda like putting Appalachian State as the first game on your schedule.....oooh wait


Edit: removing the quotes gets me a whopping 18,500

[scooby]

Scooby, nice to see you are now only posting in threads that are safe for you, you don't have to respond to hard questions here.

You can say that again - look at this one, poor old Roddy McDowell spent 10 years playing a puzzled simian and Bush still outclasses him - though it has been 7 ...

puzzled simian "roddy mcdowell" - 71
puzzled simian "george bush" - 25,600

[Pardalis]

I think Scooby is under the influence.

[Hellbound]

scooby well adjusted/well-adjusted -- ~90,000
scooby sane -- 104,000
scooby normal -- 1,030,000

scooby nuts -- 832,000
scooby looney -- 1,400,000
scooby crazy -- 2,210,000

scooby dog sex -- 1,400,000

I'm just sayin'.

[scooby]

I think Scooby is under the influence.

Is that really the best you've got?

under the influence "george bush" - 1,810,000

Everyone knows truth is the first casualty of war and it sure took a kicking this time around, but I'd say depending on which side you're on, the sense of humour goes next. Having pinned your colours to the mast of strutting peacock monkey-boy King George, fascist dictator of the western world, hellbent on genocidal war, it's no surprise you're a dry bunch. I'd be forcing a grin by now myself.

[Pardalis]

Everyone knows truth is the first casualty of war and it sure took a kicking this time around, but I'd say depending on which side you're on, the sense of humour goes next. Having pinned your colours to the mast of strutting peacock monkey-boy King George, fascist dictator of the western world, hellbent on genocidal war, it's no surprise you're a dry bunch. I'd be forcing a grin by now myself.


Want to address the questions asked to you in the threads you have left Scooby, or is reality just too damn difficult for you to accept?

[Hellbound]

*Huntsman points behind the furiously running scooby"

Hey! Reality is back that way!

[negativ]

"9/11 truth" -- 13,200 results
"scientology" -- 9,530,000 results

and!
http://www.sucks-rocks.com/

Higher is better:

"loose change" - 5.5
"jref" - 7.1

[scooby]

Want to address the questions asked to you in the threads you have left Scooby, or is reality just too damn difficult for you to accept?

None of us here at the JREF is in a position to answer any of the questions that have been raised over the years since 911.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

The question becomes - can Hitler beat George Bush at anything bad?

Yeah. Reality. :)

Yes I understand why people hate Bush. I'm a Republican (fiscal conservative, socially libertarianish... except when it comes to drugs) and I for one can't wait to have a President that can SPEAK a whole sentence without stumbling on words.

However, I truly do believe there are people who are so worked up in their hatred of GWB, that it's truly interfering with their ability to say anything intelligent on any foreign matter without making a reference to a chimp, genocide, fascism, police state, etc.

They seriously do NOT realize what real genocide, fascism, or a police state is, and trivialize history to the point that they'd rather America get hurt... just so it would hurt GWB.

[R.Mackey]

"and!
http://www.sucks-rocks.com/

Higher is better:

"loose change" - 5.5
"jref" - 7.1

"Robocop:" 9.8
"Rolling Stones": 9.5
"Godzilla:" 8.6
"Britney Spears:" 4.7
"Dylan Avery:" 0.1

:p

Tune in next week for another episode of Wasted Time Mystery Theater...

[Hellbound]

"Robocop:" 9.8
"Rolling Stones": 9.5
"Godzilla:" 8.6
"Britney Spears:" 4.7
"Dylan Avery:" 0.1

:p

Tune in next week for another episode of Wasted Time Mystery Theater...

Hey! Who invited you here!

It's not like this takes a rocket scientist or anything! ;)

[Denial]

not from googlefight, and sorry if this has come up before in previous threads, but comparing popularity of 2 theories from their most recent polls:

Americans Who Believe Elvis Is Alive 7% (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/11/opinion/polls/main518294.shtml)

MIHOP 4.6% (http://www.911truth.org/images/ZogbyPoll2007.pdf)

I had to googlefight this:

elvis is still alive: 1.990.000
911 was an inside job: 570.000

[Foolmewunz]

"Robocop:" 9.8
"Rolling Stones": 9.5
"Godzilla:" 8.6
"Britney Spears:" 4.7
"Dylan Avery:" 0.1

:p

Tune in next week for another episode of Wasted Time Mystery Theater...

"Amazing Randi" 10.0 Whooot!!!! Whooot!!!
"Robocop:" 9.8
"Rolling Stones": 9.5
"Godzilla:" 8.6
"Britney Spears:" 4.7
"Dylan Avery:" 0.1

To put DA's rating in perspective, evidently he sux more than both Cheez Whiz (8.0) and botulism (6.4).

[qarnos]

evidence beats common sense 279M to 145M.