u.f.o.'s ARE god

[King of the Americas]

Please note the lower case "god".

"God"- the omni-potent, omni-present, mover and controller of everything...probably doesn't exist.

That said, I think 'close encounters' are a sign that we are being studied, not unlike our scientists study wild animals. Sort of a human tag and release program.

And the reason they show themselves to 'rednecks', is because the term 'redneck' is used to describe people who's back of their neck is darker than most, BECAUSE THEY ARE OUTSIDE MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE.

'They' are never going to sit their ship down on The White House lawn... IF that actually happened, they'd be considered a bio-hazard and would be subjected to strict quarantine and extensive testing.

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Is the above 'idea' or notion, a "Theory", a re-interpretation of religious texts, an illogical falacy, or something else entirely?

On another portion of this board, someone asked what "conspiracy theory" you thought to be true.

So I listed the above concept.

But I don't know if it qualifies as a "conspiracy theory"...or not?

[yairhol]

I'm thinking of unleashing pigeons at you.
Some like kittens, I use pigeons.
I'll have to think about how many you deserve for your post.

Regards,
Yair

[RenaissanceBiker]

May I recommend some light reading?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7e/Demon-Haunted_World.jpg/220px-Demon-Haunted_World.jpg

[JoeEllison]

Is the above 'idea' or notion, a "Theory", a re-interpretation of religious texts, an illogical falacy, or something else entirely?

Something else entirely: a giant stew of dead wrong, with unfounded assumption as a garnish, and a couple of slices of logical fallacy to dip in the broth.

[Fnord]

Well then, Fnord's Theory of Evolution might fit right in...

Ever wonder why there is no evidence of a "missing link?" Didja ever think that it might be staring us right in the face ... literally?

Premise: Look no further than your bathroom mirror, for we have found the missing link, and it are us.*

Research: (TBD - maybe I'll come up with something original, but it's going to be hard to beat out old Charlie D!)

Conclusion: We humans are the link between apes and the Greys of Zeta Reticuli.

More to come...

(* - I haven't had any coffee this fine monday morning, but I am thinking of getting a copyright on that entire sentence, as well as the word "if.")

[slingblade]

My astronomy professor put it like this:

On the condition that life from other worlds has traveled here:

If they wanted us to see them, then everyone would see them.
If they didn't want us to see them, then no one would.

Surely a tech that can traverse space knows how to keep it quiet, if that's what they want to do.

Oh, and I wanted to add that I do believe in UFOs. All it means is that some things that fly can't be readily identified. UFO != aliens from outer space.

[Complexity]

Please note the lower case "god".

"God"- the omni-potent, omni-present, mover and controller of everything...probably doesn't exist.

That said, I think 'close encounters' are a sign that we are being studied, not unlike our scientists study wild animals. Sort of a human tag and release program.

And the reason they show themselves to 'rednecks', is because the term 'redneck' is used to describe people who's back of their neck is darker than most, BECAUSE THEY ARE OUTSIDE MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE.

'They' are never going to sit their ship down on The White House lawn... IF that actually happened, they'd be considered a bio-hazard and would be subjected to strict quarantine and extensive testing.

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Is the above 'idea' or notion, a "Theory", a re-interpretation of religious texts, an illogical falacy, or something else entirely?

On another portion of this board, someone asked what "conspiracy theory" you thought to be true.

So I listed the above concept.

But I don't know if it qualifies as a "conspiracy theory"...or not?


Lower-case "god" noted.

You have a notion.

You can get more, if you like - they don't cost very much.

[Ichneumonwasp]

My astronomy professor put it like this:

On the condition that life from other worlds has traveled here:

If they wanted us to see them, then everyone would see them.
If they didn't want us to see them, then no one would.

Surely a tech that can traverse space knows how to keep it quiet, if that's what they want to do.

Oh, and I wanted to add that I do believe in UFOs. All it means is that some things that fly can't be readily identified. UFO != aliens from outer space.

But, you see, they're hidin'. Only some people can really see 'em. Causen' day bleev.

You people, you just doubt and doubt and doubt. If ya's jus bleev (and get a redneck) then you'd see 'em too.





I'm not sure how you categorize the Hiddeness of God. I suppose interpretation of religious text, so this would be a re-interpretation?

[King of the Americas]

I think "slingblade" makes the BEST point here.

"If they wanted us to see them, then everyone would see them.
If they didn't want us to see them, then no one would."

No one can conclusively present evidence that they 'HAVE' SEEN or ENTERACTED, with E.T.'s

Look around, this is a skeptic board! They have made a living debunking each and every piece of evidence that suggests we are being studied/visited.

To date, I have heard of NO ONE who could 'prove' that they have seen such entities...

Clearly, not EVERYONE has seen them.

&

Moreover, NO ONE can prove they have.

Appearantly, their 'tech' is high enough for us to be unable to procure proof as to their existance.

*IF they exist at all...

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"a giant stew of dead wrong, with unfounded assumption as a garnish, and a couple of slices of logical fallacy to dip in the broth."

How so?

[Psiload]

***snip***

'They' are never going to sit their ship down on The White House lawn... IF that actually happened, they'd be considered a bio-hazard and would be subjected to strict quarantine and extensive testing.

***snip***


I have a hard time taking seriously the idea that the "gods"- a race of beings who have mastered intersteller/FTL space travel, would have to worry about us subjecting them to much of anything at all.

[King of the Americas]

And you think OUR Nation's Headquarters would just fall to their knees, and allow a very foreign invader to subject them to intergalactic herpes, through a handshake?

There is a reason why this stuff only happens on Star Trek.

They have protocols for such things.

[Psiload]

And you think OUR Nation's Headquarters would just fall to their knees, and allow a very foreign invader to subject them to intergalactic herpes, through a handshake?

There is a reason why this stuff only happens on Star Trek.

They have protocols for such things.

Again... I can't imagine that an alien race advanced to the stage of interstellar space travel, would give two zeebleflarms about our 'protocols'.

Like the hassle of clearing customs is what's keeping them from showing themselves. :rolleyes:

[King of the Americas]

Who said THAT is what is stopping them...? I said IF it happened, then you see dudes in bio-hazards suits greet them.

I think slingblade's point is as far as we can go.

IF and when 'they' want us to know they are there/here, then we will ALL 'see' them.

Until then, just hope that you don't win the anal probe lottery.

So long as you don't spend a lot of time in remote locations by yourself you should be fine.

[Ichneumonwasp]

Who said THAT is what is stopping them...? I said IF it happened, then you see dudes in bio-hazards suits greet them.

I think slingblade's point is as far as we can go.

IF and when 'they' want us to know they are there/here, then we will ALL 'see' them.

Until then, just hope that you don't win the anal probe lottery.

So long as you don't spend a lot of time in remote locations by yourself you should be fine.

But how can we know that it's THEM?

[JoeTheJuggler]

Please note the lower case "god".

"God"- the omni-potent, omni-present, mover and controller of everything...probably doesn't exist.

That said, I think 'close encounters' are a sign that we are being studied, not unlike our scientists study wild animals. Sort of a human tag and release program.
You present possibly the least parsimonious explanation for a pile of anecdotes you could think of.


And the reason they show themselves to 'rednecks', is because the term 'redneck' is used to describe people who's back of their neck is darker than most, BECAUSE THEY ARE OUTSIDE MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE.

This is an etymological fallacy (http://www.fallacyfiles.org/etymolog.html). Even if the term arose to describe people who spent more time outside (there are several other possible explanations), the origin of the term is irrelevant to its current meaning.

Surely, a "redneck" with a close encounter story can work in Walmart where the fluorescent lighting is not likely to cause a redneck, and they're no more likely to see the night sky than anyone else. (By the way, most alien abduction stories happen to people while they're in bed--which is why the notion that it is a hypnogogic or hypnopompic dream is more probable than most other explanations.)


Is the above 'idea' or notion, a "Theory", a re-interpretation of religious texts, an illogical falacy, or something else entirely?
I'd call it a mixture of baseless speculation and logical fallacy.

(Hmmm . . . "illogical falacy"--at best that term would be redundant).

[JoeTheJuggler]

Oh, and I wanted to add that I do believe in UFOs. All it means is that some things that fly can't be readily identified. UFO != aliens from outer space.

This is a bit of a derail, but I don't necessarily believe in UFOs even granting as you say that "UFO != aliens from outer space". Plenty of UFOs aren't even FOs, but simply optical illusions. (Is Venus or the moon a "flying object"? Is a reflection of ground based lights, or other strange optical illusions even really an "object"?)

[slingblade]

This is a bit of a derail, but I don't necessarily believe in UFOs even granting as you say that "UFO != aliens from outer space". Plenty of UFOs aren't even FOs, but simply optical illusions. (Is Venus or the moon a "flying object"? Is a reflection of ground based lights, or other strange optical illusions even really an "object"?)

Heh, I might have put it badly. UFO doesn't necessarily mean "aliens from other worlds." I've seen LOTS of UFOs. But all that means is I couldn't identify what was up there--not that it was aliens. Not that they were "spaceships." From Planet 9 or elsewhere. I'm certain all of them were either birds, airplanes, or balloons.

I even saw the space shuttle as it flew overhead. Must have been...three or four months ago? If I'd seen it without advance prep (the news told us we could stand outside and see the shuttle at X time, in Y place, and we did), then it would have been a UFO to me. But that didn't make it an alien spacecraft. It would simply have been a very human-crafted flying machine that I could see, but couldn't identify at the time.

Was that any better? :)

[seanmcg]

I think slingblade's point is as far as we can go.

Excellent! A starting point for logical discourse.

Given slingblade's professor's point: since everyone does not know about the aliens, we can then assume that the aliens do not wish for anyone to know about them.

How does this then jibe with the fact that the "victims" of UFO abduction are aware of the incident, can recall details, and can draw pictures of the aliens?

If I wished to examine a human specimen using our current, human technology, I would:
1.) Find a person in a remote area (a "redneck")
2.) Anesthetize that person from a distance with a tranquilizer dart.
3.) Blind and gag said person, including ear plugs, on the off chance they awaken
4.) Examine said person ("probe" them)
5.) Return them to exactly where I found them

The result? The "abductee" would have no recollection of the event, aside from (possibly) being "stung" by the dart. If they did wake up prematurely, they would have only the haziest sensory recollections of the event. And this could be achieved with technology in use today.

Now, imagine that I am from a race that can cover vast inter-stellar distances to reach Earth...

I think you see where I am going with this.

[slingblade]

Excellent! A starting point for logical discourse.

Given slingblade's point:

This may be pedantry, but please bear in mind that it isn't MY point. It's my professor's, and I mention it for the sake of discourse, yes.

But please don't ascribe it to me as if I made the point originally. I'm only repeating someone else's point.

Carry on. :D

[seanmcg]

This may be pedantry, but please bear in mind that it isn't MY point. It's my professor's, and I mention it for the sake of discourse, yes.

But please don't ascribe it to me as if I made the point originally. I'm only repeating someone else's point.

Carry on. :D

Right...sorry. Fixed.

[Psiload]

Excellent! A starting point for logical discourse.

Given slingblade's point: since everyone does not know about the aliens, we can then assume that the aliens do not wish for anyone to know about them.

How does this then jibe with the fact that the "victims" of UFO abduction are aware of the incident, can recall details, and can draw pictures of the aliens?

If I wished to examine a human specimen using our current, human technology, I would:
1.) Find a person in a remote area (a "redneck")
2.) Anesthetize that person from a distance with a tranquilizer dart.
3.) Blind and gag said person, including ear plugs, on the off chance they awaken
4.) Examine said person ("probe" them)
5.) Return them to exactly where I found them

The result? The "abductee" would have no recollection of the event, aside from (possibly) being "stung" by the dart. If they did wake up prematurely, they would have only the haziest sensory recollections of the event. And this could be achieved with technology in use today.

Now, imagine that I am from a race that can cover vast inter-stellar distances to reach Earth...

I think you see where I am going with this.


Why even bother with step 5? Why not just snatch up the odd human, and just keep them? People go missing all the time, so who would even suspect it was, "Dem "gods" is what took 'em"? Why run the risk of putting them back and having the memories of your nefarious abduction activities being retrieved by a hypnotherapist? And if you think the answer is... "Because they don't want to traumatize our the human race."... well then... newsflash for the "gods"- we don't exactly consider forced abduction and butt-probing to be a regular hootenanny of a time... at least most of us don't anyway.

[Foster Zygote]

My astronomy professor put it like this:

On the condition that life from other worlds has traveled here:

If they wanted us to see them, then everyone would see them.
If they didn't want us to see them, then no one would.

Surely a tech that can traverse space knows how to keep it quiet, if that's what they want to do.

Oh, and I wanted to add that I do believe in UFOs. All it means is that some things that fly can't be readily identified. UFO != aliens from outer space.

I think it was Sagan who pointed out that such a technical civilization should be able to sample a few cells and read the entire human genome. No need for rectal probing. Of course, maybe there's a reason for that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMW55R7kofo).

[Ichneumonwasp]

I think it was Sagan who pointed out that such a technical civilization should be able to sample a few cells and read the entire human genome. No need for rectal probing. Of course, maybe there's a reason for that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMW55R7kofo).

Can't access the link at work, but why bother coming 200 million light years if you're just going to leave out the rectal probe?

[seanmcg]

Why even bother with step 5? Why not just snatch up the odd human, and just keep them?

Obviously it's so they can track them via the crystalline chip embedded at the base of their skull. DUH.:D

[Psiload]

How depressing is this thought?...

Even if human science advances to the point where we've mastered interstellar space travel, we're still going to have our prostates examined 'the hard way'. :eye-poppi

[Fnord]

Somehow, I get this wierd feeling that there is a connection between "Close Encounters" and "Deliverence."

"//\|/\\/-||/\/\-\|/"

("Specimine #17 sure has a pretty mouth - Can you make it squeal like a pig? - Here, let me try.")

[uruk]

Please note the lower case "god".

"God"- the omni-potent, omni-present, mover and controller of everything...probably doesn't exist.

That said, I think 'close encounters' are a sign that we are being studied, not unlike our scientists study wild animals. Sort of a human tag and release program. Possibly, But I would think that aliens technologicaly advanced enough to travel the vast distances of space would have better ways of studying us than the methods the Crocodile Hunter uses.


And the reason they show themselves to 'rednecks', is because the term 'redneck' is used to describe people who's back of their neck is darker than most, BECAUSE THEY ARE OUTSIDE MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE. Well acouple of the most famous abduction cases did not involve rednecks (The "Fire in the Sky" incident excepted)
The Betty and Barny Hill case.(considered to be the first abduction case) Nobody would mistake Barney Hill for a redneck, He's African American.
And the Andresson case. The husband and wife were abducted from thier house.

'They' are never going to sit their ship down on The White House lawn... IF that actually happened, they'd be considered a bio-hazard and would be subjected to strict quarantine and extensive testing.
If the aliens are far more advanced than we are, what would stop them?
How could we stop them? Coming out in hazmat suits would be futile.

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Is the above 'idea' or notion, a "Theory", a re-interpretation of religious texts, an illogical falacy, or something else entirely?
You are making alot of unsubstantiated and supported assumptions.
You can't say something "is" or "exists" unless you have proof and evidence. Untill there is evidence all you can say is "possibly" or "maybe" something "is" or "exists".

On another portion of this board, someone asked what "conspiracy theory" you thought to be true.

So I listed the above concept.

But I don't know if it qualifies as a "conspiracy theory"...or not?

Good for you. You belive that extraterrestials are visiting earth and abducting people for study. Nothing wrong with believeing that.
I think it can qualify for a "conspiracy theory" if you throw in something about the government or people in powerful position being aware or in cahoots with the aliens. (See The X-Files series for inspiration)

But if you want to be taken seriously you have to back up your claim with supporting evidence and proof.

[King of the Americas]

Do you think all elephants 'believe' in Humans?

OR do you think they are as scientific as we are?

Carl-the Elephant, shows up with this weird tale about this tiny pink skinned thing. They pricked him, and made him really sleepy. Carl said they were trying to calm him down, only to poke and prick him even more. The next thing he knew, he was waking up as if from a night of too many peanuts.

No oe believed Carl, until he lifted up his neck and reveiled a bright ***** collar with a box attached.

"That's nothing, I picked one up just like that years ago out on the edge of the forrest. I don't recall any pink creatures, just some boxy rinos with spinning feet."

Another elephant speaks out, "I used to have one, but I never showed anybody because I thought you'd make fun of me... Then one day I went to sleep out under a single tree, and when I woke up it was gone."

Other elephants talk amoungst themselves grumbling, "I think we've got a bunch of crazies here, folks." "...Boxy rinos with spinning feet...? What was he smoking!?"

My question is do you think all elephants believe is Humans?

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So, basically several have qualfied my 'notion' as a "Logical Fallacy".

And another example of this wold be comparing (?) to (?)...? Horses to Unicorns...? Forbinned Fruit to the Fruit of Life...? Apples to Cherries...?

Now, I don't believe that my idea is entirely "baseless", after all these things are both born of "Heaven' or 'the heavens' do share at least one commonality.

Or is the very concept that things that come from 'heaven' are what make this a fallacy, since we can't prove any such things did, could, or has happened?

There is no 'proof' of god or u.f.o.'s...

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Intersteller distances...

What if it was a singular one way trip, a long long time ago, designed specifically for this destination?

Would it be more reasonable to suggest that they have always been here, so long as we have, just existing in a very high orbit, or possibly on the dark side of the Moon, or in my granny's basement...?

We can't find Osama, and he is just 'on earth somewhere'.

Isn't it logical to assume, there must be a 'base' or a port' nearby, rather than demand that EACH and every u.f.o. has to be capable of intersteller travel?

More later...


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ETA: the word "white" got censored...?

"White"...? Really?

[slingblade]

Apparently not, as you used it twice to protest the supposed censoring.

Let me try. White.

ETA: nope, definitely not.

[wollery]

My guess would be a mistype, hitting an s instead of a w.

[Smiledriver]

Again... I can't imagine that an alien race advanced to the stage of interstellar space travel, would give two zeebleflarms about our 'protocols'.

Like the hassle of clearing customs is what's keeping them from showing themselves. :rolleyes:

I think some people in this post need to reconsider how long we earthlings have spent developing weapons. The ability travel great distances in space is one thing, contending with centuries of weapon development and military study and training is another...the martians can just bring it.

[wollery]

I think some people in this post need to reconsider how long we earthlings have spent developing weapons. The ability travel great distances in space is one thing, contending with centuries of weapon development and military study and training is another...the martians can just bring it.Yeah, because it's a sure bet that the aliens haven't also spent hundreds or thousands of years developing weapons and studying military tactics, such as, say, ours! :rolleyes:

[Darth Rotor]

I think some people in this post need to reconsider how long we earthlings have spent developing weapons. The ability travel great distances in space is one thing, contending with centuries of weapon development and military study and training is another...the martians can just bring it.
No, they can't, since the Zerg kicked their asses. We need to hope the Protoss show up soon, or we are toast.

DR

[Foster Zygote]

No, they can't, since the Zerg kicked their asses. We need to hope the Protoss show up soon, or we are toast.

DR

Nah, we'll just lay a perimeter of mines to soften them up for our siege tanks supported by marines with medics and science vessels.

[King of the Americas]

Hey Darth,

There is a yellow flag laying at your feet.

I was hoping you'd take what I wrote a little more seriously.

[slingblade]

How depressing is this thought?...

Even if human science advances to the point where we've mastered interstellar space travel, we're still going to have our prostates examined 'the hard way'. :eye-poppi

I would think that if WE are the ones who are doing the traveling, then WE are the ones doing the probing when we get there.

Either way, it's still depressing.

[King of the Americas]

The crickets sure are loud today...

[King of the Americas]

Over on the Ann Coulter board you get this kind of treatment by making a strong point against conservatives.

"NO REPLIES FOR LIBERALS!"

The point?

Make one, and you'll get ignored. If you are wrong, or can be proven to be so, then the replies will come in landslides.

[wollery]

Over here you get ignored if your ideas are shown to be complete cobblers in the first few posts and the rest of the posts become jokes about it. It's worse if you then try to suggest that you have a point because you're being ignored.

Your OP was ridiculed from the start because it's pretty much a complete waste of bandwidth. Then people got bored - there's only so many jokes you can make about something that pathetic.

[King of the Americas]

wollery,

Your retort sound more like a mischaracterization of my post, and an actual rebuttle to the concept I present.

I mean only to discuss what is possible, and to understand how these two entities may be related.

Failure to 'discuss' this matter in a serious way says more about you and others like you, than it does the matter at hand...

[wollery]

wollery,

Your retort sound more like a mischaracterization of my post, and an actual rebuttle to the concept I present.

I mean only to discuss what is possible, and to understand how these two entities may be related.

Failure to 'discuss' this matter in a serious way says more about you and others like you, than it does the matter at hand...That you think that there's something to discuss about your OP says far more about you than I think you would like.

[Foster Zygote]

I once saw a program in which a UFOlogist was debating a skeptic. At one point the UFOlogist loudly and emotionally asked "Well if people aren't really being abducted then how come everyone reports seeing this?". at which point he held up an image of the classic "gray alien" face, on a national television broadcast, in front of possibly millions of people. The skeptic pointed out that he had just answered his own question. That cartoonishly simple image has become a part of our culture and has been popularized by numerous sources including those who write books about alien abduction informing readers all about the standard experiences of "abductees". It's easy to see how fantasy prone individuals experiencing sleep paralysis without the knowledge that it is a common though sometimes frightening phenomenon might start looking for answers. If these people come across the standard abduction literature it may well be all they need to begin convincing themselves that this is what is happening to them.

KotA, If you would like to continue this debate then let's start at the beginning. Please provide evidence that the vast majority of people who claim to have been abducted by aliens are in fact "rednecks". It seems to me that, other than a few well publicized cases, most "abductees" claim to have been taken from their own beds in their own homes.

[grayman]

Before giving any opinion in this thread, I would like to know what proof there is that UFOs (as an intelligent entity) exist.

[slingblade]

Area 51, man, area freaking 51!!!1!!

[King of the Americas]

Why shouldn't we have to prove "god" exists first???

Do we even need to prove either exists, in order to discuss the relationship between the two...?

To my knowledge there is no absolute proof of either entity, that we could present here for study.

I certainly wouldn't venture into the realm of actual physical encounters/abductions...

I mean only to discuss what connections and comparisons can be made between ufo's & god.

That both orginate in the heavens, and that neither can be 'captured' for study is all that we know now for certain...

Oh, and that both have occupied artist's minds for as long as we have painted on walls.

Could someone give me another example of this relationship?

Like is this comparing apples to oranges, unicorns to horses, lightsabers to blasters, what exactly is the relationship between god and ufo's?

[slingblade]

The relationship is whatever you want it to be, since at this point, gods and UFOs are whatever one wants them to be.

It's much like literary analysis. How do you compare, say, Harry Potter with Ender Wiggin?
If you know how to do that, you're set.

[King of the Americas]

But maybe they aren't...

Maybe there is a finite defination as to both of these entities.

[slingblade]

Maybe, but until you produce it, it's just analysis of literary constructs.

Oh, and the word you wanted is "definition."

[King of the Americas]

Alright, then.

I understand your conclusion.

Ufo's and god are 'fictional', until proof as to their existance is found & presented...

I guess this discussion will have to wait for another day.

[slingblade]

Yep, that's pretty much the way it works.

However, there's no reason you can't have your discussion, within limits set by reality.

If you and I want to compare and contrast unicorns with flying horses, we can either go through all the literature and anecdotes in history regarding accounts of unicorns and flying horses, OR one of us can go out and bring said animals into a pen, and observe them.

Which one do you think is going to happen?

[King of the Americas]

I tell you what, it'd be a hell of a show either way.

god vs. little grey dude

If we were to actually HAVE that literary discussion, it would be LONG, tiresome, and everso teadious. Hasn't it already been done here?

Surely, there is a site dedicated to this idea, couldn't we just link the best two, and be done with it?

In the end, we are left with people's 'opinion' as to how related these entities are. No one would or could be absolutely right, until we put them both in a box for careful study.

Which leads us right back to why they aren't anxious to meet us...

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U.F.O.'s & God/god are and have often been closely associated with one another...

http://www.ufoartwork.com/

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/ufos.html

[Foster Zygote]

I hear little kids actually scare the **** out of the Easter Bunny.

[wollery]

I hear little kids actually scare the **** out of the Easter Bunny.Is that why he hides the chocolate eggs and runs away?

[Foster Zygote]

Is that why he hides the chocolate eggs and runs away?

That's why nobody ever sees him. Pretty obvious isn't it.

[King of the Americas]

Rabbits don't lay eggs, chocolate or otherwise.

Isn't a 'bunny' a small rabbit?

Are you telling me one small rabbit is enough to go round laying ALL the chocolate eggs?

Is said bunny supernatural, magical, or metaphysical?

Why would he/she be scared of little kids?

[Foster Zygote]

Ever seen an elephant hiding in a tree? No? They hide pretty well, don't they?

[King of the Americas]

Depending on the tree, the elephant, and what color is used on their toe-nail paint...some are easier to find than others.

[Loss Leader]

In the end, we are left with people's 'opinion' as to how related these entities are.


There's no evidence either God or aliens exist. So, we're not left with people's opinions. No opinion held by any person is based on any objective evidence of anything. There's as much reason to debate opinions on the subject as there is to debate whether Ross and Rachel will be able to make it work in the long run.


No one would or could be absolutely right, until we put them both in a box for careful study.


Well, first you'd have to prove that either exists.


Which leads us right back to why they aren't anxious to meet us


No, it does not lead us right back to that. Your statement assumes the aliens exist. They have to exist in order to not want to meet us. Saying that we don't know if they exist does not give us any information about why they may or may not be anxious about meeting us.

[King of the Americas]

Agreed.

We just don't know enough to even speculate.

Art is of (X) value in determining historical fact from fiction.

Repeated themes or images are of (X) value, aswell.

[Biscuit]

I think I am going to write a children's book.

"Carl The Conspiracy Elephant"

It will be like Harry Potter but with a paranoid elephant ranting about the moon landing and 9/11.

[King of the Americas]

Could you have one of the sub-themes be that he can hide unseen, simply by painting his toe-nails to match the background?

[Loss Leader]

Agreed.

We just don't know enough to even speculate.

Art is of (X) value in determining historical fact from fiction.

Repeated themes or images are of (X) value, aswell.


So long as x=0, I agree.

[King of the Americas]

I think some would give (X) another value, maybe a comparative one...

[Skeptic Guy]

Please note the lower case "god".

"God"- the omni-potent, omni-present, mover and controller of everything...probably doesn't exist.

That said, I think 'close encounters' are a sign that we are being studied, not unlike our scientists study wild animals. Sort of a human tag and release program.

And the reason they show themselves to 'rednecks', is because the term 'redneck' is used to describe people who's back of their neck is darker than most, BECAUSE THEY ARE OUTSIDE MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE.

'They' are never going to sit their ship down on The White House lawn... IF that actually happened, they'd be considered a bio-hazard and would be subjected to strict quarantine and extensive testing.

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Is the above 'idea' or notion, a "Theory", a re-interpretation of religious texts, an illogical falacy, or something else entirely?

On another portion of this board, someone asked what "conspiracy theory" you thought to be true.

So I listed the above concept.

But I don't know if it qualifies as a "conspiracy theory"...or not?

The issue I think you are ignoring is that there is as much evidence for aliens and "alien abductions" as there is for "God/god" and as such it should be said that both "probably don't exist". Surely, if there was something like a "human tag and release" program, we'd be able to find the tags.

I tell you what, it'd be a hell of a show either way.

god vs. little grey dude

If we were to actually HAVE that literary discussion, it would be LONG, tiresome, and everso teadious. Hasn't it already been done here?

Surely, there is a site dedicated to this idea, couldn't we just link the best two, and be done with it?

In the end, we are left with people's 'opinion' as to how related these entities are. No one would or could be absolutely right, until we put them both in a box for careful study.

Which leads us right back to why they aren't anxious to meet us...

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U.F.O.'s & God/god are and have often been closely associated with one another...

http://www.ufoartwork.com/ (http://www.ufoartwork.com/)

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/ufos.html (http://www.mt.net/~watcher/ufos.html)

[quote=RenaissanceBiker;2971693]May I recommend some light reading?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7e/Demon-Haunted_World.jpg/220px-Demon-Haunted_World.jpg[/quote (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7e/Demon-Haunted_World.jpg/220px-Demon-Haunted_World.jpg[/quote)]

You should read the book RenaissanceBiker suggested. Carl Sagan does an excellent job in explaining how beliefs in angels/gods evolved into beliefs in little grey men.

[King of the Americas]

Well, do a little cut'n pasting, summery, or sampling of the docterine...

Some 'saucer-shaped' art didn't evlove, but rather has been around from the beginning.

Maybe Carl Sagan should have explained how seeing UFO's spurred belief in God/god.

[King of the Americas]

How long ago was God/god mentioned in art or writing?

And I don't mean stuff like Genesis, and how it holds that God came first as the creator of everything.

At what point in man's history is 'god' a common entity in its culture?

[slingblade]

Dunno. Go find out and come back and tell us. :)

[King of the Americas]

NOT surprisingly, they both seem to have appeared at the same time...