Why is homosexuality wrong?

[dibs]

Actually anal sex is a good preventative for piles. Oh, and it's not an exclusively homosexual act. Which is nice.

[bruto]

I wish any homosexuals out there a happy anal year:
I hope there are fewer cases of piles for your anus year.

:big:

Nice smiley you've got there, Ali. It would look good on a toilet stall wall:

Call Ali at 462-537-3633 for a :big: anytime!

[Paulhoff]

I wish any homosexuals out there a happy anal year:
I hope there are fewer cases of piles for your anus year.

:big:
I was at one time thinking of animating your avatar, I'm so glad I didn't.

Paul

:) :) :)

[DoubtingStephen]

I wish any homosexuals out there a happy anal year:
I hope there are fewer cases of piles for your anus year.

:big:

ur msg haz inspired me, ali, i mad teh website jest fr u

tehgays.com (http://tehgays.com/)

its all bout teh gays n its all 4 u, ali

hugz

[Foster Zygote]

You've got to hand it to Ali for his sheer bloody mindedness. He made a complete fool of himself with that whole "I can control attack dogs with my God-given mind powers" and then repeatedly refusing all offers to allow him to demonstrate said ability, even for a million dollars. He either knew all along that he had no such powers or he later realized that he did not and is unwilling to admit he was wrong. So he's shown himself to be either a liar or a coward. Then he claimed that his god allowed a nine year old girl to be brutally raped and murdered because, he reasoned, she must have deserved it. Now here he is posting lame middle school level insults in an attempt to rile us. Anyone smarter would have slunk off in embarrassment long ago.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Take it Jesus, take the whole thing!
:):):)

Dude, at first I thought Jesus was a bottom. But now, I know he is a top. Evidence?

4. We must individually RECEIVE Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know and experience God's love and plan for our lives.

We Must Receive Christ
"As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name" (John 1:12).

We Receive Christ Through Faith
"By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast" (Ephesians 2:8,9).

When We Receive Christ, We Experience a New Birth
(Read John 3:1-8)

We Receive Christ by Personal Invitation
[Christ speaking] "Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any one hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him" (Revelation 3:20).

Linky (http://www.ccci.org/wij/)

[DoubtingStephen]

Good point Tsukasa Buddha, one thing is for sure, God loves dick (http://aintnogod.com/atheist/index.php/topic,1015.msg5701/topicseen.html#msg5701).

[devnull]

Hell, several parts of the bible read like the script to 'Gay Anal Bangers 3'. Dont try to tell me there wasnt a bundle of repressed homosexuality in that book.

[Lonewulf]

You've got to hand it to Ali for his sheer bloody mindedness. He made a complete fool of himself with that whole "I can control attack dogs with my God-given mind powers" and then repeatedly refusing all offers to allow him to demonstrate said ability, even for a million dollars. He either knew all along that he had no such powers or he later realized that he did not and is unwilling to admit he was wrong. So he's shown himself to be either a liar or a coward. Then he claimed that his god allowed a nine year old girl to be brutally raped and murdered because, he reasoned, she must have deserved it. Now here he is posting lame middle school level insults in an attempt to rile us. Anyone smarter would have slunk off in embarrassment long ago.

Can you please link the bit o n the controlling attack dogs and that the 9 year old girl deserved to be raped and murdered?

This sounds like a seriously disturbed individual.

[mayday]

I like gay people.

[Hokulele]

Can you please link the bit o n the controlling attack dogs and that the 9 year old girl deserved to be raped and murdered?


Well, first it was a lion (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=30405), then downgraded to an attack dog (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=30480). Although, Reno's Yorkie was in the ring for a bit I believe.

His version of a compassionate god (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2443400#post2443400).

This sounds like a seriously disturbed individual.


Yep.

[articulett]

Hell, several parts of the bible read like the script to 'Gay Anal Bangers 3'. Dont try to tell me there wasnt a bundle of repressed homosexuality in that book.

Hmm... I haven't read that script yet...
don't tell me how it ends--

[sinclairmcevoy]

Hell, several parts of the bible read like the script to 'Gay Anal Bangers 3'. Dont try to tell me there wasnt a bundle of repressed homosexuality in that book.
Huh? Never saw that one, never will. Which parts read like that?

[Hokulele]

Huh? Never saw that one, never will. Which parts read like that?


Read Genesis 19.

[Lonewulf]

Well, first it was a lion (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=30405), then downgraded to an attack dog (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=30480). Although, Reno's Yorkie was in the ring for a bit I believe.

His version of a compassionate god (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2443400#post2443400).

Yep.

Hm, according to the Lion bit, he's Iranian.

Well, that doesn't do good for Iran's image, that's for sure.

[Ali]

I like gay people.


I also like gay people like any other people:
But they need to snap out of this sexual confusion.

:):):)

[bruto]

I also like gay people like any other people:
But they need to snap out of this sexual confusion.

:):):)The gay people I know (at least the ones who are openly gay) are not confused at all. To take the step of acknkowledging and declaring oneself to be in a minority position that is not favored by society, religion, and custom, and in many places by law, requires some pretty firm self knowledge and a fair dose of guts. Call it whatever your religious bent requires you to call it, but confusion it is not. They are far less confused than many of the heterosexuals I know.

[danielk]

Call it whatever your religious bent requires you to call it, but confusion it is not.
Don't you know? The proper term is "bi-curious".

*cue in Butters' speech towards the end of the "Cartman Sucks" episode*

[Paulhoff]

I also like gay people like any other people:
But they need to snap out of this sexual confusion.

:):):)
You believe in a simple so-called god, snap out of your confusion.

Paul

:) :) :)

[DoubtingStephen]

I also like gay people like any other people:
But they need to snap out of this sexual confusion.


Hi Ali,

I'm not confused, I'm queer. I'm a homo, a poofter, a nancy boy. I'm not confused about the gender of the persons I am attracted to, they are male.

I think the comments by Bruto are accurate and insightful. Perhaps you are working with some mistaken ideas about the nature of being gay.

:):):)

[hcmom]

I also like gay people like any other people:


Medium-rare?

[danielk]

Ali, listen and learn:

R-YOqiRB4XU

Who knows, maybe Butters will be able to teach you a thing or two.

[fishkr]

Do you a detailed analysis of why some biblical scholars believe homosexuality is wrong?

Or do you want an explanation of why homosexuality is objectively wrong?

.

Not really, no.

[fishkr]

This question always nags me when I hear the subject come up, and I know it's too simple, but why would an omniscient, all powerful creator create something he didn't like?

If homosexuality were wrong, why create homosexuality?

So if it's wrong, then God isn't omniscient, in which case it might not be wrong, or then again maybe he didn't create it but, but then again if He isn't omniscient as all the faithfull claim, then the bible must be wrong about that, and if it/they're wrong about that maybe they're wrong about everything, and then how are we supposed to know what is good and how to act and, when it comes right down to it, who to have sex with?

We need a moral compass! **** that, I want a moral GPS!!!!


:D:D:D:D

[danielk]

"If I'm bi-curious, and I'm somehow made from god, then I think god must be a little bi-curious himself!"

[danielk]

I'm telling ya, South Park would make for a much better Bible.

[JonnyFive]

I don't know about Ali or anything, but I'm pretty sure I can control attack bees with my God-given mind powers.

If, of course, by "control attack bees" we mean "make bees attack me" and by "God-given mind powers" we mean "large stick."

It's all a matter of semantics, I suppose.

[Ali]

The gay people I know (at least the ones who are openly gay) are not confused at all. To take the step of acknkowledging and declaring oneself to be in a minority position that is not favored by society, religion, and custom, and in many places by law, requires some pretty firm self knowledge and a fair dose of guts. Call it whatever your religious bent requires you to call it, but confusion it is not. They are far less confused than many of the heterosexuals I know.


bruto, I suggest you not to delve into matters beyond your intelligence:
How can a man run when he can't walk?

Sometimes even intelligence is not enough: that's when wisdom steps in......

:):):)

[Paulhoff]

bruto, I suggest you not to delve into matters beyond your intelligence:
How can a man run when he can't walk?

Sometimes even intelligence is not enough: that's when wisdom steps in......

:):):)
Like your so-called god, you make dumb statements. And as for the wisdom, you haven't shown any.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Francesca R]

Why is homosexuality wrong?It's the wrong way to conceive a child, that's all.

[Rasmus]

It's the wrong way to conceive a child, that's all.

Not quite. It's simply not a way to conceive a child - much like doing your laundry or watching tv.

If it *was* a way to conceive children there still wouldn't be anything wrong about it.

[bruto]

bruto, I suggest you not to delve into matters beyond your intelligence:
How can a man run when he can't walk?

Sometimes even intelligence is not enough: that's when wisdom steps in......

:):):)You might consider taking your own advice, and add to it the suggestion that relevance is a useful quality when attempting to argue.

[exlex]

It's not wrong; it's just yucky. Unless it's women. Then it's really great.

Umm... have you ever seen Brent Everett? Any movie with him is guaranteed to be beautiful just because he has a cute face, a muscular body, and is well-endowed. He even has a decent-enough personality. Seems to really care for his fans and so on (I'm his friend on MySpace).

[William Smith]

I also like gay people like any other people:
But they need to snap out of this sexual confusion.

:):):)


How is that lion schtick coming, Ali? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=806172#post806172)

Does it work as well with gay lions?

[mayday]

Gay guys are A-OK by me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WjTSaFwm_E

[Ali]

I've provided a simple but yet solid proof why homosexuality is wrong.
What is of interest to me is when and how God will punish.......

:):):)

[Marquis de Carabas]

What is of interest to me is when and how God will punish.......

I bet it's spakings.

[ImaginalDisc]

I've provided a simple but yet solid proof why homosexuality is wrong.
What is of interest to me is when and how God will punish.......

:):):)

Do you eat chesseburgers or shellfish, wear poly-cotton blends, or shave?

This argument applies even if you're not Christian. One pile of unsubstantiated religious clap-trap is no better a moral guide than any other.

[Hokulele]

I think we now have simple but solid proof that those few christians who are cowardly closet sadists fantasizing they can vicariously get their kicks through the god of the Old Testament are also homophobes.

[Foster Zygote]

I bet it's spakings.

Administered by Dr. Winston and Dr. Piglet?

[joobz]

It's all a matter of semantics, I suppose.
Ahh, So that's what they mean by Mysterious ways..

[Ali]

I think we now have simple but solid proof that those few christians who are cowardly closet sadists fantasizing they can vicariously get their kicks through the god of the Old Testament are also homophobes.


Hokulele, I’m interested in logic and solid proof:
Not on some garbage that you or anyone else wants to spew out.

[danielk]

Hokulele, I’m interested in logic and solid proof:
Not on some garbage that you or anyone else wants to spew out.
OK, Mr Logic: When will you realize that your entire world view (assuming for a moment you aren't a troll) is built upon blatantly obvious circular arguments?

[William Smith]

Hokulele, I’m interested in logic and solid proof:
Not on some garbage that you or anyone else wants to spew out.

That is of course demonstrably false if we assume you operate with the commonly accepted meaning of those two words.

Your posting history - namely in this thread - (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=30480&highlight=seifoori) suggests you dabble in the art of spewing garbage yourself and seem incapable or at least unwilling to lead an intellectually honest discussion.

Not that this is news, right?

[Paulhoff]

I've provided a simple but yet solid proof why homosexuality is wrong.
What is of interest to me is when and how God will punish.......

:):):)
There is no so-called god, no so-called punishment, get over your small minded idea of the universe.

Paul

:) :) :)

[DoubtingStephen]

I've provided a simple but yet solid proof why homosexuality is wrong.


False, you have provided nothing at all like proof.


What is of interest to me is when and how God will punish.......

God would have to exist first. Your whole scheme for getting God to get even with those naughty gay people seems to strike quite a stumbling block when the failure of your Imaginary Bearded Sky Daddy to actually exist results in his failure to act as you so fervently wish he would.

Ooops. I guess I won't be destroyed in a column of fire this week.

[Henners]

Sometimes even intelligence is not enough: that's when wisdom steps in......


...only to be confronted by a religious bigot with all the authority of a so-called holy book written by hairy-arsed savages who picks up wisdom by the scruff of the neck, and kicks it repeatedly into the long grass for daring to be tolerant, and human, and vulnerable, and respectful, rather that some stupid robot who thinks that he has to read his morality out of a book.

[Ali]

Many people ask the question: what is the meaning of life?
Life means obedience to God.

Now you know the secret to: what is the meaning of life?

It’s very simple when you think about it!!

[Hokulele]

And what, pray tell, does this have to do with the OP?

[Paulhoff]

Many people ask the question: what is the meaning of life?
Life means obedience to God.

Now you know the secret to: what is the meaning of life?

It’s very simple when you think about it!!
Yes, simple thoughts for simple people.

Obedience to a so-called god, what a pathetic so-called god you have Ali, it is time for a major upgrade.

Paul

:) :) :)

[bruto]

Many people ask the question: what is the meaning of life?
Life means obedience to God.

Now you know the secret to: what is the meaning of life?

It’s very simple when you think about it!!Watch out, though. If you ever actually think about it, you may find it less simple. Oh wait! What am I saying? Never mind. You're safe.

[William Smith]

Many people ask the question: what is the meaning of life?
Life means obedience to God.

Now you know the secret to: what is the meaning of life?

It’s very simple when you think about it!!

Did you take the wrong pills again, Ali? :rolleyes:

[William Smith]

Many people ask the question: what is the meaning of life?
Life means obedience to God.

Now you know the secret to: what is the meaning of life?

It’s very simple when you think about it!!

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[danielk]

Many people ask the question: what is the meaning of life?
Life means obedience to God.
I've seen the movie, and "obedience to God" wasn't the answer.

[Worm]

If God wants me to be obedient then he needs to clearer about his rules.

[Hawk one]

If God wants me to be obedient, he needs to stop being the biggest dick in the universe. (http://freethought.mbdojo.com/absurdityofsin.html)

Oh, and he needs to exist, instead of being merely a fairy tale.

[godless dave]

I'd rather have no meaning to my life than have the meaning be to be obedient to anyone else. I'm not big on obedience. I'm a man, not a dog or a horse.

[William Smith]

If God wants me to be obedient, he needs to stop being the biggest dick in the universe. (http://freethought.mbdojo.com/absurdityofsin.html)

Oh, and he needs to exist, instead of being merely a fairy tale.

Excellent link, Hawk one. Thanks.

[Correa Neto]

The Meaning of Life?

It's nothing very special really.

Try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations.

Too bad so many religious people don't get it... For them it all boils down to expecting their god to punish "the others".

[hcmom]

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Been grazing in the Corn God's garden?

[William Smith]

Been grazing in the Corn God's garden?

I went joycean.

[Greatest I am]

I'd rather have no meaning to my life than have the meaning be to be obedient to anyone else. I'm not big on obedience. I'm a man, not a dog or a horse.

Animals are at their happiest when they are calm submisive.

Regards
DL

[bruto]

Animals are at their happiest when they are calm submisive.

Regards
DL

Are you sure of this? What animals have you asked? Can you even be sure of what "happiness" means for an eagle, a cow, a trout or a wasp?

[Greatest I am]

Are you sure of this? What animals have you asked? Can you even be sure of what "happiness" means for an eagle, a cow, a trout or a wasp?

No. I cannot speak to animals. I can just interpret what I observe.
I watch the Dog whisperer. He is good at interpreting animal mental states.
I bow to his wisdom.

Regards
DL

[hcmom]

No. I cannot speak to animals. I can just interpret what I observe.
I watch the Dog whisperer. He is good at interpreting animal mental states.
I bow to his wisdom.

Regards
DL

If you can't interpret an animal's mental state, how is it possible for you to tell when someone else is doing it accurately?

[Greatest I am]

If you can't interpret an animal's mental state, how is it possible for you to tell when someone else is doing it accurately?




This is not quite what I said.
I know how to interpret whether a dog is calm versus attack mode.
I said I could not talk to them.
Some are better at interpreting the smaller subtleties than I.

Regards
DL

[Belz...]

Many people ask the question: what is the meaning of life?
Life means obedience to God.

Nope.

[bruto]

No. I cannot speak to animals. I can just interpret what I observe.
I watch the Dog whisperer. He is good at interpreting animal mental states.
I bow to his wisdom.

Regards
DLYou have not observed much, then, have you? A dog is a domestic animal, bred to be contented under conditions that do not exist for the vast majority of animals on earth. What can you say of the mental state of a butterfly or a tuna fish?

I should add that your original notion of what constitutes "happiness" rests on an assumption of what happiness is, which is at least bit tautological anyway. Who is to say what "happiness" means to an animal? If you assume that happiness is calm, then you have already gone halfway to insuring your own conclusion. I could as easily argue that a dog is happier having an orgasm than being petted by his master, or a hawk happier tearing the guts out of a mouse. The very idea of happiness is a human one.

[Greatest I am]

You have not observed much, then, have you? A dog is a domestic animal, bred to be contented under conditions that do not exist for the vast majority of animals on earth. What can you say of the mental state of a butterfly or a tuna fish?

Not much.

I will let you speak for them.

Regards
DL

[bruto]

Not much.

I will let you speak for them.

Regards
DLI would not have the presumption to speak for them, nor even to make the assumption that the concept of "happiness" applies to the great majority of animals, nor to make my guess a basis for opinions regarding obedience to God. It would be nonsense.

[Greatest I am]

I would not have the presumption to speak for them, nor even to make the assumption that the concept of "happiness" applies to the great majority of animals, nor to make my guess a basis for opinions regarding obedience to God. It would be nonsense.

To me, to obey God means to follow His philosophy. If you know a philosophy and decide to live it then following God or His philosophy becomes an act of concious volition. You want the same thing that God wants in that case and following is natural. There is no need to apply force and thinking of doing something other than what the philosophy wants only happens if there is something wrong or missunderstood about the philosophy.

Does this make sense.

Regards
DL

[bruto]

To me, to obey God means to follow His philosophy. If you know a philosophy and decide to live it then following God or His philosophy becomes an act of concious volition. You want the same thing that God wants in that case and following is natural. There is no need to apply force and thinking of doing something other than what the philosophy wants only happens if there is something wrong or missunderstood about the philosophy.

Does this make sense.

Regards
DL

I would say that that statement more or less makes sense, whether or not one actually believes either that God exists, or that God has a philosophy, or that his philosophy is knowable, or whether or not one agrees with it. I would argue that the last sentence is not quite all there yet, since if you acknowledge that following God's philosophy is an act of conscious volition, then it does not follow that even thinking of alternatives would not occur, unless you consider the act of volition to be a "one-shot" deal, after which conscious volition is abandoned or lost. To make a meaningful choice entails a certain level of both thought and consideration of alternatives. Most Christians, I think, would contend that morality consists in the ongoing process of choosing among alternatives, and rejecting sin, rather than simply ignoring it.

Anyway quibble is with your suggestion that animals are happiest when they are calm and submissive, and that the presumed feelings of animals, and more particularly the presumed feelings of domestic dogs, have any relevance at all to questions of how or whether humans should believe in a god or obey the god they do believe in. That would be nonsense!

[Greatest I am]

Bruto

You'r right. Not sure how animals got into this.

Regards
DL

[Foster Zygote]

You have not observed much, then, have you? A dog is a domestic animal, bred to be contented under conditions that do not exist for the vast majority of animals on earth. What can you say of the mental state of a butterfly or a tuna fish?

I should add that your original notion of what constitutes "happiness" rests on an assumption of what happiness is, which is at least bit tautological anyway. Who is to say what "happiness" means to an animal? If you assume that happiness is calm, then you have already gone halfway to insuring your own conclusion. I could as easily argue that a dog is happier having an orgasm than being petted by his master, or a hawk happier tearing the guts out of a mouse. The very idea of happiness is a human one.

I recently watched a program about a man who was introducing two zoo tigers that he had raised to a park in Africa, of all places. These cats seemed to view him as a family member. They would play and socialize with him regularly. After they had learned to make kills he made a point of periodically going over and taking some meat from them, just to remind them that he was dominant, lest they figure out the extent of their power and abandon him at best, or maim or kill him at worst.

[hcmom]

I KNOW I should just leave this alone, since it's so incredibly off topic, but I just can't let it go...


Do these two statements come close to seeming to mean the same thing?

No. I cannot speak to animals. I can just interpret what I observe.
I watch the Dog whisperer.He is good at interpreting animal mental states.
I bow to his wisdom.

Regards
DL

This is not quite what I said.
I know how to interpret whether a dog is calm versus attack mode.
I said I could not talk to them.
Some are better at interpreting the smaller subtleties than I.

Regards
DL

However, to nudge myself back in the right direction, why does it seem that the only reason homosexuality is wrong is because God said so. My kids don't even accept that as a reason when I tell them they have to, or can't, do something, when I tell them "because I said so".

[avocado]

It is not wrong.

It's wrong because it hurts


How would you know?
I don't imagine it would hurt. I mean stool can be pretty hefty, and rarely does it hurt whilst leaving the rectum. The average penis is about 6-7 inches in length, poo can reach that size.

It would probably feel like extricating a firm piece of stool. In reverse. :covereyes

[danielk]

It would probably feel like extricating a firm piece of stool. In reverse. :covereyes

Biggest Crap Ever! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzvvfnqo63w)

[William Smith]

Is this still technically a discussion about something or is this thread now keeping in line with this particular subforum's oeuvre of addleheaded muttering?

[biomorph]

i just had to pick this up....

No. I cannot speak to animals. I can just interpret what I observe.

And that is what the "dog whisperer" does.
Also dogs in particular do react to the spoken word, they just don't speak your verbal language back to you and do not have much if any of the language structure based on the human concept of it.
. so you could speak to animals rather than cannot, you can say what you like to them, conversing however, is language wise pretty much one way in the verbal sense of the word.

To get some sort of reaction to what you say is helped of course by both of you being interested in each other, but its not so essential on the more basic "all dogs do this because of that" type of training.

In fact all dog basic training starts (or ought to) out by just being reactionary on a primitive level to the dogs actions within its basic instinctual drive system.


I watch the Dog whisperer. He is good at interpreting animal mental states.
I bow to his wisdom.

Regards
DL

Actually from my own experience as a dog and horse handler i'd probably consider the interpretation to be just as valid by basing it on the animals body language, which is actually what the DW does.

No consideration of its mental state strictly speaking is involved or needed.

We as humans translate what we see the animal do in repeatable situations and work out whether it's hungry or whatever.
He observes the dogs body and repeatedly instructs the owners to watch the dogs body for those initial subtle clues as to what the dog is about to do. (read: react to) not the "mental state" of the dog

also in the broadcasts i've seen he seems to pretty much only use only one method in practice, and rightly applies it to the many but limited situations he knows it will work for.

to some (maybe not you) it might look like lots of different things he's doing, but , look again. ....

To be even more pedantic (?) he never whispers to anything to great effect on the show, never mind to the dog.

I got bored with it real quick, after a few shows.


although probably wildly off topic here, i'd rather chat about this than respond to Ali who i'm a bit bored with now.

holding on tight to the keyboard while mods move the thread.......:)

[biomorph]

I KNOW I should just leave this alone, since it's so incredibly off topic, but I just can't let it go...


Do these two statements come close to seeming to mean the same thing?





However, to nudge myself back in the right direction, why does it seem that the only reason homosexuality is wrong is because God said so. My kids don't even accept that as a reason when I tell them they have to, or can't, do something, when I tell them "because I said so".

well if they do that to you, god hasn't a chance has he?:D

[Greatest I am]

I KNOW I should just leave this alone, since it's so incredibly off topic, but I just can't let it go...


Do these two statements come close to seeming to mean the same thing?


I will be interested in the replies on this.

However, to nudge myself back in the right direction, why does it seem that the only reason homosexuality is wrong is because God said so. My kids don't even accept that as a reason when I tell them they have to, or can't, do something, when I tell them "because I said so".

Even God should be able to give a logical explanation for denegrating or discriminating against this social group.
Just like a father should be able to explain why he wants his children to do whatever he is requesting.

Regards
DL

[biomorph]

Even God should be able to give a logical explanation for denegrating or discriminating against this social group.

he doesn't appear to be available for comment, unfortunately.........ever


Just like a father should be able to explain why he wants his children to do whatever he is requesting.

Regards
DL

Or mother.
And if there is time to do so at some point.

[Greatest I am]

he doesn't appear to be available for comment, unfortunately.........ever



Or mother.
And if there is time to do so at some point.

Of course.

Regards
DL

[bruto]

Even God should be able to give a logical explanation for denegrating or discriminating against this social group.
Just like a father should be able to explain why he wants his children to do whatever he is requesting.

Regards
DL

"Should?" Tsk tsk. Nobody can tell God what he should or shouldn't do. All we can say is he ain't done it yet.

[Greatest I am]

"Should?" Tsk tsk. Nobody can tell God what he should or shouldn't do. All we can say is he ain't done it yet.

I don’t think He ever will.
I see man as having a political nature and a spiritual nature.
Politically, dealing with a physical world there may be good reasons to not lose genetic lines.
From the spiritual side, it should not care for saving genetic lines and should be mute on the subject.
I see no leg for God to stand on.

Regards
DL

[Paulhoff]

What so-called god.

Paul

:) :) :)

[articulett]

I don't let invisible people or their henchmen tell me what to do.

[Foster Zygote]

The beat goes on and I'm so wrong.
The beat goes on and I'm so wrong.
The beat goes on and I'm so wrong.

[DoubtingStephen]

The beat goes on and I'm so wrong.
The beat goes on and I'm so wrong.
The beat goes on and I'm so wrong.

I may be totally wrong, but I'm a
Dancin' fool, I'm a dancin' fool

[Ali]

However, to nudge myself back in the right direction, why does it seem that the only reason homosexuality is wrong is because God said so. My kids don't even accept that as a reason when I tell them they have to, or can't, do something, when I tell them "because I said so".


Anyone who wants to become wise will need to get close to God, and to get close you'll have to cleanse yourself.
There’s no other way.

:):):)

[KingMerv00]

Anyone who wants to become wise will need to get close to God, and to get close you'll have to cleanse yourself.
There’s no other way.

:):):)

You realize you are using words that form sentences but make no sense in context?

[KingMerv00]

No. I cannot speak to animals. I can just interpret what I observe.
I watch the Dog whisperer. He is good at interpreting animal mental states.
I bow to his wisdom.

Regards
DL

Jeez you'll just bow to anyone.

If you want to think and act like a dog you are welcome to. I, on the other hand, tend to think more than most dogs.

[Blue Mountain]

Anyone who wants to become wise will need to get close to God, and to get close you'll have to cleanse yourself.
There’s no other way.
You realize you are using words that form sentences but make no sense in context?
Speaking as a one time evangelical Christian, I can say his words make perfect sense within the context of evangelical Christianity. On a skeptic's board they do look a little like word salad.

[William Smith]

Anyone who wants to become wise will need to get close to God, and to get close you'll have to cleanse yourself.
There’s no other way.

:):):)

The only other way is for him to be bitten by gay lions and live to tell about it.

[Worm]

My knowledge of theology is pretty ropey, but isn't the concept that you get close to god to be cleansed - rather than the other way round?

[articulett]

If god is everywhere, that means he's in your rectum... how much closer to god could you get. Is it possible to even get away from an omnipresent, invisible, undetectable, immortal entity?

[Georg]

If god is everywhere, that means he's in your rectum...


:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek::eek:

What is god doing there? The cleansing? Or is god some sort of butt plug?

[articulett]

I don't know... omnipresesent means omnipresent, right?

The nuns didn't have a good answer when I asked them about that one as a kid either.

[Paulhoff]

Anyone who wants to become wise will need to get close to God, and to get close you'll have to cleanse yourself.
There’s no other way.

:):):)
Any truely wise person knows that there is no so-called god, and surely knows that there is no need for one either.

Paul

:) :) :)

Only the so-called dirty minded think that there is any need for cleansing.

[Georg]

I don't know... omnipresesent means omnipresent, right?

The nuns didn't have a good answer when I asked them about that one as a kid either.

Ah, the nuns....... I guess I know why they did not tell you more about it, you were regarded as being too young to talk about stuff like that......I mean, if god is omnipresent, it is only logical that he is also ......hmm....somewhere "in" the nuns, which would explain why they are called "wives of god". It all starts to make sense now.........

[Greatest I am]

What so-called god.

Paul

:) :) :)

Any God you would like to name.

Regards
DL

[bruto]

My knowledge of theology is pretty ropey, but isn't the concept that you get close to god to be cleansed - rather than the other way round?Indeed, and while we're at it, if wisdom is attained only after the cleansing and coming to god, then this implies that the decision to find god and be cleansed is made with no wisdom at all, simply on faith, and the faith itself based on something other than wisdom. Why would god want us to act stupidly in the hope of gaining wisdom? He's not very good at this stuff, is he? It would just be so much easier if he would just do something simple like making his existence clear. You know, if there really were a god, and he really were omnipotent and all those other omni qualities, he could make us believe in him in the blink of an eye. Of course to do this requires existence in the first place, which for the clumsy, arthritic old desert demiurge is a big big hurdle.

[Ladewig]

I don’t think He ever will.
I see man as having a political nature and a spiritual nature.
Politically, dealing with a physical world there may be good reasons to not lose genetic lines.
From the spiritual side, it should not care for saving genetic lines and should be mute on the subject.
I see no leg for God to stand on.



You have the right to believe that God should not care about saving genetic lines, but please be aware that the God of the Bible cares a great deal about genetic lines.

disclaimer: I am not a Christian and I disagree with the Bibles view on homosexuality.

[Foster Zygote]

If god is everywhere, that means he's in your rectum... how much closer to god could you get. Is it possible to even get away from an omnipresent, invisible, undetectable, immortal entity?

I'm reminded of an old Life In Hell by Matt Groening in which Little Bongo asks "If God is everywhere is he in the toilet?".

[articulett]

Any God you would like to name.

Regards
DL
Who named God?

(actual question asked by my son as a kid... neither of us were cut out for religion; irrepressibly irreverent from birth.)

[hcmom]

Anyone who wants to become wise will need to get close to God, and to get close you'll have to cleanse yourself.
There’s no other way.

:):):)

If "cleansing myself" involves not being able to make sensible, rational decisions on my own, I guess I'll be not meeting God.

[St.Michael]

Anyone who wants to become wise will need to get close to God, and to get close you'll have to cleanse yourself.
There’s no other way.

:):):)

Because there's never been any wise homosexuals? :rolleyes:

[Worm]

or atheists

:boggled:

[William Smith]

fluup fliip fluu

[bruto]

Found this tonight. Ali might not get it, but I think it's funny:

http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1055#comic

[Hokulele]

Found this tonight. Ali might not get it, but I think it's funny:




:D

[Skeptic Ginger]

Who named God?...Tibetan Monks, of course. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God)

[William Smith]

Found this tonight. Ali might not get it, but I think it's funny:

http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1055#comic

What's #2?

[Worm]

Newton's law of universal gravitation

Gravitational force is proportional to the product of the masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

[William Smith]

Newton's law of universal gravitation

Gravitational force is proportional to the product of the masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

Thanks.

[Ali]

Many people ask the question: what is the meaning of life?
Life means obedience to God.

Now you know the secret to: what is the meaning of life?

It’s very simple when you think about it!!


I have proof by deduction and by induction for the above statement.

:):):)

[William Smith]

I have proof by deduction and by induction for the above statement.

:):):)

I have proof by evidence that you're a bleeping bleep.

[Polaris]

I'm reminded of an old Life In Hell by Matt Groening in which Little Bongo asks "If God is everywhere is he in the toilet?".

Reading that panel was the exact pinpointed moment of the start of my atheism.

[Polaris]

fluup fliip fluu

I don't know why, but I found that hilarious.

Nobody explain it to me (if there is any explanation) - it might ruin the impression I got.