Shame it didn't read: Missing girl found alive in car boot...

[The Grave]

What with the hype by the media...

Who do you believe....

Vote now.....

http://madeleinemccann.blogspot.com/

Are they on the run ?

Or are they just home sick ?

[fuelair]

I think that whatever happened, the Portuguese investigators had carnal knowledge of the canine. Badly enough that unless someone just confesses, the truth will likely never come out.

[Beerina]

Or they find the body...

I predict another news story anywhere from months to years down the road when that happens.

[The Grave]

Quote from that site above:"Police Chief Attacks Kate And Gerry (http://madeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2007/09/police-chief-attacks-kate-and-gerry.html) "


Kate and Gerry McCann have hindered the investigation into their daughter's disappearance, says the man in charge of the Portuguese police federation.

Carlos Anjos, head of Asfic, said future interrogation of the couple was effectively pointless because they would, as is their right, refuse to speak. And he warned the investigation into Madeleine, who was three when she was reported missing, could end up taking a "very long time". A spokesman for the McCanns dismissed claims they were using their right to silence to withhold co-operation with police.

Mr Anjos said a "difficult and complex case" was "made worse by [the parent's] attitude".
He also said Kate and Gerry had told the portuguese police they would be making no further statements towards the investigation. Claims that the McCanns were hampering the Portuguese police's search for Madeleine were dismissed by the appointed spokesman for the couple, Clarence Mitchell.

Mr Mitchell said: "We are not prepared to comment on Mr Anjos's remarks but Kate and Gerry have always said they are willing to return to Portugal at any time to help the police with their investigations." Mr Anjos also said police progress remained slow. "This case is here for a long time because there is no apparent motive and it will be very difficult to prove if it was homicide if Madeleine's body is not found," he said.



Well I also read that Kate left the door UNLOCKED and later returned to find the window open....

Why would a burglar open a window when the door is unlocked?

The only people to see Maddy were her 2 parents; was she even alive between 6 and 9 pm?


ALSO: Gerry-
He believes he came in, opened the door and didn't have time to close it. "Once Gerry had left he would have known he had to come out very quickly and because Gerry went out through the patio door, went out through the window. "He has no proof but that is what he believes."
Mr McCann is believed to have gone to check on his three children at around 9.05pm and found them still asleep, including Madeleine.

It was Mr McCann's wife Kate who first discovered Madeleine was missing, having returned from a tapas restaurant where the couple were dining. It is believed that when she went to check on the children a gust of wind in the room caused the door to slam behind her. It was then that she realised that the bedroom window was open and her eldest daughter was gone.
She then raised the alarm at about 10pm."






Hang on? Gerry comes in, thinks someone's been in there and doesn't even bother to check??...He doesn't even close the "open" window that the alleged intruder has opened... so when Kate comes in, it's still open??? And the draught is caused??

How nice! How irresponsible!

How convienient!

[Ryokan]

Speculations, speculations. This sort of behavior doesn't belong on a sceptics board.

[Big Les]

And if you need examples of why, look no further than the latest piece of media circus BS:

Today - Gadzooks! Madeleine alive and being held captive (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2533072.ece) by dastardly Morrocan types!

Later today - Oh, hang on. It's Morrocan girlIt's with her own family (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/26/wmaddy826.xml)...

It's coming to something when a blurred image of a vaguely European-looking girl makes headline news before any critical eye is cast over it whatsoever.

[The Grave]

Well most people agree with me on the facts of the case....:uk:

1- the parents left 3 infants alone for unspecified lengths of time.

2- apart from the obvious reason we are interested in this case (a kidnapped/murdered child); we must consider the FACT that those 3 children could have got up and walked out of that room straight into the swimming pool or over a balcony... or simply drowned in the room's bath or shower... That's child neglect/abuse however you cut it.

3- it's abuse to leave them alone for too long.

4- is it that they were drugged??? And this is why these problems never occurred to them (or were dismissed by them)? If proved so, then they should be struck off by the medical council! That's poisoning! Maybe it went too far... who knows.

And skepticism is all about asking questions and trying to get to the truth..

Griff...

[Gurdur]

Two things skepticism isn't about are exaggeration and trial by lynchmobs. If you think you can prove child abuse, by all means, do make a visit to the Director Of Public Prosecutions.

[Ryokan]

And skepticism is all about asking questions and trying to get to the truth..

Scepticism is about looking at the evidence to get to the truth. In this case, we, as the public, have absolutely no evidence either way.

So you're just speculating. Speculation and scepticism is far from the same thing.

[Fnord]

Woo = Speculation + Wishful Thinking + Arrogance.

Science = Skepticism + Investigation + Facts.

I know ... overly-simplified ... but if the Portuguese investigators did not have "carnal knowledge of the canine," then either the perpetrators are exceptionally well-versed at covering up a crime, or no crime was committed .

[The Grave]

Two things skepticism isn't about are exaggeration and trial by lynchmobs. If you think you can prove child abuse, by all means, do make a visit to the Director Of Public Prosecutions.


EXAGGERATION? - oh do please point it out...'Gur' do...:uk:

[timhau]

Blah. Speculation is OK as long as you know it proves zilch and is not equal to doing research.

A skeptic speculates and is then shown evidence that goes contrary to these speculations. He/she goes with the evidence.

A woo speculates and is then shown evidence that goes contrary to these speculations. He/she goes with the speculations.

[Gurdur]

EXAGGERATION? - oh do please point it out...'Gur' do...

I take it you can't come up with the proof to justify a prosecution. What a surprise. So you're only emoting uselessly on a bulletin board. What a surprise. And you even post-fly the Union Jack as if it meant something here. What a surprise.

But do you actually have anything real to say?

[The Grave]

So isn't this child abuse/neglect:-


"abandoning" 3 infants for several hours to go drinking alcohol.
NOT providing "adequate" safety cover in the form of a baby-sitter.
NOT ensuring doors and windows are properly secured.
"neglecting" 3 infants for several hours, leaving them to their own devices, so they could have {a} got out of the room and fallen to death, or, {b} got into a bath or shower and drown while 'unattended' to, or, {c} [insert idea!].1 = Some people are 'selfish' and put their own self-interests before their children. My children are NEVER out of my care at home or on holiday. Many people who I have discussed this with, agree. The BOOZE culture of the British is well known throughout the world - I do not drink.

2 = This is self evident from the fact we are missing one 4 yr old girl!!!

3 = See '2' above!!!

4 = Well here we have a good one for the conspiracy theorists... Was the reason they were so confident that the children would 'sleep' because they knew they 'could not move' due to them having "drugged" them?

They both have access to medicines and have the skill to use them, and if that were the case, the charges should be more severe.

TheGrave....

[Matthew Best]

What charges?

[Darat]

I think they have been charged with "Not looking and acting like we think they should". It's a grievous charge which you are automatically found guilty of and results in a lifetime of persecution.

[Big Les]

I disagree with the level of speculation too, but it's not quite as simple as that Darat. Many armchair critics simply take issue (as do I) with the fact that their actions led to their child's disappearance, by negligence alone. That would be an issue for them and their conscience (and possibly social services) alone, if it wasn't for the massive media circus and public-grief junket that they have created.

[Matthew Best]

Of course, if they hadn't created a massive media circus, that would probably have been put forward as further evidence of their guilt.

[Beerina]

And if you need examples of why, look no further than the latest piece of media circus BS:

Today - Gadzooks! Madeleine alive and being held captive (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2533072.ece) by dastardly Morrocan types!

Probably sold into sexual slavery to Muslim perverts. :mad:


This reminds me more and more of that Susan Smith case where she claimed a "black man" stole her car with her kids in it.

In fact, she had driven it into a lake with the kids strapped in the back seat, who then drowned, because her boyfriend didn't want her because of her kids, from a previous marriage.