WTC7 witness: 'Countdown', 'Explosions'

[Undesired Walrus]

STbD9XMCOho

Teh Smoking Gun truthers are calling this.

[ref]

Checky checky this thread :)

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=93206

ETA: If you are not talking about this guy, my apologies. I can't watch youtube at work.

[leftysergeant]

Same guy, different footage, different narrative.

I like this guy less every time his nerdly mug crosses my monitor.

I think it is time for me to go poke another stick at the underbelly of the trolls trying to take over the liberal web sites.

[Panoply_Prefect]

Why is he shot from an extreme frog perspective? And what am I supposed to learn from this snippet?

/S

[Spins]

Why is he shot from an extreme frog perspective? And what am I supposed to learn from this snippet?

/S
I think we are all supposed to learn that the countdown went "3 ... 2 ... 1 ... BA BOOOOM!"

[Panoply_Prefect]

I think we are all supposed to learn that the countdown went "3 ... 2 ... 1 ... BA BOOOOM!"

Yes, he did say "BA BOOOOM!" a lot. However I imagine there were a lot of "BA BOOOM" going on that day. The guy does say he has no idea what he heard and what it was about, he's just randomly speculating Plus, he accurately describes the sound of a real controlled demolition (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1163325265308161708&q=controlled+demolition&total=1350&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9), only he claims the "BA BOOOOM!" didn't sound like such.

Nothing new as I understand it.

/S

[bonavada]

STbD9XMCOho

Teh Smoking Gun truthers are calling this.

o no not another "smokin' gun" i mean how many of those do you need....?

from roget:-

"smoking gun definition"

Some Synonyms: damning evidence, absolute indication, conclusive evidence, corroboration, incontrovertible evidence, indisputable evidence, proof, sure sign, telltale, unmistakable sign, verification

off the top of my head i can think of at least a dozen of twoofdom "smokers" none of which yet fit the bill. will they ever give up?

BV

[Shrinker]

Why is he shot from an extreme frog perspective? And what am I supposed to learn from this snippet?

/S

He's shot like that, looking up at buildings, so that as he tells his story we imagine looking up in the same way. It gives the (possibly misleading) impression that the action occured close to the tower.

[Panoply_Prefect]

He's shot like that, looking up at buildings, so that as he tells his story we imagine looking up in the same way. It gives the (possibly misleading) impression that the action occured close to the tower.

Oh, it gave me the impression of a really, really tiny camera man...

[ref]

This is just one more lie manufactured by the Alex Jones posse.

Others, just to refresh our memory. Remember, these others are all still online, they have not removed these false accusations.

"In a stunning and belated development concerning the attacks of 9/11 Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish the Solomon Bros. building, or WTC 7, late in the afternoon of Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001."
World Trade Center 7 Imploded by Silverstein, FDNY and Others (http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/FDNY.htm)


"Tuesday's MSNBC 'Countdown With Keith Olbermann' show featured a professor who sought to debunk the fact that Building 7 was demolished artificially by explosives."
Link (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/111104debunkerattacks.htm)

"We know for a fact that although the building had been evacuated there were still secret service personel in the building who died when it collapsed. They weren’t told to evacuate."
Link (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/220605silversteinresponds.htm)

"People Died in WTC 7: This Makes Silverstein and the FDNY Guilty of AT LEAST Manslaughter"
Link (http://www.prisonplanet.com/012004watson.html)

[MarkyX]

So these guys keep changing their story and finally "coming out" years later, but the NYFD hasnt' changed their story since they first talked about, 6 years ago.

Why can't these people interview people like Chief Daniel Nigro?

[ref]

So these guys keep changing their story and finally "coming out" years later, but the NYFD hasnt' changed their story since they first talked about, 6 years ago.

Why can't these people interview people like Chief Daniel Nigro?

Because they don't like the things he is saying.

[~enigma~]

Yes, he did say "BA BOOOOM!" a lot.

I think he meant bada bing bada boom...hey, somebody had to say it :)

[JamesB]

This guy continues to add stuff to the story. Now apparently in addition to the FDNY and Red Cross being in on it, so is Amy Goodman.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/280907_new_revelations.htm

Despite numerous attempts to glean information from Red Cross officials, McPadden and other first responders were told nothing while one official, shortly after talking to firemen, held his hand over his radio and told them to "just sit tight" and "calm down" before admitting "they're thinking about bringing the building down."

McPadden and his colleagues were miffed as to what the official meant by this statement, initially thinking the building next to them was possibly being brought down.

"He took his hand off for the last three seconds of it - and you hear three, two, one," said McPadden, adding that the official then gave a heartfelt look and told the first responders, "just run for your life."

McPadden got the impression that the Red Cross official had been ordered not to give the first responders a warning that the building was coming down.

"And you heard - boom, boom, boom," said McPadden, describing the sound of bombs tearing down the building.

McPadden explained that the reason Democracy Now host Amy Goodman and others were captured on video (watch above) running from the scene and reaching stationary onlookers as the building started to collapse is that they were able to hear the full countdown on the radio further own the street.

Later in the interview, McPadden reveals how he witnessed up close steel beams from the twin towers that had been symmetrically cut at perfect angles as is shown in this image - a clear sign that explosives were used. McPadden said that officials were acting very suspiciously and subsequently prevented people from getting near the beams.

He also highlighted the fact that "vicious security" was quickly set up around certain areas of ground zero and that people were barred from accessing certain areas for no reason and also had their cameras confiscated.

When McPadden attempted to report that secondary explosions were heard by numerous people, he was harshly ordered to "shut up" and "don't repeat it" by superiors.

He also talked to numerous firefighters who acknowledged that they also heard secondary explosions, but said that "Obviously somewhere in their command structure, they were told to shut up."

[Viper Daimao]

<Lilu from 5th element> Big Bada Boom! </lilu>

[CHF]

STbD9XMCOho

Teh Smoking Gun truthers are calling this.

So the FDNY and Red Cross blew up WTC7 and now he did hear 3, 2, 1.

I wonder what he'll add next week.

[Disbelief]

So the FDNY and Red Cross blew up WTC7 and now he did hear 3, 2, 1.

I wonder what he'll add next week.

That he saw the covert demolition team enter the building with explosives and det cord.

[Mangoose]

Two days after arriving at ground zero to clear debris from the smoking ruins of the World Trade Center, David Miller could feel the physical effects.

"I was practically blind, I was coughing, I had blisters all up and down my arms," the National Guardsman said Sunday at a discussion about lingering health problems among first responders. "If I'd been smart, I wouldn't have gone back."

Nearly five years later, the 39-year-old suffers from hacking, bloody coughs, chronic lung infections, skin rashes and a 60 percent loss of lung capacity, he said.

Miller was among several first responders to speak Sunday at the event organized by the nonprofit group New York 9/11 Truth, which claims that the government covered up intelligence failures leading to the attacks and accuses officials of exposing rescue workers to toxic conditions at ground zero.

Kevin McPadden, a former Air Force medic, said his rescue and recovery work in the days after the Sept. 11, 2001, left him struggling with depression and anger.

"Every day is a challenge," he said. "I really don't feel alive. I'm a very bitter man."

From Associated Press Online [via Lexis Nexis], June 26, 2006.

[CHF]

This clown is one of the lamest "smoking guns" so far.

I mean holy crap, if one were to make up a story about WTC7 being blown up you'd think they'd know better than to implicate the Red Cross of all people!

[CHF]

"Every day is a challenge," he said. "I really don't feel alive. I'm a very bitter man."

Ah, OK. That explains a lot.

[leftysergeant]

Has anybody ever written anything in a publicly accessable venue print or web, that mentions this guy's home town, place of employment, supposed rank or unit?

All we ever seem to get is that he is in the Air Force Reserves.

Hmmmm...

[LashL]

Has anybody ever written anything in a publicly accessable venue print or web, that mentions this guy's home town, place of employment, supposed rank or unit?

All we ever seem to get is that he is in the Air Force Reserves.

Hmmmm...

I was about to ask a similar question. I am, naturally, skeptical of this fellow, and would like to see some verification of his background and of his alleged presence at the World Trade Center on 9/11 and following.

From what I have been able to glean from the interwebs, he claims to be a former Air Force medic, but I have not seen anything to indicate when he served or anything about his current status.

[Panoply_Prefect]

This guy continues to add stuff to the story. Now apparently in addition to the FDNY and Red Cross being in on it, so is Amy Goodman.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/280907_new_revelations.htm


"And you heard - boom, boom, boom," said McPadden, describing the sound of bombs tearing down the building.




Is this the same guy from the video in the OP? Has he changed his story then?

/S

[JamesB]

Is this the same guy from the video in the OP? Has he changed his story then?

/S

He changes and embellishes the story every time he is interviewed. Last year he was interviewed and he never mentioned a "countdown". Seems like an important thing to leave out really.

Then he says he didn't hear a countdown, he just heard a pulse on the radio. Then he says that he heard it "clearly". This is the first time he mentioned Amy Goodman hearing the countdown (which is odd, considering he can't even decide whether he heard it or not).

It is also the first time the "cut beams" and "my superiors told me to keep quiet" make an appearance. He says he just showed up as a volunteer, so who exactly were his superiors? Was he afraid of getting fired from a job that he didn't have in the firstplace?

[ref]

I smell something. That's it. I smell a FRAUD.

[BenBurch]

How do we file an FOIA on this guy?

I am trying to find the information now, but I bet somebody here already knows how.

[patchbunny]

I mean holy crap, if one were to make up a story about WTC7 being blown up you'd think they'd know better than to implicate the Red Cross of all people!
Maybe he thinks the Red Cross uses all that plasma to cut steel?

--Patch

[leftysergeant]

I have been posting the challenge on other boards where I meet MIHOPs asking them to prove that the individual is what he claims to be.

Funny that he has never been mentioned in his hometown press, where ever that may be. If he lived in a market that has a newspaper that has access to the internet, there should be at least one Google hit if they had heard of him. But the only press he talks to is the counter-culture network. Interesting.

He seems to have come out of nowhere on 9/11.

I smell woo-woo.

[BenBurch]

Leftysergeant - I am in the middle of being attacked for questioning this guy. The person attacking me claims to be in contact with friends of his and promises a slander suit! I asked him to ask the fellow to sign a form DA-180 to release his DD-214 service records to me. Want to bet what the answer will be?

EDIT: Here is the place where I am being threatened; tinyurl.com <slash> ytxukh

[JamesB]

Leftysergeant - I am in the middle of being attacked for questioning this guy. The person attacking me claims to be in contact with friends of his and promises a slander suit! I asked him to ask the fellow to sign a form DA-180 to release his DD-214 service records to me. Want to bet what the answer will be?

EDIT: Here is the place where I am being threatened; tinyurl.com <slash> ytxukh

I wouldn't worry, if you could successfully sue people for things you say about obscure characters on the Internet, our courts would be so full they would not function. I had a guy threaten to sue me in the UK once, never heard from him again, and I still say he is an idiot.

[leftysergeant]

I have actually gone so far as to post a picture of my ID card and DD214 with carefully-placed yellow stickies to a board and people still think I'm lying about my credentials to address military affairs, yet this McPadden fool is accepted at face value just because he knows AJ and Dylan. Freaking brilliant, these twoofers!

[danielk]

Then he says he didn't hear a countdown, he just heard a pulse on the radio.

Is this Independence Day?

[Panoply_Prefect]

I have actually gone so far as to post a picture of my ID card and DD214 with carefully-placed yellow stickies to a board and people still think I'm lying about my credentials to address military affairs, yet this McPadden fool is accepted at face value just because he knows AJ and Dylan. Freaking brilliant, these twoofers!

I assume that you are Ben Burch at that site? I note that none of your opponents put up any evidence of the OP, they just continue their endless compiling of name-lists (btw, what do they think about Jowenkos analysis of the WTC1 and 2 collapses?)

But I wonder about this (post #27 (http://www.democraticwarrior.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164516&postcount=27)):


The most telling debunking is that the tiny balls of matter he examined were dust found in some chick's apartment LONG after demolition (using thermite, BTW) had begun at the site.
Did they use thermite at GZ?

[Comsat Angel]

Lauro Chavez/Mike the EMT/Sooper Seekrit Artillery Guy -

- is there no end to these frauds?