Curing AIDS with Vitamin C- who knew?

[Geek Goddess]

I looked back several pages and didn't see this discussed recently. An 18-year-old friend of my son sent this. He had accompanied my son and I on the recent JREF cruise, and got to be around some critical thinkers and scientists, which I believe opened his eyes to a new way of looking at the world.

He was doing a research project for school and came across this link, where a doctor 'ignored by the medical community' has been curing AIDS for over 10 years. Riiiight.

Link (http://www.cqs.com/aidscure.htm)

[fls]

I looked back several pages and didn't see this discussed recently. An 18-year-old friend of my son sent this. He had accompanied my son and I on the recent JREF cruise, and got to be around some critical thinkers and scientists, which I believe opened his eyes to a new way of looking at the world.

He was doing a research project for school and came across this link, where a doctor 'ignored by the medical community' has been curing AIDS for over 10 years. Riiiight.

Link (http://www.cqs.com/aidscure.htm)

That's probably how my mom was cured of AIDS. She's always taking megadoses of Vitamin C. She had a positive test for HIV the last time she went to donate blood, but it was gone when she had it checked again a few weeks later.

Screening in an extremely low prevalence population and the long pre-clinical period has been a real boon to the DIM* industry.

Linda

*Demonstrably Ineffective Medicine (my new name for sCAM).

[Miss Anthrope]

I just never stop getting angry about this. What gets into the hearts and minds of these quacks. These are human lives!!!

I'm probably going to lose a second person in my life to AIDS in the next year or two. The first one was my brother. He was only 32.

I really, really want to kick these people where it hurts. Repeatedly.

[fagin]

This is the chap

Dr Ian Brighthope, m.b., b.s., DIP. Agr. Sc., M.A.T.A., F.A.C.N.E.M.
President of the Australasian College of Nutritional & Environmental Medicine

Looks like he originally studied to be a farmer.

One of his editorials here.

http://203.31.16.60/Resources/Brighthope.htm

Basically bangs on about how conventional medicine treats alt medicine unfairly

'Double standards exist in judging orthodox and complementary medicine and these double standards should not remain unchallenged.'

What this means in brighthope doublespeak is that

"Critics of complementary medicine often seem to operate a double standard, being far more assiduous in their attempts to outlaw unevaluated complementary medical practices than unevaluated orthodox practices".

Unevaluated orthodox practices? I would have thought all unevaluated practices should be outlawed.

"There is a poverty of medical evidence to support the majority of present day medical practices. Action is required to correct these deficiencies. The call was backed by the Prince of Wales."
Good old Charlie - no woo woo there obviously.

"I am arguing for a clear demedicalisation of' the health system."

nuff said

[fagin]

I just never stop getting angry about this. What gets into the hearts and minds of these quacks. These are human lives!!!

I'm probably going to lose a second person in my life to AIDS in the next year or two. The first one was my brother. He was only 32.

I really, really want to kick these people where it hurts. Repeatedly.

Hearts?
Minds?

Yeah right

(sorry just wanted my 51st post. Finally all growed up)

[Madalch]

Wallets, obviously. These quacks have neither hearts nor minds.

[zombiebex]

Brighthope?! Seriously?? That can't be the guy's real name. :rolleyes:

[fagin]

It's his name, no idea whether it's real.

[fuelair]

I just never stop getting angry about this. What gets into the hearts and minds of these quacks. These are human lives!!!

I'm probably going to lose a second person in my life to AIDS in the next year or two. The first one was my brother. He was only 32.

I really, really want to kick these people where it hurts. Repeatedly.



So they can practice internal auto fellation.

[Deetee]

I have been debunking and countering this drivel for the last 10 years or so. Nothing surprises me anymore.

Mathias Rath (http://www.skepdic.com/rath.html) is a quack of the highest order. After being accused of causing the death of a child in Germany with his vitamins (a charge he somehow evaded and extracted $100k damages from the British Medical Journal (http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=37846&c=1) in so doing) he found a spiritual home in South Africa where the Government's line was that mulnutrition and vitamin deficiency caused AIDS, not HIV.

He created a company in SA to sell vitamin cures for AIDS (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2005/jun/30/badscience), at great profit. He has set up unapproved studies (http://www.tac.org.za/ns02_11_2005.htm) to give vitamins to AIDS patients (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Aids_Focus/0,,2-7-659_1826673,00.html) while claiming that HIV therapy is "toxic" and "lethal" and discouraging patients from taking it.

http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/59AB8C74-AF40-4500-A389-9B39DA28E7EA.asp

http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1483821,00.html


This is the man who tried to accuse drug companies of the world of genocide (http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/The_Hague/complaint/index.html) for making life-saving drugs.
A man who has tried to get the AIDS activist Zackie Achmat charged with genocide (http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/pdf-files/TIG_Achmat_pressrelease-20070115.pdf) for campaigning to introduce life-saving HIV therapy into South Africa.
A man who was completely unabashed when it was revealed that of the 3 patients he paraded at a press conference attesting to the remarkable success of his vitamin AIDS cure, 2 were actually on antiretrovirals and had been told to deny this, and the third died within 4 weeks from AIDS.

People like Rath not only have no heart, soul or brains, but are positively evil.

[Naughtyhippo]

Is he the guy that claims all the doctors in the west are in a giant conspiracy to cover up the fact that it's the drugs prescribed for HIV that cause AIDS symptoms, that the initial diagnosis was a mistake but no-one will recant because the pharma companies make too much money from it? Or is this drivel I've picked up on the internet somewhere.....

ETA: Hmmmm, thinking over this I don't think it's the same guy as this 'theory' implies AIDS doesn't exist.

[Deetee]

Is he the guy that claims all the doctors in the west are in a giant conspiracy to cover up the fact that it's the drugs prescribed for HIV that cause AIDS symptoms, that the initial diagnosis was a mistake but no-one will recant because the pharma companies make too much money from it? Or is this drivel I've picked up on the internet somewhere.....

ETA: Hmmmm, thinking over this I don't think it's the same guy as this 'theory' implies AIDS doesn't exist.
Depends - there are severall kooks who subscribe to these theories. One of them is a chap called Duesberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Duesberg) - that may be the one you heard about as he is one of the most prominent denialists