If...

[JetLeg]

If the old testament would be accurate with its description of god, and humanity would gain enough power to disrobe this god of his omnipotence - would you punish him in any way, and in what way if so?

[wollery]

How the crap do you take away an omnipotent deity's omnipotence?? :confused:

[Ducky]

How the crap do you take away an omnipotent deity's omnipotence?? :confused:

By asking it "What does God need with a starship?"


The premise of the OP belongs in fiction, and is not worth the time to discuss in any meaningful way.

Therefore, let us all play the game of naming plots and plot devices in hollywood in which GOD is stripped of powers.

[Wheezebucket]

Ooh, if I could disrobe God, how would I punish him? Well first we'd have to establish a safe word...

[JetLeg]

How the crap do you take away an omnipotent deity's omnipotence?? :confused:

Ducky answered it well, but if you have to ask - I guess that an omnipotent deity should have the potency to cease become omnipotent? An omnipotent deity that its omnipotence cannot be taken away is lacking this potency, and therefore is not omnipotent.

[JetLeg]

Ooh, if I could disrobe God, how would I punish him? Well first we'd have to establish a safe word...

What do you mean?

[Wheezebucket]

What do you mean?

Well, you see, when two adults like each other in that special, sadomasochistic way...

[JollyRoger]

Therefore, let us all play the game of naming plots and plot devices in hollywood in which GOD is stripped of powers.

Um you could take away his magic wand:D

[gahnzz]

Ooh, if I could disrobe God, how would I punish him? Well first we'd have to establish a safe word...

I think the ideal safe word to use would be "Darwin!"

Maybe that' s just me.

[DangerousBeliefs]

What do you mean?

Safeword (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safeword)

:D

I don't think the new testament is much better.

I would be amazed... it would be like talking to Santa Claus or He-Man. Then I'd probably let the nuns have him.

[plumjam]

How the crap do you take away an omnipotent deity's omnipotence?? :confused:

a lump of kryptonite the size of Jupiter might just do it

[JetLeg]

I don't think the new testament is much better.



What don't you like about the New Testament?

[JetLeg]

Safeword (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safeword)

:D


You would have SadoMasochistic sex with god?

:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp

Why?

[TX50]

Long drawn out show-trial followed by a sloppy hanging.

[DangerousBeliefs]

What don't you like about the New Testament?

Well, there is that little problem of the story of Jesus having virtually no supporting historical evidence...

[JetLeg]

Oh, I thought your intent was from a moral point of view.

Do you see any moral problems?

[slingblade]

What don't you like about the New Testament?

I used to get hit in the head with it.

And Paul can kiss my non-submissive ***.

[Smiledriver]

If the old testament would be accurate with its description of god, and humanity would gain enough power to disrobe this god of his omnipotence - would you punish him in any way, and in what way if so?

No...he's God, he is by his nature without fault. Further, it would be inconcievable for him to "disrobed" in the sense you intend.

[Wheezebucket]

You would have SadoMasochistic sex with god?

:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp

Why?

Why not? Who could pass up relations with a deity?!

Not me!

[Lonewulf]

The premise of the OP belongs in fiction, and is not worth the time to discuss in any meaningful way.

As far as I'm concerned, everything religious belongs in fiction...

And 50% of the discussions here are hypothetical, at least. Why do you attack this particular one?

Why not? Who could pass up relations with a deity?!

Not me!

Eh, only if God takes a female form. I don't swing that way. ;)

Personally, would I punish God? Eh, I'm not one of those "hurt people to make them pay" type people. I'm not big on revenge. I would try to keep God from gaining power again, take control of Heaven and Hell, and get rid of Hell.

Then, martinis for all. Yes, even people like Hitler. If he acts up again, I'll just get the Jews to smack him a few times.

[Seismosaurus]

You would have SadoMasochistic sex with god?

:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp

Why?

I definitely would, but only if god turns out to be female.

After all, god would surely be the greatest Domme of all time!

[Wheezebucket]

Man, you people are picky. But if you're that worried about God's dangly bits, remember, he's omnipotent! Just ask him to turn his outy into an inny and you're good to go.

Me? I'd go for some kind of bizarre, monster-ish, dinosaur/angelic mass, living light combo or something. Just go crazy with it, you know? If you're gonna ride a bicycle, why stay on the sidewalk? Who knows when you're gonna get a shot at a deity again, better make the most of it, I say.

[madurobob]

Why not? Who could pass up relations with a deity?!

Not me!
I used to have girlfriend who would scream "Oh God! Oh God!" while in the throes of passion. I was pretty sure at that point in the game that I was more of a passive observer than an active participant in the goings on.

So, there just may be something to this "sex with god" idea (and, there nerve of that guy!).

[slingblade]

So, if pigs were park benches, and kittens were made out of butter, what--if anything--would you put on your hair?

[Taffer]

So, if pigs were park benches, and kittens were made out of butter, what--if anything--would you put on your hair?

A duck, of course.

[slingblade]

<smacks forehead>

Of course!

[wollery]

Man, you people are picky. But if you're that worried about God's dangly bits, remember, he's omnipotent! Just ask him to turn his outy into an inny and you're good to go.Except that he's just been deomnipotentized (neologism, woot!!) so he can't.

[Lonewulf]

Except that he's just been deomnipotentized (neologism, woot!!) so he can't.

If I have the power to take his power away, then certainly I have the power to give him boobies.

[Wheezebucket]

If I have the power to take his power away, then certainly I have the power to give him boobies.

Give *everything* boobies! Make the world a better place!!!

[Taffer]

Give *everything* boobies! Make the world a better place!!!

Even the booobies boobies? Would that be boobies all the way down, or boobies all the way up?

[Lonewulf]

Give *everything* boobies! Make the world a better place!!!
Sure, everyone but me will have boobies, be female, and be my version of "hot".

Also, there will always be cake and ice cream, and no one gets fat (except for the women that kinda look hot when rather tubby...)

And a few other fantasies of mine, that I'd rather not divulge to the public even though I already kinda have on the "Sexual Fantasies" thread. :D

[Wheezebucket]

Man, we all totally saved this thread.

Well done, everyone.

[Beerina]

Even the booobies boobies? Would that be boobies all the way down, or boobies all the way up?

Maybe spiral galaxies are just God's nipple jewelry, ala Janet Jackson?

[JetLeg]

Maybe spiral galaxies are just God's nipple jewelry, ala Janet Jackson?

:blush:
LOL

[Tressa]

How the crap do you take away an omnipotent deity's omnipotence?? :confused:
You get another Q, I mean deity, to do it for you.

[Tressa]

Maybe spiral galaxies are just God's nipple jewelry, ala Janet Jackson?
Or God's version of a Prince Albert perhaps?

[schlitt]

You mean if god was manifested in human form?

I would probably nail him to a cross.

[Complexity]

What don't you like about the New Testament?


Second verse; same as the first.

Both are utterly woo.

[JetLeg]

Second verse; same as the first.

Both are utterly woo.

But I guess that you agree that there is nothing wrong in the morals in it.

[SomeGuy]

But I guess that you agree that there is nothing wrong in the morals in it.

Yeah I agree, if my son ever becomes disobedient, I will take him outside the city walls and stone him.

But I didn't need a book to come up with that solution!

[JetLeg]

And what about the love part?

[Lonewulf]

And what about the love part?

I'd honestly need to see evidence of this love to actually believe it exists. But then you'd need evidence that God exists in the first place for me to believe that, first. But let's go by this Bible, and assume that it's mostly true.

Well, okay. This God guy "loves" us. We're his babies. We're the key to Him winning the science fair at God University Tech (GUT, german for "Good"... hey, I made a nifty acronym!). Whatever.

Now, He loves humanity, even though He put us in the middle of an expansive universe that makes humans so utterly insignificant, that we're the bacteria on the ass-end of the Universe. But let's ignore that.

He then allows us to die horribly, and even programs our bodies to be able to experience agony that is, in the end, unnecessary. I mean, pain is useful, but agony so strong that you can't even think or act while you're in the throes of extreme pain? What kind of loving God would program that? Then there's all the other nasty bacteria and virii that God put on the earth to horribly kill all of us.

And then, what do we have to look forward to? Well, if you believe most religions (and if you don't, then I'll leave you free to show them all how they're wrong), you either go to Heaven or Hell. There was once the idea of "Purgatory", but I guess people did away with that. Now, in Heaven, you get to live forever in happiness, and in Hell, you're tortured... but only if you worship God, and do whatever God tells you to do.

So, let get this straight. God loves us SO MUCH... that He doesn't intervene to make any of us happy, essentially leaving us to do everything ourselves (I would like to see evidence of an actual, real-to-life "miracle" that people talk about, that cannot be explained by secular probability, physics, or logic). Then He doesn't appear before us, making it hard for us to believe in Him. He stays invisible, essentially making it impossible for people to believe except by making a "leap of faith", and then tortures us if we don't make that "leap". Essentially, Hell disproves the "all-loving" factor, and if you remove Hell entirely, you still get the whole "suffering on Earth, needing to believe in an invisible man". You also get the fact that people like Hitler get to go to Heaven, which I know quite a few theologians seem to object to the idea of.

In essence, even if you say God exists, it's hard to call Him loving. He says that He loves us, but with all the punishment, torture, and hell-on-earth he gives to the majority of people, I'm not entirely sure I agree.

Where was God when people enslaved other people? Where was God when children die of cancer? Why is that prayer supposedly heals people, but He's perfectly fine to let people who don't pray rot?

If God was all-loving, then that means that his love is supposed to be unconditional. It does not mean "I love you, but only if you do exactly what I say, when I say it; if you don't, I torture you and make your life a living hell". However, he's not all-loving, if you go by any source that says that He exists. The only half-way logical viewpoint of God, Deism, doesn't even have Him love us. To Him, we're just spokes in the grand design of his machine. He's indifferent, like a cold father that doesn't pay child support.

Oh, and one more thing. God also had it so that we would wallow in our own ignorance, dying horribly in child birth and of easily treated illnesses. In the Bible, when he's making all of these fancy revelations, the only Healer he sends down (his alleged Son), goes around only healing the people he comes across. If He didn't come across you, you're basically screwed. "Sorry, didn't see you there! Oh well, hope you don't die too horribly of that horrible cancer in your lungs!"

When he's making these alleged "revelations", he could have dropped down the cure for Cancer, AIDS, Syphillus, every single disease that He put on the Earth, before they even ended up existing! Actually, he could have gotten rid of them altogether. But did He? Nah, that takes too much work. He was probably too busy watching the Cosmic super bowl.

[JetLeg]

Actually, I meant Jesus's talks about love

[Lonewulf]

Actually, I meant Jesus's talks about love
You mean the "Love your Neighbor, but remind them that they'll go to hell if they don't worship my Dad, who is me" kind of love?

[JetLeg]

Love your neighbour - yes.


Hell - not in the NT.

[Lonewulf]

Love your neighbour - yes.
The "love your neighbor" stuff is okay, but Jesus still struck me as a hypocrite. He said to not call other men fools, and then practically in the same breath called people fools. Of course, like most leaders, he would fall into the "do as I say, not do as I do" section.

To be honest, though, Jesus struck me as a sorta cool guy, although I admit I like MLK a lot more.

This "God" guy, though, that's the one I don't quite like.

Hell - not in the NT.
Are you so sure (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hel_bibl.htm) on that one?

Actually, as far as I understand it, Hell doesn't really come up until the New Testament. It's in the Old Testament where it's hard to find.

[alfaniner]

...

Oh, sorry. Thought this was going to be a thread about Bread.

[Beerina]

It occurs to me that God is similar to the Emperor from Star Wars, right at the end when he's frying Luke. That's like God after he throws people into Hell for takine a weiner in the pooper, or making out with someone before you're married, and your hands stray a little.

[Complexity]

But I guess that you agree that there is nothing wrong in the morals in it.


Guess again.

[JetLeg]

Guess again.

Alright, what is wrong with the morals in New-Testament?

[Taffer]

"Do as I say or suffer for all eternity."

[Hokulele]

Alright, what is wrong with the morals in New-Testament?


I Cor. 14:34-35

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.