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Pyrts
1st October 2007, 05:21 PM
I don't see a match for this URL in this area, so I thought I would bring it to the group's attention. There have, indeed, been a number of clinical trials for homeopathic medicine as well as meta analysis of a number of trials.

It failed miserably, of course, but many of you will be interested in the details:
http://altmed.creighton.edu/Homeopathy/Clinical%20Trials%20on%20Homeopathy%20Published%20 from%201998%20to%202002.htm#11

I should also add that the few trials which showed the homeopathic remedy had a slight impact were those published in homeopathic journals and magazines. On at least one of them, I did NOT see "randomized double blind" trial.

Deetee
2nd October 2007, 05:54 AM
Quite a number of these trials have been DBPC studies.
I am deeply concerned. Do the homeopaths conducting the trials not know of the widely-accepted dogma that homeopathy cannot possibly be tested properly in this manner?

Zep
2nd October 2007, 06:07 AM
More accurately, they contend that if the following two conditions are met, the study is definitely invalid:

1) It was DBPC;
2) It showed no homeopathic effect.

Whereas, of course, if either one is NOT met, the study IS valid! :boggled:

Garrette
2nd October 2007, 07:54 AM
More accurately, they contend that if the following two conditions are met, the study is definitely invalid:

1) It was DBPC;
2) It showed no homeopathic effect.

Whereas, of course, if either one is NOT met, the study IS valid! :boggled:I never understood why I always lost that argument in school:

Teacher, this test is only a valid demonstration of my subject-matter expertise if you set the answers on your desk and leave the room. In addition, if I fail to answer the sufficient number of questions correctly it is an indication of the low quality of your questions. The only proper way to discern the level of my knowledge given the new Alternative Testing Paradigm is simply to ask me what grade I would get if I took the test. I promise I will answer truthfully.

H3LL
2nd October 2007, 08:24 AM
I never understood why I always lost that argument in school:

Teacher, this test is only a valid demonstration of my subject-matter expertise if you set the answers on your desk and leave the room. In addition, if I fail to answer the sufficient number of questions correctly it is an indication of the low quality of your questions. The only proper way to discern the level of my knowledge given the new Alternative Testing Paradigm is simply to ask me what grade I would get if I took the test. I promise I will answer truthfully.

:D:D:D

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Pyrts
2nd October 2007, 08:31 AM
Quite a number of these trials have been DBPC studies.
I am deeply concerned. Do the homeopaths conducting the trials not know of the widely-accepted dogma that homeopathy cannot possibly be tested properly in this manner?

Actually, I don't think all of them were conducted by homeopaths. There have been a number of tests of alternative medicine throughout the years, and clinical trials for alternative therapies are still ongoing. Here's an example of one that was done and is now completed:
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00009594;jsessionid=F157E68EBA99E3A0AF61E180F49 0F9EE?order=3

and another:
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00097136;jsessionid=28A88E4625C2374101A66567592 2284B?order=16