Bigfoot: The Invisible Variety

[Diogenes]

tube, I have already color enhanced and everything else, on my invisible bigfoot pictures, and came up with zip. That one was at about 25 yards away, at night and in a clear cut.


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[Diogenes]

Originally Posted by historian View Post
tube, I have already color enhanced and everything else, on my invisible bigfoot pictures, and came up with zip.
How do you know you got pictures of an invisible bigfoot if he was invisible? I'm not following the logic.

Speaking of invisibility:

Originally Posted by from Wikipedia
According to the laws of physics as presently understood, a perfectly invisible person would necessarily be blind, no matter how their invisibility were achieved. In order to see light, it must be absorbed by the retina, but in order for a person to be invisible, the body must not absorb light.
Please explain how bigfoot is able to manipulate the laws of physics.

RayG

[Diogenes]

Historian:
Ray, I believe you have a bad source. Physics books don't explain invisibility, because it is explained in the book X3 by Adrian Dvir. It's closest match is superstring theory. Physicists 35 years ago, knew all about the invisible Bigfoot, but failed to put it in publicly available books. So they have and still are playing games. What makes better sense is "in order for a person to be invisible, the body must not reflect any light and actually appear to be clear." Bigfoot can see just fine, either in the dark or while invisible. From my field experience.

How do I know I have pictures of an invisible Bigfoot?
Because this particular subject was doing loud power exhaling and slowly working it's way across the clearcut, pausing only in it's slow walk to change directions and move directly at me. Presumeably to see if he or she could run me off. It lasted for about 5 minutes. I obviously cannot positively identify it, but it was responding to a Bigfoot siren call, sounding like other presumeable Bigfoot from previous experiences and there appeared to be other Bigfoot audio activity in the immediate vicinity. I also had a Bigfoot orb in my face, just prior to the commencement of this audio display. And it was a fresh area. Bigfoot cannot usually be tricked to respond in this manner, at locations where they have been called in previously. They are fast learners.

[phaed]

LOL, what insanity. If Bigfoot is invisible, then he's not a carbon-based lifeform (even diamondoid crystal structures have some reflectivity and can be seen). From whence did he spawn?

[LTC8K6]

Paintball guns and super soakers full of paint, anyone? Even if foot were invisible, it would still be obvious that one was walking across the grass in front of you, or walking through that field of tall grass across the trail, etc.

You can shoot paint all over the general area until you get a hit.

Once he's fluorescent orange, a 12ga slug will finish the job.

[Narveson]

Paintball guns and super soakers full of paint, anyone? Even if foot were invisible, it would still be obvious that one was walking across the grass in front of you, or walking through that field of tall grass across the trail, etc.

Invisible and non-corporeal, of course. Why else have they never been photographed?

[LTC8K6]

Can you make and hear sounds if you are non-corporeal? Break trees? Leave footprints?

Well, if you are magic...

[Normal Dude]

You have got to be kidding me. Of all the inane monster beliefs I have heard, this has to got to top them all. I almost want to call mental illness. Where did this come from?

[Slimething]

I almost want to call mental illness.

Almost? ;)

[tube]

Maybe he's "Predator invisible"; though translucent, he kinda shimmers like a mirage.

"He didn't disappear, HE VAS SKINNED ALIVE!!!"

[Normal Dude]

Almost? ;)

The only thing holding me back is that it may be a very clever, diligent satire. ;)

[OldTigerCub]

I was always sceptical about the existence and visibilty of Big Foot...though I think the one in the Coors Light commercial might be the real thing....;)

[arthwollipot]

How do I know I have pictures of an invisible Bigfoot?
Because this particular subject was doing loud power exhaling and slowly working it's way across the clearcut, pausing only in it's slow walk to change directions and move directly at me.

How do you know what direction it was moving if it was invisible?

[RayG]

Ray, I believe you have a bad source. Physics books don't explain invisibility, because it is explained in the book X3 by Adrian Dvir.

You believe *I* have a bad source? From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Dvir): "Born in Bucharest, Romania in 1958, Adrian Dvir holds a B.Sc (Bachelor of Science) in Engineering and an M.Sc (Master of Science) in Computer Engineering, specializing in computer architecture. Married with two children and living in Israel since 1965, Dvir is employed as a developer of military computer systems. He acknowledged and began to use his abilities as a medium in 1992, and first became aware of alien other-dimensional beings in 1994."

Adrian Dvir died in 2004 but his website (http://adriandvir.tripod.com/index.htm) doesn't exactly paint a picture of rationality.

Can you explain or provide Dvir's observations, experimentation, replication, and concluding hypotheses regarding invisibility?

Physicists 35 years ago, knew all about the invisible Bigfoot, but failed to put it in publicly available books.

Please elaborate. Which physicists? In what scientific journals will I find their conclusions? Please be specific.

What makes better sense is "in order for a person to be invisible, the body must not reflect any light and actually appear to be clear." Bigfoot can see just fine, either in the dark or while invisible. From my field experience.

No, that does not make better sense. Please elaborate using scientific principles.

How do I know I have pictures of an invisible Bigfoot?
Because this particular subject was doing loud power exhaling and slowly working it's way across the clearcut, pausing only in it's slow walk to change directions and move directly at me. Presumeably to see if he or she could run me off. It lasted for about 5 minutes. I obviously cannot positively identify it, but it was responding to a Bigfoot siren call, sounding like other presumeable Bigfoot from previous experiences and there appeared to be other Bigfoot audio activity in the immediate vicinity. I also had a Bigfoot orb in my face, just prior to the commencement of this audio display. And it was a fresh area. Bigfoot cannot usually be tricked to respond in this manner, at locations where they have been called in previously. They are fast learners.

In other words, you have no evidence other than your own anecdotal account. Have you replicated your results while in the presence of unbiased observers? Why or why not?

RayG

[madurobob]

Historian:
... I also had a Bigfoot orb in my face, just prior to the commencement of this audio display.
A what in his face?? Yikes.

[Starthinker]

A what in his face?? Yikes.

I've been compared to a bigfoot orb.

[Locknar]

The OP and the 2 following posts are by far the funniest things I have ever read!

[Spektator]

When I came in to work this morning, my regular parking lot was closed for paving, so I had to park a half-mile away. As I walked to my office, I saw absolutely no sign of Bigfoot at all! Why is this creature stalking me this way?

[Slimething]

Invisibility is no big deal. No blindness involved at all. All I have to do is start asking a gal for a date.

[Diogenes]

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A bigfoot killed a trapper, after the trapper shot at the Bigfoot, in Canada I believe. His partner made it out alive.

A young Quinault Indian shot at and believed that he wounded a Bigfoot, at least 20 years ago. Within only a few days, the Indian became sick. His condition rapidly deteriorated until he went to see a doctor. The doctor could do nothing for him, and expected him to die shortly. So the elders of the tribe took the sick Indian back out to where he had shot the Bigfoot and performed a ceremony asking forgiveness. Apparently this did the trick as the Indian recovered and is alive today to tell the story.

It takes no more than 2 days for a Bigfoot to find where you live, from my own experiences. They may then stay in the vicinity or camp out inside your home in another dimension and phase, depending on whether they like you or not. One of their favorite tricks is to camp outside your bedroom and eavesdrop on your dreams at night. If they don't like what you are dreaming about, then they slap the outside wall of your bedroom and wake you up.

[manofthesea]

:)I like that. Invincible bigfoot. So 21st century! Let's start this off right.
1) Does invincible bigfoot have a saggy bottom? Let's end that now.
2) I was discussing with CN the obvious gigantism relating to NA mammals.
3) Not trying to be offensive, (bloggers took care of that immediately following the disaster) but wasn't the distress phone call taped concerning the three climbers on Mt. Hood last year.
4) I'd like to see annual stats relating to missing outdoors people in various wilderness areas of the west coast, particulary the PNW.

[Yeah_Right]

I've given some thought to this invisible Bigfoot, and, frankly, I just don't see it.

[Diogenes]

Invisibility is no big deal. No blindness involved at all. All I have to do is start asking a gal for a date.I wonder if your name has anything to do with it ? :D

[madurobob]

It takes no more than 2 days for a Bigfoot to find where you live, from my own experiences. They may then stay in the vicinity or camp out inside your home in another dimension and phase, depending on whether they like you or not. One of their favorite tricks is to camp outside your bedroom and eavesdrop on your dreams at night. If they don't like what you are dreaming about, then they slap the outside wall of your bedroom and wake you up.
[Rule x] me! Its not just invisible, but entirely ephemeral and able to phase in and out of dimensions at will (time too?) and is a good private detective to boot? It hides outside my bedroom and slaps the wall when I don't dream right?

I am so totally screwed. Wait.. "depending on whether they like you or not". Do they stay if they like you, or if they don't like you? Its really important I know this asap.

How do they feel about internet pornography? (if your species is invisible, whats counts as pornography?)

[historian]

You boys don't seem to have what some would call, an open mind.
In 1975, the previous 4th dimension of TIME, was reassigned by both a consensus of U.C. Berkeley staff and Stephen Hawking, TO EXPLAIN BIGFOOT INVISIBILITY. The Bigfoot as well as dozens of other smaller people, hide in the higher dimensions so they don't get shot by morons with guns. The reason why the government has not told you about it is evidenced by the above posts. YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

Dimension changes occur by modifying the frequency of vibration of free quanta loops, as described in the book, X3. This is information relayed by also invisible aliens, to DVIR. Crop circles are made by aliens, in order to quietly prove that they are here. Bigfoot also quietly proves that he is here and real.

The government did one very famous experiment that delt with invisibility. Residents of Philadelphia and retired U.S. Navy personnel have both verified to me that it happened. It is called the Philadelphia Experiment. Look it up on the internet. They caused a battleship to disappear.

Hollywood is constantly stealing ideas from the Bigfoot, and not giving them credit for it. "Predator" is just one example, except Bigfoot is not a predator. They are benevolent interdimensional people.

Don't forget to take a walk in a dark and remote woods this weekend. If we don't hear from you again, we will assume that you ran into something other than Bigfoot.

[tube]

Hollywood is constantly stealing ideas from the Bigfoot, and not giving them credit for it. "Predator" is just one example, except Bigfoot is not a predator. They are benevolent interdimensional people.


If it bleeds we can kill it.

[Slimething]

Dimension changes occur by modifying the frequency of vibration of free quanta loops, as described in the book, X3.

Like this? http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/129244704621a882ce.jpg

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

The Philadelphia Experiment! :D

Have a look at something like Wikipedia for the story behind this - it's a HOAX!

Oh - and it wasn't a battleship (huge, great thing) - it was a destroyer escort (much, much smaller). If you're going to quote stuff, please make sure you get the facts straight.

YBW

[arthwollipot]

I'm stunned.

I think the previous poster said it best. YouBelieveWHAT?

[Normal Dude]

I call prank. This can't be real.

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

I was stunned too, when I read it.

Thanks for the comments, though :)

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Oh, and thank you Slimething - LOL!!!

I did wonder if they're honey-nut quanta loops.

But if they're free, I'll have as many as you can send :)

YBW

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

You boys don't seem to have what some would call, an open mind.
In 1975, the previous 4th dimension of TIME, was reassigned by both a consensus of U.C. Berkeley staff and Stephen Hawking, TO EXPLAIN BIGFOOT INVISIBILITY. The Bigfoot as well as dozens of other smaller people, hide in the higher dimensions so they don't get shot by morons with guns. The reason why the government has not told you about it is evidenced by the above posts. YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

Dimension changes occur by modifying the frequency of vibration of free quanta loops, as described in the book, X3. This is information relayed by also invisible aliens, to DVIR. Crop circles are made by aliens, in order to quietly prove that they are here. Bigfoot also quietly proves that he is here and real.

The government did one very famous experiment that delt with invisibility. Residents of Philadelphia and retired U.S. Navy personnel have both verified to me that it happened. It is called the Philadelphia Experiment. Look it up on the internet. They caused a battleship to disappear.

Hollywood is constantly stealing ideas from the Bigfoot, and not giving them credit for it. "Predator" is just one example, except Bigfoot is not a predator. They are benevolent interdimensional people.

Don't forget to take a walk in a dark and remote woods this weekend. If we don't hear from you again, we will assume that you ran into something other than Bigfoot.

BTW - Evidence?

YBW

[Correa Neto]

Star Trek technobabble sounds better...

[Drewbot]

If they are invisible in our dimension, then are we invisible in their dimension?

I guess if they are invisible, you can throw out all of the 'Sightings'

If they are invisible, why do they need to be 'fast and elusive'?

Wouldnt the energy requirements of a cloaking device cause BF to need too much energy, which is not available in North America's northern forests.

If A top predator like BF is invisible, then why do deer have such good sensory mechanisms? Wouldn't the invisibilty keep the prey from even knowing that there is danger around? and thus the percieved neccessity of heightened senses reduced, resulting in deer that just stand around waiting to get clobbered by invisible threats?

[Snow]

In 1975, the previous 4th dimension of TIME, was reassigned by both a consensus of U.C. Berkeley staff and Stephen Hawking, TO EXPLAIN BIGFOOT INVISIBILITY. The Bigfoot as well as dozens of other smaller people, hide in the higher dimensions so they don't get shot by morons with guns.

In pop news, Time - former drummer with The Dimensions - has left the band to join up and coming groove-meisters Invisible Bigfoot. A spokesman for Time, Mr. Stephen Hawking, said this was due to musical differences only; there had been no personality clashes as mistakenly reported in the tabloids.

Latest from Discworld - the Wee Free Men (aka Pictsies) have announced they are leaving to hide in the higher dimensions. A small blue spokesman claimed this was to ensure they don't get shot by morons with guns. He was later heard to exclaim "Bigjobs!", though his precise meaning here is unclear.

And now, sport ...

[madurobob]

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.
Dood, I can handle truth way weirder than that. I am capable of believing that you believe this stuff!

Dimension changes occur by modifying the frequency of vibration of free quanta loops, as described in the book, X3.
X3? Is BMW somehow involved?

Bigfoot also quietly proves that he is here and real.
I don't get it. He goes to all this effort to hide in the higher dimensions, but then seeks to quietly prove that he is here? WTF?

Hollywood is constantly stealing ideas from the Bigfoot, and not giving them credit for it. "Predator" is just one example, except Bigfoot is not a predator.
Have you considered the very real possibility that Bigfoot is actually working for Hollywood? Bigfoot is not a predator? Whats he eat?

Don't forget to take a walk in a dark and remote woods this weekend.
I, in fact, do this on a daily basis. Or does it have to be on a weekend when Bigfoot is off work? Does he get vacations?

Drewbot brought up an interesting point - can Bigfoot "see" across dimensions? How is this possible? How can he reside in a higher dimension, yet see me in this dimension and slap on my wall at night, and yet, I cannot see him?

Snow: can I use the name "Invisible Bigfoot" for my rock band without paying you royalties? That is the perfect name.

[Snow]

Snow: can I use the name "Invisible Bigfoot" for my rock band without paying you royalties? That is the perfect name.

Go for it - just buy me a pint when you're rich and famous.

[madurobob]

Thanks!

So, I've heard about serial killers (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=95075&highlight=serial+killers), but what are the musical tastes of bigfoots?

[Snow]

So, I've heard about serial killers (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=95075&highlight=serial+killers), but what are the musical tastes of bigfoots?

Little Tich and his amazing Big Boot dance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Tich)

[LTC8K6]

Dimension changes occur by modifying the frequency of vibration of free quanta loops, as described in the book, X3.

What about Froot Loops?

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

I call prank. This can't be real.

If this is a prank, historian's been at it for awhile. He used to post as "silveragle" over at Cryptomundo, where he'd talk about Stephen Hawkings being a part of a Bigfoot conspiracy and how to meet invisible "Bigfoot buddies."

[AgeGap]

I am disappointed that nobody has said what is the most obvious explanation for invisable bigfoot. Bigfoot is a ninja. The piratey antics of you all stop you seeing the truth.

[Slimething]

If this is a prank, historian's been at it for awhile. He used to post as "silveragle" over at Cryptomundo, where he'd talk about Stephen Hawkings being a part of a Bigfoot conspiracy and how to meet invisible "Bigfoot buddies."

Skeptical Inquirer had a story a few years back about a Bigfoot Convention where one of the speakers argued that bigfeet (?) could travel dimensions at will and could make themselves invisible. I wonder if this is that clown person. I'll look through my old copies to see if he was named in the story.

[historian]

I can't really expect any intelligent comments here. Reason being is that you guys appear to have absolutely no field experience in listening for invisible people in the forest. I do. Hundreds of experiences. Nor will you guys wait for the weekend to gain that experience, so that you can comment intelligently. So I have very low expectations here, so that I won't be disappointed. I will say that Wikipedia is a joke. The Bigfoot stay invisible, because the United States in particular, is filled with morons who own guns and go out into the woods on weekends to look for something to shoot.

[madurobob]

I am disappointed that nobody has said what is the most obvious explanation for invisable bigfoot. Bigfoot is a ninja. The piratey antics of you all stop you seeing the truth.

Dammit! I just changed the band name and now I have to change it again

"Invisible Bigfoot Ninja"

We gonna rock you in a whole new dimension.

[Normal Dude]

I can't really expect any intelligent comments here. Reason being is that you guys appear to have absolutely no field experience in listening for invisible people in the forest. I do.


We REALLY need a Paranormal Forum version of the Stundies. This would take the cake.

[arthwollipot]

I can't really expect any intelligent comments here. Reason being is that you guys appear to have absolutely no field experience in listening for invisible people in the forest.

I will happily and readily agree with this. I do not have any experience at all in listening for invisible people in the forest. The pixies under my house take up all of my attention.

[historian]

Listening in the dark, can get extremely exciting. If you go to a remote enough location, you may momentarily, be certain that you are about to die.

[Slimething]

Listening in the dark, can get extremely exciting. If you go to a remote enough location, you may momentarily, be certain that you are about to die.

Well, why didn't you say so before? I'm sold. Where do I sign up? :wink8:

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

I can't really expect any intelligent comments here. Reason being is that you guys appear to have absolutely no field experience in listening for invisible people in the forest. I do. Hundreds of experiences. Nor will you guys wait for the weekend to gain that experience, so that you can comment intelligently. So I have very low expectations here, so that I won't be disappointed. I will say that Wikipedia is a joke. The Bigfoot stay invisible, because the United States in particular, is filled with morons who own guns and go out into the woods on weekends to look for something to shoot.

Sadly, I agree about the comments.

However - keep trying, and maybe eventually you'll be able to write some intelligent comments.

[LTC8K6]

The Bigfoot stay invisible, because the United States in particular, is filled with morons who own guns and go out into the woods on weekends to look for something to shoot.

What about the US national and state park bigfoots? Why are they invisible? Almost no one is running around with guns looking for something to shoot in the 2.2 million acres of Yellowstone National Park, for example. Glacier National Park, 1.4 million acres, no hunting allowed there, either. Etc.

There are vast areas of wilderness in the US where it's illegal to hunt anything.

What about Canadian bigfoots? Why are they invisible?

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Perhaps they're just shy?

[arthwollipot]

And let me just say that you have no experience at all with the invisible Australian Yowie. The invisible Bigfoot may be kind and peaceful, but the invisible Yowie will take your head off. Why do you think so few people live in the Australian Outback? The Australian Aboriginals are the only people who can see them, and they're not inclined to help us whitefellas given that we totally screwed them over.

The invisible Bigfoot may bang on your wall to wake you up if it doesn't like what you're dreaming about, but the invisible Yowie will just knock your house down.

The Government knows about them, of course, but they cover it up because they've got this secret plan to turn Uluru into a gigantic interdimensional portal so that they can send tanks to the Yowies' dimension and exterminate this menace once and for all. But they'll never succeed because the Yowies are too smart for that.

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Thank you, Arthwollipot, for giving us the facts.

I, of course, believe what you're telling us - and what a frightening prospect it is!

I shudder to think what size the invisible Yowie tanks are - even the Abrams will have no chance against them.

I think all you Aussies should be fighting against your evil gubmint and their plans to attack the invisible Yowies.

If they stir them up, then it could be (will be?) the end of humanity!!!!!!

[arthwollipot]

That's what worries me too, which is why I founded the Yowie Truth Movement - so that people know the danger! Our website address is http://www.discoverthehorribletruthabouttheyowiesandwhatt hegovernmentistryingtodoaboutthemandwhyitwilldisas trouslyfailwithhorrifficconsequences.com.au.

(Damn! The Yowies truncated my website address!)

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Well you can add my name to the list - when you un-truncate your website, of course. :)

(That is - only if membership's free, BTW.)

However, I think that this whole conspiracy thing is being under-reported.

These invisible creatures - Yowies, Bigfoots (Proudfeet?), Yetis, Loch Ness Monsters and so on - are clearly better organised than we give them credit for.

It goes without saying - obviously - that they can communicate telepathically, and are master of telekinesis.

So - I beg you all to be careful - when you're out roaming in forests looking for invisible traces - and let's face it, there's going to be an awful lot of those - whatever you do, don't annoy these creatures.

The consequences to civilisation are too horrible to comprehend.

Please - pretty please?

[arthwollipot]

Listen to YBW. Pass the message. You're being lied to - how does that make you feel? You and everyone else has the right to know the TRUTH about invisible cryptozoans! The danger is real, and it is immediate. Write or email your local minister, congressman or benevolent dictator. Spread the word!

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Thanks again,

I've just had an even more horrible thought.....

These crypto-creatures - even thought their abilities are far beyond anything we can conceive - are clearly being manipulated themselves!!!!!!

(Note to self - gotta remember loads of !!!!!!!!)

So - just stop and think for a moment....

David Icke is right - all hail David!!!!!!!

The shape-shifting Lizards are controlling the invisible creatures!!!!!

OMG - it's far worse that I thought!!!!!!!!!

Whatever are we going to do!!!!!!!!

(I think I need a lie down, as my brain is leaking out of my ears now!!!!!!!)

I have the answer!!!!!! - write a book - a series of books, that is - organise lucrative lecture tours, sell a variety of invisble creature detectors, and a wide range of protective stuff to protect us!!!!!

[arthwollipot]

!!!!

[madurobob]

The Bigfoot stay invisible, because the United States in particular, is filled with morons who own guns and go out into the woods on weekends to look for something to shoot.

Actually, those morons who go out into the woods? Yeah, they're sitting very quietly in the forest listening to every sound. They remove all UV brighteners from their camo clothes and they bathe in soap that is free from all perfumes and removes their natural human scent. They do all they can to be "invisible" to the eyes, ears and noses of everything else in the forest and they sit perfectly still and listen for hours at a time.


I can't really expect any intelligent comments here. Reason being is that you guys appear to have absolutely no field experience in listening for invisible people in the forest. I do.

I actually have quite a bit... see above.

Please be very careful wandering around on private property searching for invisible bigfoot ninjas during hunting season. I would not be surprised if some of your "encounters" were simply disgusted hunters making their way to another location since you spoiled the one they were in.

[William Parcher]

I have the answer!!!!!! - write a book - a series of books, that is - organise lucrative lecture tours, sell a variety of invisble creature detectors, and a wide range of protective stuff to protect us!!!!!

For great justice!

[kitakaze]

You believe *I* have a bad source? From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Dvir): "Born in Bucharest, Romania in 1958, Adrian Dvir holds a B.Sc (Bachelor of Science) in Engineering and an M.Sc (Master of Science) in Computer Engineering, specializing in computer architecture. Married with two children and living in Israel since 1965, Dvir is employed as a developer of military computer systems. He acknowledged and began to use his abilities as a medium in 1992, and first became aware of alien other-dimensional beings in 1994."

Adrian Dvir died in 2004 but his website (http://adriandvir.tripod.com/index.htm) doesn't exactly paint a picture of rationality.

Can you explain or provide Dvir's observations, experimentation, replication, and concluding hypotheses regarding invisibility?



Please elaborate. Which physicists? In what scientific journals will I find their conclusions? Please be specific.



No, that does not make better sense. Please elaborate using scientific principles.



In other words, you have no evidence other than your own anecdotal account. Have you replicated your results while in the presence of unbiased observers? Why or why not?

RayG

I can't really expect any intelligent comments here. Reason being is that you guys appear to have absolutely no field experience in listening for invisible people in the forest. I do. Hundreds of experiences. Nor will you guys wait for the weekend to gain that experience, so that you can comment intelligently. So I have very low expectations here, so that I won't be disappointed. I will say that Wikipedia is a joke. The Bigfoot stay invisible, because the United States in particular, is filled with morons who own guns and go out into the woods on weekends to look for something to shoot.Hey Burgstahler, is there something about Ray's very straightforward questions you find difficult? Answering them might help open some closed minds. It's not very encouraging when someone comes making very bold claims and then turtles from the simplest questions.

[Correa Neto]

OK, sheeple, I'll tell ya'll teh truth. After a lot of CRYPTOZOOLOGICAL, UFOLOGICAL and PARANORMAL research coupled with extensive use of clarivoyance techniches, I discovered the astonishing reality of - the "world" as we perceive is NOTHING BUT A LIE!11! A lie that is kept by those who controll the REALITY as PERCEIVED by the people. REALITY COMES IN LAYERS, layers that are ASSIGNED for most us by the GOVERNMENT (and I am talking about TEH REAL SECRET WORLD GOVERNMENT, not the puppets we see on TV posing as our rulers) and the ALIENS that controll -or try to controll this world.

DAVID ICKLE IS A DISINFORMATION AGENT!1111!!! His mission is to SPREAD LIES ABOUT THE REPITLIAN ALIENS. BIGFEET PEOPLE ARE TEH REAL ENEMIES1!1! These transdimensional creatures have been controlling and shaping our fate through the centuries. Their only goal is to create as many humans as possible to serve as FOOD SOURCE! They are ASTRAL VAMPIRES THAT FEED ON OUR AURA! They shaped an archetypicall image in to our collective consiousness as gentle and good beings of an elevated spiritual order and in constant communion with NATURE. With this disguise, they can approach us, for our unconsiouss astral defenses are low, we were programmed to detect no menace. And they frequently do so, even deep within our cities, where they are perceived as brown people and orbs; quite often they walk among us, morphed as humans, usually a bit taller and hairies than teh standard human!!111 A number of humans are regurlary abducted by bigfeet from cities and everywhere else, taken to HIDDEN SUBTERRANEAN BASES AND CITIES where some are PROGRAMMED to act as DRONES while others are plugged to LARGE QUANTUM SINGULARITY RESSONANCE MACHINES THAT COMPLETELY EXTRACT THEIR AURA OR PRANA TO FEED BIGFEET. The memories of the abducted quite often are PSIONICALLY ALTERED BY QUANTUM MIND TUNNELING as FALSE MEMORIES of abduction by reptiloids or greys.

The REPTILIAN ALIENS are trying to help us, against an ALLIANCE BETWEEN THE REAL SECRET WORLD GOVERNMENT AND THE BIGFOOT ALIENS. They fight bigfeet, but the fight must be hidden from most of humanity, so our evolution is not affected by this revelation. BIGFEET ALIENS HAVE ALREADY SCREWED UP OUR EVOLUTION BY DESTROYING THE INDEPENDENT HUMANS OF ATLANTIS WHO COULD OPPOSE THEM!!!!!!1111 TEH REPITILANS ARE ONLY TRYING TO FIX THINGS WITHOUT FURTHER CATASTROPHIC SCREW-UPS IN OUR CIVILIZATION!!11!!

Bigfoot aliens, being transdimensional, shaped in our minds an ARCHETYPE OF EVIL DEMONIAC REPTILES, such as the BIBLE'S SERPENT! This was made to undermine the BIGFEET ALIENS MADE THESE CIVILIZATIONS FALL. Atlantins was destroyed by their weapons while the Mayas were destroyed by the SPANISH EMPIRE THAT WAS SECRETLY CONTROLLED BY A MONARCHY AND THE CHURCH THAT WERE PUPPETS OF BIGFEET! THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!!!11!! THAT'S WHAT THE WAR AGAINST TERROR AND THE WAR AGAINST DRUGS ARE ALL ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

OPEN YOUR EYES AND BEWARE AGAINST THE AGENTS OF THESE TRANSDIMENSIONAL ENEMIES OF MANKIND!

Eh, more peyote, please...

[historian]

I do not disagree with arthwollipot, when he states that Yowies can be invisible and are fairly vicious. On the other hand, the Bigfoot in North America have decided to get along with mankind.

Ray G states:
You believe *I* have a bad source? From Wikipedia: "Born in Bucharest, Romania in 1958, Adrian Dvir holds a B.Sc (Bachelor of Science) in Engineering and an M.Sc (Master of Science) in Computer Engineering, specializing in computer architecture. Married with two children and living in Israel since 1965, Dvir is employed as a developer of military computer systems. He acknowledged and began to use his abilities as a medium in 1992, and first became aware of alien other-dimensional beings in 1994."

Adrian Dvir died in 2004 but his website doesn't exactly paint a picture of rationality.

Can you explain or provide Dvir's observations, experimentation, replication, and concluding hypotheses regarding invisibility?

historian responds: Dvir merely acted as a telepathic note taker, and transferred those notes into a book.

Ray G states:
Please elaborate. Which physicists? In what scientific journals will I find their conclusions? Please be specific.

Historian responds: My high school chemistry and physics teacher both spoke of Bigfoot invisibility in the 70's. My college physics professor spoke of Bigfoot invisibility. Many of my college professors at U.C. Berkeley, spoke of Bigfoot invisibility. I was at U.C. Berkeley when Stephen Hawking was there and speaking animately about the paranormal Bigfoot. Yet he did not put that in any of his books, but has reiterated it in public that Bigfoot are paranormal. The U.S. Army lectured to ROTC cadets in 1970, on all paranormal phases of the Bigfoot, including their invisibility. The FBI did a national confiscation of Bigfoot books in school and public libraries about 1968. Bigfoot is not mentioned in mainstream physics books, because the morons of this country, do not want to hear about it, because they cannot deal with it. Of course if they would learn about them, they would likely be OK with them. But their own ignorance keeps them from opening their minds to learn, so they remain ignorant. Self-sustaining stupidity.

Ray G. states:
No, that does not make better sense. Please elaborate using scientific principles.

Historian states: Buy Dvir's book yourself and read about it.

Ray G. states: In other words, you have no evidence other than your own anecdotal account. Have you replicated your results while in the presence of unbiased observers? Why or why not?

Historian replies: I have called in likely Bigfoot for over 20 people. The Bigfoot were willing to make enough noise and the right types of noise, to convince them that Bigfoot are real even though they remained invisible. The Bigfoot are quite willing to get along with us. Especially if we do not shoot guns at them. They will likely never decide to live side by side with us, in the flesh and blood phase. Mankind is to vicious.

Which brings me to my Bigfoot joke:

If you were walking down a dark trail at night in the woods and came around a blind corner, would you rather run into; a grizzly bear with cubs, a hungry attorney with a frivolous lawsuit, or a bigfoot?

Answer is "a Bigfoot, because you can reason with a Bigfoot".

[Babylon Sister]

Berekely in the 70s. Case closed.

[Fredrik]

There's no way this guy is serious. He's obviously just trolling. His language gives it away. People who believe things this weird can't write sentences that make sense. When they try to explain something it's impossible to understand what they're saying. I understand what he's saying, so I think it's safe to conclude that he's just messing with us.

[Normal Dude]

There's no way this guy is serious. He's obviously just trolling. His language gives it away. People who believe things this weird can't write sentences that make sense. When they try to explain something it's impossible to understand what they're saying. I understand what he's saying, so I think it's safe to conclude that he's just messing with us.

I agree. Exhibit A:
I do not disagree with arthwollipot, when he states that Yowies can be invisible and are fairly vicious.

[grayman]

If you were walking down a dark trail at night in the woods and came around a blind corner, would you rather run into; a grizzly bear with cubs, a hungry attorney with a frivolous lawsuit, or a bigfoot?

Answer is "a Bigfoot, because you can reason with a Bigfoot".

Wrong. Answer is: Bigfoot, because the others are real. :)



Historian, here's some advice for quoting multiple posts: click on the " symbol 0f the posters that you'd like to quote and click on Quote of the final poster in the series of quotes. This will make it easier to read their comments and your rebuttals.

If you wish to quote a single post, just click on the Quote in that particular quote.

Several issues back, Skeptic (http://www.skeptic.com/) did an excellent two-part series on the origin of the Sasquatch myth. If you can find a copy, it would be well worth a read.

[William Parcher]

There's no way this guy is serious. He's obviously just trolling. His language gives it away. People who believe things this weird can't write sentences that make sense.

Which of his sentences make sense? Do you mean grammatically or rationally?

When they try to explain something it's impossible to understand what they're saying. I understand what he's saying, so I think it's safe to conclude that he's just messing with us.

You should try to research who Neal Burgstahler is*, and try to find out if he seems to be an anonymous troll who is just messing with JREF.

* = Why do some BF skeptic JREF'ers seem to already know his name?

Several issues back, Skeptic did an excellent two-part series on the origin of the Sasquatch myth. If you can find a copy, it would be well worth a read.

It won't be worth a read for Neal, other than to reaffirm his personal conviction of the blindness of BF skeptics.

[kitakaze]

Which of his sentences make sense? Do you mean grammatically or rationally?I can appreciate one being skeptical that anyone would actually believe the things Burgstahler does. One thing he certainly is not is coherent in his writing. Here is a February 2007 blog from Loren Coleman's cryptomundo website in which Coleman enjoys trying to come off as legitimate while calling Burgstahler on his hilarious Berkley, Hawking, etc lies:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/invisible-bf/

It's massive but even if you just read opening quotes of The Burg, 'coherent' is not the first word that comes to mind.

You should try to research who Neal Burgstahler is*, and try to find out if he seems to be an anonymous troll who is just messing with JREF.

* = Why do some BF skeptic JREF'ers seem to already know his name?No, Neal V. Burgstahler is not just trolling. He actually believes the stuff he's talking about. Just a quick google of his name will tell you that. He's Eric Beckjord Lite. Can you imagine the two of those guys getting together for an orb session out in the woods? *shudders*

Hey Neal, who's a better invisible BF locator, you or Beckjord?

(I ask that with no small hope that Beckjord will show up on a sock puppet and there'll be a Beckjord/Burgstahler Godzilla/Mothra smackdown thing. That also might need subtitles.)

He's known from showing up at bigfoot coferences, invisble BF photos in hand and doing the routine. He's already shown up here before with a different handle with the same flail. At the moment I'm considering it an oddly tolerable relief from people who get really upset when we don't accept their ideas about a sustainable continent-wide population of relict Gigantopithecus that are too smart/elusive/rare/lucky to have been identified by science.

[RayG]

RayG: Can you explain or provide Dvir's observations, experimentation, replication, and concluding hypotheses regarding invisibility?

historian: Dvir merely acted as a telepathic note taker, and transferred those notes into a book.

Kinda like this?

http://wordinfo.info/words/images/gods-Moses-commandments.gif

RayG: Please elaborate. Which physicists? In what scientific journals will I find their conclusions? Please be specific.

Historian: My high school chemistry and physics teacher both spoke of Bigfoot invisibility in the 70's. My college physics professor spoke of Bigfoot invisibility. Many of my college professors at U.C. Berkeley, spoke of Bigfoot invisibility. I was at U.C. Berkeley when Stephen Hawking was there and speaking animately about the paranormal Bigfoot. Yet he did not put that in any of his books, but has reiterated it in public that Bigfoot are paranormal. The U.S. Army lectured to ROTC cadets in 1970, on all paranormal phases of the Bigfoot, including their invisibility. The FBI did a national confiscation of Bigfoot books in school and public libraries about 1968. Bigfoot is not mentioned in mainstream physics books, because the morons of this country, do not want to hear about it, because they cannot deal with it. Of course if they would learn about them, they would likely be OK with them. But their own ignorance keeps them from opening their minds to learn, so they remain ignorant. Self-sustaining stupidity.Your answer seems anecdotal at best. What evidence do you have to support any of your speculations?

RayG: No, that does not make better sense. Please elaborate using scientific principles.

Historian: Buy Dvir's book yourself and read about it.If you can't explain it I have doubts you have understood it.

RayG: In other words, you have no evidence other than your own anecdotal account. Have you replicated your results while in the presence of unbiased observers? Why or why not?

Historian: I have called in likely Bigfoot for over 20 people. The Bigfoot were willing to make enough noise and the right types of noise, to convince them that Bigfoot are real even though they remained invisible. The Bigfoot are quite willing to get along with us. Especially if we do not shoot guns at them. They will likely never decide to live side by side with us, in the flesh and blood phase. Mankind is to vicious.What evidence do you have that your anecdotes are based on fact? What 20 people? How do you know they were unbiased? If the bigfoot were invisible, how do you know it was bigfoot making the noise? Can you see these invisible bigfoot?

RayG

[Oroborus]

Hmm, invisible bigfoot or reaaaaally tiny squirrell?

[DrewD]

You boys don't seem to have what some would call, an open mind.
In 1975, the previous 4th dimension of TIME, was reassigned by both a consensus of U.C. Berkeley staff and Stephen Hawking, TO EXPLAIN BIGFOOT INVISIBILITY. The Bigfoot as well as dozens of other smaller people, hide in the higher dimensions so they don't get shot by morons with guns. The reason why the government has not told you about it is evidenced by the above posts. YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

Wait, wait..... Jack Nicholson, A Few Good Men, 1992!!! Yessssss I knew that one.

Dimension changes occur by modifying the frequency of vibration of free quanta loops, as described in the book, X3. This is information relayed by also invisible aliens, to DVIR. Crop circles are made by aliens, in order to quietly prove that they are here. Bigfoot also quietly proves that he is here and real.

He quietly proves his existence by slapping your bedroom wall while roasting marshmellows over a campfire in your hallway.

The government did one very famous experiment that delt with invisibility. Residents of Philadelphia and retired U.S. Navy personnel have both verified to me that it happened. It is called the Philadelphia Experiment. Look it up on the internet. They caused a battleship to disappear.

Names and rank of said Navy personnel???

Hollywood is constantly stealing ideas from the Bigfoot, and not giving them credit for it. "Predator" is just one example, except Bigfoot is not a predator. They are benevolent interdimensional people.

How dare you!!! They do give credit where credit is due. Harry and the Hendersons!!!! I await your apology.

Don't forget to take a walk in a dark and remote woods this weekend. If we don't hear from you again, we will assume that you ran into something other than Bigfoot.

As long as I don't have a hairy bigfoot orb in my face, I will be OK.

-Drew

[historian]

Bigfoot have proved to me and others that they are real by:
Stomping their feet about 10 times, on my request.
Performing complicated tasks, that require memory and counting. When those tasks were performed, the sound of bipedal footsteps running through a dark woods at night, was undeniable
Communicated by answering simple questions using branch snaps to indicate a "yes" answer
Hung around camp, on request
Showed up at a Bigfoot Party, on request
Showed up at the International Bigfoot Society campout, on request
Given me wakeup branch breaks, on request
Pushing a tree over, on request
Visited me at my home, on request

You boys, in the interest of ridiculing something that you don't understand, are forgetting about "higher dimensions", that many scientists are quite comfortable with. So exactly how do you think higher dimensions are going to show themselves better, if not by invisible people standing, walking or running within earshot, so that we can verify that they are invisible? Bigfoot are just the tallest of the interdimensional people. There are a 1000 times more, smaller interdimensional people. You boys are in serious trouble, if you can't come to grips with the least populous of the interdimensional people, who exist by the millions in the U.S. alone. So please get a grip. I can't hold anyone's hand here, in order to keep you from losing your apparent thin grip on reality. Seek immediate counseling, if this topic upsets you. Perhaps you can mention this thread and get a discount. Oh yes, Berkeley got it's reputation in the 60's with the free speech movement. Not the 70's. Berkeley only redefined the 4th dimension, in the 70's.

[madurobob]

Bigfoot have proved to me and others that they are real by:
Stomping their feet about 10 times, on my request.
Performing complicated tasks, that require memory and counting. When those tasks were performed, the sound of bipedal footsteps running through a dark woods at night, was undeniable
Communicated by answering simple questions using branch snaps to indicate a "yes" answer
Hung around camp, on request
Showed up at a Bigfoot Party, on request
Showed up at the International Bigfoot Society campout, on request
Given me wakeup branch breaks, on request
Pushing a tree over, on request
Visited me at my home, on request


Would you, sir, have any use for a million dollars? Its yours for the taking as near as I can tell.

Please do try to come up with some original excuses as to why the money does not interest you.

So exactly how do you think higher dimensions are going to show themselves better, if not by invisible people standing, walking or running within earshot, so that we can verify that they are invisible?

Damn, I'm supposed to come up with something more bizarre than that? Or by "better" did you not mean "more entertaining"? Where is Marquis de Carabas when we really need him?

[William Parcher]

Bigfoot have proved to me and others that they are real by: Stomping their feet about 10 times, on my request.

This is an important lesson for skeptics. If you ask a Bigfoot to stomp their feet ten times, and they only stomp them nine times - you know that they are not a real Bigfoot.

[DrewD]

Bigfoot have proved to me and others that they are real by:
Stomping their feet about 10 times, on my request.

Did Bigfoot put his left foot in, take his left foot out and shake it all about????


If not, then I question the validity of the research.

-Drew

[Slimething]

[quote]
Bigfoot have proved to me and others that they are real by:
Stomping their feet about 10 times, on my request.


Slimey one-act play #2
hist: "OK, now stomp your feet about ten times for me!"
Nature: "Thud"
hist: "One's about ten, isn't it? Ah, a bigfoot!"

Performing complicated tasks, that require memory and counting. When those tasks were performed, the sound of bipedal footsteps running through a dark woods at night, was undeniable

Slimey one-act play #3
hist: "OK, you, the tall one. You line up left; buttonhook inside at ten. And you..you..ah..post pattern from the right; break at fifteen and you're hot." ...."Hike!!!"
Sound of hist playing with himself.
hist: Angrily "OK, look you guys. We're not gonna play if you can't run the patterns AS THEY"RE CALLED!!! Now. let's do it again! Skins almost sacked me last time."

Communicated by answering simple questions using branch snaps to indicate a "yes" answer

Slimey one-act play #4
hist: walking through the woods "So, bigfoot, do you like taking walks?"
Nature: twig breaks
hist: continues walking "Do you like me? I really like you. Serious."


Hung around camp, on request
Showed up at a Bigfoot Party, on request


Slimey one-act play #5
hist: coyly "Care for another drink, bigfoot? No?"
Nature: thinks "WTF?"
hist: "OK, we can dance. Slower, bigfoot, slower..hmmmm"


Showed up at the International Bigfoot Society campout, on request


Slimey one-act play #6
hist: irritated "Look, bigfoot, last night was nice but I can't cope with a million of your buddies! You're like all the rest!"


Given me wakeup branch breaks, on request
Pushing a tree over, on request


Slimey one-act play #7
hist: groggy and grimacing in pain "Not very nice, bigfoots! Yeah, I slept on a branch to get away from your effin' Society campout and you pull me down."
Nature: thinking "heh"

Visited me at my home, on request
hist: softly "Oh, inflatable bigfoot, oh....
Nature: thinking "I'm being violated here."

[DrewD]

Great post slime, More of this and I won't lose interest in this post.

-Drew:D:D:D

[Normal Dude]

Historian,

Can you request them to do things at will? You could win a million dollars from the JREF Million Dollar Challenge. Check out the website and read over the conditions. If you really believe what you are saying and have seen, you would be doing the rest of humanity a great service by proving this in testable conditions... plus you get a million bucks to boot!

[tube]

You should try to research who Neal Burgstahler is*, and try to find out if he seems to be an anonymous troll who is just messing with JREF.

* = Why do some BF skeptic JREF'ers seem to already know his name?



Like other Sasquatch skeptics at JREF, I first thought Historian was Beckjord. But then the "invisibility" theme came out, and I realized who it was.

I met Neal at a Portland Bigfoot meeting some time back, or rather Neal met me, as he was adamant on showing me a photograph of his. He must have been proud of his photo, as it was blown up to about 24" by 18" or so, and mounted on foam-board. If I remember correctly, it depicted the woods at night, and included various red luminosities.

With his obvious enthusiasm to show his photo to strangers, I find it strange that he's unwilling to show others on the Internet.

[Correa Neto]

This is an important lesson for skeptics. If you ask a Bigfoot to stomp their feet ten times, and they only stomp them nine times - you know that they are not a real Bigfoot.
OK, but how could you tell a poltergeist pretending to be a bigfoot from a real bigfoot?

[historian]

Like other Sasquatch skeptics at JREF, I first thought Historian was Beckjord. But then the "invisibility" theme came out, and I realized who it was.

I met Neal at a Portland Bigfoot meeting some time back, or rather Neal met me, as he was adamant on showing me a photograph of his. He must have been proud of his photo, as it was blown up to about 24" by 18" or so, and mounted on foam-board. If I remember correctly, it depicted the woods at night, and included various red luminosities.

With his obvious enthusiasm to show his photo to strangers, I find it strange that he's unwilling to show others on the Internet.

The answer is fairly obvious. When I show the picture in person to IBS speakers, I maintain control of the photograph, which appears to represent eyeshine from two wood gnomes in a dimension once removed from ours. If I were be so stupid as to post it on the internet, then it would instantly become worthless, as everyone would be downloading it for their own use.

[tube]

If I were be so stupid as to post it on the internet, then it would instantly become worthless, as everyone would be downloading it for their own use.

And what would everyone use it for?

[historian]

Historian,

Can you request them to do things at will? You could win a million dollars from the JREF Million Dollar Challenge. Check out the website and read over the conditions. If you really believe what you are saying and have seen, you would be doing the rest of humanity a great service by proving this in testable conditions... plus you get a million bucks to boot!

It appears that they do not pay money out for paranormal events, but rather to people who can prove that they have paranormal abilities. Bigfoot doesn't have pockets, so he would have no easy way of transporting all that cash. Bigfoot also does not shop, or play the stock market, so he would have no use for that money. Since Bigfoot has not been given constitutional rights, so he can't buy the land that he would already have qualified for squatters rights. So the reward remains unclaimed. On the other hand, if they were to expand it to someone who can reasonably prove the presence of invisible but noisy bipedal people, then I might find the time.

[historian]

And what would everyone use it for?

The mere possession by others makes the photograph worthless, since the original copyright could no longer be sold. They would more than likely take a real close look as the world's closest paranormal eyeshine photo, in order to determine exactly what they are looking at, such as a circulatory system. The apparent fact that the eyeshine is visible while the bodies remain invisible in another dimension, would either send them into total denial, or facinate them to no end.

[Correa Neto]

So, historian wants money from the copyrights of his gnome pics but not JREF's 1M bucks for proving a paranormal phenomena...

An he claims this set of phenomena can be reproduced! This would qualify for the challenge...

But the money would have to go to the bigfeet or the gnomes that create the phenomena, and since extradimensional beings have no use for it, he will not apply!

Amazing logic! :vulcan:

[Normal Dude]

I have a question. How come certain aspects of them appear in this dimension, but others do not? For example, the Bigfoots can make sound in our dimension, and the gnomes eyes can reflect light? This would mean they are physically interacting with our dimension, but selectively.

Also, I'd like to hear more about the wood gnomes.

[historian]

I have a question. How come certain aspects of them appear in this dimension, but others do not? For example, the Bigfoots can make sound in our dimension, and the gnomes eyes can reflect light? This would mean they are physically interacting with our dimension, but selectively.

Also, I'd like to hear more about the wood gnomes.

The interdimensional people seem to have the ability to selectively, make various parts of their bodies visible, possibly for identification purposes in the dark or between dimensions. Bigfoot do it. I have had two other small bipedal people turn their eyes on for me, in addition to these likely wood gnomes. Bigfoot can howl, make eyeshine, make footprints, break large branches, stomp their feet w/ noise, throw rocks, and pound their hand on walls of homes, all while invisible in the dimension once removed from ours. Not so for the dimension twice removed from ours. But it takes only a brief moment to transfer dimensions, because I have heard it.

[historian]

I have a question. How come certain aspects of them appear in this dimension, but others do not? For example, the Bigfoots can make sound in our dimension, and the gnomes eyes can reflect light? This would mean they are physically interacting with our dimension, but selectively.

Also, I'd like to hear more about the wood gnomes.

Wood gnomes are short people (less than 2 foot high) with very wide heads, beady eyes and long snouts. Their eyes occur on the outer front edges of their heads, similar to a horse. They have been photographed wearing a hat with clothes.

[Normal Dude]

Not so for the dimension twice removed from ours. But it takes only a brief moment to transfer dimensions, because I have heard it.

If I am reading this correctly, transferring dimensions makes a sound? What does it sound like?

Also, has anyone proposed a mechanism by which they can change dimensions?

Fascinating stuff!

[Normal Dude]

Wood gnomes are short people (less than 2 foot high) with very wide heads, beady eyes and long snouts. Their eyes occur on the outer front edges of their heads, similar to a horse. They have been photographed wearing a hat with clothes.

How do they interact with humans? Do they interact with Bigfoot?

[historian]

"I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 [One Million Dollars/US] to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under the following rules and limitations:"

As you can see, the award does not apply to someone who can produce or prove a supernatural being. The supernatural abilities must be owned by the applicant. So through a tecnicality, they would not have to pay a cent.

[Normal Dude]

"I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 [One Million Dollars/US] to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under the following rules and limitations:"

As you can see, the award does not apply to someone who can produce or prove a supernatural being. The supernatural abilities must be owned by the applicant. So through a tecnicality, they would not have to pay a cent.

It could be interpreted that way. On the other hand, you can always contact them for clarification and you will generally recieve a reply quickly.

[Rasmus]

Wouldnt the energy requirements of a cloaking device cause BF to need too much energy, which is not available in North America's northern forests.

Ha! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somebody_Else%27s_Problem_field)

[historian]

If I am reading this correctly, transferring dimensions makes a sound? What does it sound like?

Also, has anyone proposed a mechanism by which they can change dimensions?

Fascinating stuff!

When the Bigfoot are running in, in say the dimension once removed from ours, and then perform a dimension change on the fly, there is a change in sound level and type. But not a sound directly associated with a change in dimensions. When the little people change phases from an orb to a 3-dimensional person in an invisible dimension, there can be a slight zzzzzzt.

[historian]

How do they interact with humans? Do they interact with Bigfoot?

Bigfoot and little people, are often present at the same time. I have never heard any squabble.

[kitakaze]

Burgstahler, I'm curious. If the opportunity were to present itself to question Stephen Hawking on your claims regarding him, what do you think his response might be?

Is Michio Kaku aware of these invisible bigfeet?

How have you established that all these claims you make are factual and not the product of delusion?

Do you regard Beckjord as a superior observer of interdimensional beings?

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

"I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 [One Million Dollars/US] to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under the following rules and limitations:"

As you can see, the award does not apply to someone who can produce or prove a supernatural being. The supernatural abilities must be owned by the applicant. So through a tecnicality, they would not have to pay a cent.

If the JREF is willing to accept speaker cables for the challenge, (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=95361) I'd imagine that invisible beings from another dimension would more than qualify.

[madurobob]

"I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 [One Million Dollars/US] to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under the following rules and limitations:"

As you can see, the award does not apply to someone who can produce or prove a supernatural being. The supernatural abilities must be owned by the applicant. So through a tecnicality, they would not have to pay a cent.
Nothing in that Randi quote says YOU have to own the ability, only that you can demonstrate that is exists. As you have stated here in this thread, bigfoot is paranormal (see your post #65). Note the use of this same term in the challenge.

I do not speak for the JREF, but I strongly suspect that if you claim you can do the things you claim in post #75, Randi will be happy to test this and award the $1M if you pass the test.

Imagine it - you would be $1M richer, would have the immediate attention of a huge WW scientific community, and immediate international acclaim. There i no reason for you to not apply for teh challenge.

[DrewD]

If you have the ability to interact with beings that can phase in and out of dimensions, That would qualify for the MDC.

[William Parcher]

The application process seems effective at filtering out crackpots.

[kitakaze]

Imagine it - you would be $1M richer, would have the immediate attention of a huge WW scientific community, and immediate international acclaim.And everybody would be like "Beckjord who?" C'mon Burgstahler, show 'em who the real orb handler is!

[HerNibs]

Is he single? I have a sister that will (and has) marry pretty much anything. She'll be in the market soon.

She likes the woods.

[historian]

Burgstahler, I'm curious. If the opportunity were to present itself to question Stephen Hawking on your claims regarding him, what do you think his response might be?

Is Michio Kaku aware of these invisible bigfeet?

How have you established that all these claims you make are factual and not the product of delusion?

Do you regard Beckjord as a superior observer of interdimensional beings?

Stephen Hawking only states in public that Bigfoot are paranormal, as far as I know. I can't speculate on what else he might say. I do know that he does not return emails in regard to the subject of Bigfoot. He probably does not want to be ostracized from the scientific community. He likely knows far less than I do, about the benovolent nature of the Bigfoot. I believe that his experience is based primarily on a 60's government report, that incorrectly concluded that Bigfoot could not be communicated with.

I cannot imagine that Kaku, is not aware of the invisible Bigfoot.

Established? Weekend after weekend, with and without witnesses, is how I establish to both myself and others that Bigfoot are not only invisible most of the time, but are quite intelligent and often understand english. I also have some really cool video and audio, of bigfoot reacting to my words and thoughts, when they were 300 yards away. Which implies both mental telepathy and an understanding of the english language.

Beckjord, rarely gets out in the woods. He relies heavily on finding faces or other dark shapes in photographs of trees that through his wild imagination, he concludes that they have strange connections that are often Bigfoot. I have gone back to areas where other blobsquatch experts find bigfoot in trees and have investigates those dark shapes. By pure chance, mere shadows just happened to take on some strange shape, in those cases. Even Beckjord's recent bigfoot expedition picture that he claims is a bigfoot standing by an SUV, appears to be another case of his imagination gone wild. In that picture, he uses the rear view mirror inside of the SUV, to depict male genetalia. He has apparently had a number of possible Bigfoot experiences though, where they may have hypnotized him in some manner since they may not have valued his company very highly. Beckjord turns a lot of people off on the paranormal bigfoot. Beckjord is just trying to be the last man standing, by eliminating all his competition, so that he can get back onto Letterman.

I haven't had any serious problems with the Bigfoot. The worst thing to happen to me is being electronically zapped by most likely a bigfoot orb on my left eye, that currently has better vision than my right eye. The orbs have turned off my digital recorders and temporarily affected camcorders. Sometimes they use small electrical pulses to shut off our recording devices. The Bigfoot have noticeably backed off on their electronic games in my area, as time goes by. But they do like to stand next to my tent, or follow me home and stand by my bedroom at night, so that they can eavesdrop on my dreams. Making sound with there feet, by either stomping, kicking or dragging them, is also one of their little games. Same deal with the little invisible people.

[Locknar]

Silliest thread ever.... Historian, you and the ET Corn God guy from another thread seriously need to seek professional mental help.

[historian]

Silliest thread ever.... Historian, you and the ET Corn God guy from another thread seriously need to seek professional mental help.

Locknar, sometimes, and this appears to be one of those times, the advice one gives to another is best meant for ourselves. Let us know how the shrink sessions come out. We will be eager to welcome the new you, back. Once you open your mind a wee bit.

[RayG]

When the Bigfoot are running in, in say the dimension once removed from ours, and then perform a dimension change on the fly, there is a change in sound level and type. But not a sound directly associated with a change in dimensions.

In other words bigfoot only creates a 'change' in sound level not an actual sound when it changes dimensions? Have you determined HOW bigfoot is able to manipulate dimensions? If he's invisible how do you know if he's in our dimension or another? If he's in a different dimension, what's the difference between an invisible bigfoot and no bigfoot at all?

Ever read any Lawrence Krauss?

When the little people change phases from an orb to a 3-dimensional person in an invisible dimension, there can be a slight zzzzzzt.Kinda like a mosquito?

RayG

[Normal Dude]

When the little people change phases from an orb to a 3-dimensional person in an invisible dimension, there can be a slight zzzzzzt.



Kinda like a mosquito?


Wait, the mosquitos can change phases to an invisible dimension?

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Of course - can't everything?

[arthwollipot]

I do not disagree with arthwollipot, when he states that Yowies can be invisible and are fairly vicious. On the other hand, the Bigfoot in North America have decided to get along with mankind.

Oh come on, guys. Can't you tell that I was just taking the pease?

BTW Historian, "taking the pease" is an Australian slang term, so you might not be familiar with it. I guess the equivalent American phrase would be "stealing your thunder". You know that old nursery rhyme "pease pudding hot, pease pudding cold, pease pudding in the pot nine days old"? Well, when the yowie comes in and steals your pease pudding pot on the eighth day, that's "taking the pease". They do it so that you won't have anything to eat and crow about to your mates - hence, "stealing your thunder".

They're not only mean, they're malicious as well. And they're smart enough to understand what it means to an Aussie bloke to be able to crow about his pease to his mates. You might have heard about our famous "peasing contests"?

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Good clarification, Arthwollipot.

If we're going to have pease pudding, then make mine hot, please?

Now, not being an Aussie, I'm also concerned about the Bunyip and Drop Bears, visible or not.

I've heard/read that these too can be as big a scourge on the Australian landscape as the Yowie.

Can you please enlighten us?

Thanks!

[arthwollipot]

Oh yes. Drop bears. You don't want to mess with them. Like, walking under their tree. They're worse than the hoop snakes.

Bunyips are a fairy story.

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Well - Wikipedia says that both drop bears and bunyips are mythical.

I'm sure we all know better.

Whatever next? The Loch Ness monster is a myth?

As if!

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Also, Wiki says the Yowie is mythical.

So - how come there's a statue to a Yowie - the non-invisible sort - in Kilcoy, Queensland, then? :)

Proof positive, I think!

[arthwollipot]

Wikipedia has obviously been infiltrated by government agents (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22299260-2,00.html). Drop bears and hoop snakes are every bit as real as yowies.

The worst thing about drop bears is that you can't even hear them coming. The first (and only) warning you have is when the bastard flattens you, and then it's too late.

Through my long experience in the outback, I've come to recognise the signs of drop bears in the trees and avoid them. Hoop snakes of course are fairly easy to see coming. They're fast though, so you'd better hop up on your ute as soon as you see one rolling your way.

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Presumably you trick the invisible drop bear into counting up to ten by stamping his/her foot?

Then they overbalance, and fall out of the tree, so you can see the dent in the ground?

Isn't it always the case, though, that no matter whatever it is, or wherever you are, it's always the evil gubmint to blame?

How on earth do they get into power, when everybody knows this?

I guess it's all down to the old saying, "It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always get in!"

[arthwollipot]

Hang on - when did I ever claim that the drop bears are invisible? They aren't. They're just very good at hiding in the trees so that you can't see them.

Of course, when they land on you, you're face down in the dirt, so you don't have an opportunity to see them in the fraction of a second you have left. But they're real, and they're totally of this dimension.

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Of course they are. :)

Hey - this is fun!

[arthwollipot]

It sure is. :)

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

If I can pick up on your comment earlier - did you say that bunyips were fairies?

If so - in what sort of way?

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

you know - I've just had a thought.

Perhaps some people just might be thinking that we're not taking this subject seriously?

Naah! I can't think why that might happen. :)

[lionking]

Hang on - when did I ever claim that the drop bears are invisible? They aren't. They're just very good at hiding in the trees so that you can't see them.

Of course, when they land on you, you're face down in the dirt, so you don't have an opportunity to see them in the fraction of a second you have left. But they're real, and they're totally of this dimension.
If you want to find about the scourge of the aussie bush, the Drop Bear, check out this link.
http://www.cfr.com.au/dropbears/
And you thought that sharks, spiders, snakes and crocs were the only danger down under.

[Locknar]

Locknar, sometimes, and this appears to be one of those times, the advice one gives to another is best meant for ourselves. Let us know how the shrink sessions come out. We will be eager to welcome the new you, back. Once you open your mind a wee bit.

Personal attack, and the "open your mind" tact - golly, never saw that coming *lol*

Rather then drone on and on in this thread, why not just apply for the JREF Challange....or go to the local media, College/University folks with your "proof", etc. Certainly a discovery such as this, intelligent beings that live in alternate planes, would warrant news coverage let alone be probably the greatest discovery of all time.

But of course, you can't do any of that...because you have no "proof", you have a bunch of gibberish that you've twisted (in your own mind) as "proof" that nobody but you can understand.

[historian]

In other words bigfoot only creates a 'change' in sound level not an actual sound when it changes dimensions? Have you determined HOW bigfoot is able to manipulate dimensions? If he's invisible how do you know if he's in our dimension or another? If he's in a different dimension, what's the difference between an invisible bigfoot and no bigfoot at all?

Ever read any Lawrence Krauss?

Kinda like a mosquito?

RayG

Ray, Yes, only a change in the actual sound when changing dimensions. Bigfoot has a high level of internal electricity that can often be sensed when they are in certain phases and dimensions, and within about 30 yards. I carry night vision, to verify invisibility. Invisibility = another dimension Normally the Bigfoot make some kind of familiar sound when in another dimension, even though invisible.
I have read some articles by Kraus and emailed him to suggest that he actually venture into the forest at night. Based on his most recent appearance on Coast to Coast, he sees no great reason to go into the forest to do field research. Consequently, Kraus is probably the most clueless physicist that writes books. He may be on some federal government payroll, who often spread disinformation.
Mosquitos can only be heard when they are very close. The paranormal phase change brief zzzzzzzt from a little person that I heard, was much louder and further away than what one can normally hear a mosquito. The mosquito buzz is also a fairly continuous buzz, until either you swat them or they land on you to suck the life out of you.

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Suck the life out of you, huh?

Damn big mozzies, then?

[historian]

Personal attack, and the "open your mind" tact - golly, never saw that coming *lol*

Rather then drone on and on in this thread, why not just apply for the JREF Challange....or go to the local media, College/University folks with your "proof", etc. Certainly a discovery such as this, intelligent beings that live in alternate planes, would warrant news coverage let alone be probably the greatest discovery of all time.

But of course, you can't do any of that...because you have no "proof", you have a bunch of gibberish that you've twisted (in your own mind) as "proof" that nobody but you can understand.

Bigfoot calling is normally a sport that requires no wind, no rain, no road noise, no creek noise, no crackling fire noise, no cricket noise, no footstep noise, no condensation dripping from tree noise, and somewhat warm weather. The rainy season just started in my parts, so Bigfoot calling season is over with for the time being. It does not start up again for another 8 or 9 months. Bigfoot invisibility is not a discovery. Lots of people know about it and have known about it for quite some time. It is merely something that the public media will not repeat or put in print, so that the public slowly forgets about it. The public generally does not want to hear about Bigfoot, especially an invisible Bigfoot. I never said that I have gibberish recordings. What is one man's proof is another man's "bunch of unrelated, unsubstantiated strange sounds." Persons who are not used to listening for the Bigfoot, normally cannot even recognize a footstomp sound, much less dissect the dozens of other nightime noises that they have been ignoring their entire lives.

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Ah - so it's just like religion?

To understand Bigfoot you need to have been initiated into the mysteries?

That explains why the rest of us can't find the elusive creature?

[Locknar]

Bigfoot calling is normally a sport that requires no wind, no rain, no road noise, no creek noise, no crackling fire noise, no cricket noise, no footstep noise, no condensation dripping from tree noise, and somewhat warm weather. The rainy season just started in my parts, so Bigfoot calling season is over with for the time being. It does not start up again for another 8 or 9 months. Bigfoot invisibility is not a discovery. Lots of people know about it and have known about it for quite some time. It is merely something that the public media will not repeat or put in print, so that the public slowly forgets about it. The public generally does not want to hear about Bigfoot, especially an invisible Bigfoot. I never said that I have gibberish recordings. What is one man's proof is another man's "bunch of unrelated, unsubstantiated strange sounds." Persons who are not used to listening for the Bigfoot, normally cannot even recognize a footstomp sound, much less dissect the dozens of other nightime noises that they have been ignoring their entire lives.


Eh....what???

I suggest you should take your "proof" and take it to the media, or say a College/University, etc. and this is your answer?

[historian]

Eh....what???

I suggest you should take your "proof" and take it to the media, or say a College/University, etc. and this is your answer?

Locknar, Why would I want to take something to the media? Answer that.
The media does not want to hear the Bigfoot are real. They only want to hear that Bigfoot is a hoax. So they are predisposed to calling you either a liar, or attacking your credibility. I take people out into the forest, from time to time and usually when we are out camping for some other purpose, and find reasonable audio proof that there is something intelligent out there on two feet, that science and society is not telling us about.

Here is a recent example of what gets put in the media. This media person just happened to show up for the local Bigfoot researcher campout. And I did call in a Bigfoot for him, but it was in a dimension twice removed from ours, so was barely making any noise whatsoever. Consequently, the media would not confirm anything since they did not know what to listen for. Which is the common problem associated with proving the existence of something that is normally invisible. http://www.sweethomenews.com/news/results.cfm?story_no=7373

On other occasions, I have been successful at getting them to kick up quite a racket.

[historian]

Ah - so it's just like religion?

To understand Bigfoot you need to have been initiated into the mysteries?

That explains why the rest of us can't find the elusive creature?

Religion? I suggest you go to your dictionary.

Recognizing Bigfoot requires you to put in the hours, learning by yourself, with dead nuts on Bigfoot calls and a broadcasting system. Don't forget the night vision. And not the Gen 1 or Gen 2 crap. Then you will be exposed to a wide variety of situations from which you can analyze the noise patterns. Or you can find an expert that can teach you. Which are quite difficult to find, as I understand. No listing in the phone book, or on the internet. I don't teach because people are unwilling to pay to learn something, that competition has not driven prices into the cellar. I am not going to waste my time working for peanuts, and training the competition at the same time.

[LTC8K6]

Historian, can animals see and sense bigfoot?

Why does an invisible bigfoot stink? Doesn't the stink render the invisibility much less effective?

[Normal Dude]

What is one man's proof is another man's "bunch of unrelated, unsubstantiated strange sounds."

Thanks, this is great sig material.

[historian]

Historian, can animals see and sense bigfoot?

Why does an invisible bigfoot stink? Doesn't the stink render the invisibility much less effective?

The Bigfoot stink either when they don't like you or don't trust you. It is a warning. No bigfoot has ever skunked me. Some little people though, appeared to plant some very sweet smells, just outside the drivers door, before I exited the vehicle. And I heard their giggling at one of those locations. So sweet smells are fun and games. Stink is a warning.

[Normal Dude]

Wait a minute....

Bigfoot giggles?

[drapier]

No, the little people giggle. You should pay more attention.

[RayG]

...it was in a dimension twice removed from ours, so was barely making any noise whatsoever.

How exactly did you determine it was "in a dimension twice removed from ours"?

Do you have a Star Trek tricorder?

RayG

[Babylon Sister]

How exactly did you determine it was "in a dimension twice removed from ours"?

Do you have a Star Trek tricorder?

RayG

And, what exactly is a "dimension twice removed from ours"?

[Locknar]

Locknar, Why would I want to take something to the media? Answer that.
The media does not want to hear the Bigfoot are real. They only want to hear that Bigfoot is a hoax. So they are predisposed to calling you either a liar, or attacking your credibility. I take people out into the forest, from time to time and usually when we are out camping for some other purpose, and find reasonable audio proof that there is something intelligent out there on two feet, that science and society is not telling us about.

Here is a recent example of what gets put in the media. This media person just happened to show up for the local Bigfoot researcher campout. And I did call in a Bigfoot for him, but it was in a dimension twice removed from ours, so was barely making any noise whatsoever. Consequently, the media would not confirm anything since they did not know what to listen for. Which is the common problem associated with proving the existence of something that is normally invisible. http://www.sweethomenews.com/news/results.cfm?story_no=7373

On other occasions, I have been successful at getting them to kick up quite a racket.

Hummm.....I see. So when was this event? Where was it held? Who else was there?

So to paraphrase, you held some event and when folks could not "see" your invisible friend, they left?

[DrewD]

Locknar, Why would I want to take something to the media? Answer that.
The media does not want to hear the Bigfoot are real. They only want to hear that Bigfoot is a hoax. So they are predisposed to calling you either a liar, or attacking your credibility. I take people out into the forest, from time to time and usually when we are out camping for some other purpose, and find reasonable audio proof that there is something intelligent out there on two feet, that science and society is not telling us about.

Could you please explain why sound is still heard in this dimension???

[historian]

Hummm.....I see. So when was this event? Where was it held? Who else was there?

So to paraphrase, you held some event and when folks could not "see" your invisible friend, they left?

August 29, 2007 is the internet article date. August 25th was the night of the exhibition. All names are listed in the article. The article tells exactly where it was held. Of course, it could have been held in virtually any forest, because bigfoot exist in most forests around these parts.

Nobody left because they could not see a bigfoot. Two left early because their dog was freaking out and they were getting tired. Only four were there to begin with. Nice try on twisting the story around though.

[arthwollipot]

Why was the dog freaking out? Was it reacting to the presence of the bigfoot in the twice-removed dimension? Or was there some other reason. Gnomes, maybe?

[historian]

How exactly did you determine it was "in a dimension twice removed from ours"?

Do you have a Star Trek tricorder?

RayG

Ray, The audio characteristics of the bigfoot, define for me the dimension that I have concluded that they exist in at any particular time. You of course, can use whatever terminology that you wish, once you get some time in the saddle. In the dimension twice removed from ours, they can walk through trees, and walk through thick brush, without any audio perceivable impediment. A very light footstep noise can be heard, of not much more than about one pound pressure per foot. In this dimension, they are very nearly weightless since the higher dimensions have less and less connection to our gravity. They can see and hear us in this dimension. They most likely cannot howl or break large branches, in this dimension. We can sense an electromagnetic presence from up to about 30 yards or so, when they are in this dimension.

[Locknar]

August 29, 2007 is the internet article date. August 25th was the night of the exhibition. All names are listed in the article. The article tells exactly where it was held. Of course, it could have been held in virtually any forest, because bigfoot exist in most forests around these parts.

Nobody left because they could not see a bigfoot. Two left early because their dog was freaking out and they were getting tired. Only four were there to begin with. Nice try on twisting the story around though.

Who's twisting anything; I was paraphrasing what you said not the article.

In reading this thread, you've said Bigfoot is intelligent....so why would they come here to eat mushrooms and corn? For that matter, why would invisible creatures need to break cameras with sticks?

[DrewD]

So 50% of the people left.

In other words half of everyone left.

Or one could say that only half remained.

Or better yet, only 1/2 of the people had enough brains to leave this crazyfest when they heard you say:

Bigfoot is right over there. Only you can't see him. See look right over there. 300 yards south by southeast. Right next to that log. You not being able to see him/her/hermie is yet more proof that he/she/hermie is there.

[historian]

Could you please explain why sound is still heard in this dimension???

Sound is heard in our dimension because sound travels between dimensions. While the bigfoot are in dimensions once and twice removed from ours, they step on twigs, branches etc., that are in our dimension. Light does not appear to travel from higher dimensions to lower dimensions, as far as I can tell.

[historian]

Why was the dog freaking out? Was it reacting to the presence of the bigfoot in the twice-removed dimension? Or was there some other reason. Gnomes, maybe?

Yep, according to them, there dog gets hyper when bigfoot are around.

[arthwollipot]

Does the dog ever get hyper when bigfoot is not around?

I ask because I have a dog which periodically goes hyper. I want to be sure that it's just because she is young and is being wound up by my other dog, and not because of some extradimensional presence. Because that wouldn't be a bigfoot, it'd be a yowie.

[historian]

Who's twisting anything; I was paraphrasing what you said not the article.

In reading this thread, you've said Bigfoot is intelligent....so why would they come here to eat mushrooms and corn? For that matter, why would invisible creatures need to break cameras with sticks?

Bigfoot does not like to be recorded. Possibly if they are, more people will follow to trash the area like the patterson-gimlin sight. Or the NSA will make a mid week day trip and trash the place as well. They likely have all sorts of little toys to drive the bigfoot away. NSA even has super moles that have risen to positions of authority in bigfoot research. Their job remains to locate, intercept and either destroy or call in the NSA to destroy BIGFOOT EVIDENCE. Portable / van mounted microwave emitters are their weapon of choice. Much easier than breaking and entering, and the crime can't be connected back to them.

[historian]

So 50% of the people left.

In other words half of everyone left.

Or one could say that only half remained.

Or better yet, only 1/2 of the people had enough brains to leave this crazyfest when they heard you say:

Bigfoot is right over there. Only you can't see him. See look right over there. 300 yards south by southeast. Right next to that log. You not being able to see him/her/hermie is yet more proof that he/she/hermie is there.

Actually, I never said a bigfoot was right over there, which was only about 20 yards away. I didn't hear it. All of the others heard it. I only sensed it's electromagnetic presence. They described to me what they heard. The sounds are so light that they are easily absorbed by other persons clothing that are nearby.

[Normal Dude]

Why is the NSA involved with Bigfoot?

I have another question about the gnomes and little people. Do they steal things? Like underpants, pens, socks? Because dangit mine is disappearing all the time. And do they, ..., the underpants for a profit? They move my keys also.

[historian]

Does the dog ever get hyper when bigfoot is not around?

I ask because I have a dog which periodically goes hyper. I want to be sure that it's just because she is young and is being wound up by my other dog, and not because of some extradimensional presence. Because that wouldn't be a bigfoot, it'd be a yowie.

I should say upon rethinking what happened, their dog started shivering and squirming, since it is a small dog and they carry it. So look for fear in the dog.

[historian]

Why is the NSA involved with Bigfoot?

I have another question about the gnomes and little people. Do they steal things? Like underpants, pens, socks? Because dangit mine is disappearing all the time. And do they, ..., the underpants for a profit? They move my keys also.

NSA fulfills the directive of the US government, which is to keep Bigfoot a secret, by whatever means necessary.

Interdimensional people can grab something in our dimension, and make it disappear. Bigfoot can stand one on each side of you, and make you disappear supposedly. I haven't tried it.

[Normal Dude]

NSA fulfills the directive of the US government, which is to keep Bigfoot a secret, by whatever means necessary.

Interdimensional people can grab something in our dimension, and make it disappear. Bigfoot can stand one on each side of you, and make you disappear supposedly. I haven't tried it.

Why the NSA? How do you know this?

So they disappear into the other dimension. So using Bigfoots help, we can travel into another dimension?

I would still like to know why the gnomes grab my underpants. They must be gaining something for it, profit if you will. All I know is that: 1: They steal my underpants. 2: ... I don't know. 3: They profit somehow!

I just don't get it! :: Drinks more coffee::

[arthwollipot]

I should say upon rethinking what happened, their dog started shivering and squirming, since it is a small dog and they carry it. So look for fear in the dog.

Ah, I see. And you're sure the dog didn't just want to be put down so he/she could go and have a wee?

[madurobob]

Bigfoot does not like to be recorded. Possibly if they are, more people will follow to trash the area like the patterson-gimlin sight. Or the NSA will make a mid week day trip and trash the place as well. They likely have all sorts of little toys to drive the bigfoot away. NSA even has super moles that have risen to positions of authority in bigfoot research. Their job remains to locate, intercept and either destroy or call in the NSA to destroy BIGFOOT EVIDENCE. Portable / van mounted microwave emitters are their weapon of choice. Much easier than breaking and entering, and the crime can't be connected back to them.

I'm beginning to think these bigfoots are big [rule 10] weenies. I mean, there are millions of them across the globe, they can phase in and out of our "dimension", can walk through solid matter (except for sticks in the forest, which they step on a break), and have moles in the NSA. Yet, they're afraid to show themselves because we might trash their favorite parts of the forest?

[Rule 10] weenies. If I were bigfoot I'd take over Fox "news" and tell the country they better stay home from now on, cuz the next people to walk in my woods.. won't be walkin back out.

Bigfoots got no game. I could totally kick any bigfoot butt, invisible or not.

[Rule 10] weenies.

[RayG]

NSA fulfills the directive of the US government, which is to keep Bigfoot a secret, by whatever means necessary..

And you know this because...? What connection do you have with NSA? Have you ever worked for NSA? Worked with another organization that works with NSA? Which branch of NSA kept bigfoot secrets? I'd love to know, because I had contact hundreds of times with NSA (mid 70's - mid 80's), and never once did I see or hear any mention of bigfoot.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/raygavel/esqn100x99.jpg

RayG

[TjW]

And you know this because...? What connection do you have with NSA? Have you ever worked for NSA? Worked with another organization that works with NSA? Which branch of NSA kept bigfoot secrets? I'd love to know, because I had contact hundreds of times with NSA (mid 70's - mid 80's), and never once did I see or hear any mention of bigfoot.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/raygavel/esqn100x99.jpg

RayG

See? That's how good they are.

[TjW]

Oh come on, guys. Can't you tell that I was just taking the pease?

BTW Historian, "taking the pease" is an Australian slang term, so you might not be familiar with it. I guess the equivalent American phrase would be "stealing your thunder". You know that old nursery rhyme "pease pudding hot, pease pudding cold, pease pudding in the pot nine days old"? Well, when the yowie comes in and steals your pease pudding pot on the eighth day, that's "taking the pease". They do it so that you won't have anything to eat and crow about to your mates - hence, "stealing your thunder".

They're not only mean, they're malicious as well. And they're smart enough to understand what it means to an Aussie bloke to be able to crow about his pease to his mates. You might have heard about our famous "peasing contests"?

Arthwollipot, you seem to be well up on yowies. Could you tell me what their position is on pease porridge hot?

Also, if there is only one victim with pease pudding, but many yowies, how do they handle that? Do they line up? That is to say, are they minding their pease in queues?

[historian]

Ah, I see. And you're sure the dog didn't just want to be put down so he/she could go and have a wee?

Wasn't my dog. The owners told me exactly what I told you.

[historian]

And you know this because...? What connection do you have with NSA? Have you ever worked for NSA? Worked with