Al Gore to win Nobel Peace Prize?

[Tricky]

I don't usually cruise Fox News, but while I was reading the interview with Ann Coulter, I came across this (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301175,00.html).

Just a day before the Nobel Peace Prize winner is to be announced, a cancellation of a fundraising event and a meeting on the climate crisis in Asia — both of which Al Gore was to attend — are fueling speculation that the former vice president may be preparing to make an even bigger splash — perhaps as the Peace Prize recipient.
Yes, it is possible that the Nobel Prize committee is doing this to take a slap at Shrub, but that in itself is a pretty strong message.

Let's see, Bill Clinton is spearheading international diplomacy missions, Carter is heading "habitat for humanity". VP Al Gore might win a Nobel Prize...

What have the Republicans done after they left office? Yeah, George Herbert Walker Vestibule Bush teamed with Clinton in Katrina relief (after doing nothing for more than ten years), but other than that? He has the most open door possible to being a player in the current administration, but he doesn't do squat. I'll be easy on Reagan because he was already suffering from Alzheimer's when he left office (though as I recall, the first thing he did was give a paid speech to Japanese businessmen.) But what about Quayle? Do any of those guys continue to want to serve their country after they've left office?

[ConspiRaider]

Hey Trickster -

I'm hoping Big Al wins the Prize just to see what that will do to Sean Hannity's stupid eyebrows. Maybe they'll get cross-tied into a knot that even medical science won't be able to de-tangle? Here's hoping.

Democrats have this annoying problem: We care about people we don't even know. We care about the future. We care about people who had the cheekiness to not be born as lucky as us. And we take wide stances on everything (except in the men's room).

And then to hear the Republican-owned dirtbag talk show hosts such as Pigboy Limbaugh or Sean Insanity run down folks such as Carter, Clinton and Gore: That's appalling. But more than that: Pigboy and Insanity are the Number 1 and Number 2 talk show hosts in the USA. With Savage at Number 3.

Hope Big Al gets the Nobel. Maybe that will provide the impetus to him to finally decide to go for the Big One in 2008.

[Upchurch]

With Savage at Number 3.
What? Seriously? Not even Glen Beck or Bill O'Reilly?

Where do you find numbers like that, btw. I occasionally wanted to check, but I can never figure out where to look.

[Dr Adequate]

But what about Quayle? Do any of those guys continue to want to serve their country after they've left office? As a service to his country, Dan Quayle has had himself permanently sealed inside a small metal box, for which I salute him --- although arguably a true patriot would have waived the airholes.

[Tricky]

As a service to his country, Dan Quayle has had himself permanently sealed inside a small metal box, for which I salute him --- although arguably a true patriot would have waived the airholes.
I hope he didn't go on the cheap and get one without armor plating.

[ConspiRaider]

What? Seriously? Not even Glen Beck or Bill O'Reilly?

Where do you find numbers like that, btw. I occasionally wanted to check, but I can never figure out where to look.
Hiya Churchman -

More than happy to oblige. This is from Talker's Magazine:
http://www.talkers.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=34

[Charlie Monoxide]

Let's see, Bill Clinton is spearheading international diplomacy missions, Carter is heading "habitat for humanity". VP Al Gore might win a Nobel Prize...

Errr, how many Republicans ever won the Nobel Peace Prize? In a quick Google search I could only find Milton Friedman, but that was for economics.

Charlie (GWB For Nobel Booby Prize!) Monoxide

[headscratcher4]

http://www.nysun.com/article/64276

Well, here's who the NYSun wants to win....to quote Orwell, war is peace.

[ConspiRaider]

Errr, how many Republicans ever won the Nobel Peace Prize? In a quick Google search I could only find Milton Friedman, but that was for economics.

Charlie (GWB For Nobel Booby Prize!) Monoxide
I think Senator Larry Craig is up for a Prize Piece...

[Darth Rotor]

I think Senator Larry Craig is up for a Prize Piece...
Glad you came back, I was worried you had left us.

I am still trying to figure out why Bill Gates isn't eligible, but Al Gore is.

I guess it depends on who you know.

DR

[ConspiRaider]

http://www.nysun.com/article/64276

Well, here's who the NYSun wants to win....to quote Orwell, war is peace.
Holy friggin' Toledo.

And I didn't even know General Petraeus had breasts:

We advance the name of General Petraeus this year because he has come to personify the GI Joes and GI Janes of whom he is in command. He has breasted an extraordinary amount of obloquy on behalf of their, and our country's, cause and courage.

Is this NYSun a Repub rag in NYC?

[Skeptic Guy]

As a service to his country, Dan Quayle has had himself permanently sealed inside a small metal box, for which I salute him --- although arguably a true patriot would have waived the airholes.

As long as he has supplied himself with enough tomato(e)s to on which survive.

[ConspiRaider]

Glad you came back, I was worried you had left us.

I am still trying to figure out why Bill Gates isn't eligible, but Al Gore is.

I guess it depends on who you know.

DR
Hey Darthster -

Almost left, but there are too many cool people here. Makes leaving tough.

Gates could never win the Nobel. Did you ever use DOS 3.2?!? That alone would disqualify him, for life...

[headscratcher4]

Is this NYSun a Repub rag in NYC?

Is Anne Coulter a crazy woman douchebag?

[ConspiRaider]

Is Anne Coulter a crazy woman douchebag?
Roger that, HS4. Not NYC savvy in the world of rags, thought this was an aberration or sumpin'.

[dudalb]

Well,this thread has shown be that people on the left can be just as over the top when it comes to blind ideology and hatred of anybody who disagrees with them as the right can be.
Am I the only one who thinks that come 2008,we in the US might just be exchanging one bunch of blind ideologues for another?

[ConspiRaider]

Well,this thread has shown be that people on the left can be just as over the top when it comes to blind ideology and hatred of anybody who disagrees with them as the right can be.
Am I the only one who thinks that come 2008,we in the US might just be exchanging one bunch of blind ideologues for another?
Yes. Yes you are the only one who thinks that.

I don't hate anyone who disagrees with me. In fact I welcome it. That way I can draw them in close and nail 'em with my left...

[tracer]

As long as he has supplied himself with enough tomato(e)s to on which survive.


Ya sure you don't mean potatoes?

[Darth Rotor]

Gates could never win the Nobel. Did you ever use DOS 3.2?!? That alone would disqualify him, for life...
Game, set, and match, Conspi, you win this one. :) I never once saluted General Protection Fault, when windows arrived, but to say I am nostalgic for DOS 3.2 would be a falsehood.

DR

[Oliver]

It's official...

Nobel Peace Prize goes to Gore, climate panel (http://us.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/12/nobel.gore/index.html)

Former Vice President Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change won the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize today for their efforts to draw attention to the issue of climate change. The honor comes as a group of Democrats is urging Gore to jump into the race for the White House. developing story (http://us.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/12/nobel.gore/index.html)

Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/12/nobel.gore/index.html

[Gurdur]

...I am still trying to figure out why Bill Gates isn't eligible, but Al Gore is.

Most likely the Nobel Committee had to use Windows, and were pissed off.

[Tricky]

Most likely the Nobel Committee had to use Windows, and were pissed off.
Yeah, he had a shot, until Microsoft released Vista.

And congrats to Al.

[Dr Adequate]

Well,this thread has shown be that people on the left can be just as over the top when it comes to blind ideology and hatred of anybody who disagrees with them as the right can be. No, I think it was the little magic pixies at the bottom of your garden who showed you that, with the voices in your head concurring.

---

That reminds me, what has been the reaction from the looney right? This should be amusing.

[Rob Lister]

Yeah, he had a shot, until Microsoft released Vista.

And congrats to Al.

Yes, he can join such notable laureates as Yasser Arafat.

[Dr Adequate]

I just thought --- does this make him the first person to get a Nobel Prize and an Oscar?

The combination can't be common.

[Gurdur]

Yes, he can join such notable laureates as Yasser Arafat.

Wrong, very wrong. Arafat does not use Vista. He died before it came out.

[Oliver]

Wrong, very wrong. Arafat does not use Vista. He died before it came out.


Even wronger. He used the Beta, got ill and died.

[Cain]

The political Right is going to have a seizure. Al Gore has done more to raise awareness about global warming than any other person. Things would actually get interesting if he announced he was running for the Democratic nomination. Then the Clinton camp would have a seizure, and team-up with the vast right-wing conspiracy. Gore would probably name Obama as his running mate.

[geni]

Darn I was expection someone involved in negotateing an end to the centeral african republic conflict to win.

[ViperVisor]

Quayle is looking for the real killer.

I saw a interview with him in a golf mag when I was getting a haircut. He is the greatest VP or Prez golfer ever. Also some membership in a couple think tank things or whatever.

[Upchurch]

Hiya Churchman -

More than happy to oblige. This is from Talker's Magazine:
http://www.talkers.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=34

Thank ya kindly.

[Upchurch]

The political Right is going to have a seizure. Al Gore has done more to raise awareness about global warming than any other person. Things would actually get interesting if he announced he was running for the Democratic nomination. Then the Clinton camp would have a seizure, and team-up with the vast right-wing conspiracy. Gore would probably name Obama as his running mate.
He would be better off where he is now. I've heard it said that an ex-public servant can do way more good (or harm) than a sitting public servant. I think this is because they can parlay that credibility and experience towards a narrow set of goals of their own choosing rather than every little thing their constituents and lobbyists want.

As far as I'm concerned, Gore is right where he needs to be to do the most good. My only regret is that he isn't making anymore pop culture appearances, a la Futurama. (I'm a 12th Level Vice President!)

[Overman]

Just you wait....the new Futurama episodes premier soon....

[Upchurch]

I'll be easy on Reagan because he was already suffering from Alzheimer's when he left office
You should at least give credit to Nancy Reagan and Ron Jr. for picking up the pro-stem cell research banner when that debate came along.

Also, toward the end of his life, Ford spoke out in favor of full equality (http://pageoneq.com/news/2006/ford122806.html) in our society for gays and lesbians.

[Beerina]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but how is touting global warming a peace issue?

One might argue that by making the west less dependent, it would put less pressure on Middle Eastern governments to be such a prize for thugocracies, and thus make life more peaceful over there, but even that's a stretch given a lack of oil hasn't exactly stopped wars and even genocide in areas of Africa and elsewhere.

[corplinx]

Grats to Al Gore! The boy who used to smoke pork here in Memphis every year during barbeque fest has a nobel.

I would really like to see glacier melt attacked more head-on though in the future. Sometimes I wonder if the climate movement is afraid to point fingers.

For instance, Al Gore being carbon neutral at his home won't remove brown clouds over the himalayas:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/08/070801-brown-clouds.html

[ConspiRaider]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but how is touting global warming a peace issue?
Because no one country can go up against it singlehandedly. Nor can a limited group of nations. Global warming joins the whole-earth-affecting issues such as pollution, species extinction, disease prevention, disaster preparedness and response, and - hell - even asteroid deflection - that requires the cooperation of all nations for addressing, and hopefully solving.

When you have to get together with people in other countries to solve issues that affect us all: You might just spend LESS time trying to envision a better bayonet for the purpose of ripping the guts out of those same people. Maybe. A slim chance, but it does exist.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I just thought --- does this make him the first person to get a Nobel Prize and an Oscar?

The combination can't be common.

Al Gore didn't win an Oscar.

[Dr Adequate]

Al Gore didn't win an Oscar. OJ Simpson didn't kill anyone. It was the knife!

[negativ]

Because no one country can go up against it singlehandedly. Nor can a limited group of nations. Global warming joins the whole-earth-affecting issues such as pollution, species extinction, disease prevention, disaster preparedness and response, and - hell - even asteroid deflection - that requires the cooperation of all nations for addressing, and hopefully solving.

When you have to get together with people in other countries to solve issues that affect us all: You might just spend LESS time trying to envision a better bayonet for the purpose of ripping the guts out of those same people. Maybe. A slim chance, but it does exist.

I truly believe that giant "plop" sound I just heard was the Janjaweed shedding a giant collective tear. Really.

Yes, peace (http://hrw.org/) is finally upon us.

[ConspiRaider]

I truly believe that giant "plop" sound I just heard was the Janjaweed shedding a giant collective tear. Really.

Yes, peace (http://hrw.org/) is finally upon us.
Come in? Earth to negativ? What the hell are you talking about, over?

[The Painter]

Because no one country can go up against it singlehandedly. Nor can a limited group of nations. Global warming joins the whole-earth-affecting issues such as pollution, species extinction, disease prevention, disaster preparedness and response, and - hell - even asteroid deflection - that requires the cooperation of all nations for addressing, and hopefully solving.

When you have to get together with people in other countries to solve issues that affect us all: You might just spend LESS time trying to envision a better bayonet for the purpose of ripping the guts out of those same people. Maybe. A slim chance, but it does exist.

WOW. you really are crazy. That makes no sense at all. Maybe if I clip my ugly toenails people will be happier and world peace will follow. Give me the prize. Oh yeah, you can deflect the asteroids with my toenail clippings.

[ConspiRaider]

WOW. you really are crazy. That makes no sense at all. Maybe if I clip my ugly toenails people will be happier and world peace will follow. Give me the prize. Oh yeah, you can deflect the asteroids with my toenail clippings.
Hurts, doesn't it. Too bad you have to live with the fact that Big Al got the Nobel Peace Prize. And you can't take it away from him. Gotta hurt.

You're uneducated, correct? What was it about learning things that turned you off the most?

[Tricky]

Yes, he can join such notable laureates as Yasser Arafat.
Yeah, and Henry Kissinger. Figure that one out.

No, the thing about the Nobel is that it is not a lifetime award. It is for a single acheivement.

After all, Teddy Roosevelt won one and he was in favor of genocide against the native American "savages".

[JoeEllison]

Yeah, and Henry Kissinger. Figure that one out.

No, the thing about the Nobel is that it is not a lifetime award. It is for a single acheivement.

After all, Teddy Roosevelt won one and he was in favor of genocide against the native American "savages".

This is looking like one of DOC's threads all of a sudden...

[Schneibster]

Ya sure you don't mean potatoes?That would be potatos. The "e" only appears in the singular form.

[Schneibster]

That reminds me, what has been the reaction from the looney right? This should be amusing."There's no global warming." What did you expect? Creativity? :D

[JoeEllison]

"There's no global warming." What did you expect? Creativity? :D

You've completely missed the subtlety and retarded genius of the right-wing positions(plural) on global warming:

"There's no global warming. Ok, there IS global warming, but it is part of the normal cycle. Well, ok, the cycle seems off, but it can't be man-made. Oh hell, global warming is real, caused by human behavior, but it will really improve those cold Wisconsin winters. Hmmmm... we admit global warming is real, caused by people, and will have a negative impact, but the solution will be devastating to the economy! Global warming? That's some crap Al Gore invented, and isn't he boring... and FAT!"

See? There's tons of complexity to their stupidity!:D

[UserGoogol]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but how is touting global warming a peace issue?

One might argue that by making the west less dependent, it would put less pressure on Middle Eastern governments to be such a prize for thugocracies, and thus make life more peaceful over there, but even that's a stretch given a lack of oil hasn't exactly stopped wars and even genocide in areas of Africa and elsewhere.

It makes sense to me. Global warming could easily have fairly significant negative effects on agriculture in at least some areas of the world, for instance, and because food is such a vital resource, failures of food can lead to people waging wars to try to make up the difference. Norman Borlaug got a Nobel Prize in 1970 for his role in creating and promoting high-yield breeds grain, which is pretty analogous. There are probably other ways that global warming could lead to "unpeace," but that like the first one that comes to mind.

[ConspiRaider]

It makes sense to me. Global warming could easily have fairly significant negative effects on agriculture in at least some areas of the world, for instance, and because food is such a vital resource, failures of food can lead to people waging wars to try to make up the difference. Norman Borlaug got a Nobel Prize in 1970 for his role in creating and promoting high-yield breeds grain, which is pretty analogous. There are probably other ways that global warming could lead to "unpeace," but that like the first one that comes to mind.
Good one, UG.

Here's something else. We already are seeing the very leading edges of how radical weather changes can adversely affect a region's population. I've read reports that part of the cause for the Darfur conflict includes effects of drought in that area. I'm sure you have too. Up north, the Inuit are anticipating radical life changes as the polar cap melts away. We still have people displaced and most unhappy in this country as a result of Hurricane Katrina. The terrible aftereffects of the tsunamis from the Sumatra undersea quake of 3 years ago are still being experienced. And so on. When Nature lashes out in a big destructive manner - huge, long-lasting and traumatic ripples spread to human populations.

Getting together collectively - all nations - to try and head off global warming is of tremendous benefit. But it can also establish a procedure, a process, to address the inevitable effects that are sure to come, regardless of what may be implemented. Without conflict, war - but peaceably. Tens of millions - and maybe hundreds of millions - will be on the move when the water supply dries up or the crops fail or the cities gets flooded.

Of course I ain't holding my breath for that to occur. You'd think something like the United Nations could work - and yet the USA (under this regime) wants to pull out of the UN. Or flout its recommendations. Like Kyoto. Same deal. And remember - Gore was a key figure in drawing up the Kyoto Protocol.

Fasten your seatbelt. It's gonna be a bumpy century.

[JoeEllison]

You'd think something like the United Nations could work - and yet the USA (under this regime) wants to pull out of the UN. The purpose of America joining and maintaining membership in the UN, especially(but not exclusively) under Republican regimes, seems to be geared towards subverting the UN, not participating in an honest and supportive way.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

OJ Simpson didn't kill anyone. It was the knife!

???

Not only did Al Gore not win an Oscar, he wasn't even nominated.

[negativ]

Of course I ain't holding my breath for that to occur. You'd think something like the United Nations could work - and yet the USA (under this regime) wants to pull out of the UN. Or flout its recommendations. Like Kyoto. Same deal. And remember - Gore was a key figure in drawing up the Kyoto Protocol.

Are you talking about the same UN which features Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Nigeria on its illustrious Human Rights Council?

[UnrepentantSinner]

The "you know who really should have won a Nobel Peace Prize - Ronald Reagan" meme was in full force on talk radio after the announcement (at least what I was able to listen to today), but it unfortunately hasn't spread to the top 10 hits on Google yet (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ronald+reagan+nobel+prize).

Odd though, that Discovery Institute one...

You've completely missed the subtlety and retarded genius of the right-wing positions(plural) on global warming:

"There's no global warming. Ok, there IS global warming, but it is part of the normal cycle. Well, ok, the cycle seems off, but it can't be man-made. Oh hell, global warming is real, caused by human behavior, but it will really improve those cold Wisconsin winters. Hmmmm... we admit global warming is real, caused by people, and will have a negative impact, but the solution will be devastating to the economy! Global warming? That's some crap Al Gore invented, and isn't he boring... and FAT!"

See? There's tons of complexity to their stupidity!:D

Joe if we substitute "evolution" for global warming in your parodygraph it would sound exactly the same!

[Dr Adequate]

???

Not only did Al Gore not win an Oscar, he wasn't even nominated. Your bewelderment strikes me as factitious, you do in fact know what I mean.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Your bewelderment strikes me as factitious, you do in fact know what I mean.

I think you think he won an Oscar. He did not.

I've seen this mentioned in the press too. It's lazy reporting.

[Tricky]

I think you think he won an Oscar. He did not.

I've seen this mentioned in the press too. It's lazy reporting.
No, the movie won the Oscar. Al Gore is just the person most closely associated with the movie. I think he also gave the acceptance speech. So I think you do understand what is meant when people say "Al Gore won an Oscar". It is really not necessary to insist on the drawn-out explanation. Part of the job of reporting is to keep things succinct.

[Schneibster]

The "you know who really should have won a Nobel Peace Prize - Ronald Reagan" meme was in full force on talk radio after the announcement (at least what I was able to listen to today), but it unfortunately hasn't spread to the top 10 hits on Google yet (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ronald+reagan+nobel+prize).

Odd though, that Discovery Institute one...You know what amazes me reading that DI screed, is that I lived through that crap, and had no trouble identifying the tactics used by those people with features of 1984. Doublespeak, Ignorance is Strength, the whole bit. We even called the Young Republicans the Reagan Youth. When he broke the Air Traffic Controllers' Union, and let Bruce Babbitt call out the National Guard for the Phelps-Dodge strike by the United Steel Workers and the United Mine Workers, nobody had any question what Reagan was about. But if you really want to know what went down, take a look at the S&L Crisis/Scandal. They stole $125 billion, and nobody said "boo." That was the first of the Big Thefts. The next one was the 2000 "dot-com 'bubble,'" where they stole $7 trillion, and the biggest one is yet to come- there was $13 trillion in the US housing market two years ago today. Gee, I wonder where all that money went? Whadda ya know.

Take a look one time at who bought the prime properties the Resolution Trust Corp. had for sale, for pennies on the dollar. Ever hear of the State Street Bank? How about Duncan Hunter? :D Have fun. Plenty of hints in there for you.

[Dr Adequate]

Oh hell, global warming is real, caused by human behavior, but it will really improve those cold Wisconsin winters. Or, in the imortal words of Kent Hovind:

"I'm in favour of global warming. Go for it. Start the car, just let it idle. Burn the fuel. Heat up the ozone or whatever they are going to do to it and let's have it. Increase the value of my property." (Kent Hovind, Truth Radio 17 May 2006 @ 47:00)

[The Central Scrutinizer]

No, the movie won the Oscar. Al Gore is just the person most closely associated with the movie. I think he also gave the acceptance speech. So I think you do understand what is meant when people say "Al Gore won an Oscar". It is really not necessary to insist on the drawn-out explanation. Part of the job of reporting is to keep things succinct.

No, I don't know what is meant. Following the same logic, you could say that Leonardo DiCaprio won an Oscar, since he is closely associated to The Departed. I expect more out of skeptics.

My point is that it is sloppy reporting when major media outlets report that he is the first Oscar winner to win the Nobel Prize.

[a_unique_person]

Are you talking about the same UN which features Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Nigeria on its illustrious Human Rights Council?

The IPCC was created by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Meteorological_Organization WMO, nothing to do with the UN, using the UN as a means to facilitate it's activities. The scientific research has nothing to do with the UN.

[a_unique_person]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but how is touting global warming a peace issue?

One might argue that by making the west less dependent, it would put less pressure on Middle Eastern governments to be such a prize for thugocracies, and thus make life more peaceful over there, but even that's a stretch given a lack of oil hasn't exactly stopped wars and even genocide in areas of Africa and elsewhere.

According to the senior law enforcement officer of Australia.



http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22476969-30417,00.html



CLIMATE change, not terrorism, will be the main security issue of the century, with potential to cause death and destruction on an unprecedented scale, Australia's top policeman believes.
In a surprise foray into the politics of global warming, Australian Federal Police commissioner Mick Keelty described how climate refugees "in their millions" could create a national security emergency for Australia.
His provocative comments, made in a speech in Adelaide last night, are likely to be diplomatically sensitive after he described a scenario in which China was unable to feed its vast population.
Law enforcement agencies would struggle to cope with global warming's "potential to wreak havoc, cause more deaths and pose national security issues like we've never seen before", Mr Keelty said. "It is anticipated the world will experience severe extremes in weather patterns, from rising global temperatures to rising sea levels," he warned.
"We could see a catastrophic decline in the availability of fresh water. Crops could fail, disease could be rampant and flooding might be so frequent that people, en masse, would be on the move.
"Even if only some and not all of this occurs, climate change is going to be the security issue of the 21st century."
Mr Keelty said the implications for China were especially alarming. By 2040, with global temperatures surging towards a predicted 3C rise, and sea levels up 50cm, the land available in China to grow grain and rice could be reduced by 30 per cent.
"The mass displacement of people, particularly in the Asia-Pacific region, could create a great deal of social uncertainty and unrest in the region.
"In their millions, people will look for new land and they'll cross borders to do it."

[Tricky]

No, I don't know what is meant. Following the same logic, you could say that Leonardo DiCaprio won an Oscar, since he is closely associated to The Departed. I expect more out of skeptics.

My point is that it is sloppy reporting when major media outlets report that he is the first Oscar winner to win the Nobel Prize.
Okay, you have a point. I don't know why it bothers you though. It's almost as if you are worried because Al Gore is getting more credit than he deserves.

As a sincere question, who gets to carry home the statue when a movie wins the "Best Picture" or "Best Documentary" Oscar? As you point out, it should not be any of the people. Or would you say that all the people involved in the movie share the Oscar? If that is the case, then you certainly can say Al Gore won at least part of an Oscar and part of a Nobel.

[UnrepentantSinner]

You know what amazes me reading that DI screed, is that I lived through that crap, and had no trouble identifying the tactics used by those people with features of 1984.{truncated}

I'm going to start using "{truncated}" for posts with which I agree entirely instead of "{snip}". Hopefully it will reflect my total agreement with the quoted poster where I don't want to consume page space quoting the entire post.

It will take something severe for me to embrace the same attitude towards economics that some of our more liberal members do, but at this point I have a hard time arguing against America being a Plutocracy when it comes to who has dollars 13 days after payday and who does not.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Okay, you have a point. I don't know why it bothers you though. It's almost as if you are worried because Al Gore is getting more credit than he deserves.

Given my disdain for politicians, that certainly is a part of it! :)

As a sincere question, who gets to carry home the statue when a movie wins the "Best Picture" or "Best Documentary" Oscar?

The producer of the movie gets the best picture or best documentary Oscar. In this case, that person is Davis Guggenheim (who also happened to be the director of the film.)

And I think at some point in the past few years, the Academy placed a limit on the number of statues that could be handed out for a Best Picture win, because there was "producer inflation", and some of these pictures were listing 8-10 producers. I think the limit now is 4, but don't hold me to that.

[Gurdur]

There are times when overly officious pedantry is not something appropriate.

[UnrepentantSinner]

There are times when overly officious pedantry is not something appropriate.

Only an overly officious pedant would say that. :p

[Gurdur]

Only an overly officious pedant would say that. :p

Coulda phrased it differently by saying instead,
"There are times when being a bloody smartarse berk is not a good idea",
OTOH, the response would be predictable there too, I guess.

[Tricky]

Given my disdain for politicians, that certainly is a part of it! :)
Yeah, but not all politicians surely! Only the self-serving egotistical ones. Both of the other ones are nice guys!

The producer of the movie gets the best picture or best documentary Oscar. In this case, that person is Davis Guggenheim (who also happened to be the director of the film.)

And I think at some point in the past few years, the Academy placed a limit on the number of statues that could be handed out for a Best Picture win, because there was "producer inflation", and some of these pictures were listing 8-10 producers. I think the limit now is 4, but don't hold me to that.
Well, that makes some sense, although, according to some of my musician friends, the main job of any producer is fund-raising. Still since Guggenheim directed it too, I'll agree that it is more his Oscar than Gore's. But one can make the argument that if he let Gore do the acceptance speech (and I believe that is the case) then it is not unreasonable for the media and others to treat it as "Gore's Oscar".

[The Central Scrutinizer]

There are times when overly officious pedantry is not something appropriate.

I agree. This is not one of those times. But thank you for participating.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Yeah, but not all politicians surely! Only the self-serving egotistical ones. Both of the other ones are nice guys!

There are two?

But one can make the argument that if he let Gore do the acceptance speech (and I believe that is the case) then it is not unreasonable for the media and others to treat it as "Gore's Oscar".

One could make that argument. But they shouldn't. It's lazy. :)

[Gurdur]

I agree. This is not one of those times. But thank you for participating.

Noncreative and boringly typecast. Try again?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Noncreative and boringly typecast. Try again?

Again, thank you for participating. Your opinion has been noted. What was it again?

[Tricky]

There are two?
Purportedly.


One could make that argument. But they shouldn't. It's lazy. :)
Okay, it's lazy, and after all, why should they be lazy about making such an important distinction? They should be working their asses off to make sure Al doesn't get any undeserved credit.;)

C'mon, Scrut, you gotta admit that demanding that Gore give up his Oscar sounds a little... well... whiny. Gore could have spent the last eight years whining about how he was cheated, but to his credit, he moved on. You really haven't even heard him comment that much about Bush.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

C'mon, Scrut, you gotta admit that demanding that Gore give up his Oscar sounds a little... well... whiny.

He doesn't have an Oscar to give up. :)

[Tricky]

He doesn't have an Oscar to give up. :)
Oh Scrut. I can't believe you'd let me push your buttons like that.:D

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Oh Scrut. I can't believe you'd let me push your buttons like that.:D

Just keeping you on your toes.

Now give me a damn Language Award.

[Dr Adequate]

I think you think he won an Oscar. What Tricky said, except that I think that you do know perfectly well what is meant and you're just being disingenuous.

[Dr Adequate]

As a sincere question, who gets to carry home the statue when a movie wins the "Best Picture" or "Best Documentary" Oscar? The director.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Not to divert attention from the thread topic but I just noticed Scrut is on. That tells me it's a Saturday night and he's not out on a date.

I'm not surprised...

[The Central Scrutinizer]

What Tricky said, except that I think that you do know perfectly well what is meant and you're just being disingenuous.

I think you think wrong.

[Gurdur]

I think you think wrong.

But you would. So what?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

The director.

El-wrong-a-rino.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Not to divert attention from the thread topic but I just noticed Scrut is on. That tells me it's a Saturday night and he's not out on a date.

I'm not surprised...

I guess you aren't either. No surprise.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

But you would. So what?

So what? Miles Davis, 1959.

[UnrepentantSinner]

I guess you aren't either. No surprise.

Mine is having a dream filled post-coital slumber... what's your excuse?

Loser.

[Gurdur]

Heh. Heh.

How much narcotics were involved?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Mine is having a dream filled post-coital slumber... what's your excuse?

Loser.

LOL. Your hand fell asleep?

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[Dr Adequate]

El-wrong-a-rino. The producer. I sit corrected.

(In this case they were the same person, hence my confusion.)

[The Central Scrutinizer]

The producer. I sit corrected.

(In this case they were the same person, hence my confusion.)

Shouldn't you stand corrected?