Catholic Church had pardoned Knights Templar

[Mephisto]

Why is it that in organized religion it's ALWAYS about the money?


Knights Templar secrets revealed

ROME, Italy (AP) -- The Vatican has published secret archive documents about the trial of the Knights Templar, including a long-lost parchment that shows that Pope Clement V initially absolved the medieval Christian order from accusations of heresy, officials said Friday.

The 300-page volume recently came out in a limited edition -- 799 copies -- each priced at $8,377, said Scrinium publishing house, which prints documents from the Vatican's secret archives.

The order of knights, which ultimately disappeared as a result of the heresy scandal, recently captivated the imagination of readers of the best-seller "The Da Vinci Code," in which the author Dan Brown linked the Templars to the story of the Holy Grail.

The work reproduces the entire documentation on the papal hearings convened after King Philip IV of France arrested and tortured Templar leaders in 1307 under charges of heresy and immorality . . .snip . . .

Historians believe that Philip owed debts to the Templars and seized on the accusations to arrest their leaders and extort confessions of heresy under torture as a way to seize the order's riches.

The publishing house said the new book includes the "Parchment of Chinon," a 1308 decision by Clement to save the Templars and their order. The document was misplaced for centuries in the archives and found again by researchers in 2001.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/12/knights.pardon.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview


Of course they've told the truth about everything else! I can only imagine who the $8,300 price per copy of the document goes to? ;)

[OldTigerCub]

Why is it that in organized religion it's ALWAYS about the money?





Of course they've told the truth about everything else! I can only imagine who the $8,300 price per copy of the document goes to? ;)

Hopefully it goes to the "Jaques DeMolay wrongful burning at the stake" lawsuit fund...even though I haven't a clue as to who might be interested in taking on a 700 year old case...though I suspect the Vatican really just wants to buy a new Boeing 747, "Holiness-1"

[Checkmite]

Hmmm, interesting...

[Mephisto]

Hopefully it goes to the "Jaques DeMolay wrongful burning at the stake" lawsuit fund...even though I haven't a clue as to who might be interested in taking on a 700 year old case...though I suspect the Vatican really just wants to buy a new Boeing 747, "Holiness-1"

I thought maybe it could be the "We're sorry Galileo - the earth DOES orbit the sun" lawsuit fund, but I guess not. Perhaps they're just happy knowing they are "Jews perfected," or . . . does that just bring up the old assertion that Catholics aren't really Christians? ;)

[AgeGap]

I thought maybe it could be the "We're sorry Galileo - the earth DOES orbit the sun" lawsuit fund, but I guess not. Perhaps they're just happy knowing they are "Jews perfected," or . . . does that just bring up the old assertion that Catholics aren't really Christians? ;)
I see from your avatar you are an Anne Coulter fan. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Ann_Coulter_wikiworld.jpg)

[geni]

Hopefully it goes to the "Jaques DeMolay wrongful burning at the stake" lawsuit fund...even though I haven't a clue as to who might be interested in taking on a 700 year old case...though I suspect the Vatican really just wants to buy a new Boeing 747, "Holiness-1"

They wouldn't have anywhere to put it.

[Mephisto]

I see from your avatar you are an Anne Coulter fan. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Ann_Coulter_wikiworld.jpg)

Heheh, that's the first time I've ever been accused of that! :)

[Macoy]

I'm sure they just want the money for an emergency batch of uninfected condoms for Africa.

[Big Les]

This backs up the already understood reasons for the church sticking it to the Templars which IIRC were indeed the old favourites of;

a) money (they had LOTS and didn't spend it much) and..
b) power (they had too much, and of the religious variety to boot).

So they accused them of heresy (worshipping a demon called "Baphomet"), tried and convicted them (natch), and disbanded them. It's sort of biting them in their collective arses now though, with all the pseudohistorical/conspiratorial nonsense that they have to put up with.

[Mephisto]

This backs up the already understood reasons for the church sticking it to the Templars which IIRC were indeed the old favourites of;

a) money (they had LOTS and didn't spend it much) and..
b) power (they had too much, and of the religious variety to boot).

So they accused them of heresy (worshipping a demon called "Baphomet"), tried and convicted them (natch), and disbanded them. It's sort of biting them in their collective arses now though, with all the pseudohistorical/conspiratorial nonsense that they have to put up with.

Yes, the "Judge not lest ye be judged," axiom never really meant anything to most organized religions. The collective misfortunes of the Templar was also responsible for seeing Friday the 13th as a day of bad luck.

The day of Friday the Thirteenth, 1307, which began so uneventfully, was the beginning of one of the world's most enduring mysteries, and one of its greatest tragedies. On that morning, Philippe le Bel, the King of France, in collusion with the Pope, gave orders for the arrest of over one hundred knights of the Order of the Temple, on charges of heresy. Over the next seven years, dozens were tortured, tried, and executed. Many more were imprisoned. The Grand Master of the order, Jacques De Molay, was broken and burned at the stake.

My favorite artist H.R. Giger did a painting entitled "Baphomet" too.

BTW - I love your avatar! It's my favorite in Romero's series! I'm anxious to see 28 Weeks Later as I am a big fan of the genre! :)

[fuelair]

This backs up the already understood reasons for the church sticking it to the Templars which IIRC were indeed the old favourites of;

a) money (they had LOTS and didn't spend it much) and..
b) power (they had too much, and of the religious variety to boot).

So they accused them of heresy (worshipping a demon called "Baphomet"), tried and convicted them (natch), and disbanded them. It's sort of biting them in their collective arses now though, with all the pseudohistorical/conspiratorial nonsense that they have to put up with.

That's ok, Baphomet's memory is long and his tortures are foul even to Satan.
As some priests and popes truly can attest.


Oops, channeling again, never mind!!:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp

[Big Les]

Yes, the "Judge not lest ye be judged," axiom never really meant anything to most organized religions. The collective misfortunes of the Templar was also responsible for seeing Friday the 13th as a day of bad luck.

My favorite artist H.R. Giger did a painting entitled "Baphomet" too.

Latterly, "Baphomet" has somehow been interpreted by woo authors as the severed head of John the Baptist, and the Templars as some sort of early progressive individualist New Agers. Go figure.


BTW - I love your avatar! It's my favorite in Romero's series! I'm anxious to see 28 Weeks Later as I am a big fan of the genre! :)

I shamelessly Google-imaged it, as I did with my animated Shaun gif :) I spotted your thread - you have to see it if you're a genre fan, but by all means get a rental first. For me it's the Aliens to "Days" Alien (different league of course).

[Cainkane1]

Every single document the Templars ever wrote was burned by the catholics. The actual religious beliefs, rituals, philosophy of this religious order was destroyed. Way to go catholics.