Curiosity About Twoofer Beliefs About WTC

[TriskettheKid]

I've noticed something....odd about the way twoofers handle the WTC.

Forget the CD ideas, forget the summoning of Bahamut ZERO (seriously, what was Judy Wood thinking?), forget the endless debates about thermite/thermate, forget the small nuclear devices, etc.

Why is it that the twoofers only focus on WTC1, 2, and 7?

I've brought up WTC3 and St. Nicholas Church numerous times, only to have the two ignored.

So I'm curious....why haven't they incorporated them into their fantasy-land? It doesn't seem like it would be much of a leap.

[ref]

There is not much of a video material of WTC 3 or St. Nicholas Church. And only a couple of photographs. Not much to build a demolition on.

Also, no testimonies of explosions, squibs, rapid collapse or anything. Nothing interesting in the CT point of view.

And who would benefit from demolishing St. Nicholas Church. They find no connections.

[TriskettheKid]

There is not much of a video material of WTC 3 or St. Nicholas Church. And only a couple of photographs. Not much to build a demolition on.

Also, no testimonies of explosions, squibs, rapid collapse or anything. Nothing interesting in the CT point of view.

That doesn't seem like it would stop them, though.

Just look at what they can come up with in regards to Flight 93.

It just strikes me as odd that they would go on and on about WTC1, 2, and 7 and forget that a 22-story building also happened to get destroyed (split in half, if I remember that Naudet documentary).

[ref]

That doesn't seem like it would stop them, though.

Just look at what they can come up with in regards to Flight 93.

It just strikes me as odd that they would go on and on about WTC1, 2, and 7 and forget that a 22-story building also happened to get destroyed (split in half, if I remember that Naudet documentary).

Yes, it was split in half after the first collapse.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1363947145dde4e4f2.jpg

After both collapses it was totally destroyed.

Nothing sexy there. I can't come up with any CT theory. Neither can they, I suppose :)

[Gravy]

With a few exceptions like Fetzer et al, who claim that 80% of the towers were vaporized and never hit the ground, the conspiracists don't deny that the towers collapsed and destroyed other buildings.

WTC 3 was half-destroyed by the collapse of WTC 2 and leveled by the collapse of WTC 1.

[TriskettheKid]

You'd think they'd be all over it, what with it being owned and operated by Marriott.

[ref]

That would be a very very unconventional demolition, then :cool:

[leftysergeant]

They are just not very detail-oriented.

The other buildings, if they do not support their theories are just distractions from ther real smoking guns.

They think that they are paying attention to detail when they present their evidence, but they are not, as evidenced by the way they reject any counter-argument as disinfo.

Too much attention to detail actually disturbs them, because it would shred their most carefully-woven fabric of woo-woo in seconds.

[TriskettheKid]

I guess I'm just curious as to why they only talk about the collapse of three buildings that day, and not all of them.

I mean, they'll wail on and on about how few people were even aware that WTC7 collapsed, yet a great deal of them aren't even aware that other buildings collapsed.

[Magenta]

Yikes, I hadn't seen that photo of WTC3 before. Wouldn't it be a bit inconvenient for the "buildings collapsed in their own footprint" and "WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane but still collapsed" malarkey?

[ref]

You are correct in pointing out, that they actively promote only 3 collapses.

One only needs to take a look at Richard Gage's site: www.ae911truth.org (http://www.ae911truth.org)

In their own words, They are "Re-examining the 3 WTC high-rise collapses" with the number 3 underlined. They make no mention of other collapses. Or maybe they are only re-examining the 3 and accepting the rest :cool:

[jhunter1163]

Yikes, I hadn't seen that photo of WTC3 before. Wouldn't it be a bit inconvenient for the "buildings collapsed in their own footprint" and "WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane but still collapsed" malarkey?

You are moving closer to understanding why it is ignored by Troofer-sans, grasshopper...

[TriskettheKid]

Yikes, I hadn't seen that photo of WTC3 before. Wouldn't it be a bit inconvenient for the "buildings collapsed in their own footprint" and "WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane but still collapsed" malarkey?
Yeah, powerful image, isn't it?

I wonder how it was able to keep standing.

[leftysergeant]

I guess I'm just curious as to why they only talk about the collapse of three buildings that day, and not all of them.

Actually, some of them do go on at some length about the appearance of WTC 5 and 6 in aerial views because they seem to imagine something there to support the discombobulator ray gun theory.

But, again, it shows their inherent lack of attention to detail. The "round" holes in the tops of WTC 5 and 6 they claim are actually straight-edged or zig-zagged in such small increments as to apper round to the inattentive eye.

[TriskettheKid]

Pity, really.

I'd always thought that I was just unaware of a CT regarding the other collapses.

[ref]

Here is a photo of the St. Nicholas Church:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1363947146329e910f.jpg

Not really surprising it collapsed.

[TriskettheKid]

Yeah, I know it's tiny, but it did collapse.

Speaking of which, it's hard to make out just how far it is from WTC2. Any idea on the distance?

[ref]

Yeah, I know it's tiny, but it did collapse.

Speaking of which, it's hard to make out just how far it is from WTC2. Any idea on the distance?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/13639471464a012245.gif

Here is the map of the area. St. Nicholas Church is #18. WTC 1 & 2 were 208 ft (a bit over 63 meters) wide. I would say the church is about that distance away from WTC 2. Approx 200 ft.

[TriskettheKid]

Removed this post because I posted without thinking.

[ref]

So what was building 19? Is it 90 West St?

It seems to be about the same distance from WTC2 as WTC7 was from WTC1. I doner how badly it was damaged.

You can go here to find out, what the numbers are:

http://www.wirednewyork.com/wtc/wtc_map.htm

#19 is 90 West St.

[Architect]

And who would benefit from demolishing St. Nicholas Church. They find no connections.

You forget the NWO's Jewish links, Grasshopper....

[Mancman]

Never underestimate ace:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2089480&postcount=434
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2090960&postcount=474

I apologise for any IQ points lost during examination of the above lunacy.

[Firestone]

Never underestimate ace:Or Killtown (http://killtown.911review.org/wtc6.html)!

(Same apologies.)

[Bell]

Yes, it was split in half after the first collapse.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1363947145dde4e4f2.jpg

After both collapses it was totally destroyed.

Nothing sexy there. I can't come up with any CT theory. Neither can they, I suppose :)

There where firemen working in that hotel when WTC2 crashed on it.

[Magenta]

And who would benefit from demolishing St. Nicholas Church. They find no connections.

You forget the NWO's Jewish links, Grasshopper....

When I saw the photo of the church dwarfed by WTC2 in the background and surrounded by a vacant lot used for car parking, I thought it looked like a prime site for redevelopment...

Never underestimate ace:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2089480&postcount=434
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2090960&postcount=474

I apologise for any IQ points lost during examination of the above lunacy.

But Truthseeker1234 was Just Asking Questions! I notice he's been banned - I hope you lot weren't mean to him. ;)

On a sombre note, I was impressed with the photos taken by Bill Biggart, especially the one of WTC2 falling on WTC3, and had a look for more of his work. I hadn't realised he was killed that day.

[njslim]

There where firemen working in that hotel when WTC2 crashed on it.

About 40 FDNY members and several Marriott employees were killed in the twin collapses
One of the dead was Michael Quilty of Ladder 11 - he was family member of one of
departments members. Name is on memorial plaque on wall of TEN HOUSE (FDNY Eng 10/
Ladder 10).

[CHF]

Weren't there reports of "molten metal" under WTC6?

If so, how could twoofers not include it in the conspiracy?

[Gravy]

Yeah, I know it's tiny, but it did collapse.I don't understand your line of reasoning. The buildings you're referring to were squashed when quarter-mile high towers fell on them. Those external causes are not in debate and were not the subjects of investigations.

[Dave Rogers]

I don't understand your line of reasoning. The buildings you're referring to were squashed when quarter-mile high towers fell on them. Those external causes are not in debate and were not the subjects of investigations.

I think Trisket's line of reasoning is that because something happened, therefore there must be a truther out there mad enough to assume it was part of the conspiracy that it should happen. It doesn't really matter how obvious the cause or how little it's in debate. After all, you could say that WTC7 collapsed because a quarter-mile high tower fell on it and it then burned for seven hours, but look how far that gets you with the TM. And you have to admit, before 9-11 no modern steel-framed high-rise building had ever been squashed when a quarter-mile high tower fell on it.

When I first started looking into 9-11 conspiracy theories I found a site that listed all seven WTC buildings and put forward a set of "suspicious" circumstances surrounding each and every one. Weren't the precious metals that the TM thinks were worth 120 billion gazillion dollars underneath WTC5, "proving" that the destruction of WTC5 was part of the conspiracy? I can't remember any of the others and I've never found that website since then, so I suppose I'll have to file it with realcddeal's Silverstein interview and the 3" rebar on 4' centres.

Dave

[ref]

About 40 FDNY members and several Marriott employees were killed in the twin collapses
One of the dead was Michael Quilty of Ladder 11 - he was family member of one of
departments members. Name is on memorial plaque on wall of TEN HOUSE (FDNY Eng 10/
Ladder 10).

Here is a site dedicated to the Marriott (WTC 3) victims & survivors.

http://www.sept11marriottsurvivors.org/

[ref]

On a sombre note, I was impressed with the photos taken by Bill Biggart, especially the one of WTC2 falling on WTC3, and had a look for more of his work. I hadn't realised he was killed that day.

Sadly he did die in the second collapse.. The photos are very impressive. That photo of WTC 3 split in half is the last one he took.. at 10:28:24 a.m... He had 3 cameras with him, and his digital camera memory card survived.

Those interested may visit his site and read more about him as well as see more photos taken by him here:

http://www.billbiggart.com/

[sts60]

What an impressive person he was.

Not to derail the thread, but I think this (http://www.billbiggart.com/911_16.html) picture demonstrates clearly the insanity of the notion that WTC 7 was purposely demolished to destroy incriminating documents.