Why does the "Truth" movement consist of 90% white males?

[CHF]

Single white males, to be specific.

Why exactly does the "truth" about 9/11 seem to reveal itself so disproportionately to this demographic?

I honestly don't mean this as just another cheap ad hominem attack; I seriously want to know.

Surely truthers have noticed the shocking similarity in the kind of people who show up to 9/11 TM meetings and rallies, and I know they don't believe in coincidences, so.....What gives?

Anti-war rallies draw a very diverse gathering (albeit, generally left-of-centre) but rallies at GZ are made up almost entirely of white guys in their late teens, early 20s.

Do any of our resident truthers have inside info that could shed some light on this?

[BenBurch]

If they were getting laid regularly they wouldn't be so obsessed with the long, thick, hard WTC towers.

[Drudgewire]

"I'm crazy" is only a turn on for ladies if it's followed by "and rich." :p

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

1) free time
2) disposable income
3) suburban angst/emo
4) lack of real life issues to worry about

[T.A.M.]

Two words...

"James Dean"

TAM:)

[DavidJames]

Two words...

"James Dean"

TAM:)Yup, sausage for brains.

Wait, wrong Dean, never mind.

[T.A.M.]

lol...well now that you mention it, either Jimmy or James Dean would be apt, but James best describes the underlying motivation of the truther boyz.

TAM:)

[nicepants]

They're also the demo group most likely to have watched/or own a copy of the Matrix, and/or V for Vendetta.

[defaultdotxbe]

Two words...

"James Dean"

TAM:)
rebel without a clue?

[uruk]

Maybe they think women will like them for "Like, you know, careing 'bout stuff".

[dudalb]

lol...well now that you mention it, either Jimmy or James Dean would be apt, but James best describes the underlying motivation of the truther boyz.

TAM:)

I now have mental image of Dylan getting down on his knees and yelling "YOU ARE TEARING ME APART"!

[firecoins]

The truth movement hasn't yet put into effect a proper affirmative action plan.

[Metullus]

How do you know that we are all 90% white males?

What is the other 10%?

[firecoins]

who took this poll? If the truth movement did we shouldn't trust it. I beleive the # is closer to 100%.

[BenBurch]

Everybody knows that the real way to get women is to go to Greenpeace meetings...

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Maybe they think women will like them for "Like, you know, careing 'bout stuff".

For Wendy I'll be an activist too, / 'cause that's what Brian Boitano'd do!
1y8iWtOypSA

[SDC]

who took this poll? If the truth movement did we shouldn't trust it. I beleive the # is closer to 100%.

Would it be totally crass to suggest that some women volunteer to join the movement with the express purpose of luring them (the Trutheteers) in the general direction of healthy, uhm, exercise, and sanity?

[CHF]

How do you know that we are all 90% white males?

What is the other 10%?

who took this poll? If the truth movement did we shouldn't trust it. I beleive the # is closer to 100%.

My 90% figure is based purely on what I've seen at twoofer rallies.

I'd say the other 10% seem to be made up of 5% other males (Asian, black, etc) and maybe 5% women.

In August when I went to GZ, there were 20-25 twoofers milling about and only one or two were women. There was another woman wandering around, obviously high on drugs, but one of the twoofers told me she wasn't part of their team. She certainly blended in nicely though!

[BenBurch]

Would it be totally crass to suggest that some women volunteer to join the movement with the express purpose of luring them (the Trutheteers) in the general direction of healthy, uhm, exercise, and sanity?

But is there enough soap in the world?

[chillzero]

I now have mental image of Dylan getting down on his knees and yelling "YOU ARE TEARING ME APART"!

:mad:

I hate you now.

[Belz...]

Why does the "Truth" movement consist of 90% white males?

I've got a better question for you. Why does the "truth" movement consiste of 100% falsehood ?

[Belz...]

If they were getting laid regularly they wouldn't be so obsessed with the long, thick, hard WTC towers.

Somehow I'm sure they wouldn't get smarter if they did.

Long and hard, eh ?

[Metullus]

My 90% figure is based purely on what I've seen at twoofer rallies.Ah, my mistake. I though that you meant that the truth movement was composed only of males who are 90% white. That would be an odd statistic indeed.

[jaydeehess]

Single white males, to be specific.



Single white, non-Jewish males:boxedin:

[leftysergeant]

Have you noticed how many of them source their drivel from white nationalist or militia or "Freemen" sites? They seem to have drawn a lot of motivation and inspiration from groups with a slightly patriarchal bias. Being white and male, they are not immediately repulsed by the smell that Jews, blacks, women with a good self-image and actual liberals smell at the portal page to Prison Planet or WhatReallyHappened.

[nicepants]

How do you know that we are all 90% white males?

What is the other 10%?

Woo-men :)

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Have you noticed how many of them source their drivel from white nationalist or militia or "Freemen" sites? They seem to have drawn a lot of motivation and inspiration from groups with a slightly patriarchal bias. Being white and male, they are not immediately repulsed by the smell that Jews, blacks, women with a good self-image and actual liberals smell at the portal page to Prison Planet or WhatReallyHappened.

Yeah, like Chavez, Castro, Michael Moore (he's hinted with coming out as a truther)

There are kooks on the left who believe in this too. Mostly due to either their hatred for Bush, or hatred of America. It clouds their judgment.

[qarnos]

Maybe they think women will like them for "Like, you know, careing 'bout stuff".

[clerks II]

Randall: I know you're a huge ******* nerd of Potsie-like proportions, and no chicks dig nerds, especially nerds who are into Lord of the Rings.

Elias: Chicks dig Lord of the Rings, Randall.

Randall: Yeah the kind of girls who are into swords and elves and ****, and I wouldn't **** them with the Torch of Gondor.

[/clerks II]

:D

[CHF]

Darn, I was hoping to have some twoofers give their take on why the kind of people attracted to their movement are the same folks who camp outside of Star Trek conventions.

[Brainster]

Well, let's see. First, the only magazine that has covered the Troofers at all sympathetically is Hustler, which is squarely aimed at the young, stupid white male demographic. Looking at the Zogby Poll results, we can see some more indications of what groups tend to be MIHOP, more than others:

1. Liberals to moderates are slightly more MIHOP than average. Libertarians appear to be far more MIHOP, although the margin for error with only 15 Libertarians polled is enormous. However, the result does fit with anecdotal evidence. Libertarians are overwhelmingly white and male.

2. Those who gave their religion as "Other/None" were somewhat more likely than average to believe in MIHOP, although oddly this contrasts with some other findings of the poll, which found that those who attend church weekly were more likely to be Troofer than those who rarely or never attend church. Jewish people were very unlikely to be Troofer, with only 15.6% supporting LIHOP and none expressing MIHOP; again this could simply be the small sample size.

3. Singles (7.4%) were much more likely than marrieds (4.0%) to believe in MIHOP. Those describing themselves as "citizens of Planet Earth" (6.9%) were more likely to be MIHOP than those calling themselves "citizens of America" (3.4%). Gun owners (1.9%) were far less likely to be MIHOP than non-gun owners (7.0%). Oddly (perhaps) those who had been in the military (4.9%) were more likely to be MIHOP than those who had not (3.8%).

4. NASCAR fans (1.3%) were very unlikely to be MIHOP. Those who attended Little League games were much less likely (0.4%) to be MIHOP than those who attended professional sporting events (6.2%). Oddly enough, those who never shop Wal-Mart (7.0%) are much more likely to be kooks than those who shop Wal-Mart a few times a month (5.2%).

5. On the male/female issue, Zogby actually found more females (4.8%) who were MIHOP than males (4.2%). However, the biggest factor appears to be income, with those making less than $25,000 per year far more likely than any other group to be MIHOP (15.1%).

[dudalb]

Yeah, like Chavez, Castro, Michael Moore (he's hinted with coming out as a truther)

There are kooks on the left who believe in this too. Mostly due to either their hatred for Bush, or hatred of America. It clouds their judgment.

I had not heard that Moore is coming out as a truther,in fact he has poked fun on them in the past.

[Brainster]

I had not heard that Moore is coming out as a truther,in fact he has poked fun on them in the past.

He came out as semi-kook back in June (http://www.911blogger.com/node/9427).

[tacodaemon]

I don't believe in the truthers, I think they're just video effects surreptitiously inserted using WESCAM camera mounts.

Also, when we quote poll results in the future we should be sure to note how high the percentages are ABOVE SEA LEVEL.

[dudalb]

He came out as semi-kook back in June (http://www.911blogger.com/node/9427).


Which makes one wonder,if true, what "F 9/11 1/2" ,due out next spring,will be like.

[Drudgewire]

Which makes one wonder,if true, what "F 9/11 1/2" ,due out next spring,will be like.
Probably very sensationalistic... in a "I wasn't enough of an attention whore for my boring movie about the drug industry most people couldn't even be bothered to watch for free to get anyone talking so here we go again" kind of way.

[slingblade]

Because to someone non-white, the notion that he might not be able to trust his government hardly comes as earth-shattering news?

:p

[korenyx]

[quote=slingblade;3064220]Because to someone non-white, the notion that he might not be able to trust his government hardly comes as earth-shattering news?

:p[/quote

Doesn't come as earth-shattering news to this white woman. Those white guys are finally catching on. :D

Kore

[leftysergeant]

[quote=slingblade;3064220]Because to someone non-white, the notion that he might not be able to trust his government hardly comes as earth-shattering news?

:p[/quote

Doesn't come as earth-shattering news to this white woman. Those white guys are finally catching on. :D

Kore

But do you so distrust the government that you would rather trust Dylan and AJ and Chris Bollyn?

[Magenta]

5. On the male/female issue, Zogby actually found more females (4.8%) who were MIHOP than males (4.2%).


Brainster, I had a quick look at the Zogby poll on this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=96080) and it showed 7.1% of males and 3.3% of females strongly agreed with MIHOP, and 19.5% of males and 12% of females strongly agreed with LIHOP.

[dudalb]

Probably very sensationalistic... in a "I wasn't enough of an attention whore for my boring movie about the drug industry most people couldn't even be bothered to watch for free to get anyone talking so here we go again" kind of way.

I wonder if, stung by the fact that "Sicko" did not do near "F 9/11" numbers ,Moore does not decide he needs to be even more sensational,and thus decides to add a good dose of truther woo to the film.
If so, I suspect a lot of critics will jump off of the Moore bandwagon.

[Brainster]

Brainster, I had a quick look at the Zogby poll on this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=96080) and it showed 7.1% of males and 3.3% of females strongly agreed with MIHOP, and 19.5% of males and 12% of females strongly agreed with LIHOP.

That's very odd. I am going from the Zogby Poll shown here (http://www.911truth.org/images/ZogbyPoll2007.pdf). The questions disagree (the 911Truth.org poll had no options for "strongly agree, somewhat agree, etc."), and the dates of sampling were also different, so this appears to be a followup poll to try to get some additional data. It is striking that there is such a dramatic difference between the two polls, but that may just reflect the much higher margin for error with positions that have such minimal support.

[Redtail]

Well it's mainly because us Black guys have our own conspiracy theories.

The Government blew up the levies during Katrina.
The CIA created crack and introduced it to Black communities.
The Fbi created Kristal and had rappers push it because it makes you sterile but is expensive so all of the rich Black folk will want it but will have no children thus no passing on of wealth.

But, unlike the truthers we do something about it. We fight back. For example, at the Blaxplotastic BBQ* of '83, we came up with the Idea that all Black athletes would henceforth go after White women. Between that and the 1993 BBQ where we came up with the terms "Thick", "Fat", and of course "Badonkadonk" to describe womens butts thus driving many White women (who could not understand that these terms are, in fact, compliments.) into various eating disorders there would be no women left for the geeky, insecure, gullible White males.... Oh my god it's our fault... Ooooo guys I'm really sorry. I promise to bring this up at the next meeting.:boxedin:

[Hokulele]

Between that and the 1993 BBQ where we came up with the terms "Thick", "Fat", and of course "Badonkadonk" to describe womens butts thus driving many White women (who could not understand that these terms are, in fact, compliments.) into various eating disorders there would be no women left for the geeky, insecure, gullible White males....


The proper term is "Phat". You are sooo disinfo, bro.

[Redtail]

The proper term is "Phat". You are sooo disinfo, bro.

That was a dodge for the Hippies to get it into mainstream little lady whose name most like means BRADY TO MOSS!!!

Watch guys, she's totally distracted now. ;)

[Hokulele]

That was a dodge for the Hippies to get it into mainstream little lady whose name most like means BRADY TO MOSS!!!

Watch guys, she's totally distracted now. ;)


Brady to Welker!!!!


(Damn, he got me. Is it Nov. 4 yet?)

[leftysergeant]

Did I read that right? More military people believe LIHOP or MIHOP than non-veterans? Hmmmm....

[timhau]

Aren't most conspiracy theorists male in general? I've got the impression that women are more into touchy-feely woo (mediums, woo medicine, that sort of stuff).

[Caustic Logic]

I did am imformal study in conjunction with a female ATS member once, on the presumption I came to of exactly 90% white young males. She was disturbed by that thought and started a thread, and by those responses it was something like 85%.

Reasons? Arkan's are good:
1) free time
2) disposable income
3) suburban angst/emo
4) lack of real life issues to worry about

The rest of you, some zingy, witty insults there.

There's also the outsider factor, the rebel without a clue thing. Especially among the older white males attracted to the movement, communists, nationalists, guns-n-bunker types, anti-globalists, anti-semites, and other various 'nutters' at the extreme ends of things have less stake in the current system propped up by the official story and other 'myths.' If you're already an outsider, it's more appealing to have your suspicions confirmed, and you're more likely to see something sinister.

Funny thing is, to some extent it's a good trait to have. German outsiders may've been the first to see the Third Reich for what it was...

[The Silver Shadow]

They could be an extreme of the modern day activist. They watch one documentary, or read one pamphlet or something like that, and believe they know all about the given issue (In this case, 9/11), and don't even care to look at other sources that might oppose their ideas...

[GreNME]

Not for nothing, but both of those Zogby polls sound very dubious, as if they had a skewed sample to work with. I'd actually like to see their numbers (number of people sampled, margin of error, etc.).


They could be an extreme of the modern day activist. They watch one documentary, or read one pamphlet or something like that, and believe they know all about the given issue (In this case, 9/11), and don't even care to look at other sources that might oppose their ideas...

Or an extreme version of the person who reads a something like Brave New World, Stranger in a Strange Land, Nineteen Eighty-Four, Farenheight 451, Atlas Shrugged or Kafka's Amerika-- all fairly popular books that many people have read-- and think they're on to some kind of revolutionary paradigm that just has to be shared because, obviously, no one has ever thought about those things before.

[BenBurch]

Zogby is generally considered to be a very careful pollster. I can't speak to this particular poll though.

[SDC]

Or an extreme version of the person who reads a something like Brave New World, Stranger in a Strange Land, Nineteen Eighty-Four, Farenheight 451, Atlas Shrugged or Kafka's Amerika-- all fairly popular books that many people have read-- and think they're on to some kind of revolutionary paradigm that just has to be shared because, obviously, no one has ever thought about those things before.

Cut for purposes of crankiness.

Yeah, like any young people learn to read any more. If it isn't on YouTube or available via Google, it doesn't exist.

Snarl snarl. (Though in fact, I have never read anything by Rand. I started but something about her writings ... Same feeling as I got from trying to read the latest Nobel lit laureate, Lessing. Complete lack of sense of humor in their novels?)

[BenBurch]

SDC -

Harry Potter.

There is hope.

I saw CHILDREN lining up in the DARK for a BOOK.

Nothing has made me feel that good about the future in ages.

-Ben

[Nick227]

Single white males, to be specific.

Why exactly does the "truth" about 9/11 seem to reveal itself so disproportionately to this demographic?

I honestly don't mean this as just another cheap ad hominem attack; I seriously want to know.

My opinion, if you were to undertake basic psychological profiling on Truthers you'd find a high preponderance of young males with authority trips, father stuff mostly. It's there beneath the surface and the CT interpretation of recent history allows it to come up. That's why these guys get so identified with CTs.

Guys like Alex Jones feed off this, consciously or otherwise, because they understand that to motivate an authority tripper (who are usually also pretty slacker orientated), to get them up off their **** and protesting, you have to provide a credible threat to their absolute need for personal sovereignty. They'll put up with low level threats but when you talk about RFIDs or Armageddon tactics then you really get their energy flowing. Ergo the power of movies like soon-to-be-released Endgames.

Nick

[GreNME]

Zogby is generally considered to be a very careful pollster. I can't speak to this particular poll though.

Sorry, I think I may have been too terse in the statement. I wasn't attempting to call into question the credibility of Zogby. The problem with polls that are trying to measure more than a few simple options is that small sample sizes, even using the best equations, are going to be unreliable. Sure, they'd still have a bit more basis than, say, anecdotal comments taken at random, but they shouldn't be considered representative and a huge margin of error is typically caveated up-front.

The sample sizes I see on the two polls are small (about 1000), but not incredibly so. The data in the PDFs are interesting.

[GreNME]

Cut for purposes of crankiness.

Yeah, like any young people learn to read any more. If it isn't on YouTube or available via Google, it doesn't exist.

Snarl snarl. (Though in fact, I have never read anything by Rand. I started but something about her writings ... Same feeling as I got from trying to read the latest Nobel lit laureate, Lessing. Complete lack of sense of humor in their novels?)

These books aren't showing up as contemporary pop literature in schools any more? If not, that's kind of sad. I read two of those books in high school.

Even if it isn't a book, there's always something that someone finds that challenges their outlook, and after they view it they just have to share. Take the Zeitgeits 'documentary' (please). Everyone I know who I know personally who has told me that I should watch it has done so with a wide-eyed amazement at how convincing it seemed to them, even if it was only part 1 or 3 or whatever. Still, it draws even non-CT-ists because it intentionally challenges people to actually consider whether what the video is telling them is real or not (yeah, I know it's not, but I also study a boatload of Mid-Eastern history).

Now, I could speculate on why that seems to attract mostly white twenty-something males, but I couldn't claim to have done any in-depth study on it and it would mostly consist of opinion and past experience (as a white twenty-something male). It would very likely come across as too critical and typical "get off my lawn" rambling. :)