Did Idaho Senator Lie on Matt Lauer tonight?

[steverino]

Seems he has a long track record of dodging gay accusations. I say his side of the story is bunk. But there's 15 minutes left for him to dig himself out of the toilet.

[Gurdur]

I dunno. Did he? Silly boy he is. Did he foot-tap?

[madurobob]

That poor man is NOT gay! He just occasionally enjoys having sex with men.

He kept saying he does not "approve of the lifestyle". I think thats different than saying he doesn't enjoy the sex.

[Kopji]

I really think that if you are going to try and bag a congressman, you need ironclad evidence like his fingerprints on a dildo being waved from the other stall.

[KoihimeNakamura]

He was interviewed on my local news too (I currently live in Spokane, which (for some reason) shares news statiosn with Coeur D' Alene))

[CFLarsen]

Did Idaho Senator Lie on Matt Lauer tonight?

Only if he was on top.

[bozothedeathmachine]

Fark (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3140804)nailed it.

"Sen. Larry Craig claims to be a victim of what he calls “gladiator politics.” Nope, not gay at all"

[hgc]

Is there a single person in America, of those aware of the circumstances, who believes that Sen. Wide Stance (R-ID) is not light in the loafers?

[TragicMonkey]

You know, even if you have a "wide stance", the only way to get your foot to the border of your stall much less beneath it would be to remove your pants and underwear entirely. Try the experiment--unless you are wearing extremely baggy clown pants, you have to step out of them in order to spread your legs wider than the waist band permits. Does Craig, in a perfectly straight fashion, strip naked from the waist down in a public bathroom as part of his arcane toileting ritual? Very straight stuff. Of course, you can also accomplish the physical feat by keeping your pants on and all the way up, but that would suggest you're not there to use the toilet at all. Perhaps he went in there to meditate about politics.

[hgc]

You know, even if you have a "wide stance", the only way to get your foot to the border of your stall much less beneath it would be to remove your pants and underwear entirely. Try the experiment--unless you are wearing extremely baggy clown pants, you have to step out of them in order to spread your legs wider than the waist band permits. Does Craig, in a perfectly straight fashion, strip naked from the waist down in a public bathroom as part of his arcane toileting ritual? Very straight stuff. Of course, you can also accomplish the physical feat by keeping your pants on and all the way up, but that would suggest you're not there to use the toilet at all. Perhaps he went in there to meditate about politics.


I think he told the cop that he did the wide stance on the toilet (btw, if you're sitting, is it a stance?) so that his pants wouldn't slide down to the floor. But it doesn't make sense, since that would require that the knees are closer together instead. At least for me, if I'm on the john, I have my knees spread, otherwise I'm squeezing my balls like in a vice.

Will Matt Lauer (more interview coming out today) ask specifically about all this? I doubt it. What we need is a Howard Stern interview of the subject.

[TragicMonkey]

I think he told the cop that he did the wide stance on the toilet (btw, if you're sitting, is it a stance?) so that his pants wouldn't slide down to the floor. But it doesn't make sense, since that would require that the knees are closer together instead. At least for me, if I'm on the john, I have my knees spread, otherwise I'm squeezing my balls like in a vice.

In that case, either he barely lowers his pants at all, which seems as risky of messing himself as it does uncomfortable, or else he lowers them to this knees then, keeping his thighs close together, spreads his lower legs apart in a sort of seated Charleston (which would explain the tapping, as well). Either way, it sounds like he's quite the bathroom acrobat.

The lives of elected officials are really quite exotic.

Although it occurs to me that he could avoid all these gymnastics if he were wearing a skirt at the time. Was he? He might want to look into that. It would help him avoid future unjust accusations of odd behavior.

[fuelair]

You know, even if you have a "wide stance", the only way to get your foot to the border of your stall much less beneath it would be to remove your pants and underwear entirely. Try the experiment--unless you are wearing extremely baggy clown pants, you have to step out of them in order to spread your legs wider than the waist band permits. Does Craig, in a perfectly straight fashion, strip naked from the waist down in a public bathroom as part of his arcane toileting ritual? Very straight stuff. Of course, you can also accomplish the physical feat by keeping your pants on and all the way up, but that would suggest you're not there to use the toilet at all. Perhaps he went in there to meditate about politics.As politics go right now it could be argued that that is a perfectly reasonable place to meditate on them. But he did not use that in his explanation - so I have to go with "he's gay".

[fuelair]

In that case, either he barely lowers his pants at all, which seems as risky of messing himself as it does uncomfortable, or else he lowers them to this knees then, keeping his thighs close together, spreads his lower legs apart in a sort of seated Charleston (which would explain the tapping, as well). Either way, it sounds like he's quite the bathroom acrobat.

The lives of elected officials are really quite exotic.

Although it occurs to me that he could avoid all these gymnastics if he were wearing a skirt at the time. Was he? He might want to look into that. It would help him avoid future unjust accusations of odd behavior.Let's not imagine his potty training years: "Oh, look dear, Larry's going to make us so proud with that wide stance of his!!" "Yes, but it would be even better if we could just get him to tap his feet at the same time!!":D:D:jaw-dropp

[ponderingturtle]

In that case, either he barely lowers his pants at all, which seems as risky of messing himself as it does uncomfortable, or else he lowers them to this knees then, keeping his thighs close together, spreads his lower legs apart in a sort of seated Charleston (which would explain the tapping, as well). Either way, it sounds like he's quite the bathroom acrobat.

The lives of elected officials are really quite exotic.

Although it occurs to me that he could avoid all these gymnastics if he were wearing a skirt at the time. Was he? He might want to look into that. It would help him avoid future unjust accusations of odd behavior.

Great 60 year old men in skirts with out underwear(they would pose the same problem as the pants if worn) not the image I wanted.

[Upchurch]

The key issue here ought not be this man, his sexuality, and his inability to come to terms with himself. That's his business and I'm, frankly, a little tired of hearing about it.

If there is a lesson to learn from this episode in US politics, it ought to be about the hypocrisy of a nation founded in liberty, justice, and freedom putting arbitrary restrictions on the acts minority populations that in no way infringes on any other person or groups rights. We were way past hypocritical when we formed this nation with slavery, but we have slowly improved ourselves since. This is just the next step and its way past time we make it.

[Phil]

The key issue here ought not be this man, his sexuality, and his inability to come to terms with himself. That's his business and I'm, frankly, a little tired of hearing about it.

If there is a lesson to learn from this episode in US politics, it ought to be about the hypocrisy of a nation founded in liberty, justice, and freedom putting arbitrary restrictions on the acts minority populations that in no way infringes on any other person or groups rights. We were way past hypocritical when we formed this nation with slavery, but we have slowly improved ourselves since. This is just the next step and its way past time we make it.


Uppie!

Stealing everyone's comic thunder with a well-reasoned, pertinent remark. How dare you?

[Upchurch]

Uppie!

Stealing everyone's comic thunder with a well-reasoned, pertinent remark. How dare you?
Oh! um....


*fart* :o


:D

[Kerberos]

I can't believe that no one has said this already, but clearly there is one surefire bulletproof way of determining this...



Were his lips moving?

[Lisa Simpson]

The key issue here ought not be this man, his sexuality, and his inability to come to terms with himself. That's his business and I'm, frankly, a little tired of hearing about it.

If there is a lesson to learn from this episode in US politics, it ought to be about the hypocrisy of a nation founded in liberty, justice, and freedom putting arbitrary restrictions on the acts minority populations that in no way infringes on any other person or groups rights. We were way past hypocritical when we formed this nation with slavery, but we have slowly improved ourselves since. This is just the next step and its way past time we make it.

Amen, brother...but may I add that this has been very edumacational for me. I have learned more about The Bathroom Habits of the American Male from this Larry Craig incident than I ever knew before.

[pgwenthold]

The key issue here ought not be this man, his sexuality, and his inability to come to terms with himself. That's his business and I'm, frankly, a little tired of hearing about it.

If there is a lesson to learn from this episode in US politics, it ought to be about the hypocrisy of a nation founded in liberty, justice, and freedom putting arbitrary restrictions on the acts minority populations that in no way infringes on any other person or groups rights. We were way past hypocritical when we formed this nation with slavery, but we have slowly improved ourselves since. This is just the next step and its way past time we make it.


I agree. The problem is, however, guys like Larry Craig. I have no sympathy for how he has been treated, and I don't tire of it. He is reaping the benefit of a system that he himself helped to promote.

The way we are going to make the step is for folks like Larry Craig to stand up and say, "This experience has taught me an important lesson, and that is demonizing people for their private behavior is unfair (unamerican :)), not only to them, but to innocent victims of our prejudice."

So he doesn't even have to admit it. He could just decry the witchhunt in which he was caught. Come out in opposition to bigotry.

Unfortunately, the guy is so prejudiced that he won't do the right thing. He deserves to be mocked.

[corplinx]

Thank you Senator Craig for making me nervous when someone pulls up beside my in an airport stall.

[Upchurch]

Thank you Senator Craig for making me nervous when someone pulls up beside my in an airport stall.
Dang it. That's the other thing that irks me.

I wouldn't call it nervousness, but whenever I'm in a public restroom and someone sits down in the stall next to me, I'm now more conscious of what he's doing over there than I ever wanted to be.

[King of the Americas]

I just know, that 'I' won't be taking my iPod into the toilet ever again...

And if another man touched my foot with his while I was using a pulbic stall, I think I try to piss on it or stick a piece of toilet paper to it by whatever means at hand.

[JoeEllison]

I think the issue is more about the hypocrisy of the people who claim so much moral superiority over homosexuals turning out to be homosexuals themselves. I guess we should feel bad for them, but it is difficult when they make such large targets of themselves.

That Doogie Howser guy came out of the closet and the whole world sort of shrugged.

[ponderingturtle]

I just know, that 'I' won't be taking my iPod into the toilet ever again...

And if another man touched my foot with his while I was using a pulbic stall, I think I try to piss on it or stick a piece of toilet paper to it by whatever means at hand.

Why? What does some other man wanting to have a sexual relationship with you done enherintly to deserve abuse?

[Phil]

This may be a dumb question, but is the stall/foot/tap/wide stance thing meant to just confirm the desire for some sweet man love and then the two willing tappers depart for other places to get busy, or do they just do it there in the stall?

I mean, I've never had gay sex, but I so enjoy hetero sex, and I really enjoy having it in various locations. But I'd have to say that a public mens room is waaaayyyyy down on the list of places I'd like to do it. And airport mens rooms are extra disgusting. I often hesitate to use them for what they were designed for. I can't linger there longer than is necessary to drain or launch without feeling sick, let alone to satisfy a sexual urge.

Anyway, what's the story? Anyone know?

[JoeEllison]

This may be a dumb question, but is the stall/foot/tap/wide stance thing meant to just confirm the desire for some sweet man love and then the two willing tappers depart for other places to get busy, or do they just do it there in the stall?

I mean, I've never had gay sex, but I so enjoy hetero sex, and I really enjoy having it in various locations. But I'd have to say that a public mens room is waaaayyyyy down on the list of places I'd like to do it. And airport mens rooms are extra disgusting. I often hesitate to use them for what they were designed for. I can't linger there longer than is necessary to drain or launch without feeling sick, let alone to satisfy a sexual urge.

Anyway, what's the story? Anyone know?
From what I gather between fits of giggling about the whole thing(I get my news from Jon Stewart!;)), the assumption is that the sex act is going to occur right there. Otherwise, I don't guess it would be a crime. Gay sex seems to happen in public a lot. My wife almost threw up laughing the other day, over a news report about the gay sex roundup at a local park, including some guy she used to work with, and didn't like.

Someone LITERALLY needs to tell them to get a room!:eye-poppi

[DoubtingStephen]

Perhaps he went in there to meditate about politics.

Isn't that called Transcengenital Meditation?

[hgc]

On this mornings inquisition with Matt Lauer, Matt asked Sen. Wide Stance if he's not gay, perhaps he's bisexual. Craig answered "no to both."

Then Lauer failed to follow up with the truly pertitent question: Have you ever had sexual contact with another man? This is unambiguous. This is what Howard Stern would have asked.

[steverino]

Does anyone here know if he made a doody before the arrest? And if so, did he have time to wipe? Or was he ready to make a doody but the arrest forced him to hold it in? :confused:

[pgwenthold]

Does anyone here know if he made a doody before the arrest? And if so, did he have time to wipe? Or was he ready to make a doody but the arrest forced him to hold it in? :confused:

The cop said he didn't flush when he left. He did not comment on whether he left a floater...

[Michael Redman]

He keeps bringing up the possibility that he was set up. Like "they" knew he was going to go into that bathroom, and used the local cops as political agents? How could he think anyone is going to believe this?

He kept saying he does not "approve of the lifestyle". I think thats different than saying he doesn't enjoy the sex.Good point. I often don't approve of my own lifestyle.

But I do enjoy it.

[Kerberos]

This may be a dumb question, but is the stall/foot/tap/wide stance thing meant to just confirm the desire for some sweet man love and then the two willing tappers depart for other places to get busy, or do they just do it there in the stall?

I mean, I've never had gay sex, but I so enjoy hetero sex, and I really enjoy having it in various locations. But I'd have to say that a public mens room is waaaayyyyy down on the list of places I'd like to do it. And airport mens rooms are extra disgusting. I often hesitate to use them for what they were designed for. I can't linger there longer than is necessary to drain or launch without feeling sick, let alone to satisfy a sexual urge.

I'm reminded of a story my parents told me about a question asked in a medical advice column in a newspaper.

Q: Can you get syphilis in a public bathroom?

A: Yes, but it's not very comfortable.

[davefoc]

Amen, brother...but may I add that this has been very edumacational for me. I have learned more about The Bathroom Habits of the American Male from this Larry Craig incident than I ever knew before.
Yes, Lisa that's just what all of us American males are doing these days. Just the other day all the other American males on my street and I held our American male meeting in the Home Depot bathroom so we could have some great bathroom sex. :)

[corplinx]

Dang it. That's the other thing that irks me.

I wouldn't call it nervousness, but whenever I'm in a public restroom and someone sits down in the stall next to me, I'm now more conscious of what he's doing over there than I ever wanted to be.

Its not even homophobia either. I used to dress in the communal dressing rooms in theatres and it might surprise you but quite a few actors are homosexuals.

People who hookup for anonymous sex in public bathrooms are sickos. Now when someone pulls up beside me, I can't help but glance down to see if his foot is getting too close for comfort to the partition wall. Is it a sicko? A cop? Who knows. When I was in Cozumel a few weeks back, I flew through cancun and they had no nonsense stalls that had tile walls.

Instead of calling the cops, how about the airport just putting in walls?

[JoeTheJuggler]

I really think that if you are going to try and bag a congressman, you need ironclad evidence like his fingerprints on a dildo being waved from the other stall.

Or a guilty plea.

[Upchurch]

Its not even homophobia either.
Well, of course not.

Gay, straight, male, female, Catholic, Muslim, or Hindu, I have absolutely zero interest in being any more aware of anyone's bathroom habits than is strictly necessary for me attend to my own business.

[Charlie Monoxide]

Why don't they make stalls that have the sides go all the way down? I realize that the current design is to facilitate cleaning.

Here in Nevada, most casinos don't have stalls in washrooms that open at the bottom. The reason is that dealers can't pass chips or money to accomplices when they're ripping off their employers ....

Charlie (and ripping me off as well) Monoxide

[boooeee]

I think Senator Craig is a naughty, naughty, boy. Perhaps even a nasty boy.

[dudalb]

God,The Democrats have got to be loving this.

[Bikewer]

I mentioned before in another thread that a researcher at my university had done a study on the "teahouse trade" (as the practice is called) back in the 70s.
The venue was the notorious Forest Park, long a place for such liasons. The researcher documented exactly the same toe-tapping and finger-waving mentioned in Sen. Craig's case.
He was able to interview numbers of men involved in these activities, and found that some 80% identified themselves as "straight". This may, of course, simply be rationalization; the men often referred to just wanting commitment-free sex.
They may ascribe to the notion sometimes expressed as "eatin' aint' cheatin'"...

It also seems to be the case that inmates who indulge in sexual activities with other inmates often do not consider themselves "gay" either.

We know that the continuum of human sexuality is very complex, and that labels such as straight and gay do not lend themselves to easy categorization.

Mind, I think the good Senator is a patent hypocrite.

Oh, and as to the question above; many public restrooms have been altered by the manufacture of an orifice between the stalls known as a "glory hole".....

[ConspiRaider]

God,The Democrats have got to be loving this.
You mean like we loved the Ted Haggard deal? It's close, but I'm not ready to shift my un-wide stance yet. Ted was gold, tough to beat. On the other hand, no jail time for his meth dealing. I'd be doing 15 to 25 for that, but these rich, connected Republican boys get rehabbed or pardoned.

[dudalb]

You mean like we loved the Ted Haggard deal? It's close, but I'm not ready to shift my un-wide stance yet. Ted was gold, tough to beat. On the other hand, no jail time for his meth dealing. I'd be doing 15 to 25 for that, but these rich, connected Republican boys get rehabbed or pardoned.

SOmething tells me that rich connected Democrats would walk also.
Actually Craig staying in office is great for the Democrats.The longer the agony the more embarassing for the GOP. Any legal consequences for Craig are pretty irreveleant to the political hay the Dems can make off of this by just sitting back and letting it play out.