Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel Disses Bush

[shemp]

Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel Disses Bush (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/09/international/middleeast/09CND-MILI.html?ex=1063771200&en=e4e0fc948acbbf34&ei=506 2&partner=GOOGLE)

The criticism by Mr. Levin and other Democrats was not surprising. But some Republicans were beginning to join in it today, with Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska complaining that the administration had done "a miserable job of planning the post-Saddam Iraq."

"They treated many in the Congress, most of the Congress, like a nuisance," Mr. Hagel said in an interview on the CBS "Early Show" this morning. Mr. Hagel is not a member of the Armed Services Committee.

[Crossbow]

I cannot say that I am surprised because the last time Wolfowitz showed up to talk about Iraq (March, 2003) he said that there oil revenue would be enough to finance the costs of reconstruction.

Now, they are finding out something completely different.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

wow, it must be election time or something.

everyone's starting to jump on their party wagons.

shimp !

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
wow, it must be election time or something.

everyone's starting to jump on their party wagons.

shimp !

Ya lost me. How is a Republican griping about Bush a sign of this?

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Sundog


Ya lost me. How is a Republican griping about Bush a sign of this?

Im talking about shimp.

he's suddenly become politically active with his clicker finger.

and he's using the NYTimes as a source. So either he's joking or he doesnt know its a joke.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


Im talking about shimp.

he's suddenly become politically active with his clicker finger.

and he's using the NYTimes as a source. So either he's joking or he doesnt know its a joke.




Oh. But come on now, you know they didn't make this up.

Assuming it's true, what do you think?

[hgc]

Originally posted by Sundog


Oh. But come on now, you know they didn't make this up.

Assuming it's true, what do you think? This thread is about Hagel. NTW wants to talk about Shemp, NYT or anything else. Is it a comprehension problem, or a distate for honest debate?

[Sundog]

Originally posted by hgc
This thread is about Hagel. NTW wants to talk about Shemp, NYT or anything else. Is it a comprehension problem, or a distate for honest debate?

I think he's understandably reluctant to knock a fellow Republican, but this is a case where a binary thinker has a problem - either one person or the other must be evil. I suppose this will simply be proof that Hagel isn't a "loyal Republican".

No offense Nie but you DO tend to think in terms of either/or.

[hgc]

Hagel has been one of my favorite Republican senators, along with Lugar, Snowe, Jeffords (oops, nevermind that one) and Collins. There NTW, that should be ammo enough for you to go after Hagel as an undesirable.

[Tmy]

I have great respect for polticians who question party leadership. They are under no obligation to fall under party lines. Theres a name for people who go along in order to benefit the greater whole. COMMUNISTS!!! Our Congress is filled wh a bunch of commie puppets who do as they are told, even if its somthing they dont believe in. The 2 party system is an affront to democracy.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by hgc
This thread is about Hagel. NTW wants to talk about Shemp, NYT or anything else. Is it a comprehension problem, or a distate for honest debate?

wrong. that's YOUR tactic, not mine.

now........back to the thread please


Oh. But come on now, you know they didn't make this up.



I didnt say they "made it up". The NYTimes is an extreme liberal news source. If you read it with no sense of its thick bias, you're a moron or a con artist.


Assuming it's true, what do you think?



unlike democrats and most "liberals", republicans and conservative usually have the ability to disagree with one another in public instead of running a scripted performance of groupthink.


I think the reformation of Iraq for Iraqis is going to take time, much debate, and more strength against all those who dont want peace and would rather play out their extremist and political fantasies.

he's intitled to say what he wants, but that doesnt mean his perspective isnt flawed.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



unlike democrats and most "liberals", republicans and conservative usually have the ability to disagree with one another in public instead of running a scripted performance of groupthink.


I think the reformation of Iraq for Iraqis is going to take time, much debate, and more strength against all those who dont want peace and would rather play out their extremist and political fantasies.

he's intitled to say what he wants, but that doesnt mean his perspective isnt flawed.

Fair enough.

If you see any sort of unity among the Democrats, though, please alert the media - that will be a first! :D

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by hgc
Hagel has been one of my favorite Republican senators, along with Lugar, Snowe, Jeffords (oops, nevermind that one) and Collins. There NTW, that should be ammo enough for you to go after Hagel as an undesirable.


you deal in terms of groupthink, because youre a lefty and thats what you do.

His criticism can either be used to strengthen the situation and alleviate the problem or it can be devoured by the liberal vultures and repeated ad nausem in the press for their stupid games.

[shemp]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


Im talking about shimp.

he's suddenly become politically active with his clicker finger.

and he's using the NYTimes as a source. So either he's joking or he doesnt know its a joke.




Did you even bother to follow the link and scroll down a bit? Or are you too stupid?

I guess the NY Times isn't a comprehensible source for you. Maybe I can find a children's website that has the report. Something on the kindergarten level perhaps.

The only thing in this thread that's a joke is you.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by shemp


Did you even bother to follow the link and scroll down a bit? Or are you too stupid?

I guess the NY Times isn't a comprehensible source for you. Maybe I can find a children's website that has the report. Something on the kindergarten level perhaps.

The only thing in this thread that's a joke is you.


aww .......... shimp.

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


Im talking about shimp.

he's suddenly become politically active with his clicker finger.

and he's using the NYTimes as a source. So either he's joking or he doesnt know its a joke.



ER, NTW do you have any idea of how Federal Budget Appropriations are done?

If not, I will attempt to give you a brief outline of the process. Note: for those who are familiar with this process then you may want to skip the two below paragraphs and go straight to paragraph six.

Now then, the president (no matter who he is) cannot simply go on TV and say that he wants money for this, that, and the other, then expect to have a check in hand by the end of the next business day.

Instead, the congress has to approve the funds before such a check is written. And since congressional approval is needed, that means that the president has to send his representatives and experts to congress in order to meet with the people who have the power to vote 'yes' or 'no' on the funding issue in order to answer any questions they may have, assuage their concerns, and persuade them to vote in the affirmative.

So, unless the hearings involve classified material (and at present, this one does not) then they are open to the public and everything said there is a public matter (an official transcript will be placed into the record). Thus, it does not really matter which news source is providing the quotes because all of the quotes will contain the exact same data since it all comes from the exact same source.

I hope that is clear now!

[DrChinese]

Originally posted by Crossbow
I cannot say that I am surprised because the last time Wolfowitz showed up to talk about Iraq (March, 2003) he said that there oil revenue would be enough to finance the costs of reconstruction.

Now, they are finding out something completely different.

Oil revenue??? More like "oil theft".

Can you believe that Bush actually sold Congress on taking the oil of the country they conquered and using it to offset the cost of the invasion? And then, they miscalculated the take from their theft and it is still going to cost them big bucks!!!

No, I'm so glad Bush isn't flying by the seat of his pants on Iraq. What a clown! By comparison, NTW is looking better every day!

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Crossbow


ER, NTW do you have any idea of how Federal Budget Appropriations are done?

If not, I will attempt to give you a brief outline of the process. Note: for those who are familiar with this process then you may want to skip the two below paragraphs and go straight to paragraph six.

Now then, the president (no matter who he is) cannot simply go on TV and say that he wants money for this, that, and the other, then expect to have a check in hand by the end of the next business day.

Instead, the congress has to approve the funds before such a check is written. And since congressional approval is needed, that means that the president has to send his representatives and experts to congress in order to meet with the people who have the power to vote 'yes' or 'no' on the funding issue in order to answer any questions they may have, assuage their concerns, and persuade them to vote in the affirmative.

So, unless the hearings involve classified material (and at present, this one does not) then they are open to the public and everything said there is a public matter (an official transcript will be placed into the record). Thus, it does not really matter which news source is providing the quotes because all of the quotes will contain the exact same data since it all comes from the exact same source.

I hope that is clear now!

I may be wrong, but are you not leaving out the detail that he asked the international community for support ?

[shemp]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


I may be wrong, but are you not leaving out the detail that he asked the international community for support ?

Here's some of that "international support":

Brushed Off by the World, Bush Calls India for Help (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2003Sep9.html)

From Asia to Europe to Africa, President Bush's televised appeal Sunday night for international help in rebuilding Iraq drew as much scorn as sympathy in the online media. Only a response in India offers encouragement to an administration scrambling to regain its war footing.

US admits failure in Iraq (http://www.brunei-online.com/bb/mon/sep8w25.htm)

US President George W. Bush was set Sunday to announce a shift on Iraq policy calling in greater UN help as his Defence Secretary admitted the failure to wipe out Saddam loyalists may have sparked the security nightmare.

Hoon commits 1200 troops as Bush plea falls on deaf ears (http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/9-9-19103-0-26-38.html)

THE appeal by George W Bush for more nations to help shoulder the burden and expense of rebuilding Iraq drew an embarrassingly muted response across the globe yesterday.

By the way, NTW, that's Geoff Hoon, not Shannon Hoon.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by shemp


Here's some of that "international support":

Brushed Off by the World, Bush Calls India for Help (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2003Sep9.html)

US admits failure in Iraq (http://www.brunei-online.com/bb/mon/sep8w25.htm)

Hoon commits 1200 troops as Bush plea falls on deaf ears (http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/9-9-19103-0-26-38.html)

By the way, NTW, that's Geoff Hoon, not Shannon Hoon.

just like it was before the war, it seems we only see the negative responses from other countries in the media. It would be interesting to see who is actually supporting us and how. (Poland for example)

[shemp]

Ooh I sure hope Poland is supporting us! They did so well in that last war, the one against, uh, Germany I think it was? How many troops they gonna send, 8, maybe 10?

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by shemp
Ooh I sure hope Poland is supporting us! They did so well in that last war, the one against, uh, Germany I think it was? How many troops they gonna send, 8, maybe 10?

Im supposed to take you seriously now ?

:nope:

[shemp]

Since nobody takes you seriously, I don't see why you should take anybody seriously.

[jj]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



you deal in terms of groupthink, because youre a lefty and thats what you do.

Oh, stop with this lie already, it's getting really old. Anyone who disagrees with you is a "lefty". Yeah, sure. According to you, Barry Goldwater would be a freakin' commie!

Get a grip, man, get a grip.

His criticism can either be used to strengthen the situation and alleviate the problem or it can be devoured by the liberal vultures and repeated ad nausem in the press for their stupid games.

Dear Trinken eine Bierre,

What? How about Jepson's criticisms. Can they also be used to strengthen the situation, or are they only "stupid games"?

I want to see just who is playing "stupid games" and who is actually trying to "strengthen the situation".

I think I know your answer..... but let me put it this way. Let us suppose that each of the following people were to state the same criticism....

Which would be "strengthening the situation" and which would be "playing games" if they said "I'm afraid I have to conclude that we did not have all the information on the table when we should have." (some may not be alive any more, but please classify them accordingly anyhow)

Your choices are:

Jesse Helms
Jesse Jackson
Barry Goldwater
Millicent Fenwick
Ted Kennedy
Al Sharpton
Pat Robertson
Al Gore
Shemp
Jedi Knight

----

Please indicate which of those you would regard as being constructive and which of those you would not regard as being constructive for the example statement given above.

Please do not evade or avoid this question, I think the answers would be enlightening to us all.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by shemp
Since nobody takes you seriously, I don't see why you should take anybody seriously.


a select few take me seriously, because theyve got a bit more upstairs than you and your pals, shimp.


but, ultimately you're right.


why should I care about another gang of conceited + inept goons who type too much ?

exactly, shimp. exactly.

[shemp]

I certainly hope I score better than Jedi Knight.

[shemp]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
a select few take me seriously

This must be them:

[Edited for pornographic image ~ Diezel]

(Edited to say: See the discussion below which completely vindicates me, nyah nyah! ~ Shemp)

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by shemp


This must be them: Dude! Are you nuts?!? That ain't going to fly....

[Nie Trink Wasser]

"I'm afraid I have to conclude that we did not have all the information on the table when we should have."

after that statement is made by anyone on your list, if they arent interested in doing anything more than wasting energy on "I told you it was a bad idea" rhetoric for their own political stature (when a murdering dictatorship is now gone and a begining to rational peace in the region could possibly be achieved) it's a game.

It wasnt a flawless operation, but for what it is, it's an extremely better environment for the world now that one less psycho is out of power in a region such as that.

you pals will just keep debating for the sake of filibuster and votes, caring nothing for the direction of world events. Debate is good if it can correct flaws and defeat the hostile environment there, otherwise it's simply pretentious imho.

be back later......

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by shemp


This must be them:

[Edited for pornographic image ~ Diezel]

you are a complete moron.

[hal bidlack]

This thread has been reported multiple times, and so I have read it. My crack moderator, Diezel, had already removed the nude image.

Such a post is clearly in violation of the rules, and will for the moment be handled privately, as is usual procedure.

[hgc]

Originally posted by hal bidlack
This thread has been reported multiple times, and so I have read it. My crack moderator, Diezel, had already removed the nude image.

Such a post is clearly in violation of the rules, and will for the moment be handled privately, as is usual procedure. Is it safe to come back in here? Oh good.

[shemp]

Originally posted by hal bidlack
This thread has been reported multiple times, and so I have read it. My crack moderator, Diezel, had already removed the nude image.

Such a post is clearly in violation of the rules, and will for the moment be handled privately, as is usual procedure.

I've responded to your PM Hal. I did not intentionally post anything pornographic here. I have looked at the picture in question, and unless I'm missing something, it looks acceptable to me. Am I missing an uncovered naughty bit somewhere?

[Sundog]

Originally posted by hal bidlack
This thread has been reported multiple times, and so I have read it. My crack moderator, Diezel, had already removed the nude image.


Do you have a boob moderator too?

[hgc]

Originally posted by shemp


I've responded to your PM Hal. I did not intentionally post anything pornographic here. I have looked at the picture in question, and unless I'm missing something, it looks acceptable to me. Am I missing an uncovered naughty bit somewhere? You might have a different URL than you thought when you pasted into the IMG tag.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Sundog


Do you have a boob moderator too? If not, I'd like to apply for the job, Hal.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by hgc
You might have a different URL than you thought when you pasted into the IMG tag. Or he's being sarcastic....

[Sundog]

Originally posted by shemp


I've responded to your PM Hal. I did not intentionally post anything pornographic here. I have looked at the picture in question, and unless I'm missing something, it looks acceptable to me. Am I missing an uncovered naughty bit somewhere?

Oops. Never have a browser open at JREF and one at ButtBiters.com at the same time.

[American]

Shemp hates George Bush. We get the point.

[shemp]

The picture I linked to is of four males dressed up as cavemen. I don't see anything in it that I think any normal person would consider pornographic, unless you consider male nipples pornographic. Are some people getting a different picture somehow, maybe through some redirection at the website? Or is there something in the picture I am missing? Maybe I need new glasses.

I have PM'd Hal about this, but no response yet.

[hal bidlack]

The picture Shemp sent me is fine. But his post was immediately reported by several other folks. Perhaps there was a link confusion? I'm working it, for the moment, Shemp, feel free to use the caveman pic, unless I"m missing something too.

hal

[hal bidlack]

The picture Shemp sent me is fine. But his post was immediately reported by several other folks. Perhaps there was a link confusion? I'm working it, for the moment, Shemp, feel free to use the caveman pic, unless I"m missing something too.

hal

this is the pic Shemp sent me. http://www.somethingawful.com/cliff/ihateyou/page-121-01.jpg

[Pyrrho]

If one browses to the home page of the site where yon caveman picture is hosted, one sees a picture of completely different quality, although the subject is semi-wearing a furred skin of some sort. One also sees a page full of socially questionably words. Now I must go wash out my eyes with Listerine.

:eek:

Moral of this story: preview your posts. :D

Shemp: why you numbskull!

http://kidshow.dcboomer.com/StoogesBull_230.jpg

[hal bidlack]

My brief and rather embarrassing research on that site suggests to me that a single keystroke or two could cause the link to go from a funny group of cavemen to, well, something less tied to the topic at hand.

Therefore, I am going to assume good motives all around, and that it was just a kind of funny typo mistake.

no harm, no foul.

thus speaketh hal, uooot hheee heee hee.

[a_unique_person]

I still think he should be banned, because I didn't get to see the picture.

As for NTW, I take back what I said to Shemp. You should be changing your name to JoeBesser instead.

You have argued about everything but the fact that Republicans are upset about the mess that has been created, or rather, assimilated.

As for the 'coalition of the willing', it hasn't been renamed the 'coalition of the billing' for no reason. Quite a few small nations have made a tidy sum for doing no more than signing their signatures and doing absolutely nothing else.

[Ian Osborne]

Originally posted by hal bidlack
My brief and rather embarrassing research on that site suggests to me that a single keystroke or two could cause the link to go from a funny group of cavemen to, well, something less tied to the topic at hand.

Therefore, I am going to assume good motives all around, and that it was just a kind of funny typo mistake.

Could it be that linking directly to the picture itself activates a booby-trap designed to stop people using the site's bandwidth, and replacing the picture you linked to with something altogether less acceptable?

This has happened before. A forum member tried to link to a perfectly innocent movie-poster spoof, but when his post hit the forum, it contained a vulgar piece of pornography emblazond with a comment about bandwidth-stealing instead. I PMed him to let him know and he removed it straight away, so the moderators might not be aware this happened.

[shemp]

Yeah, I think I see what happened. Maybe some people got redirected to the pic on the main page, which is definitely inappropriate. (Though it does look like NTW's dad.) If I had copied and downloaded the pic, it would have worked fine.

[shemp]

Originally posted by Pyrrho
If one browses to the home page of the site where yon caveman picture is hosted, one sees a picture of completely different quality, although the subject is semi-wearing a furred skin of some sort. One also sees a page full of socially questionably words. Now I must go wash out my eyes with Listerine.

:eek:

Moral of this story: preview your posts. :D

Shemp: why you numbskull!

http://kidshow.dcboomer.com/StoogesBull_230.jpg

I DID PREVIEW MY POST, KNUCKLEHEAD! I saw the pic of four guys playing caveman. I'm not technically savvy enough to know why, maybe the browser I was using, or the fact that the pic was already in my cache?

[shemp]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
I still think he should be banned, because I didn't get to see the picture.

As for NTW, I take back what I said to Shemp. You should be changing your name to JoeBesser instead.

You have argued about everything but the fact that Republicans are upset about the mess that has been created, or rather, assimilated.

As for the 'coalition of the willing', it hasn't been renamed the 'coalition of the billing' for no reason. Quite a few small nations have made a tidy sum for doing no more than signing their signatures and doing absolutely nothing else.

How dare you try to get this thread back on topic?!

[shemp]

Originally posted by hal bidlack
My brief and rather embarrassing research on that site suggests to me that a single keystroke or two could cause the link to go from a funny group of cavemen to, well, something less tied to the topic at hand.

Therefore, I am going to assume good motives all around, and that it was just a kind of funny typo mistake.

no harm, no foul.

thus speaketh hal, uooot hheee heee hee.

See, this proves that monarchy works! Three cheers for Prince Hal! Down with the republic!

[shemp]

I must admit one thing though? What is that thing hanging down between the legs of the guy on the right? I hope it's not what some with dirty minds might think it is.

[Mr Manifesto]

To me, it looks like one of those cheap garden rakes with the plastic heads. One has to wonder where it's actually going...

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by shemp
The picture I linked to is of four males dressed up as cavemen. I don't see anything in it that I think any normal person would consider pornographic, unless you consider male nipples pornographic. Are some people getting a different picture somehow, maybe through some redirection at the website? Or is there something in the picture I am missing? Maybe I need new glasses.

I have PM'd Hal about this, but no response yet.


this is just another example of what lying slimeballs you goons are.

if you're going to post pictures of from your transexual collection on the forum, shimp, make sure that you can stand by your decision to post such material. Not all of us get excited about pictures of c**ks in drag as you do.

as usualy you can bullsh** about the stupid caveman picture as if that was what you originally posted. Upchurch saw it and yet I'm sure he'll simply "forget" what he saw in order to satisfy the clique.


this is also another great example of how the clique here can get away with anything.

[Cleon]

Originally posted by shemp
The picture I linked to is of four males dressed up as cavemen. I don't see anything in it that I think any normal person would consider pornographic, unless you consider male nipples pornographic. Are some people getting a different picture somehow, maybe through some redirection at the website? Or is there something in the picture I am missing? Maybe I need new glasses.

I have PM'd Hal about this, but no response yet.

Some webmasters, when they discover that a link has been posted directly to an image on their site, will replace the image filename with something crude. Usually they just draw up an image of text saying "THIS LAME M-FER IS TOO LAZY TO USE HIS OWN IMAGES" or something like that, but replacing it with porn (or, worse, something from rotten.com) isn't difficult. You may well have posted the correct link, but what the link pointed to changed.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



this is just another example of what lying slimeballs you goons are.

if you're going to post pictures of from your transexual collection on the forum, shimp, make sure that you can stand by your decision to post such material. Not all of us get excited about pictures of c**ks in drag as you do.

as usualy you can bullsh** about the stupid caveman picture as if that was what you originally posted. Upchurch saw it and yet I'm sure he'll simply "forget" what he saw in order to satisfy the clique.


this is also another great example of how the clique here can get away with anything.

That's right, Nie, and the clique will continue to get away with whatever we want. You can't win. We will cheat and lie to make you look like a fool at every available opportunity. In fact, we're all on a buddy list, and we regularly PM each other with the heading 'what can we do to Trinky today?'

In short: it's hopeless. You may as well find another forum.

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


I may be wrong, but are you not leaving out the detail that he asked the international community for support ?

Wow, how amazingly amazing! NTW actually admitted to the possibility of making an error.

I wonder if a young girl from Kansas named Dorthy dropped a house on him?

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by shemp
What is that thing hanging down between the legs of the guy on the right? Looks like a green garden hose stuck into the ground and maybe there is more of it going across the bottom right corner of the pic, too.

If it were actually what some dirty minds might think it was, the guy on the right has some crazy infection going on.

[hal bidlack]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



this is just another example of what lying slimeballs you goons are.

if you're going to post pictures of from your transexual collection on the forum, shimp, make sure that you can stand by your decision to post such material. Not all of us get excited about pictures of c**ks in drag as you do.

as usualy you can bullsh** about the stupid caveman picture as if that was what you originally posted. Upchurch saw it and yet I'm sure he'll simply "forget" what he saw in order to satisfy the clique.


this is also another great example of how the clique here can get away with anything.

NTW,

Please post a list of those individuals who have gotten away with rules violations due to my favoratism. Please indicate the act that was a violation, and that in similar situations I acted against those who are not my favorites. This will be a tad difficult for you, as much of what I do I do privately, but as you are so strong in your statement, I ask that you back it with evidence.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
as usualy you can bullsh** about the stupid caveman picture as if that was what you originally posted. Upchurch saw it and yet I'm sure he'll simply "forget" what he saw in order to satisfy the clique.

this is also another great example of how the clique here can get away with anything. The pic has been removed and Hal declared no harm, no foul. That's good enough for me.

I'm guessing that you're defining "clique" as anyone who finds you to be a boorish moron? :rolleyes:

Anyway, before you go on a rampage how "The System is keepin' you down"(tm), may I point out that a great many contrarians, like yourself, post here all the time and aren't repromanded or banned. You have pretty much free rain to post whatever garbage you choose (as you've shown) within certain guidlines of school kid level appropriateness. Shemp, while he is no less inflamitory, has never, to my knowledge, crossed that line before. Hal investigated and decided that it was, indeed, possible that it was an honest mistake.

As much as you would like it to be, this has nothing to do with you, NTW. And, unfortunately, no one is out to get you because your opinions differ from many on this board. Get over yourself.

[shemp]

Originally posted by the paranoid liar Ich Trink Urine



this is just another example of what lying slimeballs you goons are.

if you're going to post pictures of from your transexual collection on the forum, shimp, make sure that you can stand by your decision to post such material. Not all of us get excited about pictures of c**ks in drag as you do.

as usualy you can bullsh** about the stupid caveman picture as if that was what you originally posted. Upchurch saw it and yet I'm sure he'll simply "forget" what he saw in order to satisfy the clique.


this is also another great example of how the clique here can get away with anything.

Unfortunately, you are unable to distingush an honest mistake from your paranoid fantasies that everyone is deranged and against you. Perhaps some medication and daily coffee enemas would help? Pull yourself away from your mommy's breast long enough to seek help.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by shemp


Unfortunately, you are unable to distingush an honest mistake from your paranoid fantasies that everyone is deranged and against you. Perhaps some medication and daily coffee enemas would help? Pull yourself away from your mommy's breast long enough to seek help.

At the risk of once again calling down the wrath of God upon myself, I will point out once more that it is almost exclusively people on the far right that flip out like this.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by shemp
Originally posted by the paranoid liar Ich Trink Urine



this is just another example of what lying slimeballs you goons are.

if you're going to post pictures of from your transexual collection on the forum, shimp, make sure that you can stand by your decision to post such material. Not all of us get excited about pictures of c**ks in drag as you do.

as usualy you can bullsh** about the stupid caveman picture as if that was what you originally posted. Upchurch saw it and yet I'm sure he'll simply "forget" what he saw in order to satisfy the clique.


this is also another great example of how the clique here can get away with anything.

Unfortunately, you are unable to distingush an honest mistake from your paranoid fantasies that everyone is deranged and against you. Perhaps some medication and daily coffee enemas would help? Pull yourself away from your mommy's breast long enough to seek help.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Looks like you're going to be Clique President for another term...

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by hal bidlack


NTW,

Please post a list of those individuals who have gotten away with rules violations due to my favoratism. Please indicate the act that was a violation, and that in similar situations I acted against those who are not my favorites. This will be a tad difficult for you, as much of what I do I do privately, but as you are so strong in your statement, I ask that you back it with evidence.


Shemp posted a pic of a transvestite with it's c**k hanging out.

Upchurch saw it and so did others here. Somehow Shimp pretends not to see what everyone else saw and it's okay.

I'm not saying that you support the clique here Hal, I'm saying that the clique gangs up on anyone here that says what they don't like and in this case committed a major violation of the forum rules. This is the same clique that moans about kicking me off the forum for my ideas, yet can post pics of naked transvestites and it's no big deal.

supposedly Shimp wanted to post a picture of cavemen. Right. Sure. I'm more inclined to believe that he wanted to offend and then cover his arse.

in any case, I just want to state my opinion.

nothing to see here.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by shemp


Unfortunately, you are unable to distingush an honest mistake from your paranoid fantasies that everyone is deranged and against you. Perhaps some medication and daily coffee enemas would help? Pull yourself away from your mommy's breast long enough to seek help.


I dont think everyone here is against me, you just keep saying that. I honesty think you knew exactly what you were posting and then covered your arse.

there is a clique here, it's obvious, but if I was so "paranoid" about it then I would just leave. I'm just aware of all the bashing I get for even posting simple threads here. ANY post I make immediately gets 1 star regardless of its content....it's highschool again.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



Shemp posted a pic of a transvestite with it's c**k hanging out.

Upchurch saw it and so did others here. Somehow Shimp pretends not to see what everyone else saw and it's okay.

I'm not saying that you support the clique here Hal, I'm saying that the clique gangs up on anyone here that says what they don't like and in this case committed a major violation of the forum rules. This is the same clique that moans about kicking me off the forum for my ideas, yet can post pics of naked transvestites and it's no big deal.

supposedly Shimp wanted to post a picture of cavemen. Right. Sure. I'm more inclined to believe that he wanted to offend and then cover his arse.

in any case, I just want to state my opinion.

nothing to see here.

Once again, your little brain is getting confused. No one wants you to be kicked off the forum. We want you to leave.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


Once again, your little brain is getting confused. No one wants you to be kicked off the forum. We want you to leave.


you have a selective memory, dupe.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



I dont think everyone here is against me, you just keep saying that. I honesty think you knew exactly what you were posting and then covered your arse.

there is a clique here, it's obvious, but if I was so "paranoid" about it then I would just leave. I'm just aware of all the bashing I get for even posting simple threads here. ANY post I make immediately gets 1 star regardless of its content....it's highschool again.

You got bashed in high school, too? Well, at least you don't get your mommy asking you where your school bag is while you nurse your bruises online.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


You got bashed in high school, too? Well, at least you don't get your mommy asking you where your school bag is while you nurse your bruises online.

I did the bashing in highschool and Im now a "reformed cool guy" who knows clique tactics when I see them. Shouldn't you be off somewhere in a padded room babbling to yourself about the government ? You must be on break at the ward.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
Shemp posted a pic of a transvestite with it's c**k hanging out.

Upchurch saw it and so did others here. Somehow Shimp pretends not to see what everyone else saw and it's okay.Have you choosen to ignore the explination that Hal and others have given for why that occured?

Incidently, that's one instance of possible favoritism, or in you words how "the clique" "always gets away with everything". Any others?
This is the same clique that moans about kicking me off the forum for my ideasIncidently, I don't think anyone wants you banned, per se, and certainly not for your ideas. I, and others I'm sure, would like to see you leave because you're a jerk. Totally different thing from banning you because of your opinions.
nothing to see here. Truly.

[hal bidlack]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



Shemp posted a pic of a transvestite with it's c**k hanging out.

Upchurch saw it and so did others here. Somehow Shimp pretends not to see what everyone else saw and it's okay.

I'm not saying that you support the clique here Hal, I'm saying that the clique gangs up on anyone here that says what they don't like and in this case committed a major violation of the forum rules. This is the same clique that moans about kicking me off the forum for my ideas, yet can post pics of naked transvestites and it's no big deal.

supposedly Shimp wanted to post a picture of cavemen. Right. Sure. I'm more inclined to believe that he wanted to offend and then cover his arse.

in any case, I just want to state my opinion.

nothing to see here.

And the picture was immediately *removed* and I sent shemp a formal warning, demanding an explanation. I even went so far as to check my log of who I have warned, to see if this was a second warning, or possibly a suspension issue. It was quickly apparent that it was just a mistake.

If this is your example, if this is your 'list' of my playing favorites, I ask that you withdraw your charge above. If not, provide the evidence.

[Sundog]

Shemp's in the secret clique? Who the hell let that happen?

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


I did the bashing in highschool and Im now a "reformed cool guy" who knows clique tactics when I see them. Shouldn't you be off somewhere in a padded room babbling to yourself about the government ? You must be on break at the ward.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I love seeing people big-note themselves online.

[hgc]

This thread started out about Hagel and Bush, and somehow it got to be all about how everyone hates Nie. Do you see the problem here, Nie? You're just like Lord Kenneth; if it's not about you, then it's not worth discussing. At least he's just a little kid. What's your excuse?

[Crossbow]

Wow! Nobody sent the memo about the 'Secret Shemp Clique'! Gee whiz, why do I always have to find out about these things in this way?

Oh well, maybe it is time that I doubled the membership rolls in the 'Double Secret Crossbow Clique' by adding one more member in order to find out these sorts of things sooner.

:p

[hal bidlack]

Even though Shemp was totally innocent in this situation, I think it's important that we continue to attack him and treat him poorly. He is, after all, he who would replace Curly.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by hgc
This thread started out about Hagel and Bush, and somehow it got to be all about how everyone hates Nie. Do you see the problem here, Nie? You're just like Lord Kenneth; if it's not about you, then it's not worth discussing. At least he's just a little kid. What's your excuse?

once again you're blaming me for you talking about me all the time.



I love seeing people big-note themselves online.


me admitting that I didn't like some of my attitude in highschool is "big-noting" ?


If this is your example, if this is your 'list' of my playing favorites, I ask that you withdraw your charge above. If not, provide the evidence.



I didnt call you out Hal. I was refering to the clique, not any favortism on your part. I was concerned about shimp getting away with a lie within the clique, not about your involvement.

Im done with the topic.

[Ian Osborne]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
Shemp posted a pic of a transvestite with it's c**k hanging out.

supposedly Shimp wanted to post a picture of cavemen. Right. Sure. I'm more inclined to believe that he wanted to offend and then cover his arse.

The picture I mentioned earlier, which was DEFINITELY substituded for the legitimate pic by the webmaster of the site that hosted it, was also of a semi-naked transvestite. Sounds to me like exactly the same picture was used in exactly the same circumstances. Is that so difficult to believe?

[shemp]

OK, let's go back to the start of this brouhaha:

Originally posted by shemp


This must be them:

[[b]Edited for pornographic image ~ Diezel]

Note the word "them". FYI, NTW, the word "them" refers to people in plural. Not one person, people.

So it should be clear to any normal person (which excludes you) that the picture that follows would have more than one person in it.

The picture to which the webmaster (that dink!) redirect you showed ONE person. Which supports my contention that I didn't intentionally post the pornographic picture.

As for "cliques," I need no others. I am a clique of one.

[shemp]

Originally posted by hal bidlack


And the picture was immediately *removed* and I sent shemp a formal warning, demanding an explanation. I even went so far as to check my log of who I have warned, to see if this was a second warning, or possibly a suspension issue. It was quickly apparent that it was just a mistake.

If this is your example, if this is your 'list' of my playing favorites, I ask that you withdraw your charge above. If not, provide the evidence.

Yeah NTW, my paw's gonna beat you real bad! You gonna wish you never stole our cattle!

[shemp]

Originally posted by hal bidlack
Even though Shemp was totally innocent in this situation, I think it's important that we continue to attack him and treat him poorly. He is, after all, he who would replace Curly.

If people didn't attack me and treat me poorly, I'd have no reason to live!

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by shemp
OK, let's go back to the start of this brouhaha:



Note the word "them". FYI, NTW, the word "them" refers to people in plural. Not one person, people.

So it should be clear to any normal person (which excludes you) that the picture that follows would have more than one person in it.

The picture to which the webmaster (that dink!) redirect you showed ONE person. Which supports my contention that I didn't intentionally post the pornographic picture.

As for "cliques," I need no others. I am a clique of one.


them could have also referred to transvestites and the circle of internet porn transvestites that you are intimate with, shimp.

[shemp]

NTW returns to beat the dead horse some more.

[hgc]

Originally posted by shemp
NTW returns to beat the dead horse some more. Hey Nie, want to talk about Hagel's criticism of administration policy? Or is that above your head?

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by hgc
Hey Nie, want to talk about Hagel's criticism of administration policy? Or is that above your head?

we WERE talking about that until shimp posted naked transvestite c**k in the forum out of frustration.

you're consistently an idiot who tries to project his idiocy onto others... its true.

[hgc]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


we WERE talking about that until shimp posted naked transvestite c**k in the forum out of frustration.

you're consistently an idiot who tries to project his idiocy onto others... its true. Yep, sure. Want to talk about Hagel now?