seven CIA vets challenge 9/11 report

[geggy]

http://www.bostonnow.com/blogs/pitbullpimple/2007/10/23/seven-cia-veterans-challenge-9/11-commission-report

[DGM]

http://www.bostonnow.com/blogs/pitbullpimple/2007/10/23/seven-cia-veterans-challenge-9/11-commission-report
And??????????

[quixotecoyote]

If dozens of people with no evidence haven't worked, surely 7 more with no evidence will help!

[BenBurch]

So?

Opinions are like rectums; Everybody has one...

[Drudgewire]

Wow, this is HUGE news that will blow the lid off the cover-up. We certainly weren't prepared for such a...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=94127&highlight=Raymond+McGovern


Never mind. http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/redface.gif

[Blender Head]

Could this all be disinfo meant to take the heat off the CIA for all their blunders of the past 50 years?

[Alareth]

And the counter goes to 387

[pomeroo]

For over six years, the CIA has undermined Bush at every turn and yet the loons imagine that the agency helped orchestrate an unprecedented crime for him.

It similar to the way the nuts refer to the "BBC hit piece" (on 9/11 conspiracy theories). Yeah, the most virulently anti-Bush news outlet in the West is part of the cover-up.

[geggy]

dang i knew i should have posted this in political forum...

[Drudgewire]

dang i knew i should have posted this in political forum...
No you posted it in the right one. After all, the thread we had about it a month ago was in this section. :p

[NYCEMT86]

Watching the twoofers come up with evidence is like watching a semi-retarded blind dog trying to catch its own tail, amusing at first but really just sad in the end.


Now if TAM will do the honors in declaring this non-sense dead...we may continue with swimming in our NWO Money :D

[dudalb]

I love the way the Twoofers keep posting the same old crap time and time again and act each time like they are breaking the news that will rip the conspiracy wide open.

[HL7442]

The tinfoilers keep coming out with "whistleblowers" who hardly deserve that title. The articles are no more than opinion pieces from the insane left.

[beachnut]

Why are they unable to come up with facts to go alone with their BS. You know it is BS when the intro title has "Google Operation North woods". Research at it's best for the truther nation.

[OldTigerCub]

Different troother. Same old story. Apparently history is not the strongest research topic once again.
(Pitbullpimple? I'm sorry...I just had to chuckle at the handle :p)

[Pardalis]

:run:

[cludgie]

It similar to the way the nuts refer to the "BBC hit piece" (on 9/11 conspiracy theories). Yeah, the most virulently anti-Bush news outlet in the West is part of the cover-up.

Hey, that was payback for the NWO giving the BBC the wrong scheduled time for when they were blowing up WTC7 ;)

[BenBurch]

Hey, that was payback for the NWO giving the BBC the wrong scheduled time for when they were blowing up WTC7 ;)

My fault. Sorry. I was using my cellphone as a clock and the cellphones got messed up that day in NYC.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Different troother. Same old story. Apparently history is not the strongest research topic once again.
(Pitbullpimple? I'm sorry...I just had to chuckle at the handle :p)
This has been geggy's M.O. for a long time. It's not even thread gulling. It's more like thread athlete's foot; it's annoying, you think it's gone away and then comes back, doesn't produce anything useful, etc.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

My fault. Sorry. I was using my cellphone as a clock and the cellphones got messed up that day in NYC.
Hello?! Pocketwatch?! You know EMP waves take out electronics. pfft :D

[T.A.M.]

Geggy:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_070922_seven_cia_veterans_c.htm

September 23rd....have you been asleep for a month...old boring news...

This thread has no breath sounds, no heart beat, and its pupils are fixed and dilated...Time Of Death is 8PM EST.

TAM;)

[Thunder]

The Bush administration will not allow a 2nd investigation. This is because what will turn up is links between Saudi and Pakistani governmant officials and maybe even the Mossad.

It is not beyond comprehension that authoritarian states and religous dictatorships would allow 9-11 to happen. The Taliban was bad for Pakistan...no more Taliban. Saddam was bad for Saudi Arabia...no more Saddam. Muslem terrorists are bad for Israel..and now the last empire has declared war against them.

Lots of people profited from 9-11.

[JamesB]

The Taliban was bad for Pakistan...no more Taliban.
....
Lots of people profited from 9-11.

How do you figure that? The Taliban were largely founded by Pakistan because they wanted Afghanistan to be ruled by Pashtun. 9/11 was hardly a benefit to the Pakistani government, Musharaff had to make the choice whether to support the US, and tick off the fundamentalists even more (they have tried to kill him several times as a result) or refused, and risk having us take some sort of action against him. Now they have this huge juggling act where the Taliban are running across the border into Afghanistan and US SpecOps is running the other way against the Taliban, and they have to pretend neither is happening. Hardly a way to promote a stable government.

[Gravy]

388, geggy.

Go away and stay away, you absurd dumper of links.

[dudalb]

The Bush administration will not allow a 2nd investigation. This is because what will turn up is links between Saudi and Pakistani governmant officials and maybe even the Mossad.

It is not beyond comprehension that authoritarian states and religous dictatorships would allow 9-11 to happen. The Taliban was bad for Pakistan...no more Taliban. Saddam was bad for Saudi Arabia...no more Saddam. Muslem terrorists are bad for Israel..and now the last empire has declared war against them.

Lots of people profited from 9-11.

Parky76 is hereby declared a borderline woo case.
Incredible how everybody but Osama has moral blame for 9/11 in Parky's world.

[T.A.M.]

I think Parky blames Osama as well.

TAM:)

[speakthetruth]

I love how debunkers have just as new and updating rants about debunks and rant and rave how the truffers get all excited about posting old info. Just like non trooferz;

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home

[Pardalis]

That makes no sense. sorry.

[Slayhamlet]

Why do so many Twoofers with such pretentious names as speakthetruth or trutherseeker1234 always do the exact opposite of what their usernames signify? This guy can't even make a coherent sentence, for example.

[Drudgewire]

I love how debunkers have just as new and updating rants about debunks and rant and rave how the truffers get all excited about posting old info. Just like non trooferz;

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home
That's because you can't produce any actual new info for us to debunk. :p

[RedIbis]

Why do so many Twoofers with such pretentious names as speakthetruth or trutherseeker1234 always do the exact opposite of what their usernames signify? This guy can't even make a coherent sentence, for example.

Are you Laertes?

[dudalb]

I think Parky blames Osama as well.

TAM:)

Yeah,but at times Parky seems to be making excuses for Osama's actions.

[Totovader]

I love how debunkers have just as new and updating rants about debunks and rant and rave how the truffers get all excited about posting old info. Just like non trooferz;

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home

I didn't understand half of this, but are you saying "you're no better than us"?

How does that help your case?

[Thunder]

You're not thinking four dimensionally here. Osama, the ISI, Saudi intelligence, the Mossad, 9-11 could have been a conglomerate of conspiracies. Let us not forget that part of the 9-11 Commission was kept secret because it embarrased a key Middle East ally. I think that ally was Saudi Arabia.

[CHF]

I largely agree, parky.

- 15 of 19 hijackers were Saudis
- Bin Laden is Saudi
- Wahhabi Islam is the state religion of Saudi Arabia
- radical mosques around the world are sponsored by the Saudis
- parts of the 9/11 commission report were blacked out because they embarrassed the Saudis

America was attacked by Saudi radicals, and is at war with a Saudi-backed ideology, yet Bush decides to overthrow a secular tyrant in Iraq in order to "prevent another 9/11."

But let's talk about demolitions, thermite, laser beams, voice-morphing and missiles instead, right twoofers?

[BenBurch]

CHF - Right on.

[RedIbis]

- parts of the 9/11 commission report were blacked out because they embarrassed the Saudis



Isn't this what is referred to around here as "woo woo"?

[T.A.M.]

Isn't this what is referred to around here as "woo woo"?

No that is referred to as an honest, realistic, logical look at the facts, and coming to a rational conclusion.

TAM;)

[RedIbis]

No that is referred to as an honest, realistic, logical look at the facts, and coming to a rational conclusion.

TAM;)

Would that not then be a conspiracy to censor the facts surrounding Saudi Arabia's involvement?

And this also begs the question, "why?" If true, why would the US gov't want to cover up for the Saudis? I thought the Commission gave us the fullest possible account.

[Mr. Skinny]

Isn't this what is referred to around here as "woo woo"?
I wasn't ready to label it "woo woo", but when I read that I did think to myself "How can you draw that conclusion (or any conclusion) from blacked out text?

No that is referred to as an honest, realistic, logical look at the facts, and coming to a rational conclusion.


You and CHF must have studied this issue far more than RedIbis and me.

Either of you care to educate us?

[CHF]

There's nothing "woo" about the West's relationship with Saudi Arabia. It's simply geopolitics at its very worst.

The Saudis keep the oil flowing so we look the other way as they pump millions of dollars into Islamic "schools" across Europe and America.

It's also a case of choosing the lesser of two evils. The Saudi government is hated by bin Laden and his ilk (for being too corrupt and close to the west) and cracks down hard on the Al Qaeda elements in the Kingdom. But at the same time the regime tries to placate the radicals (and the Islamic world in general) by sending money and imams to Islamic schools and mosques around the globe. The Saudi regime is basically playing both sides in an effort to stay in power and we appear to be cool with that.

So while Bush holds hands with the leaders of the biggest jihadi factory in the world, Americans are busy re-naming French fries as they invade Iraq.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

[T.A.M.]

Would that not then be a conspiracy to censor the facts surrounding Saudi Arabia's involvement?

And this also begs the question, "why?" If true, why would the US gov't want to cover up for the Saudis? I thought the Commission gave us the fullest possible account.

Well, now that I look at it, I would say that his last statement, an opinion, might be close to a CT...the rest was a statement of facts....lol

TAM:)

[RedIbis]

Well, now that I look at it, I would say that his last statement, an opinion, might be close to a CT...the rest was a statement of facts....lol

TAM:)

Not every conspiracy is a theory. It's actually a crime that people are convicted of all the time.

[CHF]

I've heard that the blacked-out parts of the 911 report concern the Saudis and it isn't hard to guess at what that probably includes given what the Saudis are known to do for the cause of radical Islam.

Yeah, I suppose I shouldn't have stated it as fact. My bad. :o It's just that I just get really pissed whenever the topic of Saudi Arabia comes up.

[Mr. Skinny]

There's nothing "woo" about the West's relationship with Saudi Arabia. It's simply geopolitics at its very worst.

The Saudis keep the oil flowing so we look the other way as they pump millions of dollars into Islamic "schools" across Europe and America.

It's also a case of choosing the lesser of two evils. The Saudi government is hated by bin Laden and his ilk (for being too corrupt and close to the west) and cracks down hard on the Al Qaeda elements in the Kingdom. But at the same time the regime tries to placate the radicals (and the Islamic world in general) by sending money and imams to Islamic schools and mosques around the globe. The Saudi regime is basically playing both sides in an effort to stay in power and we appear to be cool with that.

So while Bush holds hands with the leaders of the biggest jihadi factory in the world, Americans are busy re-naming French fries as they invade Iraq.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
I was only commenting on how you drew a conclusion based on your comment (bullet item) "parts of the 9/11 commission report were blacked out because they embarrassed the Saudis"

And then ask how you can draw a conclusion based on "blacked out" information, unless you are reading into it what you think it says based on circumstantial evidence.

Let's not get this moved to the "Politics" subform, CHF. :)

[Mr. Skinny]

I've heard that the blacked-out parts of the 911 report concern the Saudis and it isn't hard to guess at what that probably includes given what the Saudis are known to do for the cause of radical Islam.

Yeah, I suppose I shouldn't have stated it as fact. My bad. :o It's just that I just get really pissed whenever the topic of Saudi Arabia comes up.
OK. Saw this just after I posted.

I'll take that as a retraction.

[BenBurch]

I've not seen the blacked out parts myself, but some redactions are so limited as to allow some context to be determined.

[Childlike Empress]

Well, now that I look at it, I would say that his last statement, an opinion, might be close to a CT...the rest was a statement of facts....lol

TAM:)


Which one? This?

But let's talk about demolitions, thermite, laser beams, voice-morphing and missiles instead, right twoofers?


I agree, sounds like he thinks some "twoofers" conspire to make him talk about these things. Maybe this would be more realistic:

But let's talk about demolitions, thermite, laser beams, voice-morphing and missiles instead, right d'uh bunkers?


Kidding aside, let me humbly quote (again) something from the wikipedia-article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission) on the 9-11 Commision:

Claims of bias within the commission

[...] Thomas Kean has a history of investments that link him to Saudi Arabian investors who have financially supported both George W. Bush and Osama bin Laden in the past. One example is his former business connections to Khalid bin Mahfouz, an alleged terrorist financier.


Concerning the 28 blacked out pages from the congressional investigation (not the 9-11 Commission report) - read this (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/30/world/main565782.shtml).

[dudalb]

I've heard that the blacked-out parts of the 911 report concern the Saudis and it isn't hard to guess at what that probably includes given what the Saudis are known to do for the cause of radical Islam.

Yeah, I suppose I shouldn't have stated it as fact. My bad. :o It's just that I just get really pissed whenever the topic of Saudi Arabia comes up.

With friends like the Saudi's, the US does not need any enemies.
I can justify some dealing with the Saudis on the basis of "well,what replaces them will probably be worse and more dangerous for the US" but let's stop pretending like they are our noble Allies.

[T.A.M.]

CLE:


15 of 19 hijackers were Saudis
- Bin Laden is Saudi
- Wahhabi Islam is the state religion of Saudi Arabia
- radical mosques around the world are sponsored by the Saudis

Is what I was referring to.

TAM:)

[Corsair 115]

Not every conspiracy is a theory. It's actually a crime that people are convicted of all the time.It's a conspiracy theory until there is sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a conspiracy actually took place, at which point it ceases to be a theory and becomes fact.

When there is little or no evidence to support assertions of a conspiracy, it remains a conspiracy theory.

[CptColumbo]

Another post and run from geggy?

[timhau]

Why do so many Twoofers with such pretentious names as speakthetruth or trutherseeker1234 always do the exact opposite of what their usernames signify?

I think it's a law of nature. It's basically the same thing as you have with countries with the word "Democratic" in their official name.