Awww ...

[Alareth]

The "Truth" now has another martyr, sacrificed to the evil JREF moderators.

Please take a moment of silence for the newly departed ZENSMACK89 (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=3083046#post3083046).

[Pardalis]

That seems about right.

[RedIbis]

I have to say I'm not surprised.There's only a few of us here who take this very unpopular position, which makes it all the more necessary to proceed with civility and accuracy.

[Calcas]

I have to say I'm not surprised.There's only a few of us here who take this very unpopular position, which makes it all the more necessary to proceed with civility and accuracy.

Well, if one can't post civilly, it's nobody's fault but their own.

Even lcf has become reasonable in that regard since there are at least a half dozen of us over there.

I'll give a minor kudos to their mods for that.

[RedIbis]

Well, if one can't post civilly, it's nobody's fault but their own.

Even lcf has become reasonable in that regard since there are at least a half dozen of us over there.

I'll give a minor kudos to their mods for that.

That would be one extremely boring forum if they didn't allow dissenting opinions, as would this one.

I was hoping they wouldn't ban Gravy. He put out a peace offering. That's admirable in my view.

[Drudgewire]

Godspeed Zen... you magnificently loony bastard. http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/patriot.gif

[Quad4_72]

BY ZEN. Its good to know that he is in a better place...FANTASY LAND.

[BenBurch]

Abusive PM to mod team? You gotta figure on some sort of ass kicking after that, don't you?

[beachnut]

That would be one extremely boring forum if they didn't allow dissenting opinions, as would this one.

I was hoping they wouldn't ban Gravy. He put out a peace offering. That's admirable in my view.
Now all you need are some dissenting facts and evidence to support your unsubstantiated dissenting opinions.

Poor Zen had no facts and evidence to support his idea on 9/11, just like you. It is hard being wrong all the time and can lead to outburst that may get you banned. So far the 9/11 truth movement has only proven their title is ironic.

What is really boring; people who repeat the same unsubstantiated dissenting opinions over and over. It is interesting to see the different fantasies the 9/11 truth movement generates and how people blindly repeat them. Sad to see people think an opinion actually is more credible than facts and evidence.

Zen's frustration must have been spurred by his lack of any real evidence to support his position. It would be refreshing to see people admit, as you do, you only have opinions not based on fact, evidence, reason, logic, or rational thought. You seem to have a good handle on the fact you only have opinions base on hearsay; you are well grounded in those opinions and you have not let the overwhelming evidence against your opinions bother your false and logically flawed opinions. Brovo. Good job.

[Mobyseven]

Abusive PM to mod team? You gotta figure on some sort of ass kicking after that, don't you?

Suicide by mod is the 'official' term.

[LashL]

Suicide by mod is the 'official' term.

Indeed.

The same old m.o. as has been exhibited by other suicides by mod in the past. I wonder if they pass the playbook around amongst themselves:

1) post all kinds of nonsense that you know you can never justify or finesse your way out of;
2) hope that nobody calls you on your nonsense;
3) when you are called on your nonsense, refuse to respond to it in any meaningful way;
4) feel the heat of your refusal to respond to being called on your nonsense
5) breach your membership agreement repeatedly;
6) get yourself suspended for three days as a result of #5 above;
7) stomp your feet and pound your fists against the wall, and then post via a sockpuppet because you cannot accept the justified sanction in #6 above like an adult;
8) get yourself suspended for a month for your further breach of your membership agreement, as a result of your sockpuppetry in #7 above;
9) send nasty messages to the moderators because you are too stupid to avoid #1 through #8;
10) get yourself banned because you're a complete and utter idiot.

Result: Suicide by mod in 10 easy steps.

(ETA: Some trolls do it in fewer steps and shorter time, but the template is still valid)

Zensmack89 was a troll and an idiot, and too stupid to refrain from self-destructing. Gee, what a shame.:rolleyes:

[Orphia Nay]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/4884468d92915e4bc.png

[lionking]

I can't excuse abusiveness to mods, but I am going to miss Zen's looniness. Will now have to spend more time on lcf.

[Slayhamlet]

Good news. That thing was annoying.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/4884468d92915e4bc.png

Nominated. :D

[Slayhamlet]

I'm not sure you can nominate a graphic. Funny though!

[Orphia Nay]

Nominated. :D

Aw, shucks. Thanks, SoT. :) However, it's not new. I made it back in July for the thread, "Make a Windows Error Message out of the Truth Movement (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=86545)". I should have mentioned that I'd dug it up, but I was too busy being struck by its appropriateness. :o :rolleyes: :o

I'm not sure you can nominate a graphic. Funny though!

Thanks!

[chillzero]

I can't excuse abusiveness to mods, but I am going to miss Zen's looniness. Will now have to spend more time on lcf.

I'm sure he will be back, albeit briefly, every now and then.

Did you miss Laughing Assassin?

[Dave Rogers]

The same old m.o. as has been exhibited by other suicides by mod in the past. I wonder if they pass the playbook around amongst themselves:

You missed one, although so did Zensmack.

0) Make an initial post saying "I've never really believed the 9-11 conspiracy theories, but can anybody explain..."

Dave

[pomeroo]

Abusive PM to mod team? You gotta figure on some sort of ass kicking after that, don't you?


I have stated that I strongly oppose banning loons for their crazy opinions. Still, when people write abusive PMs to the mods, you have to assume that they can't handle the criticism of their position and have decided on a face-saving way out.

[pomeroo]

I'm sure he will be back, albeit briefly, every now and then.

Did you miss Laughing Assassin?


Really, Ace Baker should be allowed to return, Sure, he's bonkers, but he isn't abusive. He's better at maintaining a civil tone than I am.

Hmmm.

Hey, wait! Don't ban me, bro!!

[pomeroo]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/4884468d92915e4bc.png


Hey, that's damn good! How did you manage that?

[Architect]

I have to say I'm not surprised.There's only a few of us here who take this very unpopular position, which makes it all the more necessary to proceed with civility and accuracy.

I think we'd all agree that his position on the 911 liability fiddle was very poorly thought out and argued; when boxed into a corner he didn't put his hands up, but rather got abusive. Not a smart move.

I did think it bizarre that a man who seemed to ascribe to "no planes" considered the investigation to have been subverted due to fear of liability by the airline companies. :confused:

[8den]

Aw, shucks. Thanks, SoT. :) However, it's not new. I made it back in July for the thread, "Make a Windows Error Message out of the Truth Movement (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=86545)". I should have mentioned that I'd dug it up, but I was too busy being struck by its appropriateness. :o :rolleyes: :o



Thanks!

Thanks Abby, finding that thread was like bumping into someone who you got on great with at a party six months ago!


Really, Ace Baker should be allowed to return, Sure, he's bonkers, but he isn't abusive. He's better at maintaining a civil tone than I am.

Sure if you like getting patronised by a man not so much divorced from reality, more like reality has divorced him, moved on, remarried, had children, and settled with a new job three towns over.

[Apollo20]

I actually met Ace Baker about a month ago, and (on another occasion!) I met a self-declared conspiracy theory debunker who posts here a lot!

Both experiences were ...... well, let's say INTERESTING ......

One thing for sure, it takes all sorts to make the world go round!

Oh, and by the way, AB still claims he doesn't know why he was banned here at JREF....

[chillzero]

Oh, and by the way, AB still claims he doesn't know why he was banned here at JREF....

Remind him we PMd. ;)

[Alareth]

Hey, that's damn good! How did you manage that?

Why you use the Error Message Generator (http://atom.smasher.org/error/) of course :)

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1148846e8a5b67c2e4.png

[tacodaemon]

RedIbis -- ZENSMACK was suspended for creating a sockpuppet (Laughing Assassin). Then he was banned for sending an abusive message to the mod team. Neither of those things has to do with his views on 9/11.

[Slayhamlet]

RedIbis -- ZENSMACK was suspended for creating a sockpuppet (Laughing Assassin). Then he was banned for sending an abusive message to the mod team. Neither of those things has to do with his views on 9/11.

To be fair, I don't think RedIbis is contesting that.

[tacodaemon]

To be fair, I don't think RedIbis is contesting that.


You're right, I misread what RedIbis was getting at. Sorry about that, RedIbis.

[Pardalis]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/4884468d92915e4bc.png (http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/4884468d92915e4bc.png)

I guess he clicked on the first option again...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=3087566#post3087566

Following the footseps of Pd'oh.

[Slayhamlet]

I guess he clicked on the first option again...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=3087566#post3087566

Following the footseps of Pd'oh.

Geeze. How sad must this guy's life be?

[uruk]

My world is a little more lonely. You will be missed Zensmack.

We'll have to wait for your sock puppet to make it's appearance


Oops just saw that it did and went.

[tacodaemon]

Future :socks: debates can include not only whether it is :socks: but whether it is Zen or PD'oh...

[dudalb]

Abusive PM to mod team? You gotta figure on some sort of ass kicking after that, don't you?

It amazed me how many people on the Net insult and abuse the mods and/or the person who owns the site and think there will not be consequences.

[beachnut]

My world is a little more lonely. You will be missed Zensmack.

We'll have to wait for your sock puppet to make it's appearance


Oops just saw that it did and went.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3087182&postcount=12

No waiting needed.

[uruk]

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3087182&postcount=12

No waiting needed.

Priceless.

[RedIbis]

You're right, I misread what RedIbis was getting at. Sorry about that, RedIbis.

No big deal. Simple mistake. As I said before, if you come into this forum disagreeing with the official story, you have to be beyond reproach.

If you agree with the general view, as Borat would say, not so much.

[Bell]

Future :socks: debates can include not only whether it is :socks: but whether it is Zen or PD'oh...

Ask the suspected sock if he agrees with my sig. If no -> PD'oh

[Sword_Of_Truth]

No big deal. Simple mistake. As I said before, if you come into this forum disagreeing with the official story, you have to be beyond reproach.

If you agree with the general view, as Borat would say, not so much.

It's not that you disagreed with the "official" story at all.

It's that you did so without any evidence and lied about it.

[BenBurch]

It amazed me how many people on the Net insult and abuse the mods and/or the person who owns the site and think there will not be consequences.

Tell me about it.

I was a BBS sysop for YEARS.

And now I am moderator at DemocraticWarrior.com where the CDers abuse me mercilessly... But we are trying to be NICE to people, so...

[Bell]

BTW, I just remember I used to collect PD'oh socks in my sig. It got quite long :D

[uruk]

No big deal. Simple mistake. As I said before, if you come into this forum disagreeing with the official story, you have to be beyond reproach.

If you agree with the general view, as Borat would say, not so much.

Not beyond reproach. Just have your ducks in a row. Or in your case, ibises

[tacodaemon]

Not beyond reproach. Just have your ducks in a row. Or in your case, ibises


I've seen a fair number of mod actions against non-truthers in the CT subforum. Off the top of my head there were the bannings of Troy from WV and Perry Logan, and just the other day the suspension of Oliver and Pardalis for derailing too many threads with bickering.

[tacodaemon]

A few other debunkers who have received at least one suspension: DRBUZZ0 (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=91799) (more than once), Liszt (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=84711), Darth Rotor (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=81374) (more than once), and The Atheist (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=80037). And outside the CT subforum there are also people who are more or less in line with the Randi-esque debunker view of things but sometimes get modded for going overboard.

[dudalb]

Tell me about it.

I was a BBS sysop for YEARS.

And now I am moderator at DemocraticWarrior.com where the CDers abuse me mercilessly... But we are trying to be NICE to people, so...

Sooner or later,an example will have to be made.

[technoextreme]

I've seen a fair number of mod actions against non-truthers in the CT subforum. Off the top of my head there were the bannings of Troy from WV and Perry Logan, and just the other day the suspension of Oliver and Pardalis for derailing too many threads with bickering.

You can actually tell which people have been modded because there is a yellow card on the offending post.

[jaydeehess]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/129594720989e8d016.png

[jaydeehess]

Sooner or later,an example will have to be made.

Nothing says 'respect' like a head on a pole.

(from Family Guy):D

[chillzero]

Really, Ace Baker should be allowed to return, Sure, he's bonkers, but he isn't abusive. He's better at maintaining a civil tone than I am.

Hmmm.

Hey, wait! Don't ban me, bro!!

:D

pom, I love you, man. :cool:

[RedIbis]

Not beyond reproach. Just have your ducks in a row. Or in your case, ibises

We should all follow such a standard.

Is it unfair to say that those who contest the official story are held to a stricter standard?

[beachnut]

We should all follow such a standard.

Is it unfair to say that those who contest the official story are held to a stricter standard?
Forget the "official story". The truth movement needs to use facts instead of opinions to support their made up junk, ideas, questions, and support of any 9/11 truth conclusions.

Simple, the entire 9/11 truth movement has zero facts to support their conclusions. Their crazy opinions are flimsy support in a factual debate on 9/11. Their tactics work great in politics and religion; but are worthless for 9/11.

[BenBurch]

We should all follow such a standard.

Is it unfair to say that those who contest the official story are held to a stricter standard?

No, its not unfair. The reasons should be obvious.

[ihaunter]

Thanks Abby, finding that thread was like bumping into someone who you got on great with at a party six months ago!



Sure if you like getting patronised by a man not so much divorced from reality, more like reality has divorced him, moved on, remarried, had children, and settled with a new job three towns over.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_2546472265211eb89.png (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=8954)
The second option does sound more interesting.

I apologize for the gender specificity in option 2, but in my fantasy, EVERYONE goes for the fantasy chick:D