California Wildfire Wild Conspiracies

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

I have yet to find these CTs online yet, but I've heard around the office that people have heard these various CTs:

Arson: Several people have been arrested recently setting new fires. Including some guy on a Harley Davidson followed by a helicopter, and reported to police. (Sounds like too much detail to be true)

Arson/Immigration: Illegal Immigrants are setting the fires because they heard that ICE agents have been called off the border to help fight fires.

Arson/Immigration: Slumping home sales and therefore slumping demand for cheap illegal labor to build houses. This guarantees jobs. (Sounds like the economics parable of the broken window)

Arson/Economics: Homes defaulting. Collect insurance. (Unlikely on such a widespread scale)

Arson/Al Qaeda: 2003 FBI report says that Al Qaeda wrote down on a scrap of paper somewhere about starting fires in California

Environmentalists: Restricting loggers from clearing underbrush adds to the problems and creates a "tinderbox".

Arson/Class Warfare: Arsonists are setting the fires to burn down the homes of the rich and famous.

Meanwhile I'm glad I live in upstate NY where the only thing we have to worry about is a cold snowy winter.

[GT/CS]

I have yet to find these CTs online yet, but I've heard around the office that people have heard these various CTs:

Arson: Several people have been arrested recently setting new fires. Including some guy on a Harley Davidson followed by a helicopter, and reported to police. (Sounds like too much detail to be true)

Arson/Immigration: Illegal Immigrants are setting the fires because they heard that ICE agents have been called off the border to help fight fires.

Arson/Immigration: Slumping home sales and therefore slumping demand for cheap illegal labor to build houses. This guarantees jobs. (Sounds like the economics parable of the broken window)

Arson/Economics: Homes defaulting. Collect insurance. (Unlikely on such a widespread scale)

Arson/Al Qaeda: 2003 FBI report says that Al Qaeda wrote down on a scrap of paper somewhere about starting fires in California

Environmentalists: Restricting loggers from clearing underbrush adds to the problems and creates a "tinderbox".

Arson/Class Warfare: Arsonists are setting the fires to burn down the homes of the rich and famous.

Meanwhile I'm glad I live in upstate NY where the only thing we have to worry about is a cold snowy winter.

Arson/Firefighters: Firefighters have been known to start forest fires to make sure they keep working.

[twinstead]

I lived in San Diego as a child and was evacuated many time due to huge fires (never lost a house, though)

This conspiracy is at least 45 years old. I think it may be related to JFK, myself...;)

[ConspiRaider]

I heard this one repeatedly on the Randi Rhodes talk show yesterday, that the arson fires (and several fires here in SoCal really WERE set by arsonists) could have been set by - if you can believe this - BLACKWATER! Because they want to build a Blackwater base near San Diego and needed to burn the residents out. I hate Blackwater as much as any normal, mercenary-despising person should - but this is ridiculous.

I like Randi Rhodes, yet she does kind of thing every so often. Totally wild, woo speculation that busts her credibility down to zero, at times. I also like the Mike Malloy radio show. Sure enough - he started engaging in wild woo speculation on the wildfires last night. Unbelievable.

[dudalb]

That is why I don't listen to ANY radio talk shows except for Jim Rome (a sports talk show). Left or Right,the temptation to go into Woo territory is too great.
And I get tired of the tactics all talk shows hosts use...selective evidence,half truths,etc. I am just sick of it, I don't give a damn if it is Limbaugh or RHodes.And for them to accuse each other of distorting evidence is the funniest thing ever.
In the case of wildfires,almost every case of Arson I have heard has turned out to be the work of a nutjob,pure and simple.
The head of the fire program at the Federal Agency where I work in Sacramento..a very busy man these past few days...would to find the person who starts these "firefighters started the fires" rumors and kick the crap out of him.
Of course,rumors like this are nothing new. Remember how the Catholics started the Great Fire Of London?

[Solus]

Stupid doesn't even describe what you just mentioned Consipradier. Anything to boost rating or annoy people maybe. What station is Randi Rhodes on? I'm a little curious now that level of nonsense is practically funny.

[Anti-sophist]

Here ya go:
http://www.colboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=31903&sid=3c476ca2ad50169ee4f5ff07ec63d780

Tread carefully as the paranoia runs deep.

[Reality Believer]

I know one thing about the fires is that it provides conclusive proof that the ebil gobernment is spraying us with chemicals. Chemtrails I tell ya!

Proof:
kW2s3XQ2njc

[cloudshipsrule]

A typical candle wick burns at about 911 degrees. The fires are burning in California. If it looks like a duck has water on it's back it might weight the same as a witch. :)

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Here ya go:
http://www.colboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=31903&sid=3c476ca2ad50169ee4f5ff07ec63d780

Tread carefully as the paranoia runs deep.

Not too deep.

If you are not too paranoid to use the phone, call your doc and tell you have relapsed badly and need to up the dose.

Although I'm confused about the post about "connies" and war on drugs and what that has to do with wildfires

[Disbelief]

LCF is talkin about it. Halifax has a few screws loose:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=18361

[mthejaru12274]

Wait till California suffers total global collapse at near freefall speed. Then they'll really be talking.

[ConspiRaider]

Stupid doesn't even describe what you just mentioned Consipradier. Anything to boost rating or annoy people maybe. What station is Randi Rhodes on? I'm a little curious now that level of nonsense is practically funny.
Hey Solus -

Not sure, in your area. She's on KTLK 1150 here in Los Angeles, but she is not on a lot of stations. Nothing like Limbaugh or Hannity, for example. She does the show from NYC.

The one progressive talk show where you can expect to NOT hear woo, is the Ed Schultz Show. He's good. Not surprisingly, he's at the top of the ratings in the progressive talk show market. What happens with many progressive / liberal talk show hosts is that they fail to recognize the line of woo in the sand. They don't see it often enough, and blunder right across it. Hurts their credibility. Schultz, however, manages to suss out that line and avoid the blunders, typically.

[Disbelief]

Wait till California suffers total global collapse at near freefall speed. Then they'll really be talking.

Or they start talking about "isolated pockets" of fire.

[Jonnyclueless]

Look at the sheeple blinded by the absurd theories yet not able to see the truth right in front o their eyes, which are the government weather control systems used to create the windws to spread the fires.

[JimBenArm]

Wait till California suffers total global collapse at near freefall speed. Then they'll really be talking.
That's just woo talk. Everything east of the San Andreas will fall into the Atlantic, and there will only be the California Islands left!

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Look at the sheeple blinded by the absurd theories yet not able to see the truth right in front o their eyes, which are the government weather control systems used to create the windws to spread the fires.

I forgot... Arnold Schwartzenegger refused to let Dick Cheney "swing" with Maria Shriver... and this is PAYBACK 2007.

[Lisa Simpson]

That's just woo talk. Everything east of the San Andreas will fall into the Atlantic, and there will only be the California Islands left!

Hey! How'd you know about The Governator's Seekrit Plot?

[Blender Head]

I was listening to Thom Hartman and he gave me the idea that it's the Forest Logging Industry starting the fires so government officials will call for more trees to be cut, help FLI. :boxedin:

[dudalb]

Hey Solus -

Not sure, in your area. She's on KTLK 1150 here in Los Angeles, but she is not on a lot of stations. Nothing like Limbaugh or Hannity, for example. She does the show from NYC.

The one progressive talk show where you can expect to NOT hear woo, is the Ed Schultz Show. He's good. Not surprisingly, he's at the top of the ratings in the progressive talk show market. What happens with many progressive / liberal talk show hosts is that they fail to recognize the line of woo in the sand. They don't see it often enough, and blunder right across it. Hurts their credibility. Schultz, however, manages to suss out that line and avoid the blunders, typically.

Schultz I do listen to occasionally.He is one of the few political talk show hosts I can stand.
He is one of the few talk show hosts who knows how to appeal to the unconverted,unlike most who seem to just preach to the already converted,probbaly because it is easier.
It is easy to despise cheap shots and phony tactics when people you disagree with use them,what is more important..and harder...is to see them when people you agree with use them.

[Redtail]

I forgot... Arnold Schwartzenegger refused to let Dick Cheney "swing" with Maria Shriver... and this is PAYBACK 2007.

Great Cesar's Ghost!

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I have yet to find these CTs online yet, but I've heard around the office that people have heard these various CTs:

Arson: Several people have been arrested recently setting new fires. Including some guy on a Harley Davidson followed by a helicopter, and reported to police. (Sounds like too much detail to be true)

Arson/Immigration: Illegal Immigrants are setting the fires because they heard that ICE agents have been called off the border to help fight fires.

Arson/Immigration: Slumping home sales and therefore slumping demand for cheap illegal labor to build houses. This guarantees jobs. (Sounds like the economics parable of the broken window)

Arson/Economics: Homes defaulting. Collect insurance. (Unlikely on such a widespread scale)

Arson/Al Qaeda: 2003 FBI report says that Al Qaeda wrote down on a scrap of paper somewhere about starting fires in California

Environmentalists: Restricting loggers from clearing underbrush adds to the problems and creates a "tinderbox".

Arson/Class Warfare: Arsonists are setting the fires to burn down the homes of the rich and famous.

Meanwhile I'm glad I live in upstate NY where the only thing we have to worry about is a cold snowy winter.

How could you forget teh j00000s!

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

How could you forget teh j00000s!

Well, there was something about David Geffin house too. We could place blame on the Gay Mafia as well.

[dudalb]

Meanwhile I'm glad I live in upstate NY where the only thing we have to worry about is a cold snowy winter.
DId'nt they have a very bad wildfire in the Northren Part of New York a few years ago?

[Totovader]

Just remember: "Who benefits", right?

:rolleyes:

[OldTigerCub]

Just remember: "Who benefits", right?

:rolleyes:

Shhhhhhhh! Larry Silverstein just took out an insurance policy on San Diego...:cool:

[Marquis de Carabas]

It's pretty obvious, isn't it? The 9/11 conspirators are behind the fires to try to divert media attention from the upcoming release of LCFC.

[hellaeon]

we know that in this disaster everything and everyone is being looked after they even still have AA meetings going on at some of the refuge shelters, so its obvious bush and the NWO did not do the same in Katrina because most of the people were black....


We are looking into the eye of the storm here people...

[HL7442]

Trust the lefty media to do what they can to blame Bush for the fires. They've already tried in the past 3 days to say that the number of NG assets in Iraq hurt firefighting efforts. This coming from idiots at CNN and of course MSNBC. Arnold wasn't having any of that.

[WildCat]

The police did shoot and kill a man acting suspiciously in the brush, clearly he was a patsy who knew too much.

[HL7442]

The police did shoot and kill a man acting suspiciously in the brush, clearly he was a patsy who knew too much.

I thought he was just taking a tinkle.:boggled:

[negativ]

A very suspicious tinkle.

[robinson]

The News Networks as well as Internet News outlets are saying it was arson.

[jaydeehess]

There are 10 or 11 fires and 1 or 2 of them have been declared to have being , or suspected of being, arson.

CNN just showed a burned out home and a car in the driveway. The aluminum wheel rims of the car had melted and run down the driveway.

that should set off CT alarm bells................;)

[ConspiRaider]

Great Cesar's Ghost!
Isn't that a line from Spartacus? I seem to remember Olivier saying that...

[geggy]

Posted 7/11/2003 4:49 PM
FBI: al-Qaeda detainee spoke of fire plot

http://usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-07-11-alqaeda-fire_x.htm?POE=click-refer

With no new evidence, Fox continues to ask: Did al Qaeda burn California?
David Edwards and Nick Juliano
Published: Thursday October 25, 2007

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_hypes_Qaeda_plotted_fires_theory_1025.html

This is all very familiar to me..!

[dudalb]

Isn't that a line from Spartacus? I seem to remember Olivier saying that...
Nah,you are confusing That with Superman Comics. "Great Caesar's Ghost1" was Perry White's favorite exclamation.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

DId'nt they have a very bad wildfire in the Northren Part of New York a few years ago?

Honestly, I don't remember hearing about any wildfire in Upper Upstate NY (Adirondaks?)

Eitherway: Bad wildfire in upstate NY = 10 acres burned.

That's a block party on a Friday night in SoCal.

[robinson]

If terrorist didn't have anything to do with starting fires this year, no doubt the Media has made it obvious that it is a cheap and effective way to terrorize a country.

[Skeptic Guy]

Forget about the NWO, Halle Barry is quoted as saying that the fires are a result of "Mother Nature being angry".

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

I thought he was just taking a tinkle.:boggled:

Just fightin fires the "Volunteer Way" - Drunk on a ladder, peeing on the fire.

(A volunteer firefighter friend of mine told me that 'joke')

[robinson]

Didn't they report the first fire started because of an electrical problem? At a sub station or something up in the hills?

[dudalb]

Didn't they report the first fire started because of an electrical problem? At a sub station or something up in the hills?

Yes,that seems to be how the first fire started.
However,there is very real grounds that at least one of the later fires was started by Arson.
You have a number of different fires,and they probably got started by different events.

[beachnut]

This is all very familiar to me..!
You could earn 50,000 dollars if you confess who did it.

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by Redtail
Great Cesar's Ghost!
Isn't that a line from Spartacus? I seem to remember Olivier saying that...

No, its reference to the ghost of Caesar that appears in Shakespeare's play "Julius Caesar" IIRC. It scared the bejeesus out of Brutus I believe.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Didn't they report the first fire started because of an electrical problem? At a sub station or something up in the hills?

Yeah at least one of them did...

But we're not discussing rational reasons... but rumors of conspiracy!!!

[dudalb]

I am waiting to see what the LCF ers come up with about the shooting incident.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

I am waiting to see what the LCF ers come up with about the shooting incident.

I'd give it a 20:1 shot (pun!) that the shootee was a truther (4.6 percenter) and they'll claim "SEE THEY'RE SILENCING US!"

[Sword_Of_Truth]

If terrorist didn't have anything to do with starting fires this year, no doubt the Media has made it obvious that it is a cheap and effective way to terrorize a country.

I dislike the media as much as the next guy, but I don't think it's fair to put this on them.

Humans in general and jihadists in particular are fully capable of coming up with cheap and effective ways to inflict large amounts of property damage without needing to have their hands held in the process.

[robinson]

At this point some terrorist group could just CLAIM they started some of the fires. That would be effective as terrorism.

In regards to CT, maybe the terrorist side track is to throw attention away from the real fact that it may have started because of the power company. They don't want anyone focusing on them, so they put up a smoke screen to cover their ass.

Hows that for a CT?

[dudalb]

I dislike the media as much as the next guy, but I don't think it's fair to put this on them.

Humans in general and jihadists in particular are fully capable of coming up with cheap and effective ways to inflict large amounts of property damage without needing to have their hands held in the process.

And Wildfires as a way of causing destruction and panic is nothing new.
Remember Japan's attempts to start wildfires on the West Coast by sending over Balloons with incendiary bombs from Japan in World War 2? The idea was sound,it was just the technology did not work very well. A few small blazes got started,but nothing major.
If Japan in 1943 was aware of the possibilities of wildfire as a means of disruption,I am sure Al Qaida did not need CNN to tell them.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

At this point some terrorist group could just CLAIM they started some of the fires. That would be effective as terrorism.

In regards to CT, maybe the terrorist side track is to throw attention away from the real fact that it may have started because of the power company. They don't want anyone focusing on them, so they put up a smoke screen to cover their ass.

Hows that for a CT?

That works:

The Electric Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Company)/CYA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_your_ass): Started by poorly managed powerlines falling into disrepair. Blackwater's PR firm hired to deflect attention and to implement CYA Stand Down Order #3.

[robinson]

The idea was sound,it was just the technology did not work very well. A few small blazes got started,but nothing major.


Unlike our efforts, which were quite effective at burning Tokyo to the ground.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Unlike our efforts, which were quite effective at burning Tokyo to the ground.

You must be implying that GWB LI*HOP?

* It being the forest fires.

[robinson]

You must be implying that GWB LI*HOP?

* It being the forest fires.

I have no idea what that means. I'm not fluent in CT speak.

[robinson]

I was talking about the fire bombing of Tokyo, WWII. Once the decision was made to go after civilians during WWII, every nation became a terrorist. It was believed that demoralizing a country, by terrorizing the non-combatants, would lead to a surrender. Hitler started it by bombing London, and after that it was anything goes.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

I have no idea what that means. I'm not fluent in CT speak.

I Failed... I was trying to make a connection to the Pearl Harbor "Roosevelt knew" CTs and should have been a LOT more descriptive.

I failed like a retard taking a Mensa test.

[jaydeehess]

I was talking about the fire bombing of Tokyo, WWII. Once the decision was made to go after civilians during WWII, every nation became a terrorist. It was believed that demoralizing a country, by terrorizing the non-combatants, would lead to a surrender. Hitler started it by bombing London, and after that it was anything goes.

Actually bombing cities from the air was carried out in WW1 by basically shoveling them out the door of a Zepplin IIRC.

Attacking civilians ie.non-military personel, is described quite often in the bible, so its hardly a new thing. One practise was to "destroy utterly" a city. This entailed killing every man, woman,child and animal in the city and burning and tearing apart all structures while taking no spoil. It was a signal to other enemies that this fate could also be expected to happen to them should they oppose you. It said "we are rich enough and powerful enough to destroy our enemies and not take any spoil(loot, slaves). Don't mess with us".

[robinson]

Yeah, but that was the Israelites, who are secretly behind everything.

[Slayhamlet]

Trust the lefty media to do what they can to blame Bush for the fires. They've already tried in the past 3 days to say that the number of NG assets in Iraq hurt firefighting efforts. This coming from idiots at CNN and of course MSNBC. Arnold wasn't having any of that.

Wrong subforum.

[robinson]

Yeah, this is about stuff that isn't true.

[geggy]

You could earn 50,000 dollars if you confess who did it.

watch "enron: smartest men in the room" and learn how stock traders profit from distasters like these. lol

[negativ]

UPDATE! (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/10/31/fire.california/index.html)

One of the fires was oh-so-conveniently blamed on a stereotypical kid playing with matches. No word on his parental ties to Blackwater. Still no explanation of how a single match can burn hot enough to destroy almost 40k acres of forest. We're expected to believe that one kid with a match could single-handedly outwit one of the most sophisticated firefighting organizations in the world. The fires have been spreading BECAUSE of high winds! Everyone who has ever lit a match knows that they cannot stay lit in high winds.