CT linking Black Water to Portrero fire.

[leftysergeant]

There is actually a good reason to investigate this one officially.

Black Water USA has been trying to get the permits to open a mercenary school near the point of origin of the Portrero blaze in California.

The locals strongly object. The congreesman who represents the district strongly objects and is applying pressure to prevent the opening of the school.

A good percentage of the homes in the area are now gone. There is question whether some of the residents who objected to the Black Water presence will ever return.

As a trained fire investigator, this rings no alarm bells.

It's a bloody huge monster of a gong.

There is probable cause, at the very least, to examine the activities of all known Black Water operatives in California during the applicable time frame.

Qui bono?

ETA:

Just noticed that the subject had been brought up in another thread. I just heard the congressman from that district on the radio today and thought there was really something unique here.

Mea maxima culpa.

[The Doc]

I'm sorry but I can't bring myself to believe this one. It's all speculation with no backing evidence.

[buka001]

It is speculation at the moment. Will just have to wait and see what happens. Seemingly plausible, but still many facts are outstanding.

[PixyMisa]

Yep, this is every bit as plausible as Nick227's theories about the NWO.

[leftysergeant]

Admittedly, on a scale of one to ten with CD at WTC being a 1, this is at least a four.

We have motive and means. Opportunity is questionable, but not implausible.

Given the character of the suspects, there is reason to be at least a bit suspicious.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Sorry Sarge, I'm going to take the same tack with this that that Noam Chomsky (who never hesitates to vent his hatred for america/republicans/capitalism) takes with 9/11 CTs.

The risk/reward ratio for a stunt like this just isn't there.

given the number of fire investigators like yourself who would immediately recognize the pattern, there's just no way they would risk it.

[leftysergeant]

Given the arrogance displayed by BW executives facing congressional inquiries, the risk factor does not seem as good an arguement as it would when applied to a more ethical operation.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Given the arrogance displayed by BW executives facing congressional inquiries, the risk factor does not seem as good an arguement as it would when applied to a more ethical operation.

I'm not denying that Blackwater is currently experiencing severe ethical issues.

But even the most evil villains are capable of recognizing an absurd risk that doesn't have any hope of an equally absurd reward.

ETA: I have no problem with this comment:

There is probable cause, at the very least, to examine the activities of all known Black Water operatives in California during the applicable time frame.

Questioning everyone who may have had a motive and opportunity is simply a part of any thorough investigation. It'll probably be done anyway.

[Sparky]

I believe it's been already determined that the Harris fire (Potrero) was ignited by an exploding electrical transformer.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Or they could just build in New Mexico or Arizona or Nevada without resorting to questionable practices.

It's too easy to just build it somewhere else...

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Or they could just build in New Mexico or Arizona or Nevada without resorting to questionable practices.

It's too easy to just build it somewhere else...

Exactly.

Building a mercenary training school in the middle of a California residential area doesn't make a whole lot of sense to begin with.

It makes far more sense to put something like that just outside Podunk county, Montana where you can play toy soldier to your hearts content without the risk of collateral damage to high value real estate (or civvies).

[Mancman]

On the news today they showed several shots of aircraft dropping large quantities of an unidentified liquid over fire affected areas.

I think the fires were started to give the government an excuse to conduct a massive chemical test on millions of unsuspecting people.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Exactly.

Building a mercenary training school in the middle of a California residential area doesn't make a whole lot of sense to begin with.

It makes far more sense to put something like that just outside Podunk county, Montana where you can play toy soldier to your hearts content without the risk of collateral damage to high value real estate (or civvies).

It's the "WTC7 Was CD'd to destroy specific evidence that couldn't be shreded or removed to a remote location and thrown in a woodchipper" all over again.

[dudalb]

On the news today they showed several shots of aircraft dropping large quantities of an unidentified liquid over fire affected areas.

I think the fires were started to give the government an excuse to conduct a massive chemical test on millions of unsuspecting people.

Old news.The Contrail kooks go nuts everytime there is a wild fire involving the use of aerial fire retardents.

[Mancman]

Old news.The Contrail kooks go nuts everytime there is a wild fire involving the use of aerial fire retardents.

Damn. Thought I had something.

[Redtail]

Old news.The Contrail kooks go nuts everytime there is a wild fire involving the use of aerial fire retardents.

Yeah, when they drop the reddish looking stuff? Woooooooooo!

[Brainster]

Qui bono?

It's "Cui bono", and while it may be a legitimate principle when it comes to the ne'er-do-well son who inherits a fortune, it's seldom the case when it comes to large corporations. Any MBA worth his salt would recognize that the risk/reward ratio on an operation like this is awful.

[ConspiRaider]

First, what is known so far:

The Santiago Fire is considered arson.

The Rosa Fire is considered arson.

The Harris Fire - the one in Potrero and the subject of this thread - has not yet been determined to be arson. Its cause is under investigation. Cause, therefore: Undetermined.

This is yet another reason I no longer post at the Randi Rhodes Message Board - and why I don't listen to her show as much as I used to. This Blackwater-started-Harris-Fire is being heavily promoted by her. She is point blank saying the Harris Fire was arson. She is wrong, based on current available information. Even if the Harris Fire is later determined to be arson - she doesn't know that now. Yet, she is fully broadcasting that it was arson, and is making the Blackwater connection.

Anyone listening to ANY radio talk show in the United States of America: Assume that NOTHING you hear (right wing or liberal talk shows) is backed up with fact. Nothing.

Since the Harris Fire caused at least one known civilian death (the first one reported), and at least 4 firefighter injuries: That in itself would be a complete backfire on an alleged Blackwater "plot".

[Brainster]

Anyone listening to ANY radio talk show in the United States of America: Assume that NOTHING you hear (right wing or liberal talk shows) is backed up with fact. Nothing.

Phil Hendrie's shows are real, man!;)

[LashL]

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This is yet another reason I no longer post at the Randi Rhodes Message Board - and why I don't listen to her show as much as I used to. This Blackwater-started-Harris-Fire is being heavily promoted by her. She is point blank saying the Harris Fire was arson. She is wrong, based on current available information. Even if the Harris Fire is later determined to be arson - she doesn't know that now. Yet, she is fully broadcasting that it was arson, and is making the Blackwater connection.

Anyone listening to ANY radio talk show in the United States of America: Assume that NOTHING you hear (right wing or liberal talk shows) is backed up with fact. Nothing.

Since the Harris Fire caused at least one known civilian death (the first one reported), and at least 4 firefighter injuries: That in itself would be a complete backfire on an alleged Blackwater "plot".



This is what happens when people allow their politics to intrude upon (nigh, invade and completely circumvent) whatever ability they may have had to think rationally and critically. They leap to conclusions, make ill-founded allegations, and prove themselves to be incapable of examining the facts and evidence before drawing conclusions. It's sad, really.

*sigh*

[ConspiRaider]

Phil Hendrie's shows are real, man!;)
Of course.:) Once in awhile he's fun to listen to. Then after a bit, you get tired of knowing the whole show is fake...

[ConspiRaider]

This is what happens when people allow their politics to intrude upon (nigh, invade and completely circumvent) whatever ability they may have had to think rationally and critically. They leap to conclusions, make ill-founded allegations, and prove themselves to be incapable of examining the facts and evidence before drawing conclusions. It's sad, really.

*sigh*
Exactly. So incredibly irresponsible. And all it takes is a little restraint, a little tongue-biting. On this arson: If there's nothing to comment on, other than the sick mindset of arsonists in general - then these media types should simply keep their yaps closed. But they can't resist. That urge to tantalize, to dramatize - along with the promise of higher ratings, more listeners, more viewers...

On one of the big fires, the Santiago Fire, investigators are sure it was arson. But they don't yet know who, or how many, or what their affiliations were - they simply have discovered clues leading to arson as the cause of that fire. Could be teens, could be a sociopath, could be someone seeking attention, someone acting out a grudge, or whomever. Yet we have so-called "trusted" media types hinting, from one side, that it was Al Qaeda. From the other side, Blackwater. Really sick.

[Big Les]

Strikes me as the Unnecessarily Slow Dipping Mechanism school of conspiracies again.