Edward Teller dead

[shemp]

'Father Of The H-Bomb' Dies At 95 (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/10/tech/main572437.shtml)

Edward Teller, who played a key role in U.S. defense and energy policies for more than half a century and was dubbed the "father of the H-bomb" for his enthusiastic pursuit of the powerful weapon, died Tuesday. He was 95.

Yes, the fugging butthole who destroyed Robert Oppenheimer to further his own career, who gave Ronald Reagan the "Star Wars" defense boondoggle, and who was the father of the most terrible weapon ever developed (so far), has died.

Yet Teller himself may have unwittingly spurred the Soviet H-bomb project. Teller ignored doubts by physicists about his H-bomb design at a conference in 1946 and went ahead with an optimistic assessment of the project.

The result was an eventual go-ahead from Truman, and a leak to the Soviets about the superbomb from conference participant Klaus Fuchs.

Fuchs' information, based on Teller's flawed early design, may actually have misled the Soviets and hampered their H-bomb program. But the United States' decision to forge ahead with its own project had the effect of laying down a challenge to the Soviets.

Hmmm, he destroyed Oppenheimer merely by suggesting that Oppenheimer had dragged his feet on the A-bomb project, but he may have help spur on the Soviet H-bomb program.

Teller was something that used to be a rarity among scientists, a self-serving douchebag. Unfortunately, we see more and more of them nowadays. I guess science is getting more like politics and big business.

[whitefork]

We cannot allow a mine shaft gap

[American]

Our parents would have ended up in Soviet concentration camps were it not for Edward Teller.


You have no grasp on the man, nor of his postitve influence on history and freedom. You simply want to connect him to your own deficiencies and short-comings in life by seeking conservative targets like him for your deep anger and insecurities.

[hgc]

Originally posted by American
Our parents would have ended up in Soviet concentration camps were it not for Edward Teller.


You have no grasp on the man, nor of his postitve influence on history and freedom. You simply want to connect him to your own deficiencies and short-comings in life by seeking conservative targets like him for your deep anger and insecurities. Absolutely nothing of substance contained in your post. Please elaborate and substantiate.

[Malachi151]

Teller was horrible. I loved it when Gorbachev snubbed him.

Star War did end up having a somewhat positive effect but is was totally the opposite of Tellers intentions and he was full of lies when he promoted the idea.

[HarryKeogh]

but it was so cute the way he never talked!

[I'll_buy_that]

American, why must you troll? do you not have a day job?

[CapelDodger]

from American:
Our parents would have ended up in Soviet concentration camps were it not for Edward Teller.
The fall of the USSR has opened up the Soviet side of the Cold War, and revealed that there never was any plan or intention to attack the West. Not because of the bomb, since it was also the case before the Cold War. Nobody has any reason to conceal such plans these days. Clinging to the propaganda version of history may give you comfort, but it's wasting JREF bandwidth. You are also dismissing the ability of the US people to defend their homeland, which is odd.
You have no grasp on the man, nor of his postitve influence on history and freedom
I certainly do. He was a deeply unpleasant human being who was concerned, not with freedom, but with the victory of "his side".

[Agammamon]

Originally posted by HarryKeogh
but it was so cute the way he never talked!

Penn must be heartbroken but imagine the life this guy must have lead. From cutting edge physics to one-half of one of the best magic shows around.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by American
Our parents would have ended up in Soviet concentration camps were it not for Edward Teller.


You have no grasp on the man, nor of his postitve influence on history and freedom. You simply want to connect him to your own deficiencies and short-comings in life by seeking conservative targets like him for your deep anger and insecurities.

Someone else used to crap on like this... Now who was that?

[CapelDodger]

Mr Manifesto: Just when I thought it was safe to go back into the water ... You don't really think so, do you? Look at the brevity.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by CapelDodger
Mr Manifesto: Just when I thought it was safe to go back into the water ... You don't really think so, do you? Look at the brevity.

No, there are differences. Such as the brevity, and the lack of self-substantiating conspiracy theories. What's in common, though, is the statement of rubbish as though it's fact because the author clearly expects his audience to buy into the 'imminent commie threat' that was tossed around during the Cold War.

[CapelDodger]

Mr Manifesto: I think it's just a sub-species. But then, it might be an attempt at concealment after the Titanpoint/Diamond fiasco. In which case poking with a stick will soon reveal the truth.

[American]

Liberal revisionist history: the Cold War was one big misunderstanding. We were equals, both with paranoid selfish goals.




They killed 20 million+ in their own system, and you want to pretend they wouldn't have done it to us? Thank god Edward Teller lived in the Free World. He single-handedly kept it Free.

When a bunch of michael moores (you.) rejoice in his death, I wonder if the life and blood sacrifice of our own scientists, spies, and warriors was worth it for that 40 year period. You don't deserve the Liberty they earned for you, you ungrateful marxist turd-ass pinko liberal slacker punks.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by American
You simply want to connect him to your own deficiencies and short-comings in life by seeking conservative targets like him for your deep anger and insecurities.

:id:

[CapelDodger]

from American:
He single-handedly kept it Free.
I thought that was Wonder Woman?

[Silicon]

Originally posted by American
...ungrateful marxist turd-ass pinko liberal slacker punks.

...Coincidentally the name of the rock band I was in in college.

Wierd.

[Pyrrho]

Originally posted by American
Our parents would have ended up in Soviet concentration camps were it not for Edward Teller.

Oh, I doubt that. Stalin's purges gutted his own military of competent officers. We'd have beaten the Soviets in a conventional war.

[jj]

Originally posted by American
Our parents would have ended up in Soviet concentration camps were it not for Edward Teller.


OUR parents?

Not mine, buddy...

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by American
Liberal revisionist history: the Cold War was one big misunderstanding. We were equals, both with paranoid selfish goals.




They killed 20 million+ in their own system, and you want to pretend they wouldn't have done it to us? Thank god Edward Teller lived in the Free World. He single-handedly kept it Free.

When a bunch of michael moores (you.) rejoice in his death, I wonder if the life and blood sacrifice of our own scientists, spies, and warriors was worth it for that 40 year period. You don't deserve the Liberty they earned for you, you ungrateful marxist turd-ass pinko liberal slacker punks.

I am convinced JREF pays these guys, just to keep the place lively.

[peptoabysmal]

Interviewer:
Now that the collapse of the Soviet system has exposed many of its long-concealed weaknesses, some have questioned whether there ever was a need for a strong U.S. nuclear deterrent. These critics claim that in a sense, the Soviet Union was an invented enemy. How would you respond?

Edward's response:
You know, I have recently visited Hungary. It is remarkable how unanimous people are about their relief at being rid of the Soviets. Tell them the Soviets have been an invented fiction! Tell the Afghans! Attacks on the well-being of the individual for the sake of an imagined good—for the collective—have made three hundred million people in the Soviet Union, and at least one hundred million outside the Soviet Union, miserable for one or two generations.

The Soviet system collapsed after it became completely obvious that their program of extending their rule throughout the whole world had no hope of realization whatsoever. That collapse was a remarkable mixture of forces outside the Soviet Union—our forces, which stopped their expansion and made their leadership hesitate—and the deep dissatisfaction of their own people. Because they had had enough of that world, two hundred thousand people in Moscow gathered before their parliament in a day or two to face tanks.

The one most remarkable thing about all this is that it could occur inside the Soviet Union—and also outside—without bloodshed. But it was not just a revelation of weakness. It was a failure in the exercise of brute force against their own people, whom they killed by the millions, whom they put into concentration camps, and who, in the end, revolted against their system. But as long as force was successful in expanding their rule, they could not be stopped.

That the Soviets lasted for seventy years was probably due, to some extent, to Hitler. After Hitler's fall, there was an inevitable gain for the Soviets that made it possible for them to survive for a few more decades.

But to discount Soviet rule as no threat is false. They exercised over their own people a real, oppressive force and at least as much over those they conquered. Their resistance to Hitler was effective, but in the end their use of force was obviously insufficient to carry out a continuing mission of conquest. All this does not make as easy a picture as the one implied in the question, but Soviet power certainly was not an invention to be dismissed. I am sorry, but that claim is ridiculous.


Story (http://www.llnl.gov/llnl/history/teller.html)

[tracer]

Originally posted by CapelDodger
I thought that was Wonder Woman?
No no, Wonder Woman kept the Free World free from the Nazis. During the Cold War, it was Edward Teller, driving through Eastern Europe in his Tellermobile lobbing HydrogenBombarangs at would-be world conquerors. (I hated the way they turned Teller into a campy TV series in the 1960s.)