Big Mac vs. 10 Commandments

[greymatters]

A recent study (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/239250/More_Americans_can_recall_Big_Mac_Ingredients_than _Ten_Commandments) shows that more people can name the ingredients of a Big Mac than can name the 10 commandments (Yay! There's hope for this country yet!).

Just on the odd chance you want to remember both, here's some help:

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I have a few better ideas for the 4 and the 5. The 4 they use looks like it could be the front of a car or van (facing to your left), so they could use this as someone driving to church on Sunday. As for the 5, why not point out that it looks like the profile of a woman who is about to have a baby? That's much easier than mom and dad laying down in the shape of a 5.

7 and 9 could use some work, too.

I've always found it handy to memorize the 10 commandments. It's always fun when a Christian can't recall all of them, and an atheist like myself can rattle them off in and out of order! :D

Hey, does anybody have a system for remembering what the Bible calls the 10 commandments (Exodus 34) (http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm)? ;)

[madurobob]

Haha - I'll bet they can't really name the ingredients... just the words from the jingle. I'm not sure "special sauce" counts as an ingredient, at least not by FDA labeling standards.

I also question the "two all-beef patties".

ETA: Of course, I could be wrong (http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.categories.ingredients.in dex.html)

[greymatters]

True, they can't REALLY name the ingredients. On the other hand, as I pointed out in the first message, they can't REALLY name the 10 commandments, either.

[Alareth]

So should we put the 10 Commandments to a catchy tune and run them in prime time?

ETA: I know the Preamble to the Constitution but I have to sing it.

[madurobob]

So should we put the 10 Commandments to a catchy tune and run them in prime time?

I'm actually surprised this has not already happened.

[lionking]

I learnt the Ten Commandments when at Catholic primary school, but I can only recall them all now after reading "God is not great" by Christopher Hitchins. BTW, I do recall like it was yesterday going up to the nun who was teaching us and asking what adultry was. She looked through me like I wasn't there. I would have been no more than seven.

[greymatters]

So should we put the 10 Commandments to a catchy tune and run them in prime time?

ETA: I know the Preamble to the Constitution but I have to sing it.

If you know it from the Schoolhouse Rock video on the Preamble (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TXJRZ4CFc), there's a small mistake. It's "We the People of the United States, in Order to form...".

I learnt the Ten Commandments when at Catholic primary school, but I can only recall them all now after reading "God is not great" by Christopher Hitchins. BTW, I do recall like it was yesterday going up to the nun who was teaching us and asking what adultry was. She looked through me like I wasn't there. I would have been no more than seven.

When you're an infant, you're in infancy. So, when you're an adult...

[Marquis de Carabas]

A recent study (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/239250/More_Americans_can_recall_Big_Mac_Ingredients_than _Ten_Commandments) shows that more people can name the ingredients of a Big Mac than can name the 10 commandments (Yay! There's hope for this country yet!).
Call me a cynic, but I find no hope in this amusing little tidbit. In fact, after an initial chuckle, even the amusement wears off and I am left with a deep sense of despair, stemming from the fact that I know many of these same people who cannot name the Ten Commandments believe they should be firmly tacked onto the walls of every schoolroom, courthouse, and restroom stall in the nation. They don't even know their dogma, but they know it's right for me.

[lionking]

See, us wee kiddies thought adultry was a type of stealing, but had trouble with the "Thou Shalt Not Steal" one. But to be fair to the nun, I can't for the life imagine how she could possibly explain the concept. Then again it could have gone along the lines of "see it's like when Father McGuire decided that Sister Mary.........." Perhaps I shouldn't go there at all.

[HarryKeogh]

Call me a cynic, but I find no hope in this amusing little tidbit. In fact, after an initial chuckle, even the amusement wears off and I am left with a deep sense of despair, stemming from the fact that I know many of these same people who cannot name the Ten Commandments believe they should be firmly tacked onto the walls of every schoolroom, courthouse, and restroom stall in the nation. They don't even know their dogma, but they know it's right for me.

The politicians who support legislation to post the commandments in public can't name them either.

This is the best video clip in the history of video clips. (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13662.htm)

[Tokenconservative]

So should we put the 10 Commandments to a catchy tune and run them in prime time?

ETA: I know the Preamble to the Constitution but I have to sing it.

My kids have never heard the Big Mac jingle, but school, church and especially, Veggie Tales have taught them the 10 Cs.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

You wanna see something REALLY scary?

Most college students (several surveys) believe that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," is from the US Constitution.

And nearly every liberal in America believes that if it isn't (it isn't) it SHOULD be.

Tokie

[Lisa Simpson]

You wanna see something REALLY scary?

Most college students (several surveys) believe that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," is from the US Constitution.

And nearly every liberal in America believes that if it isn't (it isn't) it SHOULD be.

Tokie

Evidence?

[Loss Leader]

First of all, aren't there fewer ingredients in the Big Mac jingle than ten? I mean, even if you count the patties as two things and the top and bottom of the bun as two things, there's still only nine.



You wanna see something REALLY scary?

Most college students (several surveys) believe that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," is from the US Constitution.

And nearly every liberal in America believes that if it isn't (it isn't) it SHOULD be.



You want to see something REALLY scary? Some people post completely off-topic statements just so they can go out of their way to ascribe traits to "liberals" without evidence or even an operational definition of the word.

[KingMerv00]

You want to see something REALLY scary? Some people post completely off-topic statements just so they can go out of their way to ascribe traits to "liberals" without evidence or even an operational definition of the word.

Short attention span. Maybe we should call him Tokin' Conservative.

[Ysidro]

So which version of the 10 Cs can't they name? Any of them? A specific version?

If they were set to music, would people better know them? Does it really matter? Do I care? Do I want pie for breakfast again?

[Loss Leader]

First of all, aren't there fewer ingredients in the Big Mac jingle than ten? I mean, even if you count the patties as two things and the top and bottom of the bun as two things, there's still only nine.




Holy shmoly! I just realized that a Big Mac has three buns, not two. That does make ten things. So, there you go.

[greymatters]

So which version of the 10 Cs can't they name? Any of them? A specific version?

The survey apparently made allowances for the differences between the Protestant, Catholic and Hebrew versions (same contents, different order).

I don't have access to the exact survey results, but here's the breakdown I've found:

Big Mac

List Item % Remembered
Two-All Beef Patties 80
Lettuce 76
Sesame Seed Bun 75
Special Sauce 66
Pickles 62
Cheese 60


10 commandments

List Item % Remembered
Honor Mom/Dad 45
Don't Kill 39 (inexact - listed as "fewer than 4 in 10")
Keep Sabbath Holy 34
No Other Gods 29

[Marquis de Carabas]

The politicians who support legislation to post the commandments in public can't name them either.
That's not cheering me up.

[greymatters]

I'm guessing most people would do very poorly remembering the list found in Exodus 34 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2034&version=49), even though it is clearly stated that these are the same as the words on the first tablets (Exodus 34:1), and this is the only list specifically referred to in any Bible passage as the 10 commandments (Exodus 34:28):

1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).
2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.
4. All the first-born are mine.
5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.
8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.
9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
10. Thou shalt not boil a young goat in its mother's milk.

I think it would be fun to make a video to help people memorize these, just like the video posted in my first post in this thread.

[Rat]

Bun: Wheat Flour, Water, Sugar, Yeast, Rapeseed Oil, Salt, Sesame Seeds, Emulsifier (E472e Mono- and Diacetyltartaric Acid Esters of Mono- and Diglycerides of Fatty Acids), Soya Flour, Preservative (E282 Calcium Propionate), Flour Treatment Agent (E300 Ascorbic Acid).

Beef: 100% Pure Beef. No additives, fillers, binders, preservatives or flavour enhancers. Just pure forequarter and flank. A little salt and pepper is added to season after cooking.

Big Mac Sauce: Water, Vegetable Oil, Gherkins, Sugar, Spirit Vinegar, Modified Maize Starch, Free Range Egg Yolk, Mustard Seed, E260 Acetic Acid, Salt, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Mustard Flour (contains Mustard), Stabiliser (E415 Xanthan Gum), Preservative (E202 Potassium Sorbate), Onion Concentrate (Onion Extracts (96%), E471 Monoand Digylcerides of Fatty Acids, E472e Mono Diacetyltartaric Acid Esters of Mono- and Diglycerides of Fatty Acids. E322 Soya Lecithin, E270 Lactic Acid), Garlic Powder, White Pepper, Spice Extract, Flavouring (E414 Gum Arabic, Spice Extractives, E471 Mono- and Diglycerides of Fatty Acids).

Cheddar Cheese Slice (processed): Vegetarian Cheddar Cheese (55%), Water, Butter, Whey Powder, Milk Proteins, Natural Cheese Flavouring, Emulsifying Salts (E331 Trisodium Citrate, E450 Diphosphates, E452 Polyphosphates), Salt, Preservative (E200 Sorbic Acid), Colour (E160a Natural Carotenes, E160c Paprika Extract).

Lettuce: 100% Iceberg Lettuce.

Onions: Onion

Dill Pickle Slices: Cucumbers, Water, Salt, Vinegar, Dill Pickle Blends (contains E414 Gum Arabic, Extractives of Dill and other spices, Extractives of Turmeric), E509 Calcium Chloride, E202 Potassium Sorbate, E211 Sodium Benzoate.Nope, I've forgotten it already.

How does a Spice Extractive differ from a Spice Extract?

[Tokenconservative]

First of all, aren't there fewer ingredients in the Big Mac jingle than ten? I mean, even if you count the patties as two things and the top and bottom of the bun as two things, there's still only nine.


ou want to see something REALLY scary? Some people post completely off-topic statements just so they can go out of their way to ascribe traits to "liberals" without evidence or even an operational definition of the word.

It's not conservative who want to ban the Big Mac.

Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese pickles, onions on a sesame seet bun (if I do not misremember).

A little catchier, and shorter than the 10 Commandments.

Moreover, Big Macs suck. They always have. The Quarter-Pounder with cheese is much better. But I suggest not eating at McDonald's anyway, because they openly ignore America's laws against employing illegal aliens.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

So which version of the 10 Cs can't they name? Any of them? A specific version?

If they were set to music, would people better know them? Does it really matter? Do I care? Do I want pie for breakfast again?

Is the pie fat, salt, sugar and enjoyment free?

Then the PC nannies will probably say you can have it, only if you don't enjoy it.

Tokie

[Beerina]

Haha - I'll bet they can't really name the ingredients... just the words from the jingle. I'm not sure "special sauce" counts as an ingredient, at least not by FDA labeling standards.

I also question the "two all-beef patties".

ETA: Of course, I could be wrong (http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.categories.ingredients.in dex.html)


"All-beef" says nothing about the fat content. It just says there's no pig or chicken or dog kibble in it.

The "special sauce" is Thousand Island dressing.

It was ripped off from Big Boy's Big Boy hamburger, though it does taste better, I will admit.


Speaking of Mickey D's ripping off other chains, you all see their new "plain" chicken sandwich and morning biscuit? "With just a pickle"?

That's thievery from Chick-Fil-A. Like Big Boy, a chicken sandwich with just a pickle on it is their signature sandwich. And Chick-Fil-A is growing and spreading into many other states from just the south. Must be something there, so let's steal their sandwich and pretend we invented it.

[Loss Leader]

It's not conservative who want to ban the Big Mac.


Do you have any evidence whatsoever that anyone of any political persuasion wants to "ban the Big Mac"?




Sigh. I just realized whom I was asking for evidence.

[greymatters]

Perhaps Tokie is referring to Prince Charles (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=storm-as-charles-calls-for-big-mac-ban&method=full&objectid=18684690&siteid=89520-name_page.html) or the South Los Angeles City Council (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fastfood10sep10,0,4559964.story?coll=la-home-center%22%20target%3D%22external%22)?

[fuelair]

You wanna see something REALLY scary?

Most college students (several surveys) believe that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," is from the US Constitution.

And nearly every liberal in America believes that if it isn't (it isn't) it SHOULD be.

Tokie

No, they don't. What they tend to think is that a) all citizens have certain rights, one of which is the right not to be left to die, b)the people who control the government have the responsibility to make sure a) is paid it's due attention and c) the materials of production should be used most effectively for the good of the country rather than the assumed good of a very limited part of it. The two are not equivalent - especially if the materials of production are controlled by persons also allowed excessive influence on the actions of that government.

[Tokenconservative]

"All-beef" says nothing about the fat content. It just says there's no pig or chicken or dog kibble in it.

The "special sauce" is Thousand Island dressing.

It was ripped off from Big Boy's Big Boy hamburger, though it does taste better, I will admit.


Speaking of Mickey D's ripping off other chains, you all see their new "plain" chicken sandwich and morning biscuit? "With just a pickle"?

That's thievery from Chick-Fil-A. Like Big Boy, a chicken sandwich with just a pickle on it is their signature sandwich. And Chick-Fil-A is growing and spreading into many other states from just the south. Must be something there, so let's steal their sandwich and pretend we invented it.

Couple of things:

1. Secret sauce. Nope. They add something to it. But mostly, yeah...thousand island dressing. They have this at Good Times for their fries...mmmmm!
My uncle made this stuff in his little eatery 40 years ago when I worked there. Well, actually...he had me make it: Mayo, catsup (or ketchup..either will work)diced pickles, diced onion, and a dash of Worcestershire sauce (I dunknow what it is, but that last makes everthing taste so English!).


2. The fast food people rip each other off all day long. Who cares? Don't patronize McDs, Burger King, KFC, Taco Bell anyway, since they hire illegals. Problem solved.

3. Anybody who eats a chicken sandwhich has no idea what good food is. Chicken was never designed to be between slices of bread.

4. Anyone who eats chicken with a fricken pickle needs to have his/her/other head examined.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

No, they don't. What they tend to think is that a) all citizens have certain rights, one of which is the right not to be left to die, b)the people who control the government have the responsibility to make sure a) is paid it's due attention and c) the materials of production should be used most effectively for the good of the country rather than the assumed good of a very limited part of it. The two are not equivalent - especially if the materials of production are controlled by persons also allowed excessive influence on the actions of that government.


Hmmm...well, I think both Stalin and Spock said just about the same, socialist thing, but with far fewer words.

Of course, I understand that in order to maintain the typical, lefty obfuscatory approach, 'tain't nuthin' like a few dozen extra words to make sure it sounds way better'n it really is.

If anyone can offer a better description of anti-free market socialism, I'd like to see it!

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Perhaps Tokie is referring to Prince Charles (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=storm-as-charles-calls-for-big-mac-ban&method=full&objectid=18684690&siteid=89520-name_page.html) or the South Los Angeles City Council (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fastfood10sep10,0,4559964.story?coll=la-home-center%22%20target%3D%22external%22)?

If I say "the sun rises in the east," I don't have to offer a link--LIIIIIINNKKKKKKKKK!!!!--to back it up. It's common knowledge.

It's common knowledge (or should be) that NYCity banned "trans fats" from foods sold within it. Hmmm....now, while this is not specifically banning the Big Mac (as it has been ridiculously parsed here) it is the sort of nannyist, socialist Big Brother thing I am, in general, talking about.

And that comes from, not the right...but the left.

Tokie

[volatile]

If I say "the sun rises in the east," I don't have to offer a link--LIIIIIINNKKKKKKKKK!!!!--to back it up. It's common knowledge.

Did you just say that the statements "The sun rises in the east" and "[Evil Liberals] want to ban the Big Mac" are equivalent in terms of their obviousness? Really?

Did you really just say that?

[Loss Leader]

It's common knowledge (or should be) that NYCity banned "trans fats" from foods sold within it. Hmmm....now, while this is not specifically banning the Big Mac (as it has been ridiculously parsed here) it is the sort of nannyist, socialist Big Brother thing I am, in general, talking about. And that comes from, not the right...but the left.


Has it been ridiculously parsed? Let's examine your own words:
It's not conservative who want to ban the Big Mac.


Nope. Seems like I parsed it quite right. If you don't want to be taken at your word, TC, don't say it. Just type what you mean. Now you claim that you mean that NYC's ban of trans fats is what you meant by banning the Big Mac. You also claim that this is a movement from the left. Let's examine those claims:

According to McDonalds itself (http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html), the Big Mac has 1.5 grams of trans fats out of a total 29 grams of fat. That's about 5%.

Furthermore, it's not clear that New York City's ban would reach the Big Mac. According to the Board of Health's new regulations (http://news.findlaw.com/usatoday/docs/transfat/nyctransfatlaw.html?loc=interstitialskip), only artificially introduced trans fats are banned. Naturally occurring trans fats in meats are exempt. So are trans fats of 0.5 g per serving or less. While McDonald's doesn't list the source of trans fats in its Big Macs, some may be naturally occurring and the rest may be less than 0.5 grams. In any case, a product with that little trans fat to begin with should be easy to get down below the limit.

Now, who was behind the ban in New York? It was enacted by the New York City Board of Health. The Board of Health (http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/boh/boh.shtml) is an eleven member body. Members are appointed by the Mayor with the consent of the City Council and serve six-year terms. Rudy Giuliani, a Republican, served as Mayor from January 1, 1994 to December 31, 2001. He was succeeded by Michael Bloomberg, also a Republican.

The members of the Board of Health are: Thomas R. Frieden, MD, MPH, Chair, a Bloomberg nominee; Marlon E. Brewer, M.D., appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2006; Pamela S. Brier, M.P.H., appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2002; Sixto R. Caro, M.D., appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2002; Angela Diaz, M.D., M.P.H, appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2002; Beatrix A. Hamburg, M.D., appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2002; Susan Klitzman, DrPH, appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2002; Kenneth Popler, Ph.D., M.B.A., Lynne D. Richardson, M.D., F.A.C.E.P., appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2002; Bruce C. Vladeck, Ph.D., David Vlahov, Ph.D., appointed by Mayor Bloomberg in 2002.

So, we know that at least nine of the eleven members were appointed by a Republican mayor. Since they serve six year terms and New York City has had a Republican mayor since 1994, we know that the other two were at least reappointed by a Republican.

I assume that you would agree that Republican mayors are not in the habit or rewarding those who work against them with high-powered positions.

It also bears mentioning that all of these people are exceptionally accomplished and dedicated professionals. You can read their bios for yourself. Six of them are medical doctors for whom the health of their patients is a matter of ethics.

If you have any evidence that the decision in NYC to ban trans fats "comes from not the right, but the left," please present it. As it stands, it appears everyone who made the decision had ties to a Republican administration.

[volatile]

I make that at least the third thread this week in which sober evidence has trumped TC's wild assertions. Are we confused any longer as to why he never backs up anything he says?

[Alareth]

1. Secret sauce. Nope. They add something to it. But mostly, yeah...thousand island dressing. They have this at Good Times for their fries...mmmmm!

McD's special sauce is thousand island dressing with pickle relish mixed in.

[OldTigerCub]

The FSM's 8 "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts" seems so much easier to digest (than either the Ten Commandments or the ingredients of a Big Mac):

The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts"
1. I'd really rather you didn't act like a sanctimonious holier-than-thou ass when describing my noodly goodness. If some people don't believe in me, that's okay. Really, I'm not that vain. Besides, this isn't about them so don't change the subject.
2. I'd really rather you didn't use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or, you know, be mean to others. I don't require sacrifices, and purity is for drinking water, not people.
3. I'd really rather you didn't judge people for the way they look, or how they dress, or the way they talk, or, well, just play nice, Okay? Oh, and get this into your thick heads: woman = person. man = person. Samey = Samey. One is not better than the other, unless we're talking about fashion and I'm sorry, but I gave that to women and some guys who know the difference between teal and fuchsia.
4. I'd really rather you didn't indulge in conduct that offends yourself, or your willing, consenting partner of legal age AND mental maturity. As for anyone who might object, I think the expression is go f*** yourself, unless they find that offensive in which case they can turn off the TV for once and go for a walk for a change.
5. I'd really rather you didn't challenge the bigoted, misogynistic, hateful ideas of others on an empty stomach. Eat, then go after the b*******.
6. I'd really rather you didn't build multi million-dollar churches/temples/mosques/shrines to my noodly goodness when the money could be better spent (take your pick):
Ending poverty
Curing diseases
Living in peace, loving with passion, and lowering the cost of cable
I might be a complex-carbohydrate omniscient being, but I enjoy the simple things in life. I ought to know. I AM the creator.
7. I'd really rather you didn't go around telling people I talk to you. You're not that interesting. Get over yourself. And I told you to love your fellow man, can't you take a hint?
8. I'd really rather you didn't do unto others as you would have them do unto you if you are into, um, stuff that uses a lot of leather/lubricant/Las Vegas. If the other person is into it, however (pursuant to #4), then have at it, take pictures, and for the love of Mike, wear a CONDOM! Honestly, it's a piece of rubber. If I didn't want it to feel good when you did it I would have added spikes, or something

All hail His Noodly Goodness!:D

[Darth Rotor]

==snip==
I might be a complex-carbohydrate omniscient being, but I enjoy the simple things in life. I ought to know. I AM the creator.
==sip==
All hail His Noodly Goodness!:D
You do realize that the Floating Penne Monster is a far superior deity, don't you? Something about the hollow tubes of pasta goodness, al dente, makes for a more satisfying pasta essence. Granted, the Archangel Farfala is more suitable for formal occasions . . .

DR

[NotJesus]

Is the pie fat, salt, sugar and enjoyment free?

Yes, but we've added pot to make the pie higher.

Tokie

I'm sure you'll approve.

[Tokenconservative]

Yes, but we've added pot to make the pie higher.



I'm sure you'll approve.


Your assumption has made an ass of you.

As long as the pot is listed in the ingredients, I have no problem with that.

Add heroin or crack if you want, just make sure it's listed.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

McD's special sauce is thousand island dressing with pickle relish mixed in.

TI dressing already has that. Lots of places use this "secret sauce" and have for years, some add this or that...like I said, Good Times adds Worcestershire sauce (my uncle's recipe) and I believe onion powder. When I made it (and I made the TI dressing, too--and the bleu cheese and Italian)...the recipe called for chopped onions.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Has it been ridiculously parsed? Let's examine your own words:



Nope. Seems like I parsed it quite right. If you don't want to be taken at your word, TC, don't say it. Just type what you mean. Now you claim that you mean that NYC's ban of trans fats is what you meant by banning the Big Mac. You also claim that this is a movement from the left. Let's examine those claims:

According to McDonalds itself (http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html), the Big Mac has 1.5 grams of trans fats out of a total 29 grams of fat. That's about 5%.

Furthermore, it's not clear that New York City's ban would reach the Big Mac. According to the Board of Health's new regulations (http://news.findlaw.com/usatoday/docs/transfat/nyctransfatlaw.html?loc=interstitialskip), only artificially introduced trans fats are banned. Naturally occurring trans fats in meats are exempt. So are trans fats of 0.5 g per serving or less. While McDonald's doesn't list the source of trans fats in its Big Macs, some may be naturally occurring and the rest may be less than 0.5 grams. In any case, a product with that little trans fat to begin with should be easy to get down below the limit.

Now, who was behind the ban in New York? It was enacted by the New York City Board of Health. The Board of Health (http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/boh/boh.shtml) is an eleven member body. Members are appointed by the Mayor with the consent of the City Council and serve six-year terms. Rudy Giuliani, a Republican, served as Mayor from January 1, 1994 to December 31, 2001. He was succeeded by Michael Bloomberg, also a Republican.

The members of the Board of Health are: Thomas R. Frieden, MD, MPH, Chair, a Bloomberg nominee; Marlon E. Brewer, M.D., appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2006; Pamela S. Brier, M.P.H., appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2002; Sixto R. Caro, M.D., appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2002; Angela Diaz, M.D., M.P.H, appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2002; Beatrix A. Hamburg, M.D., appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2002; Susan Klitzman, DrPH, appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2002; Kenneth Popler, Ph.D., M.B.A., Lynne D. Richardson, M.D., F.A.C.E.P., appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2002; Bruce C. Vladeck, Ph.D., David Vlahov, Ph.D., appointed by Mayor Bloomberg in 2002.

So, we know that at least nine of the eleven members were appointed by a Republican mayor. Since they serve six year terms and New York City has had a Republican mayor since 1994, we know that the other two were at least reappointed by a Republican.

I assume that you would agree that Republican mayors are not in the habit or rewarding those who work against them with high-powered positions.

It also bears mentioning that all of these people are exceptionally accomplished and dedicated professionals. You can read their bios for yourself. Six of them are medical doctors for whom the health of their patients is a matter of ethics.

If you have any evidence that the decision in NYC to ban trans fats "comes from not the right, but the left," please present it. As it stands, it appears everyone who made the decision had ties to a Republican administration.

Wow.

I thought MY life was lacking um...well, a life.

Yeah, it's the rightwing that's out to force us not to smoke, to eat only rabbit food...yep, you proved it quite clearly by starting out saying that McD's ADMITS!!!! that a Big Mac contains...whatever.

Yep...I dun been whupped like redheaded step son!

I knows when I has met my inti-lectchul superior!

Sheesh.

Do you lefties EVER tire of this nonsense?

Let's have some fun...you know, lefties like you ALSO claim that Big Macs are one of the leading causes of your religion, Global Warming...

(I love fireworks).

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

I make that at least the third thread this week in which sober evidence has trumped TC's wild assertions. Are we confused any longer as to why he never backs up anything he says?

Three?

Really?

I demand a recount!

Is Algore available to help!?

Now that he's done on South Park, maybe he can fly in to help?

Tokie

[NobbyNobbs]

The politicians who support legislation to post the commandments in public can't name them either.

This is the best video clip in the history of video clips. (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13662.htm)

Please, please, *please* tell me this is a real interview, and not a pieced-together joke.

Either way, it's hysterical, but I really hope it's real.

The survey apparently made allowances for the differences between the Protestant, Catholic and Hebrew versions (same contents, different order).

I don't have access to the exact survey results, but here's the breakdown I've found:

Big Mac

List Item % Remembered
Two-All Beef Patties 80
Lettuce 76
Sesame Seed Bun 75
Special Sauce 66
Pickles 62
Cheese 60


10 commandments

List Item % Remembered
Honor Mom/Dad 45
Don't Kill 39 (inexact - listed as "fewer than 4 in 10")
Keep Sabbath Holy 34
No Other Gods 29


You forgot onions.

[Mashuna]

Wow.

I thought MY life was lacking um...well, a life.

Yeah, it's the rightwing that's out to force us not to smoke, to eat only rabbit food...yep, you proved it quite clearly by starting out saying that McD's ADMITS!!!! that a Big Mac contains...whatever.

Yep...I dun been whupped like redheaded step son!

I knows when I has met my inti-lectchul superior!

Sheesh.

Do you lefties EVER tire of this nonsense?

Let's have some fun...you know, lefties like you ALSO claim that Big Macs are one of the leading causes of your religion, Global Warming...

(I love fireworks).

Tokie

Don't be stupid, the only way to prevent Global Warming is to ban the ownership of firearms. Everyone knows that.

[greymatters]

You forgot onions.

....not to mention 6 of the commandments.

These are all the items for which I could find data. Unfortunately, I never found a like to the original study, or even the original press release, so I had to go by just the information in the news stories.

[Loss Leader]

Wow.

I thought MY life was lacking um...well, a life.

Yeah, it's the rightwing that's out to force us not to smoke, to eat only rabbit food...yep, you proved it quite clearly by starting out saying that McD's ADMITS!!!! that a Big Mac contains...whatever.


Actually, what happened was that I presented facts which showed that your allegations were baseless.


lefties EVER tire of this nonsense?


First of all, I have not in any way identified myself as a "lefty." Thus, you are ascribing this to me based only on the fact that I disagree with you. Second, which part of the facts that I cited do you consider nonsense?

[delphi_ote]

Haha - I'll bet they can't really name the ingredients...
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!

[greymatters]

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!

This reminds me of one of my favorite scenes from Futurama. Fry wins a trip to the Slurm (a popular drink) Factory, and everyone starts wondering what the secret ingredient is.

Fry: "What if the secret ingredient is...people?!?"

Leela: "Nah. They already have a drink like that. It's called Soylent Cola."

Fry: "Is it any good?"

Leela: "It varies from person to person."

[volatile]

Three?

Really?

I demand a recount!

Is Algore available to help!?

Now that he's done on South Park, maybe he can fly in to help?

Tokie

At least three...

1) In which Tokie says that spelling Christian "Xtian" is a modern phenomenon (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=97159&page=3) - ImagnialDisc cites a usage from the 11th century.

2) In which Tokie was adamant that children were not sexualised prior to the late 60s (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=97159&page=3), and asked for evidence of, and I paraphrase a "TV commercial from 1960 showing a slut-dressed teenager" - I pointed out that Lolita was written in 1955, and PonderingTurtle also stated that young girls were sexual objects in stage shows during the 1930s.

3) This thread, in which Tokie says that the liberals are trying to ban Big Macs (or transfats, which Big Macs contain) - LossLeader cites the fact that everyone involved in the NY transfats decision was a Republican nominee.


So, here's the rub. Why are you still steaming at us? Why aren't you furious at whichever blinkered, right-wing source flat-out lied to you? You're being lied to by whoever it is you get your data from, TC. Why doesn't that piss you off?

[NotJesus]

As long as the pot is listed in the ingredients, I have no problem with that.

Understood, Tokie (if that really is your name).

[Darth Rotor]

Wow. {responding to Loss Leader}
==cut to==
Do you lefties EVER tire of this nonsense?

Let's have some fun...you know, lefties like you ALSO claim that Big Macs are one of the leading causes of your religion, Global Warming...

Tokie
Tokie, I've been reading Loss Leader's stuff for over a year, and can't find "leftie" to be an apt label for his general positions. I'd guess moderate, a bit left of center on some bits, and bit right of center on others.

How did you peg him as a "lefty: him disagreeing with you? :confused:

DR

[Loss Leader]

Tokie, I've been reading Loss Leader's stuff for over a year, and can't find "leftie" to be an apt label for his general positions. I'd guess moderate, a bit left of center on some bits, and bit right of center on others.

How did you peg him as a "lefty: him disagreeing with you? :confused:



Thanks, DR. I don't see what my politics have to do with my posts in this thread. Either the facts I cited about the Board of Health and Big Macs are true or they aren't. It's not like I'm arguing that life doesn't meaningfully begin at conception. There is no moral dimension to my statements in this thread.