Sibel Edmonds ready to tell it all

[Childlike Empress]

I'm assuming you've heard the name Sibel Edmonds (http://www.justacitizen.com/) before. Bradblog (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5197) covers the newest development:

Attention CBS 60 Minutes: we've got a huge scoop for you. If you want it.

Remember the exclusive story you aired on Sibel Edmonds, originally on October 27th, 2002, when she was not allowed to tell you everything that she heard while serving as an FBI translator after 9/11 because she was gagged by the rarely-invoked "States Secret Privilege"? Well, she's still gagged. In fact, as the ACLU first described her, she's "the most gagged person in the history of the United States of America."

But if you'll sit down and talk with her for an unedited interview, she has now told The BRAD BLOG during an exclusive interview, she will now tell you everything she knows.

Everything she hasn't been allowed to tell since 2002, about the criminal penetration of the FBI where she worked, and at the Departments of State and Defense; everything she heard concerning the corruption and illegal activities of several well-known members of Congress; everything she's aware of concerning information omitted and/or covered up in relation to 9/11. All of the information gleaned from her time listening to and translating wire-taps made prior to 9/11 at the FBI.[...]

"People say, 'why doesn't she just come forward and spill the beans?' I have gone all the way to the Supreme Court and was shut down, I went to Congress and now consider that shut down," she told The BRAD BLOG last week when we spoke with her for comments in relation to our story on former House Speaker Dennis Hastert's original attempt to move a resolution through the U.S. House in 2000 declaring the 1915 massacre of 1.5 million ethnic Armenians in Turkey as "genocide."

"Here's my promise to the American Public: If anyone of the major networks --- ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX --- promise to air the entire segment, without editing, I promise to tell them everything that I know," about everything mentioned above, she told us.

"I can tell the American public exactly what it is, and what it is that they are covering up," she continued. "I'm not compromising ongoing investigations," Edmonds explained, because "they've all been shut down since."


What is it? According to the information gathered from her several appearances on alternative media, documentaries and so on, it is:

Here is a past list from Bradblog run in March of 2006 as a summary. There is a LOT more to it since then.

9/11 Related:

* Information omitted and covered-up regarding documented and confirmed case of a long-term FBI Informant & Asset who provided the FBI with specific information and warnings in April & June 2001 regarding 9/11 terrorist attacks.
* Information omitted & covered up regarding documented information in the procession of the FBI in July 2001 regarding blue prints and building composite information of Sky Scrapers being sent to certain groups in the Middle East by certain Middle-Eastern suspects in the State of Nevada.
* Information omitted & covered up regarding arrangements made between the State Department and certain countries to deport certain Middle-Eastern and Central Asian detainees from jails in New Jersey & New York off the record and without having them interrogated in November 2001. (Documents related to these suspects were forged at the FBI).
* Information omitted & covered up regarding nuclear related information illegally obtained by certain foreign entities and US persons (government officials) from several US labs being sold to a certain Middle-Eastern group in the United States in 1998-2000. The operation involved individuals with Diplomatic cover, foreign Ph.D. students, and US employees.
* Information omitted & covered up regarding money laundering & narcotics operations, some of which involved entities from the Middle East and the Balkans, in several US cities.
* Information omitted & covered up regarding certain Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI)-related activities linked to the 9/11 attacks between August & October 2001.
* Certain terrorist related Counterintelligence/FISA information & investigations were prevented from being transferred to counterterrorism & criminal division by the Department of State and the Pentagon; "preserving sensitive diplomatic relations" and "protecting certain US foreign business relations (mainly involving weapons procurement)" were cited as reasons.
* Intentional mistranslation & blocking of foreign language intelligence of FBI counterterrorism and counterintelligence investigations.

Penetration of FBI, Department of State and Department of Defense:

* Melek Can Dickerson: FBI; formerly employed by the American Turkish Council (ATC) and American Turkish Association (ATA).
* Major Douglas Dickerson: Air Force, DIA; formerly worked with the American Turkish Council (ATC), had on going relationship with International Advisors Inc (IAI) principles who worked as lobbying arms for certain foreign nations and foreign non-state entities (some of whom were engaged in illegal activities in the United States and against US interests and national Security.)
* Cases reported by John M. Cole, Veteran FBI Counterintelligence Operations Manager, to the DOJ-IG & Congress involving Hadiya Roberts (ISI-Pakistan), and several other individuals.
* Documented cases under FBI counterintelligence surveillance between 1997 and 2002, involving US government officials from the Department of State, DOD, and certain elected officials who were recipients of regular payments made by state and non-state foreign entities, some involved in criminal operations against US interests & national security. These cases were prevented from being transferred to actionable criminal and/or counterterrorism divisions/investigations.
* A reported case of penetration of FBI New York Field Office by an Iranian rouge agent.

Corruption & illegal activities involving US persons:

* Illegal payments to several elected officials in Congress; on going (1997-2002).
* Joint illegal activities between certain foreign agents (state & non-state) and US lobbying firms, government officials (Pentagon and the Department of State) and several elected officials. These activities include obtaining and passing highly classified and sensitive DOD documents & bribery and/or coercion of US individuals.
* Nuclear black market related activities carried out by certain foreign groups/lobbying firms/businesses/individuals & US persons (former & current US government employees and officials).

FBI: incompetence:
(Refer to DOJ-IG report confirming all & more)

* Hiring unqualified translators based on nepotism & cronyism, some of these translators did not even pass elementary English proficiency tests; some were granted Top Secret Clearance despite their highly questionable background.
* Language specialists charging the United States government for hours not worked and/or services not rendered (Fraudulent invoices, etc.)
* ...much more; please refer to the DOJ-IG Report

Source (http://www.911blogger.com/node/12241#comment-167166)


What will happen to her story?

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I'm assuming you've heard the name Sibel Edmonds (http://www.justacitizen.com/) before. Bradblog (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5197) covers the newest development:




What is it? According to the information gathered from her several appearances on alternative media, documentaries and so on, it is:




What will happen to her story?

It will get picked up by the BBC or CBC as they are not bound by any US gag order?

[WildCat]

It will get picked up by the BBC or CBC as they are not bound by any US gag order?
No media anywhere is bound by a gag order. Only Edmonds is, or so she claims.

Anyway, what I'm certain she won't say is "9/11 was an inside job!!11!".

[WildCat]

"Here's my promise to the American Public: If anyone of the major networks --- ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX --- promise to air the entire segment, without editing, I promise to tell them everything that I know," about everything mentioned above, she told us.
No network will honor that. What a bizarre requirement to get the "truth" out! Edmonds has been blabbing about this for years, but never actually says anything. She should just put up or shut up, and drop the drama queen act.

[Childlike Empress]

No network will honor that. What a bizarre requirement to get the "truth" out! Edmonds has been blabbing about this for years, but never actually says anything. She should just put up or shut up, and drop the drama queen act.


What? Drama Queen act? Babbling? Are you serious? Her story - let alone the beef of the whole fuzz - is extremely embarrasing for a country that's trying to justify wars with bringing democracy to the world, and she has support from a lot of groups from ACLU to right wing civil liberties organisations.

This is serious stuff.

[JoeEllison]

Sounds reasonable to me, if it is for real. Is you spill state secrets, you could find yourself being tortured "interviewed" by some less than nice people pretty much anywhere in the world. Might as well make it count, right.

[WildCat]

Sounds reasonable to me, if it is for real. Is you spill state secrets, you could find yourself being tortured "interviewed" by some less than nice people pretty much anywhere in the world. Might as well make it count, right.
Really? Can you give an example?

[WildCat]

What? Drama Queen act? Babbling? Are you serious? Her story - let alone the beef of the whole fuzz - is extremely embarrasing for a country that's trying to justify wars with bringing democracy to the world, and she has support from a lot of groups from ACLU to right wing civil liberties organisations.

This is serious stuff.
So why does she insist on such a ridiculous condition for her to be interviewed?

[MaGZ]

Just what is Sibel Edmonds story?

[Childlike Empress]

So why does she insist on such a ridiculous condition for her to be interviewed?


She is dubbed "the most gagged person in american history". She risks going to prison if she talks. She has to try this or flee the country. It's only reasonable to try confronting the MSM because her name and story is already well known, not only in the US but world-wide because of the documentary "Kill the Messenger", done by two french journalists.

[WildCat]

She is dubbed "the most gagged person in american history". She risks going to prison if she talks. She has to try this or flee the country. It's only reasonable to try confronting the MSM because her name and story is already well known, not only in the US but world-wide because of the documentary "Kill the Messenger", done by two french journalists.
First of all, where is the gag order? By what court? Because she seems to talk a lot...

[Pardalis]

* Information omitted & covered up regarding nuclear related information illegally obtained by certain foreign entities and US persons (government officials) from several US labs being sold to a certain Middle-Eastern group in the United States in 1998-2000. The operation involved individuals with Diplomatic cover, foreign Ph.D. students, and US employees.
* Information omitted & covered up regarding money laundering & narcotics operations, some of which involved entities from the Middle East and the Balkans, in several US cities.I wonder how that could be related to 9/11. :confused:

[WildCat]

I wonder how that could be related to 9/11. :confused:
Look at that list, she must have been Super Woman at the FBI, deeply involved in everything they ever investigated or did!

[Pardalis]

How long was she working for the FBI?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds#FBI_career

Six months.

[WildCat]

How long was she working for the FBI?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds#FBI_career

Six months.
That's plenty of time for the most-talkative gagged person ever to amass a gaggle of dirty secrets on every branch of government.

I can't wait until the 16-hour tell-all on live television, they'll certainly air it on every network. Probably pre-empt the Super Bowl for this story every American will want to watch.

[Pardalis]

She is cute though.

[Pardalis]

I wonder also how she will unravel what she knows... from memory?

I doubt she was allowed to take documents home while she was working there.

[WildCat]

I wonder also how she will unravel what she knows... from memory?
A satellite beams the information directly into a chip in her head.

[Childlike Empress]

First of all, where is the gag order? By what court? Because she seems to talk a lot...


Dont't even try that on me. I don't have time for games, kitty. Neighter do you.

[WildCat]

Dont't even try that on me. I don't have time for games, kitty. Neighter do you.
Either she's willing to talk or she isn't. What's with the conditions Childlike?

[Corsair 115]

It will get picked up by the BBC or CBC as they are not bound by any US gag order?I'm wondering the same thing.

It's worth noting the reverse has happened. There have been several instances in high profile criminal cases in Canada in which a publication ban was enacted by the presiding judge which prevented Canadian media outlets from reporting certain aspects of the legal proceedings. But this ban didn't apply to U.S. media who freely reported on the banned aspects of the cases.

[peptoabysmal]

That's plenty of time for the most-talkative gagged person ever to amass a gaggle of dirty secrets on every branch of government.

I can't wait until the 16-hour tell-all on live television, they'll certainly air it on every network. Probably pre-empt the Super Bowl for this story every American will want to watch.
LOL, the mini series will last longer than her career.

[Dr Adequate]

Just what is Sibel Edmonds story? Jooz did 9/11, now **** off.

We all hate you. Left, right, liberal, moderate, neocon, social democrat, libertarian, socialist, or frickin' Marxist, we all hate you and we'd laugh if we heard that you'd been run over by a bus.

Now **** off.

[WildCat]

I'm wondering the same thing.

It's worth noting the reverse has happened. There have been several instances in high profile criminal cases in Canada in which a publication ban was enacted by the presiding judge which prevented Canadian media outlets from reporting certain aspects of the legal proceedings. But this ban didn't apply to U.S. media who freely reported on the banned aspects of the cases.
Once again, there is no ban on any US media from reporting anything they want of this affair. Such a ban would be unprecedented and certainly unconstitutionsal. In fact, they'd be all over it if there was a "there" there.

What is certain is that no one will pick up the story with the ridiculous conditions Edmonds has put on it. But of course the conditions are just there so she can continue on with her martyr complex.

[Childlike Empress]

Luke Ryland, proprietor of the blogs Against All Enemies (http://lukery.blogspot.com/) and Let Sibel Edmonds Speak (http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/), discusses the story of former contract FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, her newly announced willingness to defy her gag order in order to get her story out, the stonewalling of the courts and the Congress, her credibility and accusations of criminal activities against various prominent Congressmen, cabinet members, neoconservatives, military industrial complex executives, and lobbyists for Israel and Turkey.


20071030, Antiwar Radio with Scott Horton: 42min, 10mb, .mp3 (http://wiredispatch.com/scott/07_10_30_ryland.mp3)

[Garrette]

Utter silliness. Childlike Empress, for you to call Wildcat's request for information on the gag order a game shows how vacuous is the claim.

Beyond that, it doesn't pass the sniff test:

Sibel Edmonds: I have been ordered not to spill the beans! No one has ever been under such stringent orders as I am under now! Therefore I will announce in front of the evil gubmint that issued those orders that I will defy them. DEFY THEM, I say!

And what does the evil gubmint do? Nothing. Heckuva gag order.

[Darth Rotor]

She is dubbed "the most gagged person in american history".
Maybe she should admit to herself that she's not Deep Throat.

On the other hand, why doesn't she do a Scheuer, and just write a book?

DR

(Yes, that was a foray into tasteless humor, combining the Watergate figure with the Linda Lovelace movie.)

[Darth Rotor]

Jooz did 9/11, now **** off.

We all hate you. Left, right, liberal, moderate, neocon, social democrat, libertarian, socialist, or frickin' Marxist, we all hate you and we'd laugh if we heard that you'd been run over by a bus.

Now **** off.
I would not laugh. If it were a school bus, the school district might get sued and run into worse than usual pecuniary strangulation.

DR

[Darth Rotor]

Utter silliness. Childlike Empress, for you to call Wildcat's request for information on the gag order a game shows how vacuous is the claim.

Beyond that, it doesn't pass the sniff test:

Sibel Edmonds: I have been ordered not to spill the beans! No one has ever been under such stringent orders as I am under now! Therefore I will announce in front of the evil gubmint that issued those orders that I will defy them. DEFY THEM, I say!

And what does the evil gubmint do? Nothing. Heckuva gag order.
So let's see, she had a TS/SI (and above) and the various versions of "Cleared for ridiculous" security clearance? After six months on the job?

Not buying it. The time it takes to get such clearances is longer than that, these days. I smell someone with a story to tell, but a bit of an overexaggerated sense of her self importance.

Still, I'd like to hear her story. Might be interesting.

DR

[dudalb]

Jooz did 9/11, now **** off.

We all hate you. Left, right, liberal, moderate, neocon, social democrat, libertarian, socialist, or frickin' Marxist, we all hate you and we'd laugh if we heard that you'd been run over by a bus.

Now **** off.

I bet if you had a poll of the JREF members as to the most obnoxious poster on JREF MaGz would win in a landslide.
I keep hoping he will step over the line and give the mods justification for kicking him off the site...which I am betting that a lot of the Mods really want to do.

[TruthByDecree]

Once again, there is no ban on any US media from reporting anything they want of this affair. Such a ban would be unprecedented and certainly unconstitutionsal. In fact, they'd be all over it if there was a "there" there.

What is certain is that no one will pick up the story with the ridiculous conditions Edmonds has put on it. But of course the conditions are just there so she can continue on with her martyr complex.

Who claimed the ban was on the media? The ban was on her to stop her from talking to the media and giving them something to report. It is also a retroactive gag order if I recall correctly originating straight from Ashcroft.

[Darth Rotor]

Who claimed the ban was on the media? The ban was on her to stop her from talking to the media and giving them something to report. It is also a retroactive gag order if I recall correctly originating straight from Ashcroft.
Is there a cite one can refer to to confirm this? A letter, a memo, something? 'Twould be most helpful in better understanding what her beef is.

I am still bound by law not to discuss a wide variety of things due to security regulations, and laws, and I signed papers noting that I agreed to that condition for me to have the clearances necessary.

I am curious as to what documentation she has regarding her access, lawful or otherwise, to sensitive information, and how, and who, classified that information in such a way.

DR

[dudalb]

JUst another individual who held a unimportant position in the Government trying to peddle a book.

[Childlike Empress]

Is there a cite one can refer to to confirm this? A letter, a memo, something? 'Twould be most helpful in better understanding what her beef is.

I am still bound by law not to discuss a wide variety of things due to security regulations, and laws, and I signed papers noting that I agreed to that condition for me to have the clearances necessary.

I am curious as to what documentation she has regarding her access, lawful or otherwise, to sensitive information, and how, and who, classified that information in such a way.

DR


I've linked to her website in the OP. She's got the relevant documents online:
http://www.justacitizen.com/JustaCitizen-Court_Files.htm

[Garrette]

Is there a cite one can refer to to confirm this? A letter, a memo, something? 'Twould be most helpful in better understanding what her beef is.Don't play games, Darth; this is too important an issue to waste time on that.


I am still bound by law not to discuss a wide variety of things due to security regulations, and laws, and I signed papers noting that I agreed to that condition for me to have the clearances necessary. It gets difficult, doesn't it, trying to remember what you can discuss based on knowing of it only from open sources and what you can't discuss based on it at one point somewhere having been discussed in a classified meeting? I imagine with your postings it affects you more than me.


I am curious as to what documentation she has regarding her access, lawful or otherwise, to sensitive information, and how, and who, classified that information in such a way.

DRThe DA Form 873 is not classified; I doubt the equivalent for Sibel would be. She should be able to make it available for perusal.[/quote]

[Pardalis]

I've linked to her website in the OP. She's got the relevant documents online:
http://www.justacitizen.com/JustaCitizen-Court_Files.htm

What does "quash" mean?

ETA: with a quick look, and with my layman knowledge of law, I didn't see anything relating to a gag order.

She seems to have been ordered not to ask specific questions pertaining to things the government deemed "state secret privileges", but where does it say that she can't speak of it outside the courtroom?

I see:

The district court correctly determined that dismissal is appropriate in this case because the plaintiff is not only unable to prove the prima facie elements of each of her claims without the disclosure of privileged information, but * * * the defendants are unable to assert valid defenses to her claims without such disclosure
http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/2005/0responses/2005-0190.resp.htmlSo, if I understand this correctly, she wasn't ordered to shut up, she just can't have access to the information to make her case. She can speak to the media, but she can't show proof.

Quite the conundrum

Maybe Lashl can comment on this.

[Tailgater]

She hasn't talked yet, and when she does, I bet it's like a movie where the only good parts are in the trailer.

Speaking of buses. If she was going to bring the whole government to it's knees, she would have been hit by one already.

[WildCat]

Who claimed the ban was on the media?
Gord In Toronto and Corsair 115 were speculating there was, probably because in Canada such things are done.

[corplinx]

I guess Coast to Coast AM wasn't high enough profile.

[LashL]

She is dubbed "the most gagged person in american history".

Oh noes! Not dubbed!

Someone could, for instance, dub you "the most silly and irrelevant German guy posing as a chick on the interwebs in American history". Would that make it true? Would that make it accurate?

She risks going to prison if she talks.

Really? Please provide evidence of any court order that supports this claim of yours. I have looked at the link you provided and there is nothing there that shows any such order.


She has to try this or flee the country.

Again, please provide evidence to support this claim. I haven't seen any so far.

It's only reasonable to try confronting the MSM because her name and story is already well known, not only in the US but world-wide because of the documentary "Kill the Messenger", done by two french journalists.


From your link, I do not see anything stopping her from talking to the media at this point other than her own insistence on ridiculous conditions. If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

[LashL]

ETA: with a quick look, and with my layman knowledge of law, I didn't see anything relating to a gag order.


That's probably because the link that Childlike provided does not include any evidence of any gag order against Ms. Edmonds.


She seems to have been ordered not to ask specific questions pertaining to things the government deemed "state secret privileges", but where does it say that she can't speak of it outside the courtroom?

Actually, from the documents at Childlike's link, that appears not to be the case, as Ms. Edmonds was not the subject of any such order. It appears that the plaintiffs in another case issued a subpoena to Ms. Edmonds for a deposition and the plaintiffs in that other case were ultimately subjected to an order that precludes them from asking certain questions of Ms. Edmonds (for the reasons set out in the order dismissing Ms. Edmonds' wrongful dismissal complaint).

Based on the evidence provided by Childlike so far, Ms. Edmonds appears not to be under any court order at all to refrain from talking. I have not gone further than the evidence provided by Childlike so far because it's his claim and his onus, but if Childlike provides evidence that purports to back up his claims, I will certainly look at it further and assess it in as much detail as is necessary.

;)

[LashL]

The ban was on her to stop her from talking to the media and giving them something to report.


Please provide evidence of a court order that bans Ms. Edmonds from speaking to the media. I have not, to date, seen any evidence of any such order.

It is also a retroactive gag order if I recall correctly originating straight from Ashcroft.

[bolding mine]

You do not recall correctly.

[gtc]

Where will we witness here spilling the beans?

Dont't even try that on me. I don't have time for games, kitty. Neighter do you.

Her story - let alone the beef of the whole fuzz - is extremely embarrasing for a country that's trying to justify wars with bringing democracy to the world, and she has support from a lot of groups from ACLU to right wing civil liberties organisations.

Could someone translate the bolded bits into English?

[LashL]

I've linked to her website in the OP. She's got the relevant documents online:



And nary a "gag order" among them.

[davefoc]

Add me to the list of the unimpressed.

If this woman has decided to make some great sacrifice and tell all in the face of the evil government bureaucracy working to keep her quiet, then her path is simple. Just tell all.

Anything else she does at this time suggests a heavy dose of exaggeration or just total BS is what is going on here.

[RAZEtheFLAG]

The Boston Globe

Translator in eye of storm on retroactive classification
By Anne E. Kornblut, Globe Staff | July 5, 2004

WASHINGTON -- Sifting through old classified materials in the days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, FBI translator Sibel Edmonds said, she made an alarming discovery: Intercepts relevant to the terrorist plot, including references to skyscrapers, had been overlooked because they were badly translated into English.

In a rare maneuver, Attorney General John Ashcroft has ordered that information about the Edmonds case be retroactively classified, even basic facts that have been posted on websites and discussed openly in meetings with members of Congress for two years.

''I'm alarmed that the FBI is reaching back in time and classifying information it provided two years ago," Senator Charles E. Grassley, a Republican from Iowa and a leading advocate for Edmonds, said last Friday. ''Frankly, it looks like an attempt to impede legitimate oversight of a serious problem at the FBI."

[LashL]

The Boston Globe...


It's nice that you signed up just to cut and paste a link to a newspaper story without offering anything at all in the way of facts, evidence, or even opinion, but do you have anything at all to say in response to posts 3, 4, 7, 8, 11, 20, 24, 26, 29, 40, 41, 42, or 44?

[Corsair 115]

Gord In Toronto and Corsair 115 were speculating there was, probably because in Canada such things are done.No, we were saying that, if there were such a ban for U.S. media, it wouldn't apply to media outside the United States so what would prevent the person from telling their story to media from Canada, Britain, or wherever.

[Pardalis]

WASHINGTON -- Sifting through old classified materials in the days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, FBI translator Sibel Edmonds said, she made an alarming discovery: Intercepts relevant to the terrorist plot, including references to skyscrapers, had been overlooked because they were badly translated into English.

According to her Wiki bio, she speaks Turkish, Persian and Azeri.

Weren't the hijackers speaking Arabic?

[Darth Rotor]

Don't play games, Darth; this is too important an issue to waste time on that.
One likes to see sources, rather than assertions, now and again. :)
It gets difficult, doesn't it, trying to remember what you can discuss based on knowing of it only from open sources and what you can't discuss based on it at one point somewhere having been discussed in a classified meeting? I imagine with your postings it affects you more than me.
Yep.
The DA Form 873 is not classified; I doubt the equivalent for Sibel would be. She should be able to make it available for perusal.[/QUOTE]
I was actually referring to the material she was exposed to, not the DA form. :) I can see where my sentence might be read the other way. I would guess that the FBI has forms similar to DA, DoN, or DoD forms for the same purposes. Not sure I want to browse the FBI.gov to find the precise form.

ETA: Ah, I note that she filled out an SF-86 back in 97-98, so she had time to get a clearance. So, my assessment of her clearance status was off. There was time for her to get the clearance for the job.

http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/sedmonds.html

That link is a good, reasonably dry, summary of what is going on. Her complaint that things were badly translated isn't surprising, people often make errors going from one language to another. IIRC, she (and others?) brought this up to the 9-11 Commission.

ETA2: The OIG seems to agree that the FBI did a sloppy job in looking into her concerns.

The majority of the allegations raised by Edmonds related to the actions of a co-worker. The allegations raised serious concerns that, if true, could potentially have extremely damaging consequences for the FBI. These allegations warranted a thorough and careful review by the FBI.

Our investigation concluded that the FBI did not, and still has not, adequately investigated these allegations. Our review also found that many - although not all - of Edmonds' allegations about the co-worker had some basis in fact. This evidence does not prove, and we are not suggesting, that there is sufficient evidence to conclude that espionage or any improper disclosures of FBI information occurred. However, we believe the FBI should have taken Edmonds' allegations more seriously and investigated them more thoroughly. As discussed in this report, the FBI's investigation of the information regarding the co-worker was significantly flawed. Had the FBI investigated the claims thoroughly, it would have found that many of Edmonds' allegations regarding the co-worker were supported by documentary evidence or other witnesses. Instead, the FBI seems to have discounted Edmonds' allegations, believing she was a disruptive influence and not credible, and eventually terminated her services. Even now, the FBI has not carefully investigated the allegations about the co-worker to determine if the co-worker compromised any FBI information. In light of the need for FBI vigilance about security issues, as demonstrated by the Hanssen case, we believe the FBI should have investigated these serious allegations more thoroughly.

Seems to me that the crux of the matter is the FOIA request to get some of the details referenced by the OIG report declassified. If Sibel Edmonds goes public with those details before the process is complete, then she is breaking the law, and the agreements she signed.

DR

[Childlike Empress]

It appears that the plaintiffs in another case issued a subpoena to Ms. Edmonds for a deposition and the plaintiffs in that other case were ultimately subjected to an order that precludes them from asking certain questions of Ms. Edmonds


Including her date of birth and the languages she speaks, you failed to mention back then. ;)

She's written her memoirs Classified Woman (http://www.amazon.com/Classified-Woman-The-Sibel-Edmonds-Story/dp/0615602223/) now and the story has really developed into something completely kafkaesk, far more profound than the initial espionage and self-enrichment she discovered in the translation unit of the FBI back in 2002.

In this startling new memoir, Sibel Edmonds—the most classified woman in U.S. history—takes us on a surreal journey that begins with the secretive FBI and down the dark halls of a feckless Congress to a stonewalling judiciary and finally, to the national security whistleblowers movement she spearheaded. Having lived under Middle East dictatorships, Edmonds knows firsthand what can happen when government is allowed to operate in secret. Hers is a sobering perspective that combines painful experience with a rallying cry for the public’s right to know and to hold the lawbreakers accountable. With U.S. citizens increasingly stripped of their rights in a calibrated media blackout, Edmonds’ story is a wake-up call for all Americans who, willingly or unwillingly, traded liberty for illusive security in the wake of 9/11.


In a two-and-a-half hour radio interview she shares what happened with us and Peter B. Collins: Part One (http://peterbcollins.com/2012/05/02/free-podcast-part-i-of-exclusive-2-part-interview-with-sibel-edmonds-on-her-book-classified-woman/) | Part Two (http://peterbcollins.com/2012/05/04/free-podcast-part-ii-of-eclusive-interview-with-sibel-edmonds-on-her-new-book-classified-woman/)

Take note, Americans. That's a broken system. :(

[Sword_Of_Truth]

She's written her memoirs Classified Woman (http://www.amazon.com/Classified-Woman-The-Sibel-Edmonds-Story/dp/0615602223/) now and the story has really developed into something completely kafkaesk,

I hope for her sake this means she's turned into a giant cockroach.

Because at this point, that's about the only way this self-centered attention whore will get what she craves.

[Childlike Empress]

I hope for her sake this means she's turned into a giant cockroach.

Because at this point, that's about the only way this self-centered attention whore will get what she craves.


Someone that unwilling to shut up and insistent on taking the system as it's presented must be very hard to stomach for an authoritarian mindset of a believer wearing funny underwear, so I can understand your distasteful outburst.

[BenBurch]

I know what she is going to say, and she is a really convincing person if you talk to her, but she can actually prove very little of what she has to say. None of it is "911 was an inside jobbie-job."

If I understand what I have heard over the years, she basically says that intelligence was too compartmentalized and too politicized and important data was lost and that after it happened people tried to sweep that ugly fact under the rug.

[WildCat]

If I understand what I have heard over the years, she basically says that intelligence was too compartmentalized and too politicized and important data was lost and that after it happened people tried to sweep that ugly fact under the rug.
So she's parroting the 9/11 Commission report.

[BenBurch]

So she's parroting the 9/11 Commission report.

Yes, but making the point that some of the more (allegedly) embarrassing things were left out of that. Without, as I say, much actual proof.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Someone that unwilling to shut up and insistent on taking the system as it's presented must be very hard to stomach for an authoritarian mindset of a believer wearing funny underwear, so I can understand your distasteful outburst.

First, you're a resident of the former east germany who openly shills for the former head of the east german KGB. Your complaining about authoritarians rings hollow.

Second, as Wildcat pointed out on the preceding page of this thread 5 years ago, for the "most gagged woman in America", Edmonds just doesn't seem to shut the @#$% up. She made a living for a brief period by telling people she had a card to play and was about to play it. That's never a path to long term prosperity.

Third, I'm wearing Hanes™.

[Childlike Empress]

The cliff notes:

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[Orphia Nay]

Including her date of birth and the languages she speaks, you failed to mention back then. ;)

She's written her memoirs Classified Woman (http://www.amazon.com/Classified-Woman-The-Sibel-Edmonds-Story/dp/0615602223/) now and the story has really developed into something completely kafkaesk, far more profound than the initial espionage and self-enrichment she discovered in the translation unit of the FBI back in 2002.




In a two-and-a-half hour radio interview she shares what happened with us and Peter B. Collins: Part One (http://peterbcollins.com/2012/05/02/free-podcast-part-i-of-exclusive-2-part-interview-with-sibel-edmonds-on-her-book-classified-woman/) | Part Two (http://peterbcollins.com/2012/05/04/free-podcast-part-ii-of-eclusive-interview-with-sibel-edmonds-on-her-new-book-classified-woman/)

Take note, Americans. That's a broken system. :(

For a "gagged" woman, she sure talks a lot. :oldroll:

[UnrepentantSinner]

For a "gagged" woman, she sure talks a lot. :oldroll:

No poop. Though I wonder if the veil of silence around her extends to her sales on Amazon.com

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #997 in Books

Hmmm, I guess not.

[Sam.I.Am]

I'm just curious who Ms. Edmonds or her supporters think was the second most gagged woman in American history. I mean in order to make that claim they must have an ordered list of at least the top ten (meaning her and the next nine women if their claim is correct).

I'm guessing that the top 100 actual "most gagged" women never actually talked about it and that Ms. Edmonds isn't even on that list. I'm also pretty sure that none of them wrote a book on how gagged they were and included what they were gagged from saying in the first place.

[Childlike Empress]

To those who still vote in the poll: Nobody took her offer and indeed she left the country as i've predicted. She returned after Dubya was gone, looking for that mythical "change".

[WildCat]

I'm just curious who Ms. Edmonds or her supporters think was the second most gagged woman in American history.
Sasha Grey?

[UnrepentantSinner]

To those who still vote in the poll: Nobody took her offer and indeed she left the country as i've predicted. She returned after Dubya was gone, looking for that mythical "change".

Apart from the fact that no one took her seriously, have any of her or your claims or predictions come true since 2007?

I mean, this is a skeptics website afterall and if one thinks one has some sort of prescience based on soopur seekrit knowledge or insight other skeptic ostensibly lack, one should be able to provide evidence that the person one supports is doing more than talking out of their ass and being ignored by media sources for that reason rather than the fact that she was talking out her ass.

Time to put up or shut up.

[Childlike Empress]

Curiously uncurious pseudo-skeptics are not my target audience. There's enough information here to clue yourself up about a topic you obviously know nothing about. Take it or leave it.

[Childlike Empress]

Apart from the fact that no one took her seriously


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:rolleyes:

[Mooseman]

I am surprised she is still around pushing this stuff. All over the 9/11 pages years ago.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

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:rolleyes:

Why is it that you people are incapable of speaking any other language than youtube?

Is it really that hard to find a list of important or notable persons who support Edmonds and copy & paste here in text form so that we can tell at a glance whether she should be taken seriously?

[Childlike Empress]

What's with the whining? This isn't something to be partisan about.

The book is shooting up the amazon sales rank - now at #458. Let's hope it's not the FBI buying the whole stock like in the case of Anthony Shaffer. ;)

Yesterday on RT:

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While the 2007 offers to the US MSM were refused, there was a series of articles in UK media, I think it was Times of London, although she wasn't willing to face the consequences for disclosing anything classified with the home audience staying in the dark. And the French were informed about the basics even before I started this thread - saw in the related videos to the RT report above that the french documentary "Kill the Messenger", from 2006, is up on youtube in full:

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[Brainster]

What's with the whining? This isn't something to be partisan about.

The book is shooting up the amazon sales rank - now at #458. Let's hope it's not the FBI buying the whole stock like in the case of Anthony Shaffer. ;)

Yesterday on RT:

It's the same old song and dance from Sibel; long on allegations, short on specifics. As I said years ago, she's a hootchie-kootchie dancer; you always swear she's about to reveal something and yet somehow she never quite does.

[NoZed Avenger]

I'm just curious who Ms. Edmonds or her supporters think was the second most gagged woman in American history.

Sasha Grey?

My money's on Betty Page.

[BenBurch]

Sasha Grey?

:D Is there a drool smilie?