Taking advantage of Alex Jones

[qarnos]

That is the title of a thread by Mark Dice (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=18677) at LCF, where he chastises those truthers who have downloaded Alex Jones' Endgame without also purchasing a copy. Apparently,

Unless your rent check is going to bounce, or you are unemployed, and you watched endgame on google video, and you didn't purchase a copy, you are taking advantage of alex jones.

It's OK, though. Alex doesn't mind.

I was wondering if he was going to allow it on google video, and aparently he has, and he just said on air that it killed sales.

My heart bleeds. He continues:

Is final cut going to be available on google video for free? Should it be? Should alex and dylan spend all their money on a film to put it out for free? People bitch and moan that i should give my book away for free if the info is so important. The nerve of some zombies.

Still not convinced? How about a guilt trip:

we have a bunch of cheap skate key board jockeys who expect everything for free, and who don't support researchers and expect everything for free. Are YOU one of these people?

OK, where do I sign?

[Caper]

I may have to go over there and registar... and then get banned.

[MetalliSociety]

OH my goodness, a bunch of chronic liars and fabricators don't get their money! Serioulsly, who cares if the can't buy anouther high def TV or computer monitor? It's all blood money, and they should be ashamed.

[uruk]

See? It' all about the benjamins. Getting the truth out takes a back seat to commercialisim.

All those bat rastards can go broke for all I care.

The trooth movement is finally degenerating down to who can squeeze the most bucks off the gullible. Good riddance.

[kimota]

Well, sure, haven't you heard "Freedom is not free"? Evidently, it's $19.95 plus S&H.

[timhau]

I just love the way they throw around words like 'research' and 'researcher'.

[JAStewart]

Any information as groundbreaking as they think theirs is SHOULD BE FREE: THATS HOW YOU SPREAD THE MESSAGE!

BUT a scam works like this:

WE HAVE AMAZING TRUTHES*
IT WILL BE GROUNDBRACKING
IT WILL CHANGE THE WERLD
It'll cost you at least £15 + VAT + Postage
+ Upgrade to limited edition signed copy for an extra £25.

*may not be the truth.

[Monza]

There's a price you pay when your target audience are outcast 15-year old boys.

[dudalb]

I am torn between my hatred and contempt for Jones,and my dislike of film piracy.
I guess it is a case of "A Plague On Both Your Houses" once again.

[dudalb]

There's a price you pay when your target audience are outcast 15-year old boys.


Bingo..the age group which thinks they are being ripped off if they have to pay for a film,music,etc,since they are so used to pirate it.

[rwguinn]

I am torn between my hatred and contempt for Jones,and my dislike of film piracy.
I guess it is a case of "A Plague On Both Your Houses" once again.

What dudalb said.
Kinda like watching a ND/OU football game. Can they both lose?

[DGM]

Anybody want to guess (A)how long it will be until LCFC ends up on Google? Than (B) how long after that does Dylan blow a gasket?

A-Nov.12 (within 24 hrs. of release)
B-Minutes

[Drudgewire]

If it makes them feel any better, I didn't download it. Couldn't even be bothered to watch it for free. :p

[TriskettheKid]

I'd guess that LCFC is up within a mere TWELVE hours of release.

Dylan will not make a response on the forums until people start talking about watching it for free. Thus, his post where he will blow a gasket will not appear until after a full 24 hours post-release.

And the funny thing is that had he somehow managed to get his film released via a Hollywood connection, it would have been leaked ages ago.

[Plantfoam]

Unless your rent check is going to bounce, or you are unemployed, and you watched endgame on google video, and you didn't purchase a copy, you are taking advantage of alex jones.

Isn't that most of them anyways?[/mostlikelycorrectsteroetype]

[CptColumbo]

Given that much of the footage in Loose Change is taken from other sources and only the narration, an interview and graphics are original, does Dylan et al really have a case to have it pulled from any of the various video sites?

Assuming that the FC is not radically different from the 2nd edition.

[Redtail]

[Troof-lation] "Look people, the government was behind 9/11 and we can prove it and all we ask is that you pay us for this proof!! You say you care about the victims yet you can't pony up the cash to pay us!?!??! What would those 3,000 and thousands of other family members say if they knew we weren't getting paid!?!?" [/troof-lation]

[CptColumbo]

Can I pay in "Twoofer Bucks?"

[T.A.M.]

Do we have "my heart bleeds" or "playing the worlds smallest fiddle" smilies anywhere?

TAM:)

:v:

[dudalb]

Given that much of the footage in Loose Change is taken from other sources and only the narration, an interview and graphics are original, does Dylan et al really have a case to have it pulled from any of the various video sites?

Assuming that the FC is not radically different from the 2nd edition.


If he does not use copyrighted material without permission, yes,he does have grounds for copyright violation.
To be fair, even to a total buttwipe like Dylan, a lot of documentaries use only narration,graphics and interview as original material and are are protected under copyright. Ken Burns "The War" is a good example.
It pains me to have to say anything favorable to Dylan,but he would be well within his rights here.
Now if he was using copyrighted stuff without permission, he might have his case thrown out since a great many judges have a "clean hands" policy,which means you cannot sue somebody if you have done the same thing yourself.

[Drudgewire]

Do we have "my heart bleeds" or "playing the worlds smallest fiddle" smilies anywhere?

TAM:)

:v:

[CptColumbo]

If he does not use copyrighted material without permission, yes,he does have grounds for copyright violation.
To be fair, even to a total buttwipe like Dylan, a lot of documentaries use only narration,graphics and interview as original material and are are protected under copyright. Ken Burns "The War" is a good example.
It pains me to have to say anything favorable to Dylan,but he would be well within his rights here.
Now if he was using copyrighted stuff without permission, he might have his case thrown out since a great many judges have a "clean hands" policy,which means you cannot sue somebody if you have done the same thing yourself.
IIRC the Naudet brothers forced them to remove most of their footage, and they are using the opening to Joe's Apartment for their opening.

[dudalb]

IIRC the Naudet brothers forced them to remove most of their footage, and they are using the opening to Joe's Apartment for their opening.

I knew about the Naudet brother fiasco,that is why I qualified my statement about Dylan's copyright rights.

[Reality Believer]

Alex stated publicly that he encourages downloading and copying. Said it on Coast to Coast the other night.

[Jonnyclueless]

As if he could actually sell the stuff..

[qarnos]

Alex stated publicly that he encourages downloading and copying. Said it on Coast to Coast the other night.

He also said it's killing sales.

Looks like he's trying to have his cake and eat it, too.

[quixotecoyote]

Do we have "my heart bleeds" or "playing the worlds smallest fiddle" smilies anywhere?

TAM:)


:v:

Try : v:

[dudalb]

He also said it's killing sales.

Looks like he's trying to have his cake and eat it, too.



It makes no sense to offer a film free for download,then bitch about not beinf able to sell copies of it.
He can't have it both ways. But then no one has ever accused Jones of an excess of logic or rationality.

[Drudgewire]

Looks like he's trying to have his cake and eat it, too.
Right after doing both to an entire turkey. :D

[sesshin]

I can pretty much guarantee the torrent for LC:FC will be online immediately upon release. ;) All we'll need is for a bunch of people to seed it to get it going strong.

I personally want Dylan to make as little money off this as possible. I might have wished better for him if we would have said he was donating all of the proceeds to charity, but he didn't so I'm not.

[qarnos]

It makes no sense to offer a film free for download,then bitch about not beinf able to sell copies of it.
He can't have it both ways. But then no one has ever accused Jones of an excess of logic or rationality.

Yup. If he doesn't allow people to download it for free, it brings his motives into question. So he adopts the "real truther" approach. Sure, you can download it for free, but a real truther would support the movement by paying for it.

I expect Dylan to take a similar approach.

[Redtail]

omg, look at those mind numbing videos surrounding Endgame.

Does anyone have a really really BIG laughing dog?

[OldTigerCub]

Does anyone have a really really BIG laughing dog?

:dl: :dl: :dl: :dl:

Nope. Laughing dog only comes in one size, but I have plenty to spare if you want a few spares. :D

[Cl1mh4224rd]

http://www.natehales.com/laughingDog.jpg

Huh? Huh?

[Foolmewunz]

Right after doing both to an entire turkey. :D

I concur. Alex doesn't look like he's missed a lot of meals (especially the cake).

:spjimlad::spjimlad:

[Bell]

Does anyone have a really really BIG laughing dog?

http://forums.randi.org/images/smilies/doglaugh.gif

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I am torn between my hatred and contempt for Jones,and my dislike of film piracy.
I guess it is a case of "A Plague On Both Your Houses" once again.

My opinion on the pseudo-truth movement remains unchanged. It is in effect indistinguishable from an enemy psyops or propaganda campaign.

It exists for the sole pourpose of convincing us that the enemy does not exist. If the troofers are successful in what they have said they aren't trying to do, then there will be no one to stop the next Al-Queada attack because everyone will be too busy looking through Dick Cheneys sock drawer.

Whereas Alex Jones actions are indistinguishable from a willing, knowing enemy sympathizer in a time of war, denying him income is not immoral. He himself is an "enemy of the republic". Denying the enemy material support is the DUTY of all citizens be they active servicemen or civilians.

Put more crudely; Screw that Osama-@#$%-sucking terrorist lover.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Put more crudely; Screw that Osama-@#$%-sucking terrorist lover.

Could you be more precise?

:)

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Oh no! Alex Jones is losing sales on his deformed mutant baby of a film!

In other news... Hollywood script writers are going on strike. Not like there's a million out of work struggling script writers in Hollywood waiting for their big break. Nevermind that 90% of the tripe that comes out of Hollywood is worth what they get paid...

Where did I put the world's smallest violin?

ETA: :v:

[8den]

Guys you're not looking at the bigger picture. If Dylan doesn't sell enough copies he's never going to be able to donate those millions to the victim's families.

Right? I mean thats why he's doing this, right? For the families, and to get the truth out?


Right?

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Guys you're not looking at the bigger picture. If Dylan doesn't sell enough copies he's never going to be able to donate those millions to the victim's families.

Right? I mean thats why he's doing this, right? For the families, and to get the truth out?


Right?

Anytime someone says "BUY THIS and we'll donate proceeds..." I say "Why don't I just donate and skip the middle man?"

Besides. Buying Dylan film would be like "Buy some Heroin, and we'll donate the proceeds to a drug rehab center for lost puppies."

[leftysergeant]

Ever notice the way that twoofers jump up and down and shriek that we are being paid by the government to spread lies about them? They think we are motivated by monetary gain because that is, for a lot of them, the main reason for what they do. If they were doing it for the noble reasons they claim, they would not whine about losing money. They would be putting their money to use to get the twoof out there. Getting your stuff cloned and downloaded means that you are doing what you claim to have set out to do.

Screw the mercenaries. Download it and share it. This is war. Loose Screws is the enemy.

[boloboffin]

"Thou shalt not muzzle the ox as it treads out the grain."

All religions need justification for a tithing system.

[CHF]

People bitch and moan that i should give my book away for free if the info is so important.

Makes sense to me. I mean twoofers claim to have evidence that will save the world from further 9/11s as well as a fascist NWO take-over. Surely that info should be free.

The nerve of some zombies.

Great rebuttal, Mark.

[1337m4n]

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