All white people are racist (according to U of Delaware )

[KoihimeNakamura]

No i'm not backing down. A few people engaging in miscegenation might seem relatively harmless, but if everyone did it it would lead to the genocide of the races soon followed by their extinction.

You mean 'pure' here.


Who says its impossible to find a strict biological criteria for race? This claim that race is a social construct is a relatively new one and it is this claim that is the social construct. Race is a genetic fact and it is obvious from the look of a person what there race is, if you can't tell with someone it's probably because they are mixed.
Race; subspecies: (biology) a taxonomic group that is a division of a species; usually arises as a consequence of geographical isolation within a species

It should be noted that the 'races' in humanity are typically not, they don't really meet the criteria for being a subspecies. (However, I'm not sure.)

In any case, I really can't distiqnusih between people of various Asian nationalities... but I'ms ure you've got an idea for that.

It is against nature because it doesn't happen in nature and if God had only wanted one race which is what will happen if everyone becomes a misegenationist he would have only created the one race to begin with! He didn't, so he obvious favors and wants racial diversity, something you can't maintain if you engage in miscegenation.

Begging the question "God exists" and then it becomes circular logic.

[LostAngeles]

XenonII, I need your help.

See, I need to avoid this sin of miscegenation. I want to preserve my culture, my ethnicity, but I'm stuck.

Where can I find an English-Scottish-Welsh-Irish-African-Korean-American with whom to share my culture and not engage in filthy race-mixing? If I don't have babies, can I **** the rainbow?

I do want to taste the rainbow... Will God allow that or will he smite my filthy sinful honey-colored ass?

[KoihimeNakamura]

Just as women should be wary around "strange men" so should whites be vigilante and on their guard around non-whites, particularly when around blacks that subscribe to the "gangsta" lifestyle, a group which has a tendency to commit crime at rates massively out of proportion to their numbers. Only the illegal Mexican immigrant gives blacks a run for their money in this regard.

Uhm. Aryan Brotherhood.

Blacks make up approximately 12.6% of the US population, a percentage that is gradually decreasing because these people commit 37% of all abortions, so much for the neo-con barefaced lie that blacks are "socially conseravtive".
.... I dunno, do you think someone should have children they cannot support?


That must be why they almost singlehandly keep the baby butchering mills running and why over 90% of them consistently vote Democrat, "conservative" my butt! It's time for Conservatives to grow some balls and stop making excuses for immoral black behavior, and place the blame squarely where the problem lies. Blacks are responsible fo their own behavior just like anyone else, it is not the fault of whites, liberal or otherwise.
...okay?

Despite making up only 12.6% of the population they commit over 50% of the crime, and it is not because of the excuse liberals would have you believe that it's all the fault of poverty (as if being poor was ever a valid excuse in the first place to break the law!). It is far more to do with a sub-culture that glorifies crime and wrong doing and a group where illegitimate births and single parent households are the norm.

Assertion, post hoc ergo prompter hoc, ad hom, and well..

got any proof?

Children need both a mother and father, that is the best circumstances to raise a child and that is the natural order, and a boy raised without a father is much more likely to be a criminal and/or a homosexual.

Studies (that you apparently dont' read, how's that sand?) refute this.

You put a child with a homosexual "couple" to raise as a "family" and that is paramount to child abuse! That child will grow up to be confused, will grow up being taught that rather than homosexuality being an abominable sin worthy of death, it is not only normal and right but is better than heterosexuality, and as a result of this wicked indoctrination is far more likely to choose that lifestyle.

Studies refute that, and do you have any other proof besides totally random assertions?


In the USA, blacks are also more than five times as likely to go to jail, reflecting the seriousness of the crimes this group perpitrates. They are also more than 30 times likely to have AIDS than a white heterosexual and world wide, over 92% of all AIDS cases are amongst Africans, which just goes to show you the type of reckless lifestyles that many of these people lead.

.. there are probably other reasons. :rolleyes:

The problem within the black community is not that many of them define themselves by their race and then build a culture around that to form their own racial identity, as that is an important part of many peoples identity and each race has its own distinctive culture and heritage. No, the problem is these blacks create a negative culture as the basis of their racial identity rather than a positive one. They would be much better off, as would society as a whole, if more of them would make the effort to assimilate fully into Western society by abandoning multiculturalism and adopting the culture of the Western society in which they live.


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[Prometheus]

I'm a newbie here, so please forgive me if I've missed something, but I've read through all 7 pages of this thread, and I can't find anything resembling a coherent definition of "race". How can you even begin to discuss "racism" without one? Is it a genetic distinction? If so, exactly how much and/or in which ways can two people's genes differ and still be members of the same "race". If race is genetic, then how does it make sense to describe races via skin-color. DNA analysis has proven that there's more genetic diversity within the dark-skinned populations of Africa than in the rest of the world's population combined. Most Recent Common Ancestor research has found that there's been so much inter-breeding that any individual who lived more than about a thousand years ago, and has any living decendants today, is an ancestor to everyone now living. Since there are known members of each so-called "race" that qualify, that means that if "race" is hereditary, then every one of us is of mixed "race".

There is demonstrably not a linguistic, religious, geographic, or cultural delineation that holds up under scrutiny. Try one out; I don't think it will be long before several members here rip it to shreds.

So what, exactly, is everyone here talking about?

[quixotecoyote]

Most of us are saying the same thing you are.

[slingblade]

Promethius, welcome to the forum!

And yeah. We know. Well, some of us do, anyway. :D

[flimflam_machine]

The funny thing about all this XenonII is not just that your views are so abhorrent (ok so that's funny 'peculiar' rather than funny 'haha') but that you are so completely... well... wrong, on so many counts!

For example:

So different breeds of dog breed in nature? I don't think so and even if they did it wouldn't make it right as it's obvious that what would be most natural would be a dog to breed with the same breed and not another breed.You "don't think so"? Would you like to tell that to my very nice springer spaniel - border collie cross? See you're just wrong. Also, before you were trying to use the fact that it "doesn't happen in nature" as a justification for humans not doing it, now you say that even if it did happen in nature "it wouldn't make it right." You can't have it both ways.

The breeds of dog analogy seems pretty good to me. Different phenotypes of the same species that are still able to interbreed (they are after all the same species, just like all humans). Also have a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_vigor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding_depression

And for an example of something in humans, try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle_cell


If all dogs breeded with others and such a thing was possible it would lead to mass extinctions.It is possible, and it doesn't lead to "mass extinction", since (from wikipedia) extinction means "In biology and ecology extinction is the cessation of existence of a species". Because all domestic dogs are the same species (regardless of breed) in the same way that all humans are the same species (regardless of race), inter-breed/inter-racial procreation actually produces more of the species, not fewer. Again, just wrong.

As a more general issue, as has been nicely pointed out (Welcome Prometheus! Mind that liver!), you don't have a decent definition of race. For this reason, and many many others, your arguments are just tosh.

[XenonII]

Liberals don't have a decent argument that race doesn't exist after claiming the exact opposite for hundreds of years. They are often quick to label their opponents as racists but how can they be if race no longer exists? How long before anyone that refuses to be indoctrinated into this new communist denial of reality is branded a racist for mearly stating the obvious that race exists? Race is a real as a persons sex.

A real racist is someone who hates a whole group of people based upon nothing more than their race and for their mere existence, wants to unjustly discriminate against them and ultimately wants to wipe them out. One of the ways to wipe out a race, and the politically correct way to do it, is through miscegenation which if followed through to its logical conclusion will result in the extinction of distinct races. When a subspecies no longer exists it has become extinct. (and yes when a sub-species goes extinct that is still an extinction I don't believe in this evolution nonsense, I don't believe you can just evolve them back into existence again over time, I dont believe the Earth is 6 million years old or any of that clap trap, 6 thousand would be more like it). A racist is NOT someone who recognizes that racial differences exist and sometimes those racial differences are not always politically correct such as differences in intelligence something that has been known about for a while but is pretty much hushed up and denied nowadays so as not to offend, nor is it someone who holds those in different races accountable for their behavior and criticises negative aspects of their culture.

I can't understand how anyone could think that opposition to miscegenation is racist when miscegenation is an act of racial genocide and followed through to its logical collusion will see the extinction of the races? Miscegenation is an extremely racist behavior with few equals. When a person who has racially pure parents then goes with another race they are saying that the way their parents are and the relationship that they have chosen is wrong and they don't want that for their children. That is highly disrespectful and an absurd rebellion against God and family. I don't get race deniers they seem as repugnant to me as holocaust deniers. You people are trying to steal something from us that is very dear to us, you are trying to rob us of our identity and kinship, culture, achievements, you name it!

Race is an obvious phenomenon and the races are genetically different. This is something that has been well established and can't be denied. Race is not a myth it is a reality. To claim race doesn't exist is like claiming the Earth is flat or the Sun revolves around the Earth. At the very least it is a subspecies but it maybe a different species of human because you also have ethnicties such as Arabs and Hispanics of the main races and i've never heard of sub-subspecies. It doesn't matter how small the genetic difference is between races as there is only small genetical differences between humans and chimpanzees but there is still massive differences between the two species. Race is immediately obvious, who can't tell the difference between a white man, an Asian and an African? Each looks completely different from the other and each has his own languages and cultures and geographical locality (before all this forced integration nonsense started up but its only white people that are being forced into accepting mass immigration no one else is funny that!). Did you know the Jews are very keen for white countires to be all mutlicultural but they don't want that for Israel? They want to keep their own country just for themselves, well isn;t that just sooooo hypocritcal of them but certainly not suprising, many other non-white countries feel EXACTLY the same and NO ONE is putting any pressure on them whatsoever to change and no one is branding them racist for ensuring their countries maintain racial integrity either its amazing, if only white people could have the same rights as everyone else the world would be a much better place! Whatever happened to the right of freedom of association? The so-called civil rights movement killed it. You no longer have the right to associate with who you please you must except forced multiracialism whether you like it or not. Blacks had exactly the same rights BEFORE the civil rights movement as everyone else btw what a scam that was! Isi Leibler is a jewish leader in melbourne australia who is a staunch supporter of white countries embracing the liberal dogma of multicultralism but not Israel he has said "This is a country which was set up and created as a Jewish country for the Jews, the policy has no place in Israel", well following that logic, America was set up as a white Christian nation and should have remained so, we would certainly be in much better shape now if it had. So dogs breed with other breeds within nature. OK that's hardly normal and I expect most of that is done in captivity and just because it happens in nature doesn't make it's right for humans to do it. For instance animals sometimes engage in cannibalism but I don't hear even liberals saying because cannibalism is natural because animals do it that makes it OK for humans as well? Frankly we are not animals, animals act on instinct but humans have much more complex thought processes and we should not be comparing humans which are not animals with animals. If everyone breeded with everyone else there would be no racial diversity, there would be no white people, Asians or Africans. There would be just one mongrel race of browns. How boring! Now why would God want that? If he wanted that he could have just created that to begin with but he didn't. He created the different races and there is beauty and uniqueness within each race and there is NOTHING wrong whatsoever with preserving that diversity that God has created and in fact we should at all costs preserve what God has created and those that disagree are eugenics supporters and no better than Nazis who wanted to annihilate all non-white races! You just want to do the same through cross breading. Genocide via the bedroom chamber is as long lasting as genocide via the gas chamber. Genocide is genocide. To extinct peoples, it doesn't really matter if it came with guns and frowns or with sex and smiles. You must fear the white race if you want to destroy it. Miscegenation is a sin. I don't care if most Christians are now revisionists and just because of societal pressure have decided to reinterpretate what the Bible has to say. They are wrong and they are cowards. They have put political correctness before Biblical truth and that is absoutely dispacable. As the Bible changed since it was written? NO! These things are still a sin whether people are willing to recognize them or not. You can call race mixing good, you can call the homosexual lifestyle not a sin but these things always will be and God will always seem them as such no matter what a nation in defiance of its creator has to say. Man is not God and I will take his world over societies any day.

[flimflam_machine]

Liberals don't have a decent argument that the well established concept of race doesn't exist. For years they have been branding us Conservatives racists but how can we be "racist" if race no longer exists?Because you are arguing for discrimination or segregation based on what you believe are the differences between "races". The problem is that you have no decent definition of "race" that actually stands up to rigorous (genetic, physiological etc.) scrutiny. All you say is "it's obvious" by which you mean "I know it when I see it." Which essentially is a solid proof of what everyone else already knows i.e., that you are arguing from a position of pure, unreconstructed prejudice, and that you basically don't like people who "aren't like you."

If everyone breeded with everyone else there would be no racial diversity, there would be no white people, Asians or Africans. There would be just one mongrel race of browns. How boring! Now why would God want that? If he wanted that he could have just created that to begin with but he didn't.So you know what God wants do you? plz to be explaning the following: cot death, the boxing day tsunami, famine, pain disease etc. etc. etc. Also God didn't create computers in the beginning did he? They're one of our creations, are you sure you're comfortable typing away at that godless machine there?

He created the different races and there is beauty and uniquness within each race and there is NOTHING wrong whatsoever with preserving that diversity that God has created and we should at all costs and those that disagree are eugenic supporters and no better than Nazis who wanted to annihilate all non-white races!Yay! [Godwin]! I'm done with you XenonII, you've retreated into baseless assertion and simply spouting your vitriolic prejudice all over the screen, and there's nothing that will convince you that you're wrong. Bye now.

[LostAngeles]

Xenon!

I need your help! Please help me protect my race from the filthy act of miscegenation! Don't ignore my earlier pleas! Help your fellow Child of God out!

XenonII, I need your help.

See, I need to avoid this sin of miscegenation. I want to preserve my culture, my ethnicity, but I'm stuck.

Where can I find an English-Scottish-Welsh-Irish-African-Korean-American with whom to share my culture and not engage in filthy race-mixing? If I don't have babies, can I **** the rainbow?

I do want to taste the rainbow... Will God allow that or will he smite my filthy sinful honey-colored ass?

[XenonII]

Because you are arguing for discrimination or segregation based on what you believe are the differences between "races". The problem is that you have no decent definition of "race" that actually stands up to rigorous (genetic, physiological etc.) scrutiny. All you say is "it's obvious" by which you mean "I know it when I see it." Which essentially is a solid proof of what everyone else already knows i.e., that you are arguing from a position of pure, unreconstructed prejudice, and that you basically don't like people who "aren't like you."

So you know what God wants do you? plz to be explaning the following: cot death, the boxing day tsunami, famine, pain disease etc. etc. etc. Also God didn't create computers in the beginning did he? They're one of our creations, are you sure you're comfortable typing away at that godless machine there?

Yay! [Godwin]! I'm done with you XenonII, you've retreated into baseless assertion and simply spouting your vitriolic prejudice all over the screen, and there's nothing that will convince you that you're wrong. Bye now.

I'm still working on my response. Those 2 hour time limits are a killer and mine is nearly up! If you want to know what God wants its simple, just look in the Bible. I do not dislike anyone for ANY reason and certainly not for being a different race to myself. As a Christian, I love all peoples of all races of humanity. Just out of interest, why is the belief that race exists prejudiced but the belief that it doesn't not? Aren't people allowed to have a differing point of view without being slandered. I don't support segregation either. I am against multicultralism. I believe all people living in Western countries should adopt that countries culture to assimilate themselves into their host country properly. What I don't agree with is interracial marriage. I believe that people should stick to their own race when it comes to procreation. Genocide is genocide whether it occurs in the gas chamber or the bedroom.

Well i've missed the deadline now responding to other posts! :rolleyes: I will have to write it all out in notepad and then post it when it's finished (and I will do it at my leisure for once! this is a VERY important subject and liberals after years of denying there's no such thing as racial differences and anyone who says otherwise is a filthy racist are now claiming that race itself doesn't even exist, it is laughable!) and get that crappy unfinished post above deleted when it's done! Other forums allow you to delete your own posts but not here, what's up with that? I HATE that 2 hour limit, it comes around so quick. There is a lot of stuff there that is very rough and won't be in the final version and only the first few shorter paragraphs were pretty much finished in time. That is only an early work in progress and probably a lot of just needs to be scrubbed out!

[XenonII]

Xenon!

I need your help! Please help me protect my race from the filthy act of miscegenation! Don't ignore my earlier pleas! Help your fellow Child of God out!


You are black, the fact you aren't racially pure is less than ideal, but unlike the homosexual it's not something you chose to be and can't therefore be blamed for it. I view it as a similar thing to a child being born illegitimate. Black is your race and you should procreate with another black person to avoid commiting a massive sin, within marriage of course.

[Foster Zygote]

At least he was honest enough to put quotation marks around "expert".

ETA: Which he just erased with his edit.

[Foster Zygote]

You are black so you should procreate with another black person, within marriage of course.

So,

WASP = white race.

Everything else = black race.

[Prometheus]

XenonII said:

When a person who has racially pure parents then goes with another race they are saying that the way their parents are and the relationship that they have chosen is wrong and they don't want that for their children.

However, Most Recent Common Ancestor research has shown that XenonII, and each and every one of the rest of us, DOES NOT have "racially pure parents". Xenon, whether you like it or not, you do, in fact, have Chinese and Korean, and African, and Arab, and European, and Native American, and light-skinned, and dark-skinned, and blonde, and redheaded, and black-haired ancestors--as does everyone else.

I'm not necessarily "denying" that race exists. I can't do that because no one has yet told me what it is. As soon as you, or anyone else defines it for me, then I can investigate and attempt to reach a conclusion as to whether or not it really exists. That its supposed existence seems obvious to a lot of people who can't, or won't, say what it is does not constitute evidence.

[slingblade]

You are black, the fact you aren't racially pure is less than ideal, but unlike the homosexual it's not something you chose to be and can't therefore be blamed for it. I view it as a similar thing to a child being born illegitimate. Black is your race and you should procreate with another black person to avoid commiting a massive sin, within marriage of course.



How does someone become this cold and cruel to his fellows?

And how do they keep spewing this hate, yet profess belief in a "loving" and "merciful" god? It's apparent they don't even have so much as a nodding acquaintance with love or mercy, or any other virtues.

It's just so sad.

[XenonII]

So,

WASP = white race.

Everything else = black race.


Don't forget the Asians! :D I believe that there aren't any other races right apart from those three? Anything else is just ethnicities, which I guess are sub-sub-races. The dude mentioned Africa in that long list of mixed race heritage (although frankly English-Scottish-Welsh-Irish are all the same thing and America could be as well) so that had to take presedence. A mixed race person can still be black, but a white person is always pure, I believe that's how the wisdom of this sort of thing goes, for a drop of black blood is all it takes to make one black.

[XenonII]

How does someone become this cold and cruel to his fellows?

And how do they keep spewing this hate, yet profess belief in a "loving" and "merciful" god? It's apparent they don't even have so much as a nodding acquaintance with love or mercy, or any other virtues.

It's just so sad.

Advising someone what to do to avoid commiting a massive sin is being hateful? I don't hate anyone I love them! ANYONE can repent of their sins at anytime and be saved! God's free gift of salvation is open to all and I'm only following my beliefs and doing what I believe is right. My views were mainstream 20-30 years ago, why should I have to change them because society has lowered its standards? The Bible doesn't change and that's where I take my morality from, God and not man and i'm not one of these sellout revisionist Christians who reinterpretate their Bibles just to gell with whatever is the latest politically correct fad of society!

[slingblade]

I'm going to remember this spew the next time someone tries to tell me racism is dead.

Xenon, you are pathetic. I feel so bad for you, and all the things you miss out on.
It's Christians like you who help to keep me atheist and damned glad of it.

[bruto]

Don't forget the Asians! :D I believe that there aren't any other races right apart from those three? Anything else is just ethnicities, which I guess are sub-sub-races. The dude mentioned Africa in that long list of mixed race heritage (although frankly English-Scottish-Welsh-Irish are all the same thing and America could be as well) so that had to take presedence. A mixed race person can still be black, but a white person is always pure, I believe that's how the wisdom of this sort of thing goes, for a drop of black blood is all it takes to make one black.

If you're going to be a flaming racist, you ought at least to get them all. Of course I realize that actual knowledge is as hateful and alien to you as truth itself, but you could actually take your head out of your colon for long enough to look it up. Australoid is the fourth.

[XenonII]

If you're going to be a flaming racist, you ought at least to get them all. Of course I realize that actual knowledge is as hateful and alien to you as truth itself, but you could actually take your head out of your colon for long enough to look it up. Australoid is the fourth.


Flaming racist? I don't hate people based on their race, which is one of the real definitions of a racist, and I'm not the one advocating racial genocide through the acceptance and promotion of miscegenation either. Now that is what real "flaming racism" is all about, advocating that destructive lifestyle, because if everyone chose to be a miscegenationist before long there wouldn't be any races left for people to be "racist" against!

[KoihimeNakamura]

Liberals don't have a decent argument that race doesn't exist after claiming the exact opposite for hundreds of years. They are often quick to label their opponents as racists but how can they be if race no longer exists? How long before anyone that refuses to be indoctrinated into this new communist denial of reality is branded a racist for mearly stating the obvious that race exists? Race is a real as a persons sex.

Races as you define them do not exist. (Or "That word. You keep using it. I do not think it means what you think it means.")

A real racist is someone who hates a whole group of people based upon nothing more than their race and for their mere existence, wants to unjustly discriminate against them and ultimately wants to wipe them out. One of the ways to wipe out a race, and the politically correct way to do it, is through miscegenation which if followed through to its logical conclusion will result in the extinction of distinct races. When a subspecies no longer exists it has become extinct. (and yes when a sub-species goes extinct that is still an extinction I don't believe in this evolution nonsense, I don't believe you can just evolve them back into existence again over time, I dont believe the Earth is 6 million years old or any of that clap trap, 6 thousand would be more like it). A creationist too! Okay.

First off, a racist is one who acts on a prejudice. It is not racist to think that Asians like to take their shoes off in a house, it is racist to think all Asians can't drive.

And... incidentally, "EXT-ER-MINATE. EXTERMINATE!"


A racist is NOT someone who recognizes that racial differences exist and sometimes those racial differences are not always politically correct such as differences in intelligence something that has been known about for a while but is pretty much hushed up and denied nowadays so as not to offend, nor is it someone who holds those in different races accountable for their behavior and criticises negative aspects of their culture.That's... a racist. Incidentally, the differences in intelligence are actually nebulous, as being good at one kind of intelligence doesn't make you good at another.

I can't understand how anyone could think that opposition to miscegenation is racist when miscegenation is an act of racial genocide and followed through to its logical collusion will see the extinction of the races? Miscegenation is an extremely racist behavior with few equals. When a person who has racially pure parents then goes with another race they are saying that the way their parents are and the relationship that they have chosen is wrong and they don't want that for their children. Define racially pure. Bear in mind what a subspecies actually is.

That is highly disrespectful and an absurd rebellion against God and family. I don't get race deniers they seem as repugnant to me as holocaust deniers.Race Deniers? :dl:

You people are trying to steal something from us that is very dear to us, you are trying to rob us of our identity and kinship, culture, achievements, you name it!But no one mourns for Morn.

Race is an obvious phenomenon and the races are genetically different. This is something that has been well established and can't be denied. Race is not a myth it is a reality. Got proof?

To claim race doesn't exist is like claiming the Earth is flat or the Sun revolves around the Earth. At the very least it is a subspecies but it maybe a different species of human because you also have ethnicties such as Arabs and Hispanics of the main races and i've never heard of sub-subspecies. It doesn't matter how small the genetic difference is between races as there is only small genetical differences between humans and chimpanzees but there is still massive differences between the two species. Massive but small? (After a quick check, all humans are homo sapiens sapien though. There are no races. Oops.)

Race is immediately obvious, who can't tell the difference between a white man, an Asian and an African? Each looks completely different from the other and each has his own languages and cultures and geographical locality (before all this forced integration nonsense started up but its only white people that are being forced into accepting mass immigration no one else is funny that!).Actually... there are historical reasons and the fact that most of them are First World countries may have something to do with it. And no, they don't, all look basically human.

Did you know the Jews are very keen for white countires to be all mutlicultural but they don't want that for Israel? They want to keep their own country just for themselves, well isn;t that just sooooo hypocritcal of them but certainly not suprising, You are in error

By naturalization

Adults may acquire Israeli citizenship through naturalization. To be eligible for naturalization, a person must have resided in Israel for three years out of the previous five years. In addition, the applicant must have a right to reside in Israel on a permanent basis. All naturalization requests are, however, at the discretion of the Minister of the Interior.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nationality_law#Possession_of_citizenship


many other non-white countries feel EXACTLY the same and NO ONE is putting any pressure on them whatsoever to change and no one is branding them racist for ensuring their countries maintain racial integrity either its amazing, if only white people could have the same rights as everyone else the world would be a much better place! Whatever happened to the right of freedom of association?... You still have the choice to, just as I have the choice to do what I want as long as it doesn't harm people (or overly annoy them).



The so-called civil rights movement killed it. You no longer have the right to associate with who you please you must except forced multiracialism whether you like it or not. Blacks had exactly the same rights BEFORE the civil rights movement as everyone else btw what a scam that was!.... Jim Crow Laws. And no, they didn't have the same rights enforced...



Isi Leibler is a jewish leader in melbourne australia who is a staunch supporter of white countries embracing the liberal dogma of multicultralism but not Israel he has said "This is a country which was set up and created as a Jewish country for the Jews, the policy has no place in Israel", well following that logic, America was set up as a white Christian nation and should have remained so, we would certainly be in much better shape now if it hadDeist, actually. In any case, this doesn't make any sense.





If everyone breeded with everyone else there would be no racial diversity, there would be no white people, Asians or Africans. There would be just one mongrel race of browns. How boring!http://www.usconstitution.net/dream.html





Now why would God want that? If he wanted that he could have just created that to begin with but he didn't. He created the different races and there is beauty and uniqueness within each race and there is NOTHING wrong whatsoever with preserving that diversity that God has created and in fact we should at all costs preserve what God has created and those that disagree are eugenics supporters and no better than Nazis who wanted to annihilate all non-white races!Godwin! Anyway, the differences in skin color is primarily due to adaptation to setting.. not quite created that way.



You just want to do the same through cross breading. Genocide via the bedroom chamber is as long lasting as genocide via the gas chamber. Genocide is genocide. To extinct peoples, it doesn't really matter if it came with guns and frowns or with sex and smiles. You must fear the white race if you want to destroy it. Miscegenation is a sin.I don't care if most Christians are now revisionists and just because of societal pressure have decided to reinterpretate what the Bible has to say. They are wrong and they are cowards. They have put political correctness before Biblical truth and that is absoutely dispacable. As the Bible changed since it was written? NO! These things are still a sin whether people are willing to recognize them or not. You can call race mixing good, you can call the homosexual lifestyle not a sin but these things always will be and God will always seem them as such no matter what a nation in defiance of its creator has to say. Man is not God and I will take his world over societies any day.XenonII what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[XenonII]

I'm going to remember this spew the next time someone tries to tell me racism is dead.

Xenon, you are pathetic. I feel so bad for you, and all the things you miss out on.
It's Christians like you who help to keep me atheist and damned glad of it.

You are an atheist so you miss out on eternal life with Jesus and the angels and God in heaven but what exactly do I miss out on? :confused:

[Hokulele]

You are an atheist so you miss out on eternal life with Jesus and the angels and God in heaven but what exactly do I miss out on? :confused:


Pretty much the same thing.

[Radrook]

Since God and the Bible have been brought into the picture:

The Bible tells us that all races are derived from Adam and Eve.
We had Japeth, Shem. and Ham, Noah's three sons through whom all mankind descended.


However, that Adamic genetic influence was affected by the geographical dispersal isolation brought about by human rebellion after the Tower of Babel incident. The descendants of the black race settled mainly in Afriica are through Ham. Arabs, Jews, and other Semites are through Shem. The rest are through Japeth, although some believe the Chinese to be Hamitic as well. In any case, this type of geographical isolation would not have occurred had man not sinned. In short, it is very possible that God's original plan, which was deviated via sin, was to have a much more uniform appearance than we have today. Also, the racial extremes seen today would have been avoided. Not that variety would not have existed. Of course it would. Just not to the extremes that they exist today.

Excerpt:

The table of nations in Genesis 10 begins by listing Noah's immediate children:

Ham, forefather of the southern peoples (Hamitic Africa)
Shem, forefather of the middle peoples (Semitic Arabia)
Japheth, forefather of the northern peoples (Japhetic Europe)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Noah


BTW

I am not seeking debate on biblical subjects. Just responding to the claim that the biblical God intended races to exist in the condition they do today because he wanted separation.

[Foster Zygote]

Don't forget the Asians! :D I believe that there aren't any other races right apart from those three? Anything else is just ethnicities, which I guess are sub-sub-races. The dude mentioned Africa in that long list of mixed race heritage (although frankly English-Scottish-Welsh-Irish are all the same thing and America could be as well) so that had to take presedence. A mixed race person can still be black, but a white person is always pure, I believe that's how the wisdom of this sort of thing goes, for a drop of black blood is all it takes to make one black.

So a drop of "white" blood is all it takes to make a black man white?

[Foster Zygote]

How does someone become this cold and cruel to his fellows?

And how do they keep spewing this hate, yet profess belief in a "loving" and "merciful" god? It's apparent they don't even have so much as a nodding acquaintance with love or mercy, or any other virtues.

It's just so sad.

I find some small measure of comfort in the fact that people who express such warped ideas are so demonstrably stupid.

[Radrook]

So,

WASP = white race.

Everything else = black race.


Skin color is NOT the primary in racial differentiation criteria used by anthropologists. It is the least since skin color varies within the so-called races. Other factors such as hair texture, bone structure, body proportions, tooth shape are used. That's why forensic examination of skeletal remains can be used to determine race without looking having to look at skin. Neither is the so-called white race a paragon of purity even within its homeland since DNA studies indicate extensive admixtures in varying degrees even within the northern European area. Interestingly, Here in the USA, the white/black admixture percentages are even greater than the minimum percentages found in Southern European countries such as Spain and Italy. Strange in view of the intense racism here which rages on unabated and where the one-drop-blood policy is supposedly strictly applied.

[XenonII]

So a drop of "white" blood is all it takes to make a black man white?

I don't think so? I've always thought of a mixed-race black man as still being black and I thought everyone else did as well. :confused:

[volatile]

OK. Quick test.

What race are the people of Egypt?

[bruto]

Flaming racist? I don't hate people based on their race, which is one of the real definitions of a racist, and I'm not the one advocating racial genocide through the acceptance and promotion of miscegenation either. Now that is what real "flaming racism" is all about, advocating that destructive lifestyle, because if everyone chose to be a miscegenationist before long there wouldn't be any races left for people to be "racist" against!But you are on record as stating that some races are measurably inferior to others, and address issues on the basis of race, rather than nother criteria. That is exactly what racism is, and claiming that you do not hate anybody does not absolve you either from the charge of racism or from the abundant evidence of your boundless stupidity, ignorance and arrogance. Yes, if we all intermarried, we'd be left with one race, strong, beautiful and unified, no artificial racial distinctions to distract us from becoming better human beings, and racism like yours would die its well deserved, long overdue death.

[bruto]

I don't think so? I've always thought of a mixed-race black man as still being black and I thought everyone else did as well. :confused:No. Everybody else does not. Everybody else is not an idiot.

[Foster Zygote]

I don't think so? I've always thought of a mixed-race black man as still being black and I thought everyone else did as well. :confused:

Why? What is so special about "white" people? Why is it that a "white" person with a "black" great, great, great, great grandmother is considered by you to be "black" while a "black" man with a "white" great, great, great, great grandmother is not then considered to be "white"? How do you justify this double standard?

Also, although I am primarily English/Irish/German/Swedish I have a little Cherokee heritage from both sides of my family. Can I open a casino? But then due to the Cherokee ancestry it is possible that I have an African ancestor as recently as a few centuries ago. Would this then make me "black", or am I Cherokee?

[Radrook]

I don't think so? I've always thought of a mixed-race black man as still being black and I thought everyone else did as well. :confused:

That's like saying that a Pit-Bull crossed with a poodle is still a pit bull or still a poodle. As a dog buyer seeking to buy either, I'm sure that you would reject that sales pitch outright!

[Radrook]

Why? What is so special about "white" people? Why is it that a "white" person with a "black" great, great, great, great grandmother is considered by you to be "black" while a "black" man with a "white" great, great, great, great grandmother is not then considered to be "white"? How do you justify this double standard?

Also, although I am primarily English/Irish/German/Swedish I have a little Cherokee heritage from both sides of my family. Can I open a casino? But then due to the Cherokee ancestry it is possible that I have an African ancestor as recently as a few centuries ago. Would this then make me "black", or am I Cherokee?

According to the American way of thinking you just identified yourself as black. LOL

[XenonII]

So why do people say we belong to the human race as if there was only one race? There is not. There may be one human species but it is divided into several races such as Africans, Whites, Asians etc which are further subdivided into various ethnicities. I believe these politically correct people are confusing the words RACE with SPECIES. There is one human species but there is several races and is not racist to say so. It is simply a fact and nothing pisses me off more to here someone spout off that communist crap "We are all part of the same race the human race" Yeah whatever dream on!

[Foster Zygote]

So why do people say we belong to the human race as if there was only one race? There is not. There may be one human species but it is divided into several races such as Africans, Whites, Asians etc which are further subdivided into various ethnicities. I believe these politically correct people are confusing the words RACE with SPECIES. There is one human species but there is several races and is not racist to say so. It is simply a fact and nothing pisses me off more to here someone spout off that communist crap "We are all part of the same race the human race" Yeah whatever dream on!

Aw, don't go away mad... just go away.

[XenonII]

Aw, don't go away mad... just go away.

Well I think i've come up with an answer to my own question (and I aint going anywhere I'm here to learn just like anyone else):

1) Race mixers use it as an excuse to justify their sordid behavior and ease their guilty conscience. Deep down they know that what they are doing is not natural and not right but they think if they say that propaganda enough to themselves then even they will start to believe it.

2) People who for whatever reason don't feel happy being the race they are and so try and associate themselves with others who they feel are better by denying race exists. By doing that they can feel they are just as good as everyone else.

3) People tell it to mixed race kids to make out that how they are is perfectly normal and they shouldn't feel ashamed about it. Of course they shouldn't, it's not their fault they had such lousy parents and it's more to do with the parents trying to justify their behavior again like in 1)

No doubt there's other reasons to deny reality but that's the more obvious ones I can think of right now.

[XenonII]

But you are on record as stating that some races are measurably inferior to others, and address issues on the basis of race, rather than nother criteria. That is exactly what racism is, and claiming that you do not hate anybody does not absolve you either from the charge of racism or from the abundant evidence of your boundless stupidity, ignorance and arrogance. Yes, if we all intermarried, we'd be left with one race, strong, beautiful and unified, no artificial racial distinctions to distract us from becoming better human beings, and racism like yours would die its well deserved, long overdue death.


I don't think any race is inferior to any other race. What scientists have found is that Whites, Asians and Jews are more intelligent in general than sub-Saharan blacks. That doesn't mean that all whites are more intelligent than blacks or that there aren't some very intelligent black people, just in general sub-Saharan blacks have lower IQs than the other above mentioned groups. Not racist, just a fact of life and there was a big song and dance from the liberal crowd recently when the co-discoverer of DNA mentioned this fact aloud. Apparently scientists are not supposed to report their findings if it might upset one of the liberals pet minority groups even though he was only stating what everyone already knew and what was patently obvious. And of course the mere suggestion that racial differences might be more than skin deep is a serious challenge to the liberals latest propaganda that race doesn't really exist at all and shows it for the nonsense it is and of course we can't have that! Just stating scientific fact cost that man his job and a load of cowardly scientists who should have known better rubbished his remarks, even though they knew they were true, they just didnt have the guts to defend the truth. Pathetic and I still don't hate anybody, discriminate against anyone or want to genocide any race and those are all the definitions of racist I know.

[bruto]

So why do people say we belong to the human race as if there was only one race? There is not. There may be one human species but it is divided into several races such as Africans, Whites, Asians etc which are further subdivided into various ethnicities. I believe these politically correct people are confusing the words RACE with SPECIES. There is one human species but there is several races and is not racist to say so. It is simply a fact and nothing pisses me off more to here someone spout off that communist crap "We are all part of the same race the human race" Yeah whatever dream on!
Yes, there are several races, or stocks, depending, it seems, on where and when you took Anthropology, though I think it's generally acknowledged that there are four major divisions, whatever the terminology. Acknowledging this does not make you a racist. What makes you a racist is how you interpret this information, or misinformation on the same subject, and apply it to how these races should be treated; what aspects of character, culture and intelligence to attribute to them; and how they should relate (or be permitted to relate) to each other. Your statements of record stand as testimony to your ignorance as well as your implacable bigotry. It would be laughable if it weren't so redolent of ideas that have done real harm to humanity. It's hard to be either light or polite in the face of stupidity so deep and ideas so despicable.

[bruto]

I don't think any race is inferior to any other race. What scientists have found is that Whites, Asians and Jews are more intelligent in general than sub-Saharan blacks. That doesn't mean that all whites are more intelligent than blacks or that there aren't some very intelligent black people, just in general sub-Saharan blacks have lower IQs than the other above mentioned groups. Not racist, just a fact of life and there was a big song and dance from the liberal crowd recently when the co-founder of DNA mentioned this fact aloud. Apparently scientists are not supposed to report their findings if it might upset one of the liberals pet minority groups even though he was only stating what everyone already knew and what was patently obvious. Just stating scientific fact cost that man his job and a load of cowardly scientists who should have known better rubbished his remarks, even though they knew they were true, they just didnt have the guts to defend the truth. Pathetic and I still don't hate anybody, discriminate against anyone or want to genocide any race and those are all the definitions of racist I know.

You don't hate anybody but you think MY family should have been thrown out of this country, and that their offspring are an offense to God himself. You are a nasty piece of work.

[XenonII]

Why? What is so special about "white" people? Why is it that a "white" person with a "black" great, great, great, great grandmother is considered by you to be "black" while a "black" man with a "white" great, great, great, great grandmother is not then considered to be "white"? How do you justify this double standard?

Also, although I am primarily English/Irish/German/Swedish I have a little Cherokee heritage from both sides of my family. Can I open a casino? But then due to the Cherokee ancestry it is possible that I have an African ancestor as recently as a few centuries ago. Would this then make me "black", or am I Cherokee?

Nothing really, just they invented all the World's greatest inventions and do you really think America would be the World's only superpower now and as rich as it is if it was populated only by native Americans or Africans? I can't see it myself and look at Mexico if you need any evidence of what America would be like if you removed all the whites. It seems the more white people in a country the more succesful it becomes unless those people are Jews or north-eastern Asians, they seem to be the only races/ethnicities that can compete against us on an even level and do as well. I'm just saying what I see. A black man who is mixed race still looks black but a person who is partially white mixed race doesn't look white they look black or whatever other race(s) they were mixed with. That is usually the case anyway.

Sounds like you are probably Cherokee. It would probably depend on what race you look like. Isn't that what race primarily consits of? A persons physical appearance and what racial characteristics their physical appearance conforms to.

[XenonII]

You don't hate anybody but you think MY family should have been thrown out of this country, and that their offspring are an offense to God himself. You are a nasty piece of work.

That's not true at all. I think illegals should be thrown out of the country, I don't have a problem with legal immigration as long as it is kept to sensible levels and it doesn't threaten America's culture and stability.

As for mixed race kids, I don't blame them I blame the parents and the parents are the ones that will have to answer to God for their sins just as we all will. It is not a sin to be mixed race because it is not a choice.

If i'm wrong so be it, it won't be an activity I will take part in because I believe it is wrong.

I don't think it follows through that miscegenation is now ok because an allegedly oppressed minority violenty rose up against the majority with a moral lepper leading them in some highly dubious so called civil rights campaign which actually robbed people of one of their fundamental human rights (freedom of association) and because that group won against society and even got a string of activist judges to legalize interracial marriage despite over 70% of the people being opposed to it (even more than against same sex marriage now) we should then add insult to injury by making sweeping changes to how we interpretate the Bible to pander to them.

It just doesn't seem right and you have to be highly suspicious when so called Biblical scholars get new enlightnment on how to interpretate scripture straight after some major social change in society. How conveinient and I'm not buying it.

[Foster Zygote]

Well I think i've come up with an answer to my own question (and I aint going anywhere I'm here to learn just like anyone else):

1) Race mixers use it as an excuse to justify their sordid behavior and ease their guilty conscience. Deep down they know that what they are doing is not natural and not right but they think if they say that propaganda enough to themselves then even they will start to believe it.
As a "race mixer" let me assure you that you are absolutely and completely wrong. My little boy is is the most wonderful thing I could ever have hoped for. Prior to parenthood I could never have imagined the pride and joy that I could experience when I see him playing. I'm sorry that you are too twisted with hate, arrogance and ignorance to understand that someone else could behold their own child with such love and wonder and not give a flying **** about the meaningless value that you place in ******** like "racial purity". The very fact that you think people secretly feel ashamed of creating something as beautiful and wonderful as a child just serves to illustrate what a sick and perverted place your small little mind has become.

2) People who for whatever reason don't feel happy being the race they are and so try and associate themselves with others who they feel are better by denying race exists. By doing that they can feel they are just as good as everyone else.
Race is a human construct. When you get right down to it "race" is poorly defined and based on superficial physical features like skin pigmentation, hair type and facial features. Do you realize that "pure white" people have all the genes in their genome for the physical features you consider to define one as "black"? If you isolated a large population of "pure white" people on another planet that was hot and sunny like equatorial Africa they would eventually, generation after generation, develop darker and darker skin pigmentation until they were as dark as any Masai.

3) People tell it to mixed race kids to make out that how they are is perfectly normal and they shouldn't feel ashamed about it. Of course they shouldn't, it's not their fault they had such lousy parents and it's more to do with the parents trying to justify their behavior again like in 1)
That's great. Let's tell kids that, shall we? "Little Suzie, the fact that your African mother and European father chose to have a child together is the worst sort of abomination. What they did was sordid, shameful and disgusting and they should be ashamed of themselves and shunned by society because making mongrel children is a crime against God. But don't feel bad, it's not your fault that you're the product of such a reproachful, shameful sin."

No doubt there's other reasons to deny [XenonII's version of] reality but that's the more obvious ones I can think of right now.
Lack of stupidity comes to mind.

[Foster Zygote]

Nothing really, just they invented all the World's greatest inventions
Like what? Gunpowder, the magnetic compass, language, mathematics, books, plumbing, the wheel, clocks, calendars, levers, block and tackle, the sail, the bow and arrow, cities, agriculture...?

and do you really think America would be the World's only superpower now and as rich as it is if it was populated only by native Americans or Africans? I can't see it myself
Of course you can't see it, you assume that "race" is the main factor. But you demonstrate your ignorance of history. There were long periods in which Europeans were the "backward barbarians" living in the shadow of more advanced cultures. One day thousands of years in the future the center of wealth, learning and technology will likely have moved on to other parts of the world and some future ignorant bigot might well ask "What have white people ever done for us?"

and look at Mexico if you need any evidence of what America would be like if you removed all the whites.
Again the assumption that skin color is the primary factor. "Mexico is relatively poor. People in Mexico tend to have darker pigmentation than people of European origin (BTW, many Mexicans are descended from the Spanish, that's in Europe). Therefor darker pigmentation causes poverty." That's what we call a logical fallacy.

It seems the more white people in a country the more succesful it becomes unless those people are Jews or north-eastern Asians, they seem to be the only races/ethnicities that can compete against us on an even level and do as well. I'm just saying what I see.
Yes, but what you see is so limited. Why in the past were "white" people on the margin of world affairs, overshadowed by great civilizations made up of "none white" people?

A black man who is mixed race still looks black but a person who is partially white mixed race doesn't look white they look black or whatever other race(s) they were mixed with. That is usually the case anyway.
Might that be because you see anyone who doesn't look "pure white" as "black looking"? If a dark skinned West African man has a child with a light skinned Finnish woman the child may be much lighter than the father but because the child isn't as light skinned as the mother you declare that she "looks black". The fallacy of your statement stems from the fact that you only accept the very lightest skin pigmentations as "white" while everything else from slightly darker than the average Northern European all the way to the highest human concentrations of melanin are labeled as "black".

[XenonII]

As a "race mixer" let me assure you that you are absolutely and completely wrong. My little boy is is the most wonderful thing I could ever have hoped for. Prior to parenthood I could never have imagined the pride and joy that I could experience when I see him playing. I'm sorry that you are too twisted with hate, arrogance and ignorance to understand that someone else could behold their own child with such love and wonder and not give a flying **** about the meaningless value that you place in ******** like "racial purity". The very fact that you think people secretly feel ashamed of creating something as beautiful and wonderful as a child just serves to illustrate what a sick and perverted place your small little mind has become.


Race is a human construct. When you get right down to it "race" is poorly defined and based on superficial physical features like skin pigmentation, hair type and facial features. Do you realize that "pure white" people have all the genes in their genome for the physical features you consider to define one as "black"? If you isolated a large population of "pure white" people on another planet that was hot and sunny like equatorial Africa they would eventually, generation after generation, develop darker and darker skin pigmentation until they were as dark as any Masai.


That's great. Let's tell kids that, shall we? "Little Suzie, the fact that your African mother and European father chose to have a child together is the worst sort of abomination. What they did was sordid, shameful and disgusting and they should be ashamed of themselves and shunned by society because making mongrel children is a crime against God. But don't feel bad, it's not your fault that you're the product of such a reproachful, shameful sin."


Lack of stupidity come to mind.

I just don't see miscegenation as natural. I feel people should stick to their own race soley when it comes to procreation and marriage. I just feel if God had wanted only one race which is what would happen if everyone miscegenated, then he wouldn't have bothered to create several different races. But he did, so he must wan't that so we shouldn't go against his wishes. I think most Christians gave in far to easily to the PC crowd, they put up a bit of a half hearted fight to start with but then when things went against them they hastily abandoned something that they had been strictly opposed to for hundreds if not thousands of years for no real good reason. Society accepts all sorts of things now that are contrary to the Bible and they haven't declared these things no longer a sin just because they have become socially acceptable so why have they on this? It just doesn't make sense and I don't believe the races evolved because I don't believe in evolution which is only a theory anyway and most other Christians agree with me so that can't be the reason either.

[volatile]

C'mon Xenon - indulge me.

What race are the Egyptians? 'Black'? Or 'Asian'?

[Foster Zygote]

I think most Christians gave in far to easily to the PC crowd, they put up a bit of a half hearted fight to start with but then when things went against them they hastily abandoned something that they had been strictly opposed to for hundreds if not thousands of years for no real good reason.

Yeah, if only they hadn't put up such a half-hearted fight.

[XenonII]

Like what? Gunpowder, the magnetic compass, language, mathematics, books, plumbing, the wheel, clocks, calendars, levers, block and tackle, the sail, the bow and arrow, cities, agriculture...?


I think the question is not what did white people invent but what DIDN'T they invent? Is there any important or major invention that anyone else invented?

Of course you can't see it, you assume that "race" is the main factor. But you demonstrate your ignorance of history. There were long periods in which Europeans were the "backward barbarians" living in the shadow of more advanced cultures. One day thousands of years in the future the center of wealth, learning and technology will likely have moved on to other parts of the world and some future ignorant bigot might well ask "What have white people ever done for us?"

It appears that America is such a success, so rich and powerful and the greatest nation on Earth because it has the largest concentration of white people on the planet and if it didn't have that then the most successful nation in the world would be whatever nation that did. I don't say that because America is mostly white but because America is the most powerful successful nation on Earth. I don't know why that should be such a phenomenon with white people but it just seems to be the case and the biggest Empire in history also originated in Europe, there is something about whites that they are such high achievers and great conquerors of other people and their lands. The Industrial Revolution also started in Europe and Europe has the World's most stunning architecture and richness of cultures and if it's not because of their race then what is it that makes them more successful than everyone else?

Again the assumption that skin color is the primary factor. "Mexico is relatively poor. People in Mexico tend to have darker pigmentation than people of European origin (BTW, many Mexicans are descended from the Spanish, that's in Europe). Therefor darker pigmentation causes poverty." That's what we call a logical fallacy.

All countries that aren't predominently white are poor except Israel and countries like Japan and South Korea. African countires are the poorest of all and getting poorer. So is difficult to believe that race is not involved in this when this is something a lot of them have in common. Mexicans are a mix of Hispanics and Native Americans, they seem to have degraded their race by mixing with the locals because they are nowhere near as sophisticated or wealthly as Spain.


Yes, but what you see is so limited. Why in the past were "white" people on the margin of world affairs, overshadowed by great civilizations made up of "none white" people?

No idea if that was every true or not but the white race seems to have advanced a lot quicker than most other races? Why would that be if all races were the same.

Might that be because you see anyone who doesn't look "pure white" as "black looking"? If a dark skinned West African man has a child with a light skinned Finnish woman the child may be much lighter than the father but because the child isn't as light skinned as the mother you declare that she "looks black". The fallacy of your statement stems from the fact that you only accept the very lightest skin pigmentations as "white" while everything else from slightly darker than the average Northern European all the way to the highest human concentrations of melanin are labeled as "black".

It is more to do with than just skin color actually. Some Asians can be very pale skinned but they are still Asian and not white. A black man who is mixed race still has other racial characterstics of the black race such as different hair, wide noses and big lips. Although I have occasionally (very rarely) saw a black guy or two that were very dark skinned (not as quite as dark as they get but say like 80%) and they had small caucasian lips and noses?! :eek: Seems to be VERY rare though unless I'm just not paying good enough attention but it seemed so unusual I certianly paid attention to it and then you have some blacks that have skin so pale its practically white but they still have the hair, lips and nose like ordinary blacks. Race is a complex issue and there are a lot of different variations.

[Foster Zygote]

I think the question is not what did white people invent but what DIDN'T they invent? Is there any important or major invention that anyone else invented?
Gunpowder, the magnetic compass, language, mathematics, books, plumbing, the wheel, clocks, calendars, levers, block and tackle, the sail, the bow and arrow, cities, agriculture. To name but a few.

It appears that America is such a success, so rich and powerful and the greatest nation on Earth because it has the largest concentration of white people on the planet and if it didn't have that then the most successful nation in the world would be whichever else one that did. I don't know why that should be a phenomenon with white people but it just seems to be the case and the biggest Empire in history also originated in Europe, there is something about whites that such high achievers and great conquerors of other people and their lands. The Industrial Revolution also started in Europe and Europe has the World's most stunning architecture and richness of cultures and if it's not because of their race then what is it that makes them more successful than everyone else?
Yet "white" people have not created the only successful and influential civilizations in history. "White" civilizations are in fact relative newcomers.

All countries that aren't predominently white are poor except Israel and countries like Japan and South Korea. African countires are the poorest of all and getting poorer. So is difficult to believe that race is not involved in this when this is something a lot of them have in common. Mexicans are a mix of Hispanics and Native Americans, they seem to have degraded their race by mixing with the locals because they are nowhere near as sophisticated or wealth as Spain.
Again, you assume that the current status quo has existed throughout history. Why will you not address my questions about why "white" people were once living in the shadow of "non-white" civilizations?

No idea if that was every true or not but the white race seems to have advanced a lot quicker than most other races? Why would that be if all races were the same.
You have no idea if that was ever true? Then your grasp of history is so dismally inadequate that you are literally pulling most of what you say straight out of your bum.

It is more to do with skin color actually. Some Asians can be very pale skinned but they are still Asian and not white. A black man is mixed race still has other racial characterstics of the black race such as hair, nose and lip differences. Although I have occasionally (very rarely) saw a black guy or two that were very dark skinned (not as quite as dark as they get but say like 80%) and they had small caucasian lips and noses?! :eek: Seems to be VERY rare though unless I'm just not paying good enough attention but it seemed so unusual I certianly paid attention to it and then you have some blacks that have skin so pale its practically white but they still have the hair, lips and nose like ordinary blacks. Race is a complex issue.
You have not addressed the issue. Why do you define "white" by such narrow terms while defining "black" so broadly?

[XenonII]

C'mon Xenon - indulge me.

What race are the Egyptians? 'Black'? Or 'Asian'?

White Mediterranean. I'm giving you the answer for the Ancient Egyptians because they were the ones that actually achieved something. We shouldn't make the mistake of thinking that the people that live in that area today are the same racial makeup as the ones that did thousands of years ago. People move around.

[XenonII]

Gunpowder, the magnetic compass, language, mathematics, books, plumbing, the wheel, clocks, calendars, levers, block and tackle, the sail, the bow and arrow, cities, agriculture. To name but a few.

Wow there is some pretty basic ancient inventions amongst that list. I get the feeling that perhaps many of those are based on asumptions that evolutionary propaganda is true rather than something the devil dreamt up and one of the biggest blasphamies of recent times that "the human race originated out of Africa so we are all evolved from blacks" so Africans must have been the first inventors of all the fundamental stuff like the wheel and language. Um no, they didn't, they originated in the Garden of Eden, they never evolved and they were white just like God, those other races came later, they were an after thought (personally I wouldn't have bothered but then I'm not God so what do I know) and there is no human race there are several unless you are denying there is such a thing as Africans, Asians and Whites. Clocks were invented by whites btw. English is still the world's favorite language based on number of countries that use it, easiest to learn, most useful and spoken by the most number of countries and even countries that don't have it as their first langague often have it as a second language and it's the language the worlds most successful nation uses. I would say it was the best language. I'll still see if I can find an inventor for all of those things you mention though sometime and dispute the claim that any of them were invented by non whites in the meantime and also post a list of white inventions sometime as well.

Yet "white" people have not created the only successful and influential civilizations in history. "White" civilizations are in fact relative newcomers.

I know that whites have not created the only successful and influential civilizations in history and the fact they are relative newcomers shows how quick whites are to learn and adapt. They are way ahead of the Middle East and Africa and ahead of most of South America, only industrial countries like Japan and South Korea can rival them and I withdrawl the remark about Israel that's rich because of all the US aid, Jews are a successful people though especially when they are in white peoples countries and they haven't let their treatment at the hands of Nazi Germany from putting them off from achieving their goals. Whites still have the current most successful nation on Earth and I think that that is here to stay and I don't think it's a coincidence either.

Again, you assume that the current status quo has existed throughout history. Why will you not address my questions about why "white" people were once living in the shadow of "non-white" civilizations?

They have made up for it since and then some.


You have no idea if that was ever true? Then your grasp of history is so dismally inadequate that you are literally pulling most of what you say straight out of your bum.

No I hadn't, I know they haven't always been as advanced as they are now but they have always seemed to have been head and shoulders above most others at least for the last few hundreds of years, I don't know how far back you're talking there.

You have not addressed the issue. Why do you define "white" by such narrow terms while defining "black" so broadly?

I think I addressed it adequately but I will say this: The black races racial characteristics are muchmore striking, much darker skin, much bigger lips, much broader flatter nose and much different hair so even when you mix quite a lot of a different race with one you still get strong and obvious black features. Someone is black if they look it and a mixed race black guy still looks black but a mixed race whie guy just doesn't look white, white features are much more subtle and disappear a lot faster through mixing, you don't need to mix so much to achieve the same result, which is why it is more urgent that mixing amongst whites be discouraged because a mixed raced white is never white but a mixed race black is always black. Basically the stronger black racial characteristics overpower the white ones. The white race is at a disadvantage in that respect and is in greater danger of becoming extinct especially seeing as that is the only race that is being actively encouraged to mix. I guess some people for whatever reason just don't want the white race around. Perhaps they see it a threat to their existence or something.

[Foster Zygote]

Um no, they didn't they originated in the Garden of Eden, they never evolved and they were white just like God.
I stopped reading at this point. You are either a master troll (a behavior that strikes me as similar to the activity of guys who start warehouse fires and then masturbate as they watch them burn) or one of the most dim-witted people I've ever encountered. There is no further point to debating you.

[slingblade]

I don't think so? I've always thought of a mixed-race black man as still being black and I thought everyone else did as well. :confused:

First, never compare me to you. I'm a sentient life-form.

Second, what goes on in your head isn't called "thought" by even the most lax definition of the term.

Third, One-Drop laws are based on sheer ignorance and hatred. They have been long abolished and only the hateful and ignorant still cling to them as if they ever had any meaning.

Fourth, if going to your imaginary heaven means having to share it with you, I'll happily pass. Burning forever in hell would be a pleasure compared to sharing fifty billion acres of heaven with even one person like you.

Fifth, if the god you worship approves of your sort of "thinking," he's a bastard and not worthy of anyone's worship.

Sixth, I find your opinions disgusting.

[volatile]

White Mediterranean. I'm giving you the answer for the Ancient Egyptians because they were the ones that actually achieved something. We shouldn't make the mistake of thinking that the people that live in that area today are the same racial makeup as the ones that did thousands of years ago. People move around.

EGYPTIANS are white in your world? What planet do you live on?

[Judge Bean]

Gunpowder, the magnetic compass, language, mathematics, books, plumbing, the wheel, clocks, calendars, levers, block and tackle, the sail, the bow and arrow, cities, agriculture. To name but a few.


Yet "white" people have not created the only successful and influential civilizations in history. "White" civilizations are in fact relative newcomers.
....



The Africans invented most of the major social organizations still in use, as well as the parameters of our common cultural heritage: the institutions of marriage, religion, organized war, protection of the very young and very old, language, clothing, individualized shelters and community turf.

These things were then spread all over the world as the Africans spread out and colonized open territory-- also an African invention, that is, conquest and expansion and migration.

Basically, Africans invented the human race.

[Foster Zygote]

The Africans invented most of the major social organizations still in use, as well as the parameters of our common cultural heritage: the institutions of marriage, religion, organized war, protection of the very young and very old, language, clothing, individualized shelters and community turf.

These things were then spread all over the world as the Africans spread out and colonized open territory-- also an African invention, that is, conquest and expansion and migration.

Basically, Africans invented the human race.

Exactly. The first hominids to be human did so in Africa and then spread that humanity around the world. XenonII's assumptions remind me of Karl Mauch's conclusion that the ruins of Great Zimbabwe could not have been built by Africans and must have been built by King Solomon.

Welcome to the forum by the way.

[Radrook]

Our world would not be as scientifically advanced as it is without the Indian mathematical contributions.

Excerpts:

List of Indian/Hindu inventions

Possibly India's greatest contribution in MathematicsIndia is widely recognised for its four great inventions in mathematics which have greatly shaped the modern world and without which mathematics wouldn't have come very far as the American historian Will Durant said "India was the mother of our philosophy... of much of our mathematics."

The four great inventions are:

Invention of zero(0)
Invention of the Hindu-Arabic numeral system
Invention of the Binary numeral system
Invention of the decimal system

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian/Hindu_inventions

BTW
Since Americans use only skin color to determine race, then this would be a black contribution to science-no?

The same would apply to the Arabs.

Inventions in the Muslim world

A significant number of inventions were produced in the Muslim world, many of them with direct implications for Fiqh related issues. Most of these inventions were invented in the Middle Ages, especially during the Islamic Golden Age.

1 Astronomical instruments
1.1 Astrolabes
1.2 Analog computers
1.3 Armillary spheres
1.4 Mural instruments
1.5 Other instruments

2 Aviation technology
2.1 Parachute
2.2 Hang glider
2.3 Flight controls
2.4 Artificial wings
2.5 Artificially-powered manned rocket

3 Camera technology
3.1 Pinhole camera
3.2 Camera obscura

4 Chemical technology
4.1 Chemical processes
4.2 Laboratory apparatus
4.3 Chemical industries
4.4 Drinking industry
4.5 Glass industry
4.6 Hygiene industries
4.7 Perfumery industry

5 Civil engineering
5.1 Bridge dam
5.2 Cobwork
5.3 Diversion dam
5.4 Surveying instruments

6 Clock technology
6.1 Astronomical clocks
6.2 Candle clocks
6.3 Dials
6.4 Elephant clock with automaton, regulator, and closed loop
6.5 Mechanical clocks
6.6 Striking clock
6.7 Watch
6.8 Water clocks

7 Industrial milling
7.1 Bridge mill
7.2 Factory milling installation
7.3 Geared and wind-powered gristmills with trip hammers
7.4 Industrial mills
7.5 Milling dam
7.6 Paper mill
7.7 Shipmill
7.8 Spiral scoop-wheel
7.9 Sugar refinery
7.10 Tide mill and tidal-powered machine
7.11 Water-powered finery forge
7.12 Water turbine
7.13 Windmill

8 Mechanical technology
8.1 Agricultural devices
8.2 Artificial weather simulation
8.3 Complex segmental and epicyclic gears
8.4 Crankshaft and connecting rod
8.5 Crank-driven screw and screwpump
8.6 Flywheel-driven chain pump and noria
8.7 Hodometer
8.8 Mechanical singing birds
8.9 Metronome
8.10 Non-wooden block printing
8.11 On/off switch
8.12 Programmable humanoid robot
8.13 Steam turbine
8.14 Valve-operated double-action reciprocating suction piston pump
8.15 Ventillator
8.16 Other mechanical devices

9 Medical technology
9.1 Medical treatments
9.2 Surgical instruments

10 Military technology
10.1 Purified potassium nitrate
10.2 Explosive gunpowder
10.3 Hand cannon, handgun, and portable firearm
10.4 Fireproof clothing and dissolved talc
10.5 Gunpowder cartridge
10.6 Siege cannon
10.7 Ballistic war machine
10.8 Counterweight trebuchet
10.9 Torpedo
10.10 Iron rocket artillery
10.11 Other weapons

11 Navigational technology
11.1 Baculus
11.2 Caravel
11.3 Cartographic instruments
11.4 Compass rose
11.5 Kamal
11.6 Lateen
11.7 Three-masted merchant vessel

12 Other inventions
12.1 Explosive fireworks and firecrackers
12.2 Fountain pen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Muslim_world


"If I have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants." Isaac Newton

[XenonII]

I stopped reading at this point. You are either a master troll (a behavior that strikes me as similar to the activity of guys who start warehouse fires and then masturbate as they watch them burn) or one of the most dim-witted people I've ever encountered. There is no further point to debating you.

Nothing more dim-witted than being a proponent of the "Race doesn't exist" conspiracy theory.

[LostAngeles]

You are black, the fact you aren't racially pure is less than ideal, but unlike the homosexual it's not something you chose to be and can't therefore be blamed for it. I view it as a similar thing to a child being born illegitimate. Black is your race and you should procreate with another black person to avoid commiting a massive sin, within marriage of course.

But if I procreate with another black person, aren't I then polluting their racial purity with my Korean and white genes?:confused: Most of my genes are white and I'm not sure if anything's been mixed in with the black. I do know that the Korean part wasn't mixed with anything way back... oh... maybe Japanese, but that's Asian still so that's ok, right?

[LostAngeles]

Well I think i've come up with an answer to my own question (and I aint going anywhere I'm here to learn just like anyone else):

1) Race mixers use it as an excuse to justify their sordid behavior and ease their guilty conscience. Deep down they know that what they are doing is not natural and not right but they think if they say that propaganda enough to themselves then even they will start to believe it.

2) People who for whatever reason don't feel happy being the race they are and so try and associate themselves with others who they feel are better by denying race exists. By doing that they can feel they are just as good as everyone else.

3) People tell it to mixed race kids to make out that how they are is perfectly normal and they shouldn't feel ashamed about it. Of course they shouldn't, it's not their fault they had such lousy parents and it's more to do with the parents trying to justify their behavior again like in 1)

No doubt there's other reasons to deny reality but that's the more obvious ones I can think of right now.

So... I'm not normal?

And it's Mom's fault?

But... I love my Mom. She took care of me, and raised me, and fed me. I love my Dad too. And I love my grandparents!

Was making me really that bad?

Am I a bad girl?

[Terry]

Yes, yes you are. Very bad. Report to me for your punishment, young lady.

Oh wait - wrong thread. Never mind...

[Judge Bean]

Bad girl. Not white.

Just Xenophobon's type, and actually what he's most afraid of: dark, bad girls.

[Radrook]

....Yes, but what you see is so limited. Why in the past were "white" people on the margin of world affairs, overshadowed by great civilizations made up of "none white" people?


Might that be because you see anyone who doesn't look "pure white" as "black looking"? If a dark skinned West African man has a child with a light skinned Finnish woman the child may be much lighter than the father but because the child isn't as light skinned as the mother you declare that she "looks black". The fallacy of your statement stems from the fact that you only accept the very lightest skin pigmentations as "white" while everything else from slightly darker than the average Northern European all the way to the highest human concentrations of melanin are labeled as "black".

Our present civilization is based on the efforts of many nations without which we would be still living as we were during the European Dark Ages. In fact, without the non-European contributions of countries like China, India, and the Arab Islamic World which reviatalized European society via Spain, the Europeans would never have gotten intellectually off the ground.

This should be common knowledge. But obviously it isn't given sufficient emphasis in our schools and kids are led to believe that the world as we know it simply sprang into life with European effort.

The tendency to see every cultural difficulty as a consequence of race and not geography, history, religion, and counterproductive traditions can only be disspelled via education. Hopefully such education will be implemented earlier instead of waiting for college when fallacious mental habits have become so ingrained as to be impervious to reason.

BTW

About race, yes, the popular American idea is that the Nordic branch of the white race is the only one which can be called white. Anything which doesn't look Nordic is immediately suspect of being mixed with other races and categorized as black. I have even heard Native Americans categorized that way. Of course this is not what anthropologists say. It is what the people who are not familiar with physical anthropology say.

[Foster Zygote]

Yes, yes you are. Very bad. Report to me for your punishment, young lady.

Oh wait - wrong thread. Never mind...

Could you point me toward the right thread, please?

[LostAngeles]

Could you point me toward the right thread, please?

You need to report my post and then see FM for the appropriate protest thread over the resulting mod action.

[Prometheus]

English is still the world's favorite language based on number of countries that use it, easiest to learn, most useful and spoken by the most number of countries and even countries that don't have it as their first langague often have it as a second language and it's the language the worlds most successful nation uses. I would say it was the best language.



What does English language have to do with defining race. Most "white" people in the world speak some other language as their first. Most English speakers are non-white. And besides, English is not the easiest language to learn: As a first language, Turkish is the easiest (Turkish children learn to speak their language with correct grammar and usage by age 3, and learn to read on average twice as fast as do native English speakers), and as a second language, there's no way to decide the question since the relative difficulty of learning any second language depends on its linguistic distance from your first language.

[Foster Zygote]

What does English language have to do with defining race. Most "white" people in the world speak some other language as their first. Most English speakers are non-white. And besides, English is not the easiest language to learn: As a first language, Turkish is the easiest (Turkish children learn to speak their language with correct grammar and usage by age 3, and learn to read on average twice as fast as do native English speakers), and as a second language, there's no way to decide the question since the relative difficulty of learning any second language depends on its linguistic distance from your first language.

My sister-in-law is Turkish/Greek and lived in Turkey until she was five and the family moved to the U.S. She still speaks fluent Turkish even though the family speaks English almost exclusively at home. She also speaks Greek pretty well having learned it from her mother and aunts and uncle.

[XenonII]

What does English language have to do with defining race. Most "white" people in the world speak some other language as their first. Most English speakers are non-white. And besides, English is not the easiest language to learn: As a first language, Turkish is the easiest (Turkish children learn to speak their language with correct grammar and usage by age 3, and learn to read on average twice as fast as do native English speakers), and as a second language, there's no way to decide the question since the relative difficulty of learning any second language depends on its linguistic distance from your first language.


Most white people speak English and most white people that don't speak English are less white than those that do speak it. White people invented English and it's the world's most popular language based on number of countries where it is the most widely used language spoken. It is the 2nd most widely spoken language in the world overal after Chinese (Mandarin?). A lot of things that white people invented are very popular amongst people around the world, not just white people's most popular language, and so much so that others even claim the credit for inventing them. :rolleyes:

I found English was quite easy to learn. I was taught French in school and I picked up a bit of it but I didn't find that very easy to learn at all. If most English speakers are non-white that would be a blessing their nations received through the many gifts of knowledge to their races from ours during the wonderful period of colonization, when white people were not held back by the politically correct oppression of today and were allowed to flourish and reach their full potential. Either that or they were born into or moved to an English speaking country.

Perhaps it's because i'm from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but i've always associated Englishness with Whiteness and considered my people to be the whitest of the white and it is undoubtedly true, that of all the white people the British have accomplised the most, at one time having a glorious empire ruling over nearly a quarter of the Earth's surface. They are very best of the best in my opinion.

The Scandinavians and the Germans are all very white as well of course and have great civilizations but no one beats the British! In Europe the further south and south-east you go the less white the people are, their cultures became gradually less advanced, their societies less developed and their nations poorer. Scientists have discovered that racial differences are more than just skin deep and that different races have different general levels of intelligence so this must be the reason. That's not to say that there aren't intelligent people in all races just on average a member from one race will be more or less intelligent than a member of another and it is just one of the differences that exists between the races.

[bruto]

That's not true at all. I think illegals should be thrown out of the country, I don't have a problem with legal immigration as long as it is kept to sensible levels and it doesn't threaten America's culture and stability. You have said elsewhere, I believe, that Hispanics should not be allowed into the country at all. Perhaps I'll have to look that up, but I think it's there.

As it happens, owing to the exigencies of being a refugee in a difficult time, my wife and most of her family were illegal aliens for a while. Fortunately for them and for a few other people, things were a little less nasty back in the 60's, and they straightened out the paperwork, popped up to Canada, and re-entered legally.

As for mixed race kids, I don't blame them I blame the parents and the parents are the ones that will have to answer to God for their sins just as we all will. It is not a sin to be mixed race because it is not a choice. And no matter how you weasel it, you have declared that mixing races is a sin, and that mixed race children are an offense to god and should not have been born at all. You really cannot say that and deny that this is an expression of the utmost hatred. The introduction of the word "blame" and "sin" in the matter says it all. You are both a bigot and a liar.


If i'm wrong so be it, it won't be an activity I will take part in because I believe it is wrong.

I don't think it follows through that miscegenation is now ok because an allegedly oppressed minority violenty rose up against the majority with a moral lepper leading them in some highly dubious so called civil rights campaign which actually robbed people of one of their fundamental human rights (freedom of association) and because that group won against society and even got a string of activist judges to legalize interracial marriage despite over 70% of the people being opposed to it (even more than against same sex marriage now) we should then add insult to injury by making sweeping changes to how we interpretate the Bible to pander to them. What a disgusting pile of lying, racist, excrement this is. I've been inclined so far to tell you to get your head out of your anus, but if when you do it's only to disgorge the contents on to the page maybe you should keep it there.

It just doesn't seem right and you have to be highly suspicious when so called Biblical scholars get new enlightnment on how to interpretate scripture straight after some major social change in society. How conveinient and I'm not buying it.

You "interpretate" the Bible, whether or not you admit to doing it or are aware of it. The bizarre and distorted bigotry that you see in it is not itself so ancient, and comes just as much from social and political motivations as any other. You're just apparently too stupid to understand it. In addition, much of what you write suggests that you are more ignorant of its contents than most of the atheists here, as well as the other Christians.

by the way, I'll edit to add this, rather than cut and paste from another post: your contention that mixed race part black children are distinctively non white is demonstrably, howlingly, utterly false. It is simply not true at all. I have known half black children who displayed no visible negroid characteristics at all, fair skinned, freckled, with red hair. Of course if you go through life assuming that no such people exist, you'll never notice them and never know their daddy was black. But you're wrong. Just plain wrong. You are woefully misinformed, wrong, not right, ignorant and not correct. Get it? Wrong.

Many Egyptians have black (or very dark) skin. Remember Anwar Sadat. They are caucasian too, just like the black caucasians of India and elsewhere. Your concept of racial identity is as far off color as the rest of your ideas.

[XenonII]

But if I procreate with another black person, aren't I then polluting their racial purity with my Korean and white genes?:confused: Most of my genes are white and I'm not sure if anything's been mixed in with the black. I do know that the Korean part wasn't mixed with anything way back... oh... maybe Japanese, but that's Asian still so that's ok, right?


Yes but I did say your racial makeup was less than ideal, as is anyones who is not pure, but it is a case of making the best of a bad situation isn't it? Others may advice you to not breed at all, but i'm not that heartless and after all it is the human species purpose to procreate which is why the homosexual lifestyle for example is a crime against humanity. Unlike homosexuality which is claimed to be genetic but no proof exists to back up such a claim, race is proven to be genetic but the evidence is either denied or claimed to be unimportant or insignifcant. Interestingly enough, the same race deniers are often the very same people that are promoting pseudoscience when it comes to theories to the cause of homosexuality.

If you procreate with a white person that person doesn't stand a hope in hell of having their racial integrity as a white person preserved. They will not look white and therefore they will not be white! But if you breed with a black person that person will still be black because black genes are far more dominent than white genes as I have already touched on, so that's your best bet if you want to do the right thing by our Lord God's Holy Word.

Look at that rap star what's his name? The name escapes me as a I don't follow that "music" but he is a highly unusual cross between Asian and African (not sure what mix exactly but hazard a guess I would say full blown Negro or close to it mixed with either South-East Asian or Polynesian, something like that) and although he looks a little "weird", he still looks unmistakenly black and very dark too.

Ultimately I would require a picture to best advice you on your situation (and no I am not asking for one just commenting that with these more difficult cases it can help immensely in bringing the matter to a successful conclusion, and just using your scenario as an example here). Race is mostly to do with appearance (and least on a more "superficial" level) and so racial preservation is all about matching one person up with another one that is as best a match racially as possible. I focus on white racial preservation in my writings mainly because that's my race, that's the race that has the less dominent genes that are passed on through miscegenation and therefore for that reason and others that's the race most at risk of extinction.

[Prometheus]

Most white people speak English and most white people that don't speak English are less white than those that do speak it. White people invented English and it's the world's most popular language based on number of countries where it is the most widely used language spoken. It is the 2nd most widely spoken language in the world overal after Chinese (Mandarin?). A lot of things that white people invented are very popular amongst people around the world, not just white people's most popular language, and so much so that others even claim the credit for inventing them. :rolleyes:

I found English was quite easy to learn. I was taught French in school and I picked up a bit of it but I didn't find that very easy to learn at all. If most English speakers are non-white that would be a blessing their nations received through the many gifts of knowledge to their races from ours during the wonderful period of colonization, when white people were not held back by the politically correct oppression of today and were allowed to flourish and reach their full potential. Either that or they were born into or moved to an English speaking country.

Perhaps it's because i'm from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but i've always associated Englishness with Whiteness and considered my people to be the whitest of the white and it is undoubtedly true, that of all the white people the British have accomplised the most, at one time having a glorious empire ruling over nearly a quarter of the Earth's surface. They are very best of the best in my opinion.

The Scandinavians and the Germans are all very white as well of course and have great civilizations but no one beats the British! In Europe, the further south and south east you go the less white the people are and the less developed in their culture they become and the poorer these nations are, all these things seem to go together and I believe it can only be because of the differences in intelligence based on racial genetics that scienticsts have proven to exist.

So now some "whites" are more "white" than others?????
Doesn't that contradict your previous statements to the effect that one is either white or non-white, and the so-called "one-drop" theory is correct?

Of course you "found English was quite easy to learn" since it was your first language! However, on average, native English speakers learn English at a later age than native speakers of several other languages learn their respective languages. If English speakers take longer to learn English than, for example, Turks take to learn Turkish then English must be more difficult to learn (Or perhaps English speakers are just "slow learners". What a wonderful gift we bring! Learn our language and be dumber than you were before!

[ImaginalDisc]

I focus on white racial preservation mainly because that's my race, that's the race most at risk of extinction and that's the race that has the less dominent genes that are passed on through miscegenation.

Please provide evidence to support the assertion that the "white race" is most in danger of extinction, that it has "less dominant genes," and that you are white.

[LostAngeles]

Yes but I did say your racial makeup was less than ideal, but it is a case of making the best of a bad situation isn't it? Others may advice you to not breed at all, but i'm not that heartless and after all it is the human species purpose to procreate. If you procreate with a white person that person doesn't stand a hope in hell of having their racial integrity as a white person preserved. They will not look white and therefore they will not be white!

But if you breed with a black person that person will still be black because black genes are far more dominent than white genes as I have already touched on, so that's your best bet if you want to do the right thing by our Lord God's Holy Word.

Look at that rap star what's his name? The name escapes me as a I don't follow that "music" but he is a highly unusual cross between Asian and African (not sure what mix exactly but hazard a guess I would say full blown Negro or close to it mixed with either South-East Asian or Polynesian, something like that) and although he looks a little "weird", he still looks unmistakenly black and very dark too.

Ultimately I would require a picture to best advice you on your situation (and no I am not asking one just with these more difficult cases it can help immensely and just using your scenario as an example here). Race is mostly to do with appearance (and least on a more "superficial" level) and so racial preservation is all about matching one person up with another one that is as best a match racially as possible. I focus on white racial preservation mainly because that's my race, that's the race most at risk of extinction and that's the race that has the less dominent genes that are passed on through miscegenation.

You keep ignoring the Asian genes, though.

I'm unable to provide you with a picture, but I can inform you that my complexion is close to honey-colored and my facial features would best be described as, "Caucasian," since I look very much like my maternal, white, grandmother. However, my eyes do have a slight almond shape to them.

[Prometheus]

... but no one beats the British! ....

!?
Except the Romans, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Normans, the American colonies, the U.S. (1812), the Japanese (in Singapore), the Germans, until American intervention, Gandhi for crissakes!, a whole lot of different Africans, and just wait about 50 years from now when China overtakes the U.S. economically, industrially, technologically, and militarily; then you're in for some major payback (Opium Wars ring a bell?)!!

[Roboramma]

Just stopped by to take a look and... oh my god.

Xenon, learn a little bit about genetics. There is nothing admirable about arguing from ignorance. I'm quite serious - do you know anything about genetics?

If you are honestly interested in knowing something about this topic, learn a little bit first, form opinions second.

There's too much ignorance for me to even engage you in discussion.

[bruto]

You keep ignoring the Asian genes, though.

I'm unable to provide you with a picture, but I can inform you that my complexion is close to honey-colored and my facial features would best be described as, "Caucasian," since I look very much like my maternal, white, grandmother. However, my eyes do have a slight almond shape to them.

LA, I'm already quite happily married, and probably getting a little old for you, but you sound like a felicitous mix of races, or to put it coarsely, quite yummy. I hope you do your best to mix up the races a little more. Perhaps we cannot stop the Xenon's of this world as quickly as we wish, but eventually we will bury them.

[bruto]

... be dumber than you were before!

That is one assignment Xenon can never fulfil.

[XenonII]

The Africans invented most of the major social organizations still in use, as well as the parameters of our common cultural heritage: the institutions of marriage, religion, organized war, protection of the very young and very old, language, clothing, individualized shelters and community turf.

These things were then spread all over the world as the Africans spread out and colonized open territory-- also an African invention, that is, conquest and expansion and migration.

Basically, Africans invented the human race.


White people were here first (Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve!) and were created in God's image. White people (British, French, Spanish, Portugese, Danish, Norwegian, Belgian, Dutch and German) colonized the world not Africans. Where is the evidence Africans invented the things you claim? Evolutionary theory is not evidence it is mere anti-Christian (and anti-white) propaganda! Africans did not invent the human race. There is no such thing as the human race! Africans are just one race of several that make up the human species. There is a human species but there is no one single human race. God invented the human species, but the devil invented the meaningless phrase "the human race".

[Hokulele]

Ah, that's where XII got off to. I think all the jeans-wearing, multi-ethnic, multiple-women, shower-taking descriptions drove him out of R&P. He's just a parody and just posts this stuff for the reaction. No person could actually be this stupid.

LA - Let me know when the naughty half-Asian woman talk starts up again.

[Prometheus]

...You are either a master troll ....


Or perhaps a more advanced version of PARRY, the famous 1970's A.I. "chatterbot" program that mimicked a paranoid schizophrenic. Have we all been had? Is Xenon really the first contender to pass the Turing Test?

[bruto]

White people were here first (Adam and Eve) who were created in God's image. White people (British, French, Spanish, Portugese, Danish, Norwegian, Belgian, Dutch and German) colonized the world not Africans. Where is the evidence Africans invented the things you claim? Evolutionary theory is not evidence it is mere anti-Christian and anti-white propaganda! Africans did not invent the human race. There is no such thing as the human race! Africans are just one race of several that make up the human species. There is a human species but there is no one single human race.

Where in the bible is the skin color or race of Adam and Eve specified?

Or did you just "interpretate" that from the usual cavity you pull this stuff out of?

[bruto]

Or perhaps a more advanced version of PARRY, the famous 1970's A.I. "chatterbot" program that mimicked a paranoid schizophrenic. Have we all been had? Is Xenon really the first contender to pass the Turing Test?I wish I could believe that. If so, wouldn't it be acceptable under forum rules to sling vitriolic and contumelious insults at him? After all, it wouldn't be personal if he's not a person. I could come up with a word or two for the occasion.

[XenonII]

Just stopped by to take a look and... oh my god.

Xenon, learn a little bit about genetics. There is nothing admirable about arguing from ignorance. I'm quite serious - do you know anything about genetics?

If you are honestly interested in knowing something about this topic, learn a little bit first, form opinions second.

There's too much ignorance for me to even engage you in discussion.

Not saying you are, but what could be more ignorant or more preposterous than being a race denier?

[Prometheus]

Not saying you are, but what could be more ignorant or more preposterous than being a race denier?

?
Well, being a "race" supremecist, for one thing--smacks a little bit of, "my unicorn is better than your unicorn" (I know, I know, unicorns died out because they were too busy fornicating to get in the Ark when Noah came a-callin'....)

[XenonII]

You keep ignoring the Asian genes, though.

I'm unable to provide you with a picture, but I can inform you that my complexion is close to honey-colored and my facial features would best be described as, "Caucasian," since I look very much like my maternal, white, grandmother. However, my eyes do have a slight almond shape to them.


Sounds like you may be a ethnicity (sub-race) of the White race, say Southern European Mediterranean. If that's the case, and that's the conclusion i'm now leaning towards from your above description of yourself, then you are free to marry and procreate with a white (either your parent race, your ethnicity of it or another ethnicity of it) to your hearts content and all with God's divine blessings! Phew, I am so relieved that we had the best possible outcome to your dilemma! Praise the LORD! :D

[Radrook]

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[LostAngeles]

Sounds like you may be a ethnicity (sub-race) of the White race, say Southern European Mediterranean. If that's the case, and that's the conclusion i'm now leaning towards from your above description of yourself, then you are free to marry and procreate with a white (either your parent race, your ethnicity of it or another ethnicity of it) to your hearts content and all with God's divine blessings! Phew, I am so relieved that we had the best possible outcome to your dilemma! Praise the LORD! :D

So even though my mom's ancestors are from the British Isles and my dad is descended from slaves and Koreans, I'm Southern European Mediterranean? God truly does work in mysterious ways!

[XenonII]

?
Well, being a "race" supremecist, for one thing--smacks a little bit of, "my unicorn is better than your unicorn" (I know, I know, unicorns died out because they were too busy fornicating to get in the Ark when Noah came a-callin'....)

I'm not a race "supremacist", I just take pride in my races achievements any why not? We have a great deal to be proud of for we have invented so much for the good of all humanity. Blacks can have "Black pride" and no one bats an eyelid or accuses them of being a racist, but when a white person decides to practice a bit of equality by having pride in what his race has achieved which is more than all others COMBINED, that automatically makes him a "race superemacist"? :confused:

[XenonII]

So even though my mom's ancestors are from the British Isles and my dad is descended from slaves and Koreans, I'm Southern European Mediterranean? God truly does work in mysterious ways!

Race is not something that is completely rigid and inflexible, that is a common mistake people tend to make.

[Roboramma]

I'm not a race "supremacist", I just take pride in my races achievements any why not? We have a great deal to be proud of for we have invented so much for the good of all mankind. Because you didn't actually do any of those things?

Personally I'm proud of my own accomplishments. Not those which I had absolutely nothing to do with.

[Roboramma]

Race is not something that is completely rigid and inflexible, that is a common mistake people tend to make.
So what is race?

[Roboramma]

Not saying you are, but what could be more ignorant or more preposterous than being a race denier?
I'm not sure what a race denier is, but do you mean someone who denies that the concept "race" has any meaning?

I actually don't, though I've seen good arguments in that direction. I've even argued the opposite on this forum. (it was one of the first threads I was involved in).

But there are people who understand the issue and still suggest that the concept 'race' is meaningless. What I was trying to say in my previous post is that before chiming in, you should first learn about the issue. So, what's more ignorant is someone who doesn't know anything about genetics saying, for instance, that "black genes are more dominant than white genes".

[Prometheus]

I'm not a race "supremacist", I just take pride in my races achievements any why not? We have a great deal to be proud of for we have invented so much for the good of all mankind. Blacks can have "Black pride" and no one bats an eyelid or excuses the Black person of being a racist, but when a white person whose race has achieved more than all others COMBINED for the benefit of humanity has some pride in his races many and varied accomplishments that automatically makes him a "race superemacist"? :confused:

I didn't actually accuse you of being a supremecist (though you are doing a pretty good job of portraying yourself as one). All I said was that being a race supremecist is more ignorant and more preposterous than being a race denier is. I haven't accused you of of being anything at all, in fact. In truth, I'm not sure quite what you are.

BTW The notion that no black person is ever accused of being a racist, is demonstrably false. Quite a few well know black persons have been repeatedly so accused; Louis Farrakhan comes to mind.

[LostAngeles]

Race is not something that is completely rigid and inflexible, that is a common mistake people tend to make.

In a word:

EPIC

[XenonII]

Because you didn't actually do any of those things?

Personally I'm proud of my own accomplishments. Not those which I had absolutely nothing to do with.


Not personally no, but I am part of the race that did, as opposed to someone else from a different race who is not. I am sorry you don't feel solidarity with your particular race or consider it part of your identity, but we are not all like that, we are different. Liberals really aught to put their money where their mouth is and support this "diversity" they keep harping on about. They should start valuing the difference in others, such as race rather than absurdly claiming that such a thing does not exist. If you think race does not exist I suggest you go get your eyes tested! The only difference the liberal seems to value is the person that lives the homosexual lifestyle and being a homosexual is a choice, it's not like race with is innate.

[Roboramma]

Not personally no, but I am part of the race that did, as opposed to someone else from a different race who is not. Do you feel that being a part of your race says something meaningful about who you are?
I don't really understand where the pride comes from. If I was a part of a soccer team that won a game, but I sat on the side of the pitch the whole time, I wouldn't be proud of the victory unless I thought that my presence durring practice had helped my teamates to become better players or something. In other words, why be proud if you had nothing to do with it?
I just don't get it.

I am sorry you don't feel solidarity with your particular race or consider it part of your identity, but we are not all like that, we are different. I don't know why you're sorry about that. Maybe you can explain to me where your feeling of solidarity comes from. Why do you consider it part of your identity?

Liberals really aught to put their money where their mouth is and support this "diversity" they keep harping on about. They should start valuing the difference in others, such as race rather than absurdly claiming that such a thing does not exist. If you think race does not exist I suggest you go get your eyes tested! The only difference the liberal seems to value is the person that lives the homosexual lifestyle and being a homosexual is a choice, it's not like race with is innate.
All passengers for non-sequiteurville, get off here.

[XenonII]

I'm not sure what a race denier is, but do you mean someone who denies that the concept "race" has any meaning?

I actually don't, though I've seen good arguments in that direction. I've even argued the opposite on this forum. (it was one of the first threads I was involved in).

But there are people who understand the issue and still suggest that the concept 'race' is meaningless. What I was trying to say in my previous post is that before chiming in, you should first learn about the issue. So, what's more ignorant is someone who doesn't know anything about genetics saying, for instance, that "black genes are more dominant than white genes".


A race denier is someone who denies that race exists. This includes all those "race is only a social construct types". Race is a person's physical appearance and not just their skin color, but the texture and color of their hair, their nose shape & size, thickness of lips, height, level of hairyness (for males), the sound of their voice and other attributes and it is part of a persons genetics. A person's race can also effect their level of intelligence as scientists have found out that on average Whites, Asians and Jews have the highest IQs while sub-Saharan Blacks and Australian Aboriginies the lowest. That's not to say some whites aren't retards and some blacks aren't geniuses, as these findings only apply to the racial group as a whole and in general, individual intelligence levels within the group do vary.

Black genes are more dominant than white genes for the simple fact when a racially "pure" white person miscegenates with a racially "pure" black person the result is a black child. The offspring is never white. That proves that black genes are more dominant, because although the white genes weaken the black genes infleunce, they do not do so to the extent that the person conceived is no longer black. While the result is a person who is no longer "pure" black like one half of their parentage, they are still black and still look black.

[Roboramma]

A race denier is someone who denies that race exists. This includes all those "race is only a social construct types". Thanks for the clarification.
Race is a person's physical appearance and not just their skin color, but the texture and color of their hair, their nose shape & size, thickness of lips, height, level of hairyness (for males), the sound of their voice and other attributes and it is part of a persons genetics. I think that you mean that race can be determined by looking at these things. But maybe I'm wrong. So, a question: if a black woman and a black man have a child together, it is possible for the child to be non-black?

How many races are there? Do they overlap?

Black genes are more dominant than white genes for the simple fact when a racially "pure" white person miscegenates with a racially "pure" black person the result is a black child. By "for the simple fact" do you mean because? Or do you mean, we know this because of this simple fact?
I'd also like to point out that this isn't a "simple fact". You haven't shown it to be true, and I don't think it is. What is your definition of "black"? Without one, we can't even answer the question of who is and who is not black.

The offspring is never white. Evidence? Again, what is white?
That proves that black genes are more dominant, because although the white genes weaken the black genes infleunce, they do not do so to the extent that the person conceived is no longer black.
This is ridiculous.
Some definitions of "black" follow a taint model - anyone with any amount of "black" traits is necessarily considered black. By what objective measure do you call those people black?
Don't you see that if we define as black anyone who has "black traits", whereas people defined as white must have only "white traits", then what you said will be true without telling us anything about the dominance of the actual genes involved?


While the result is a person who is no longer "pure" black like one half of their parentage, they are still black and still look black. Again, this only tells us about the definition of black, it tells us nothing about the actual genes involved.
So, you're talking about race as if it were a social construct. I'd like to know if you have anything to say about it as an objective part of biology.

[volatile]

How many races are there? Do they overlap?

He's already said in this thread that there are three - White, Black and Asian, and that, for the white "race" at least, there is no overlap. One drop of black or Asian blood makes you black or Asian. Whites are "pure".

Oh, and Egyptians are white.

[flimflam_machine]

Perhaps it's because i'm from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but i've always associated Englishness with Whiteness and considered my people to be the whitest of the white and it is undoubtedly true, that of all the white people the British have accomplised the most, at one time having a glorious empire ruling over nearly a quarter of the Earth's surface. They are very best of the best in my opinion.


Oh you've got to be ******* kidding me. Folks, as a Brit I would like to offer my apologies for the existence of XenonII, for what it's worth since he's not my fault! Either he is a pathetic troll or he's idiotic beyond redemption.

Whatever the achievements of the "white race" XenonII I think we can safely say that it is, on average, a fair bit dumber for containing you, and that everyone here is just a little bit more jaded for having encountered your poisonous drivel.

One final thought (assuming that you're not just a sad lonely troll). You are aware that Jesus was a Jewish Arab and that, therefore, Christianity was one of the things that was definitely not invented by the "white race".

Just leave it everyone, he's really not worth it.

[JonnyFive]

White people were here first (Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve!) and were created in God's image. White people (British, French, Spanish, Portugese, Danish, Norwegian, Belgian, Dutch and German) colonized the world not Africans. Where is the evidence Africans invented the things you claim? Evolutionary theory is not evidence it is mere anti-Christian (and anti-white) propaganda! Africans did not invent the human race. There is no such thing as the human race! Africans are just one race of several that make up the human species. There is a human species but there is no one single human race. God invented the human species, but the devil invented the meaningless phrase "the human race".

How are you not racist, again (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist)?

Actually, I'm pretty sure you don't even know the modern meaning of the word "race." Or is that the meaning the devil created somehow, while the meaning that you prefer is somehow the phrase that God invented (or some such stupid crap you made up).

Also, how is "whiteness" correllated with English speaking? As the language didn't exist when the Bible was most likely authored, wouldn't Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic be a more "holy" and "pure" language? Aren't you, by your Biblical=good logic, debasing yourself by speaking this modern language, or did you leave yourself a nice little weasel hole to run back to?

I'll be sure to tell my son that his parents are horrible race-mixers that have committed an abomitable sin that is second only to their atheism and right up there with homosexuality or something. Also, I'll be sure to let him know he's definitely black, just so he won't be confused or anything. :rolleyes:

On the plus side, you do provide a nice illustration of how people take their own beliefs and prejudices and attribute them to god as a way of legitimizing their own behavior. That's pretty cowardly, XenonII.


ETA: Did you really stick that bit about "Adam and Steve" in there? You're a troll or a robot, aren't you?

[bruto]

Race is not something that is completely rigid and inflexible, that is a common mistake people tend to make.Unless, of course, you have a single drop of "black" blood in you, in which case, according to the gospel of Xenon, you are rigidly and inflexibly black, and should be forbidden by civil law, with the threat of imprisonment or worse, to marry or have relations with a white person, because you will be destroying the purity of the white race, your love an abomination, your children an insult to god. But don't worry, God and Xenon in their magnanimity promise not to hate the poor misbegotten offspring of racial sin, only to pity them for the misfortune of having parents whom he would send to prison for their love.

[JonnyFive]

Black genes are more dominant than white genes for the simple fact when a racially "pure" white person miscegenates with a racially "pure" black person the result is a black child. The offspring is never white. That proves that black genes are more dominant, because although the white genes weaken the black genes infleunce, they do not do so to the extent that the person conceived is no longer black. While the result is a person who is no longer "pure" black like one half of their parentage, they are still black and still look black.

Your understanding of genetics is just as astouding as your understanding of everything else. :rolleyes:

[bruto]

y.

when a racially "pure" white person miscegenates with a racially "pure" black person the result is a black child. The offspring is never white. That proves that black genes are more dominant, because although the white genes weaken the black genes infleunce, they do not do so to the extent that the person conceived is no longer black. While the result is a person who is no longer "pure" black like one half of their parentage, they are still black and still look black.

You keep saying this, but it is false. You are either woefully, stubbornly ignorant, or perpetrating a lie to support your bizarre and loathsome ideas. Whatever the motivation, the statement is simply not true. It is false. It is a lie.

[Mid]

Oh you've got to be ******* kidding me. Folks, as a Brit I would like to offer my apologies for the existence of XenonII, for what it's worth since he's not my fault! Either he is a pathetic troll or he's idiotic beyond redemption.
...snip...

I'll second this, apologies to everyone else on the planet for XenonII having been produced in my country. Although I have to say I'm a bit surprised that he's not American as he seems very obsessed with the place and uses phrases like liberal, activist judges etc. in ways I've rarely if ever heard a Brit use.

[ImaginalDisc]

XenonII, savior of the palefaces. I humble resubmit my question for your consideration.


Please provide evidence to support the assertion that the "white race" is most in danger of extinction, that it has "less dominant genes," and that you are white.

[JonnyFive]

XenonII, savior of the palefaces. I humble resubmit my question for your consideration.


Please provide evidence to support the assertion that the "white race" is most in danger of extinction, that it has "less dominant genes," and that you are white.

I'm pretty sure it's in the Bible somewhere. ;)

[Stout]

In flipping through the internet trying to get my own answers to the "What race were the Egyptians?" question I came across several documents that suggested that the Egyptians were basically a mish mash of different races who didn't have the same idea of "race" as we do today.

This reminded me of an earlier conversation on another message board where a biblical scholar was promoting Intelligent design ( not Creationism..but please, lets not go there now ) and his answer to charges that "the bible is racist" were met by the same sentiments I expressed above.

So if it's true, that in the times that the bible were penned, that race wasn't what we think of it to be today and was more of a cultural thing, then the idea that the races shouldn't mix is indeed a revisionist theory in itself.

[LostAngeles]

He's already said in this thread that there are three - White, Black and Asian, and that, for the white "race" at least, there is no overlap. One drop of black or Asian blood makes you black or Asian. Whites are "pure".

Oh, and Egyptians are white.

Unless you're me and the black-white-Korean makes you, "Southern European Meditteranean."

[ImaginalDisc]

Unless you're me and the black-white-Korean makes you, "Southern European Meditteranean."

Half man.

Half bear.

Half pig.

[Radrook]

Just as women should be wary around "strange men" so should whites be vigilante and on their guard around nonwhites, particularly when around blacks that subscribe to the "gangsta" lifestyle, a group which has a tendency to commit crime at rates massively out of proportion to their numbers. Only the illegal Mexican immigrant gives blacks a run for their money in this regard.

Blacks make up approximately 12.6% of the US population, a percentage that is gradually decreasing because these people commit 37% of all abortions, so much for the neo-con barefaced lie that blacks are "socially conseravtive". That must be why they almost singlehandly keep the baby butchering mills running and why over 90% of them consistently vote Democrat, "conservative" my butt! It's time for Conservatives to grow some balls and stop making excuses for immoral black behavior, and place the blame squarely where the problem lies. Blacks are responsible fo their own behavior just like anyone else, it is not the fault of whites, liberal or otherwise.

Despite making up only 12.6% of the population they commit over 50% of the crime, and it is not because of the excuse liberals would have you believe that it's all the fault of poverty (as if being poor was ever a valid excuse in the first place to break the law!). It is far more to do with a sub-culture that glorifies crime and wrong doing and a group where illegitimate births and single parent households are the norm. Children need both a mother and father, that is the best circumstances to raise a child and that is the natural order, and a boy raised without a father is much more likely to be a criminal and/or a homosexual.

You put a child with a homosexual "couple" to raise as a "family" and that is paramount to child abuse! That child will grow up to be confused, will grow up being taught that rather than homosexuality being an abominable sin worthy of death, it is not only normal and right but is better than heterosexuality, and as a result of this wicked indoctrination is far more likely to choose that lifestyle.

In the USA, blacks are also more than five times as likely to go to jail, reflecting the seriousness of the crimes this group perpitrates. They are also more than 30 times likely to have AIDS than a white heterosexual and world wide, over 92% of all AIDS cases are amongst Africans, which just goes to show you the type of reckless lifestyles that many of these people lead.

The problem within the black community is not that many of them define themselves by their race and then build a culture around that to form their own racial identity, as that is an important part of many peoples identity and each race has its own distinctive culture and heritage. No, the problem is these black people in question create a negative culture as the basis of their racial identity rather than a positive one.

They would be much better off, as would society as a whole, if more of them would make the effort to assimilate fully into Western society by abandoning multiculturalism and adopting the culture of the Western society in which they reside. You don't have to be white to follow a Western culture and I believe it is highly desirable for all those living in Western countries to do so.

The West must protect and maintain its unique and extremely important culture which has been such a tremendous force for good throughout the world if our people and their way of life are to survive and flourish now and into the future.


I agree that there is a certain "attitude of being bad is good" or " I gotta prove I'm tough" attitude that tends to stand out in the USA. However, to say that the attitude is based on race is where we differ. If indeed such an attitude were race-determined, then we would see it uniformly distributed regardless of geographic location but we don't. It seems to be mainly a USA black population thing. Actually, you seem to be ignoring the cultural; historical influences that affect how people behave. Why?

Culture develops as a response to the environment, as a survival adaptive mechanism. Take for example Einstein. Had he been born in the Amazon jungle he would probably have been a good hunter. But he would never have become a scientist. Did the Chinese bind women's feet feet due to race? Right now the Chinese men like normal feet on their women. Behavior changes with the passage of time. Does that mean that the Chinese are now a different race? An Afro American or Hispanic person is brought up in England he behaves like an English citizen does. If race were the determining factor in behavior he would behave like this wouldn't happen. There would be no difference.

Also, if the apparent present technological superiority is racially based, then the past stupidity has to be racially based as well in order to avoid contradicting ourselves. For example, northern Europeans gained the reputation of being stupid by the southern and Eastern Europeans and were mainly valued as warriors and menial servants or fodder for the gladiatorial entertainment if taken captive. Now they no longer have that reputation. Were they another race while they were acting stupid? Or is it simply that their culture changed? It is I either one or the other.

About being careful, I agree that white people should be careful in certain neighborhoods where black Americans predominate. Whites should also be careful in neighborhoods in which Mexicans predominate. Conversely, blacks and Hispanics should be careful in neighborhoods where Anglos predominant. There is a criminal element in certain neighborhood, for example, that would harass readily beat mangle or kill any person perceived as non-white-some of and which might very well include the police departments in those neighborhoods.

So I agree about the caution, but I disagree in applying it only to white safety since others are also in danger when among whites.

About interracial marriages, each person has a right to choose and to personal preferences. However, treating others as if they were inferior via persecuting and striving to deprive them of their rights as human beings or their rights citizens is where I do not agree. Maybe because I have been a victim of that type of mentality and it comes across as extremely cruel and totally unwarranted and can lead only to resentment and social fragmentation which you claim to be averse to.

As I said, caution and preferences are understandable. But persecution, harassment, deprivation of human rights, efforts at humiliation due to a sense of superiority or a sense of having a patriotic duty are not. In fact, I consider persons who behave that way enemies of democracy, non Christian, and basically hypocrites if they claim to be otherwise.

Also, when I read human history I fail to see any moral superiority of any one racial group over the others. Immoral selfish cruel wars and massacres have occurred in all continents and among all races. We have Hitler, we have Shaka Zulu, we have Genghis Khan and his rampaging hordes.

So where is the vaunted white superiority, In fact, if we are to measure on the basis of moral superiority which a superior race is supposed to display by default, then we find that the atrocities committed by the white race under Hitler far surpassed all others in both magnitude and type. So if superiority is to be sought you won't find it there.

Does the white race's present prominence mean INNATE mental superiority? If that criteria had been used when China had surged ahead and then predominated for thosands of years, then the Oriental race would have qualified as the superior for thousands of years. Later the Arabs also shone brightly while Europe still lagged behind and the argument of racial superiority would be applicable to Islamic nations and their culture.

Also, one would expect a superior race to produce its own innovations and not have to steal or borrow and mimic the inventions of so-called inferiors. Yet we have the Europeans stealing China's ideas, borrowing from the Arab and Indian accomplishments. Accomplishment that would make our present technology possible-such as rockets, the decimal system of numbers and Algebra among others.

If superior then why all the stealing and borrowing? Because if they had not stolen and borrowed they would have remained stagnant as they had been during the previous thousands of years.

In short, we seem to differ in this particular area.

BTW
How can a culture that is said to be so superior to the others be the source of two World Wars, endanger human survival on this planet via pollution and provide us with the capacity to destroy ourselves several times over?

[Prometheus]

Any geneticists in the house, please help me out, as it's been a long time since I studied this stuff. We get half our genes from each parent right? So does this mean that we necessarily get 25% of our genes from each grandparent, or is it possible to inherit genes from only two of the four grandparents? That is, if the offspring of two sets of inter-racial parents mate, can the third generation possibly contain genes from only the two "white" or only the two "black" grandparents?

[ImaginalDisc]

Any geneticists in the house, please help me out, as it's been a long time since I studied this stuff. We get half our genes from each parent right? So does this mean that we necessarily get 25% of our genes from each grandparent, or is it possible to inherit genes from only two of the four grandparents? That is, if the offspring of two sets of inter-racial parents mate, can the third generation possibly contain genes from only the two "white" or only the two "black" grandparents?

No, because "race" has no biological definition.

Now that I'm done being a smart ass, it's statistically highly improbable that anyone would not inherit any of the genes from any one of their grandparents, let alone two. There are some 20,000 to 25,000 genes in our genome which are unique to humans (you'd be surprised how much we have in common in starfish) and the chances of having half your grandparents’ relevant genetic material excluded (assuming it isn't impossible, such as excluding both of the mother's parents) is 1 out of 2^10,000, at least. That's a number so small I don't have access to a calculator that can process it.

[Judge Bean]

Any geneticists in the house, please help me out, as it's been a long time since I studied this stuff. We get half our genes from each parent right? So does this mean that we necessarily get 25% of our genes from each grandparent, or is it possible to inherit genes from only two of the four grandparents? That is, if the offspring of two sets of inter-racial parents mate, can the third generation possibly contain genes from only the two "white" or only the two "black" grandparents?

All our genetic stuff, including the need to examine invisible parts of ourselves for moral answers, comes from Africa.

Africa the mother of humanity.

[Prometheus]

No, because "race" has no biological definition.

Now that I'm done being a smart ass, it's statistically highly improbable that anyone would not inherit any of the genes from any one of their grandparents, let alone two. There are some 20,000 to 25,000 genes in our genomes which are unique to humans (you'd be surprised how much we have in common in starfish) and the chances of having half your grandparents’' genetic material excluded (assuming it isn't impossible, such as excluding both of the mother's parents) is 1 out of 2^10,000, at least. That's a number so small I don't have access to a calculator that can process it.

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Thank you!

I asked because I'm white-skinned (Irish-Lithuanian) and my wife is dark-skinned (Congolese), but she has at least one "white" great-grandparent. Our daughter is snow-white (lighter skinned even than me), and doesn't display any of the other physical characteristics described by Xenon as "black". She looks most like a mix of me and my maternal grandmother. And at age 11-months she's apparently smarter than Xenon (though I'm open to the possibility that this is just proud parental bias). I was just wondering how unlikely it is that my daughter is more "white" than either of her parents.

[ImaginalDisc]

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Thank you!

I asked because I'm white-skinned (Irish-Lithuanian) and my wife is dark-skinned (Congolese), but she has at least one "white" great-grandparent. Our daughter is snow-white (lighter skinned even than me), and doesn't display any of the other physical characteristics described by Xenon as "black". She looks most like a mix of me and my maternal grandmother. And at age 11-months she's apparently smarter than Xenon (though I'm open to the possibility that this is just proud parental bias). I was just wondering how unlikely it is that my daughter is more "white" than either of her parents.

Oh, XenonII's really focusing on pigmentation, and that's an area of active research, which is a fancy way of saying it's not known clearly what causes it. If you can stand a really technical paper, this is a good one (http://www.imb.uq.edu.au/download/large/Bioessay.pdf)(and free, in .pdf format.) Basically, many of the genes which influence pigmentation have been identified and studied, but pigmentation's a complex emergent property of at least several interacting genes, such as this one (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0002E7CA-F27B-13A1-AFAA83414B7FFE9F), just like many other traits. What also makes it a murky issue is that the anatomy of the melanocytes in human skin is different from most other animals.

Caveat: You asked for a geneticist, and I'm just a undergraduate in Biology and Environmental Studies.

In your case, the chances of having a baby who appears entirely "white" or entirely "asian" isn't all that unlikely.

P.S. This racial stuff is so silly, anyhow. There's more genetic diveristy within the populations of Africa than among all the people in all the rest of the world combined. The two Kenyans in my water management class are from different ethnic groups, and I would hardly be surprised if they were more genetically different from each other than any of the rest of us in that class.

P.P.S. Humans aren't terribly genetically diverse anyway.

[bruto]

Most of us are human, Xenon; being pure bred is nothing to boast about unless your mom took best in show at Westminster, which in your case I would stipulate.

[Judge Bean]

Most of us are human, Xenon; being pure bred is nothing to boast about unless your mom took best in show at Westminster, which in your case I would stipulate.

Genetics is a bitch.

[Radrook]

The danger is in placing the blame for racism solely on white people when blacks are just as willing, able and ready to dish out racism when they find it in their best interest to do so. That's one reason I no longer pay attention to the usual complaints aired on TV and the constant pointing of fingers at the supposedly evil white man. If indeed racism is to be condemned it has to be condemned no matter who practices it.

As for the fear of being bred out of existence, that too is a consequence of certain statements made to the effect that the white race is targeted to be bred out of existence. I heard it on the Oprah Winfrey show and the comment was made as a threat by an African American woman against a white racist.

"You are so mixed up right now that we will soon breed you out of existence!" were her exact words.


True, she was provoked. But such comments only serve to confirm what these white racists already believe-that the white race is being targeted in that manner.

Also, racism isn't just overtly persecuting someone or verbally attacking the person. Racism can be practiced very insidiously by merely treating some people one way and then treating the others another way. For example, there have been blatant racial statements made here by a self proclaimed northern European against the black race. The same black woman who had previously responded in heated manner simply because I expressed preferences in terms of a mate, responded to this racist in a
flirtatiously very docile and meek manner.

In short, his comments were acceptable though they were blatantly racist. Mine, which were not, and which were expressed in a courteous tactful manner were not. Why? Well, because he is Northern European and being Northern European means that in her book he deserves a docile response while I deserve to be confronted with both barrels blazing. Nothing new since that attitude I encountered before repeatedly. But in my book though it might be acceptable and common, it is still blatantly it is racist and those having that type of modus operandi are the least qualified to be telling others about fair treatment.

So please spare me the black victim Bs since it smacks of hipocrisy.


Just an echo.

Yooohoo! : )

[LostAngeles]

The danger is in placing the blame for racism solely on white people when blacks are just as willing, able and ready to dish out racism when they find it in their best interest to do so. That's one reason I no longer pay attention to the usual complaints aired on TV and the constant pointing of fingers at the supposedly evil white man. If indeed racism is to be condemned it has to be condemned no matter who practices it.

As for the fear of being bred out of existence, that too is a consequence of certain statements made to the effect that the white race is targeted to be bred out of existence. I heard it on the Oprah Winfrey show and the comment was made as a threat by an African American woman against a white racist.

"You are so mixed up right now that we will soon breed you out of existence!" were her exact words.


True, she was provoked. But such comments only serve to confirm what these white racists already believe-that the white race is being targeted in that manner.

Also, racism isn't just overtly persecuting someone or verbally attacking the person. Racism can be practiced very insidiously by merely treating some people one way and then treating the others another way. For example, there have been blatant racial statements made here by a self proclaimed northern European against the black race. The same black woman who had previously responded in heated manner simply because I expressed preferences in terms of a mate, responded to this racist in a
flirtatiously very docile and meek manner.

In short, his comments were acceptable though they were blatantly racist. Mine, which were not, and which were expressed in a courteous tactful manner were not. Why? Well, because he is Northern European and being Northern European means that in her book he deserves a docile response while I deserve to be confronted with both barrels blazing. Nothing new since that attitude I encountered before repeatedly. But in my book though it might be acceptable and common, it is still blatantly it is racist and those having that type of modus operandi are the least qualified to be telling others about fair treatment.

So please spare me the black victim Bs since it smacks of hipocrisy.


Just an echo.

Yooohoo! : )

I'm not simply black. I'm mixed.

XenonII has shown himself to be a twit. If you can't tell that I was making fun of him, you should really take a few classes in reading comprehension.

That is, when you're not busy hating black people for the actions of a few. When I finish watching the news here, I'll join you by looking in the mirror and hating my whiteness for all the crap I've taken at the hands of white people.

It'll be fun!

[Radrook]

I'm not simply black. I'm mixed.

XenonII has shown himself to be a twit. If you can't tell that I was making fun of him, you should really take a few classes in reading comprehension.

That is, when you're not busy hating black people for the actions of a few. When I finish watching the news here, I'll join you by looking in the mirror and hating my whiteness for all the crap I've taken at the hands of white people.

It'll be fun!

You sure came across as sucking up to the whites in those posts, and as evading your blackness by emphasizing how very little heritage you owe them, and how really different your appearance is to the point of looking Asian and not black. Seems like you take far more pride in your non-black part and use it only when you feel that it could be a tool in your opposition to other minority members. Comes a true racist and opens up with a no-holds barred attack on your supposed blackness and you verbally melt all over him with sweetness and coyness. To me that represents hypocrisy to the highest degree.

Then you have the gumption of calling others haters,
Your sincerity and with it your credibility is shot to hell on my book.

[bruto]

You sure came across as sucking up to the whites in those posts, and as evading your blackness by emphasizing how very little heritage you owe them, and how really different your appearance is to the point of looking Asian and not black. Seems like you take far more pride in your non-black part and use it only when you feel that it could be a tool in your opposition to other minority members. Comes a true racist and opens up with a no-holds barred attack on your supposed blackness and you verbally melt all over him with sweetness and coyness. To me that represents hypocrisy to the highest degree.

Then you have the gumption of calling others haters,
Your sincerity and with it your credibility is shot to hell on my book.

Are you suggesting that LA should buy into Xenon's preoposterous contention that any "black blood" at all makes you simply black, and his moronically obtuse and uninformed notion that people with black lineage always look black? Why is LA "evading her blackness" in pointing out from the obviously better informed source of her own mirror that this is a load of bollocks? If she wanted to "evade her blackness" she could always just not have brought it up at all. Who here would know?

[Radrook]

Are you suggesting that LA should buy into Xenon's preposterous contention that any "black blood" at all makes you simply black, and his moronically obtuse and uninformed notion that people with black lineage always look black? Why is LA "evading her blackness" in pointing out from the obviously better informed source of her own mirror that this is a load of bollocks? If she wanted to "evade her blackness" she could always just not have brought it up at all. Who here would know?

Bullocks if I said it which I did not.

It definitely is preposterous and I don't buy into it much less suggest that other do so. Initially, however, she made no claim of mixture but simply said she was black, proceeded vehemently to defend her black race, resorted to accusations of racism, used words which had to be replaced by asterisks, and was exceeding very verbal in her defense of her blackness. This in response to a mere statement that we all are entitled to our preferences in choosing a mate and that there definitely exists tension between the black community and the Hispanic.

Suddenly Xenon comes in with a nasty barrage of racial statements and and Los Angeles begins identifying herself with mostly Orientals and whites with only a weak reference to her black ancestry. Describing herself as appearing non-black, and responding his nasty insults by coquettishly using her feminine charms via cute questions. Why the soft touch with a blatant racist and the vehement response in reference to someone who merely said that we all have our right to choose when it comes to marriage? Well, Xenon is British. I am not. That's the only difference I can see for the shift in her approach. A difference I am tired of observing among blacks and Anglos in similar circumstances. So I assume it is an ingrained cultural thing which insidiously kicks in automatically when the opportunity presents itself. Not that Los Angeles agrees with Xenon, Of course not. Only that she considers him worthy of getting a less confrontational answer than a Hispanic does, Nothing more.

[bruto]

Bullocks if I said it which I did not.

It definitely is preposterous and I don't buy into it much less suggest that other do so. Initially, however, she made no claim of mixture but simply said she was black, proceeded vehemently to defend her black race, resorted to accusations of racism, used words which had to be replaced by asterisks, and was exceeding very verbal in her defense of her blackness. This in response to a mere statement that we all are entitled to our preferences in choosing a mate and that there definitely exists tension between the black community and the Hispanic.

Suddenly Xenon comes in with a nasty barrage of racial statements and and Los Angeles begins identifying herself with mostly Orientals and whites with only a weak reference to her black ancestry. Describing herself as appearing non-black, and responding his nasty insults by coquettishly using her feminine charms via cute questions. Why the soft touch with a blatant racist and the vehement response in reference to someone who merely said that we all have our right to choose when it comes to marriage? Well, Xenon is British. I am not. That's the only difference I can see for the shift in her approach. A difference I am tired of observing among blacks and Anglos in similar circumstances. So I assume it is an ingrained cultural thing which insidiously kicks in automatically when the opportunity presents itself. Not that Los Angeles agrees with Xenon, Of course not. Only that she considers him worthy of getting a less confrontational answer than a Hispanic does, Nothing more.

OK, I understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure I can agree with you on LA's apparent behavior. Only she can speak to that question, but you might consider the possibility that you have been addressed more directly because you not such an obviously intransigent fool as Xenon, and deserve the respect of a harsher answer, while it is difficult to find any response between humorous banter and vehement flaming that is worth pursuing with Xenon.

[LostAngeles]

Bullocks if I said it which I did not.

It definitely is preposterous and I don't buy into it much less suggest that other do so. Initially, however, she made no claim of mixture but simply said she was black, proceeded vehemently to defend her black race, resorted to accusations of racism, used words which had to be replaced by asterisks, and was exceeding very verbal in her defense of her blackness. This in response to a mere statement that we all are entitled to our preferences in choosing a mate and that there definitely exists tension between the black community and the Hispanic.

Suddenly Xenon comes in with a nasty barrage of racial statements and and Los Angeles begins identifying herself with mostly Orientals and whites with only a weak reference to her black ancestry. Describing herself as appearing non-black, and responding his nasty insults by coquettishly using her feminine charms via cute questions. Why the soft touch with a blatant racist and the vehement response in reference to someone who merely said that we all have our right to choose when it comes to marriage? Well, Xenon is British. I am not. That's the only difference I can see for the shift in her approach. A difference I am tired of observing among blacks and Anglos in similar circumstances. So I assume it is an ingrained cultural thing which insidiously kicks in automatically when the opportunity presents itself. Not that Los Angeles agrees with Xenon, Of course not. Only that she considers him worthy of getting a less confrontational answer than a Hispanic does, Nothing more.

No, I told you I was partially black also. EDIT: I just went and rechecked. I did not explicitly say I was mixed. I did mention." not being the right race for some family members." I suppose if you were capable of reading comprhension, you might have picked that up. Instead you just picked up that I was a ****** and therefore hated your Hispanic ass. :EDIT Xenon thinks race-mixing is a sin against God. I've already played with him in the, "Is homosexuality wrong," thread. He's an idiot, I laid a mocking trap, he walked right in and many of us had a very good laugh.

That wasn't a, "soft touch," that was pure mocking! I used what I saw of Xenon's posting style and appealed to it. Note my usage of religious terminology.

You were making assertions that could be countered. You were worthy of being countered since I considered you someone who could take in information, consider it, and then come back with a response and not someone who would continue spouting the same line over and over and over again.

Clearly I was wrong.

Clearly you lack any kind of reading comphrension if you couldn't find the mocking in my response to XenonII. Perhaps you should kick around the forum a bit more.

[Radrook]

No, I told you I was partially black also. EDIT: I just went and rechecked. I did not explicitly say I was mixed. I did mention." not being the right race for some family members." I suppose if you were capable of reading comprhension, you might have picked that up. Instead you just picked up that I was a ****** and therefore hated your Hispanic ass. :EDIT Xenon thinks race-mixing is a sin against God. I've already played with him in the, "Is homosexuality wrong," thread. He's an idiot, I laid a mocking trap, he walked right in and many of us had a very good laugh.

That wasn't a, "soft touch," that was pure mocking! I used what I saw of Xenon's posting style and appealed to it. Note my usage of religious terminology.

You were making assertions that could be countered. You were worthy of being countered since I considered you someone who could take in information, consider it, and then come back with a response and not someone who would continue spouting the same line over and over and over again.

Clearly I was wrong.

Clearly you lack any kind of reading comphrension if you couldn't find the mocking in my response to XenonII. Perhaps you should kick around the forum a bit more.

The human penchant for asking to be taken at word while refusing to grant others the same courtesy is really outstanding. Here you are demanding that I accept your assurances as legitimate while tagging my explanations unacceptable and incomprehensible. Continually I have been told on this forum that I am not understood and have never insulted the person by saying he or she is either undereducated, retarded or else in need of remedial classes in basic English comprehension. You, on the other hand, seem to be always on the verge of hurling a bad-ass insulting comeback at me at the slightest disagreement. Along comes Xenon boasting about his British racial superiority and your tone immediately changed from disrespectful contempt to courteous docility spiced with a dash of fragile feminine charm and buttressed by tantalizing descriptions of light shaded cinnamon skin oriental eyes and narely a trace of blackness.

Your motives, you claim were not due to his being British and so being considered more acceptable in terms of criticizing your self-proclaimed blackness. Perhaps, but the sudden change of modus operandi which had you humbly begging him for assurances and gently asking him for explanations after having repeatedly and enthusiastically lambasted me mercilessly stood out like the proverbial sore thumb in the same way that all other favoritism based on ethnic or race does. As for your respect-if indeed a sarcastic contemptuous tone and a belligerence impervious to any type of reason is showing respect, then you must have your own definition which is totally contrary to the dictionary's.

BTW

Countering is worthless-it's refutation that is important.

If you cannot refute Xenon's assertions but can only counter, then you don't know your subject well enough to be attempting to clarify it. I countered all his assertions in my posts. So your claim that they are not refutable is either based on insufficient knowledge or just plain laziness in doing the required research.

Also, you refuted none of my assertions since you did not prove that I am lying but merely gave your opinion. Cpountering requires refutal via logic, statistics, expert opinion vvia citations iusing reliable sources. Opinion, which is all you gave,doesn't qualify as a refutation. Basic stuff. So much for your vaunted great learning.

[LostAngeles]

The human penchant for asking to be taken at word while refusing to grant others the same courtesy is really outstanding. Here you are demanding that I accept your assurances as legitimate while tagging my explanations unacceptable and incomprehensible. Continually I have been told on this forum that I am not understood and have never insulted the person by saying he or she is either undereducated, retarded or else in need of remedial classes in basic English comprehension. You, on the other hand, seem to be always on the verge of hurling a bad-ass insulting comeback at me at the slightest disagreement. Along comes Xenon boasting about his British racial superiority and your tone immediately changed from disrespectful contempt to courteous docility spiced with a dash of fragile feminine charm and buttressed by tantalizing descriptions of light shaded cinnamon skin oriental eyes and narely a trace of blackness.

Your motives, you claim were not due to his being British and so being considered more acceptable in terms of criticizing your self-proclaimed blackness. Perhaps, but the sudden change of modus operandi which had you humbly begging him for assurances and gently asking him for explanations after having repeatedly and enthusiastically lambasted me mercilessly stood out like the proverbial sore thumb in the same way that all other favoritism based on ethnic or race does. As for your respect-if indeed a sarcastic contemptuous tone and a belligerence impervious to any type of reason is showing respect, then you must have your own definition which is totally contrary to the dictionary's.

BTW

Countering is worthless-it's refutation that is important.

If you cannot refute Xenon's assertions but can only counter, then you don't know your subject well enough to be attempting to clarify it. I countered all his assertions in my posts. So your claim that they are not refutable is either based on insufficient knowledge or just plain laziness in doing the required research.

Also, you refuted none of my assertions since you did not prove that I am lying but merely gave your opinion. Cpountering requires refutal via logic, statistics, expert opinion vvia citations iusing reliable sources. Opinion, which is all you gave,doesn't qualify as a refutation. Basic stuff. So much for your vaunted great learning.

This the most amazing thing I've ever seen.

I can't comprehend why you keep asserting that I was being docile towards XenonII. I suggest you check the, "Is homosexuality wrong," thread over in R&P for other comments I've made towards him. Everyone else seems to have figured out that I was baiting XenonII. Why can't you?

Let me further point out that I had no idea you were Hispanic until you mentioned it towards the end of our exchange. How then, am I finding Xenon's Britishness more worthy than your Hispanic heritage?

Answer: I'm not. I found your assertions more worthy of being answered. We've already been over Xenon's crap. We know it's crap. After having gone a few rounds with you, I now know you're a racist. (Hint: If you hate black people, you're still a racist. That you may have dark skin yourself doesn't matter.)

XenonII is not worthy of a real response. You were. At least until you ruined any opportunity for me to find out from XenonII what race Middle-Easterners, Indians, Native Americans, and Hispanics were. Thanks for ruining the fun of kicking the troll.

If you can't understand the, "sudden change," then you've missed THE ENTIRE JOKE. XenonII, like most idiotic trolls, operates in his own bubble. Xenon isn't going to pay attention to anything I've written if it doesn't coincide with whatever it is he wants to harp about or if it's directed at him. I wanted Xenon to look stupid, hence, I need to, "play nice," in order to bait him into the trap.

I didn't, "lambast," you, "mercilessily." I asked you to back up your assertions and you failed. Had you been able to do so, I would have then been able to conisder what you were saying. Instead you showed yourself to hate people of African descent because you perceived them as hating your own ethnic group.

Radrook, you're a racist, a crybaby, and a waste of time. Please do what you said you were going to do three times over in this thread and just drop out of this discussion.

I hereby predict that you won't do so and will continue to post the same thing, rephrased, quoting my post, without having actually read it.

[Radrook]

This the most amazing thing I've ever seen.

[quote]I can't comprehend why you keep asserting that I was being docile towards XenonII.



Well, ummm, you certainly weren't being overtly confrontational. Unless such questions as

"Am I being a bad girl?" "Can I marry a white person now etcetara ad nauseum be classified as confrontational and not a sudden shift into a mode which any racist would gleefully enjoy. Of course, I will not be as irrational as you are and pretend to know your motives since motives are of the heart and only God can delve into that area with the certainty that you are presumptuously and blasphemously showing toward me. But I can tell you that based on my vast experience at the receiving end of racism, your approach is offensive since it assumes a humble stance before arrogance and a meek humble stance before arrogance only serves to encourage further racism.



I suggest you check the, "Is homosexuality wrong," thread over in R&P for other comments I've made towards him. Everyone else seems to have figured out that I was baiting XenonII. Why can't you?

Maybe I'm too Hispanic to understand. After all, you claim to be too black to understand me. So that answer should suffice shouldn't it?



Let me further point out that I had no idea you were Hispanic until you mentioned it towards the end of our exchange. How then, am I finding Xenon's Britishness more worthy than your Hispanic heritage?

This is hilarious. Now you have me going through the eye-rolling routine you say I put you through when I said that my best friends had been black.

I'm not. I found your assertions more worthy of being answered. We've already been over Xenon's crap. We know it's crap. After having gone a few rounds with you, I now know you're a racist. (Hint: If you hate black people, you're still a racist. That you may have dark skin yourself doesn't matter.)

So I am a dark skin person because I am Hispanic? Be careful--your racist bigotry based on profound ignorance is showing!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic


XenonII is not worthy of a real response. You were. At least until you ruined any opportunity for me to find out from XenonII what race Middle-Easterners, Indians, Native Americans, and Hispanics were. Thanks for ruining the fun of kicking the troll
If you can't understand the, "sudden change," then you've missed THE ENTIRE JOKE. XenonII, like most idiotic trolls, operates in his own bubble. Xenon isn't going to pay attention to anything I've written if it doesn't coincide with whatever it is he wants to harp about or if it's directed at him. I wanted Xenon to look stupid, hence, I need to, "play nice," in order to bait him into the trap.

Maybe you should create your own dictionary since now
responding by baiting isn't a response.

I didn't, "lambast," you, "mercilessly." I asked you to back up your assertions and you failed. Had you been able to do so, I would have then been able to consider what you were saying. Instead you showed yourself to hate people of African descent because you perceived them as hating your own ethnic group.

Of course you didn't lambast, you just kindly called me both a hypocrite and racist, something which you tactfully refrained from calling British Xenon. I hate because I exercise my freedom to choose? that's ridiculous as it is ridiculous to say that I hate because I mention injustices inflicted by those who should be the least to be inflicting injustices on others.

Radrook, you're a racist, a crybaby, and a waste of time. Please do what you said you were going to do three times over in this thread and just drop out of this discussion.

Hilarious! Now anyone who notices your bulldozer type approach to discussions and brings it to your attention is a crybaby? How very convenient! As for dropping the conversation, will do! Unless you reply to this post-naturally.

I hereby predict that you won't do so and will continue to post the same thing, rephrased, quoting my post, without having actually read it. Let me further point out that I had no idea you were Hispanic until you mentioned it towards the end of our exchange. How then, am I finding Xenon's Britishness more worthy than your Hispanic heritage?

This is hilarious. Now you have me going through the eyerolling routine you say I put you through when I said that my best friends had been black.


XenonII is not worthy of a real response. You were. At least until you ruined any opportunity for me to find out from XenonII what race Middle-Easterners, Indians, Native Americans, and Hispanics were. Thanks for ruining the fun of kicking the troll.

Hispanics are not a race. They are a culture. Or are you conveniently blind?

If you can't understand the, "sudden change," then you've missed THE ENTIRE JOKE. XenonII, like most idiotic trolls, operates in his own bubble. Xenon isn't going to pay attention to anything I've written if it doesn't coincide with whatever it is he wants to harp about or if it's directed at him. I wanted Xenon to look stupid, hence, I need to, "play nice," in order to bait him into the trap.

Funny how you keep insisting on being understood in reference to your motives while you feel you have the right and the duty to vehemently tag my motives as racist. And this is what happens when people try to reason without taking at least a basic course in logic and why I keep insisting that such mental training be part of grade school education. Inability to see the false premise would prevent this type of irrational display. It would also prevent irrational displays which lead to racism either on a conscious level, or on the sub consciously motivated ones.


Anyone who has personal preferences is a racist.
Radrook has personal preferences
Radrook is a racist.

All Hispanics have brown skin. = false premise
Radrook is Hispanic
Radrook has brown skin.

Everyone who disagrees with me hasn't read my posts =false premise
Radrook disagrees with me
Radrook hasn't read my posts.

Everyone non-black claims to have had black best friends is lying = false premise
Radrook claims to have had black best friends.
Radrook is lying!


Any statement is false unless supported by evidence.
That statement is not supported by evidence.
That statement is false.

Which leads to the following absurdity that since no evidence for the existence of Alien life-forms has been found none exist.

Teaching kids to see clearly where they are going astray in their attempts to think would prevent this kind of drivel.

[Radrook]

OK, I understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure I can agree with you on LA's apparent behavior. Only she can speak to that question, but you might consider the possibility that you have been addressed more directly because you not such an obviously intransigent fool as Xenon, and deserve the respect of a harsher answer, while it is difficult to find any response between humorous banter and vehement flaming that is worth pursuing with Xenon.


I agree with you completely. There are statements which in themselves are insufficient grounds for reaching certain drastic conclusions. Such as, for example, that I am a racist because I have preferences in physical appearances when choosing a mate. Or that I am racist simply because I point out certain injustices prevalent among certain populations.
Are Americans racist because they prefer that people enter the USA legally? That too is a preference-isn't it? It all depend on their motives, doesn't it? If the person preferring it considers the immigrants innately inferior or if he is simply viewing them as criminals who are breaking the law. All preferences aren't based on that type of mentality but are simply preferences and nothing more.

You say that jumping to conclusions about Los Angeles' approach with Xenon is wrong. I say she is wrong in jumping to conclusions about me based on my statements.

Capiche?

BTW
A person who doesn't know the difference between ethnicity and race doesn't qual;ify to speak intelligently on the subject.

Hispanics: A Culture, Not a Race
Hispanics and Hispanicism: A culture, not a racial group or a distinct race

http://www.spanishtown.ca/educationstory1sp.htm

[bruto]

BTW
A person who doesn't know the difference between ethnicity and race doesn't qual;ify to speak intelligently on the subject.

Hispanics: A Culture, Not a Race
Hispanics and Hispanicism: A culture, not a racial group or a distinct race

http://www.spanishtown.ca/educationstory1sp.htm

I will bow out of the issues between you and LA, not really my business. I will certainly agree with that last bit. My wife, who is Cuban, has always bristled at questionnaires and the like which imply that "hispanic" and "white" are mutually exclusive. Even if you understand the social and political reasons why one might wish to delineate ethnic and racial groups without proper distinction, it still stinks.

[LostAngeles]

So I am a dark skin person because I am Hispanic? Be careful--your racist bigotry based on profound ignorance is showing!

... After having gone a few rounds with you, I now know you're a racist. (Hint: If you hate black people, you're still a racist. That you may have dark skin yourself doesn't matter.)

Once again, learn to read. "May," meaning, "possibly." "That you might have dark skin..."


Hispanics are not a race. They are a culture. Or are you conveniently blind?

XenonII is not worthy of a real response. You were. At least until you ruined any opportunity for me to find out from XenonII what race Middle-Easterners, Indians, Native Americans, and Hispanics were. Thanks for ruining the fun of kicking the troll.

Neither is Indian or Middle Eastern. That's the whole point.

Let's go over what we've been through. You and flimflam argued about parental, "preference." You claimed two incidents which in one case, you misunderstood due to what was later demonstrated to be your own bias and the other which never happened or at least, never happened in the way you said it did either. There is no evidence to show that a Mexican immigrant family living in a black neighborhood died in an arson committed by blacks. There is evidence that a Mexican immigrant family and others died in what was suspected to be an arson. Nothing about the neighborhood or any suspects.

I asked you for evidence backing those up and tried to explain that parental preference has a huge influence on their offspring. You failed to do so and were going to walk away. I went and looked for the evidence and posted what I found. You got over defensive after I assumed the arsonists would have been white. This had the added hilarity when nothing further on the case was found and you had assumed the arsonists were black and then went off on how ill-treated by blacks you were and then busted out the classic, "but some of my best friends," line.

Then you were going to walk away again.

At this time XenonII showed up. XenonII had already asserted the mortal sin of race-mixing, homosexuality, and women wearing pants in Religion and Politics.

This is the absolute last time I'm going to explain this to you:

I was baiting XenonII by playing, "nice." No attempt at a real conversation was going to happen. I attempted to have a real conversation with you.

Consider my exchange with XenonII an attempt at proof by counterexample. Assume what he's saying is correct. Produce a counterexample and show that it explodes the initial premise.

Now that you've ruined it, I can't run XenonII in self-contradictory circles about his ideas on race, genetics, and ethnicity.

[LostAngeles]

Radrook, if you truly feel slighted by my behavior towards XenonII as compared to you, I apologize. I understand that you are unable to see why there is difference and as such, there's really no way for us to go forward in this matter.

Since I don't really feel up to running around in circles on this matter anymore, we should simply leave it at that.

[Radrook]

Once again, learn to read. "May," meaning, "possibly." "That you might have dark skin..."

[quote]Neither is Indian or Middle Eastern. That's the whole point.

The whole point is that you confused an ethnic group or a group united only via culture with a race. That's the whole point. Hispanics include all races. Pure blooded Whites, Pure blooded Blacks and pure blooded yellows via the Asian immigrants and native Indian populations. They also include mulattos, Mestizos, and the mixture of all three races in different degrees. That's why their appearance varies so drastically. Example? Cameron Diaz Vs Roberto Clemente. Criistina Aguilera in contrast to Jennifer Lopez.
Jose Ferrer [the emperor in the film Dune] in contrast to Celia Cruz.
Ad infinitum

Perhaps you should tune in on Univision and see for yourself if indeed you haven't already and are simply spewing out the drivel propagated by the Afro American and Anglo community in the USA.


Let's go over what we've been through. You and flimflam argued about parental, "preference." You claimed two incidents which in one case, you misunderstood due to what was later demonstrated to be your own bias and the other which never happened or at least, never happened in the way you said it did either.There is no evidence to show that a Mexican immigrant family living in a black neighborhood died in an arson committed by blacks. There is evidence that a Mexican immigrant family and others died in what was suspected to be an arson. Nothing about the neighborhood or any suspects.


I will grant you that the hospital incident perhaps was a hasty conclusion based on my reading all the commentaries which assumed that it had been a case based on ethnic prejudice. Read the comments and see for yourself. However, in the new on Univision, it was clearly stated that the Mexican immigrants were set on fire in a black neighborhood by black residents. That I am unable to find an article on the net to bak it up means nothing since I know what I heard and absence of evidence does not constitute absence of fact.
That's basic cogent reasoning which you seem unable to fathom.



I asked you for evidence backing those up and tried to explain that parental preference has a huge influence on their offspring. You failed to do so and were going to walk away. I went and looked for the evidence and posted what I found. You got over defensive after I assumed the arsonists would have been white. This had the added hilarity when nothing further on the case was found and you had assumed the arsonists were black and then went off on how ill-treated by blacks you were and then busted out the classic, "but some of my best friends," line.

I assumed nothing in the case if the Mexicans who were torched. That I assumed is totally your idea based on who knows what premise. You can say that I did not present the evidence to prove it. What you are not justified in saying is that it didn't happen and that I assumed that blacks did it because I failed to find the evidence needed to prove it to you on the net. That's where you are tongue in cheek repeatedly proudly and contentedly entering the realm of fallacious reasoning with nary a care in the world.

BTW
I only began providing personal examples because of your seemingly irrational denial that the black community has people who might just be capable of such behavior. Strange since when you reached the conclusion that I might be Hispanic you immediately pointed out that Hispanics as a group can definitely display racist behavior toward blacks regardless of their skin color. So on the one hand you disbelieve in reference to blacks, while on the other you readily accuse Hispanics of racially based discriminatory behavior. Strange.


Then you were going to walk away again.

I usually do walk off when a person is impervious to cogent reasoning, doesn't know what cogent reasoning is, and vehemently argues via presentation of fallacies because the person doesn't know the difference between one and the other.

At this time XenonII showed up. XenonII had already asserted the mortal sin of race-mixing, homosexuality, and women wearing pants in Religion and Politics.

This is the absolute last time I'm going to explain this to you:

I was baiting XenonII by playing, "nice." No attempt at a real conversation was going to happen. I attempted to have a real conversation with you.

Consider my exchange with XenonII an attempt at proof by counterexample. Assume what he's saying is correct. Produce a counterexample and show that it explodes the initial premise. Now that you've ruined it, I can't run XenonII in self-contradictory circles about his ideas on race, genetics, and ethnicity.

So you believe that running a person in counter circles via servile questions and meek responses to his prejudices convinces the person he is wrong? Strange! You are also contradicting yourself by claiming you were not really interested in convincing Xenon because you consider him beyond reasoning and then saying that you were trying to get him to reason via your new approach. An approach you previously described as merely baiting. So which one is it? Or do you see all of these comments as totally harmonious one with the other?

BTW
I need no further explanation because I understood you perfectly the first time. You assume that I am unable to fathom your simple explanation because you feel that it has no defects and since it has no defects anyone not agreeing with you has to have not understood you or else is stupid. [false premise]

Though you might find it almost impossible to believe, I understood and understand perfectly what you claim your intentions were. I just merely disagree with your sudden preferred method in dealing with racists of British descent.

BTW
I was about to terminate this discussion but since you continue to engage me in conversation I feel it is only proper for me to reply.

[LostAngeles]

I just realized who Radrook is. I can't believe I wasted my time with this.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=25981

[Radrook]

Radrook, if you truly feel slighted by my behavior towards XenonII as compared to you, I apologize. I understand that you are unable to see why there is difference and as such, there's really no way for us to go forward in this matter.

Since I don't really feel up to running around in circles on this matter anymore, we should simply leave it at that.


Apology accepted.
I respect your request to terminate and will do so.

BTW
If indeed you are as you describe yourself to be, you are a very attractive woman.

[LostAngeles]

Apology accepted.
I respect your request to terminate and will do so.

BTW
If indeed you are as you describe yourself to be, you are a very attractive woman.

Thank you, but from your posting history, you're really not what I'm into.

[Radrook]

Thank you, but from your posting history, you're really not what I'm into.

I was merely trying to be polite in order to bring this unsavory exchange which you provoked via your lack of civility to a non-belligerent conclusion. I am a happily married man and was not making a move on you. But since you are prone to jump to conclusions and suffer from diareah of the mouth as a consequence-there you go again.

In any case, you aren't exactly my ideal either not so much because of your ridiculous illogical mentality but simply because given a choice, I prefer blond nordic type women-not oriental black haired short slanted-eyed, high cheeked boned ones. Especially if they are mixed in the manner you claim to be. So please spare yourself the delusion .

BTW

My wife is not only white, but better yet, she's properly educated and unlike you knows how to think. So much for your ridiculous suspicions.

[Radrook]

I just realized who Radrook is. I can't believe I wasted my time with this.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=25981

Oh my God! She found out who I am! Now I'm really in trouble! She found out that I lost my temper several years ago and used foul language in response to jeering and mockery. The unforgivable sin! How can I ever live through this humiliation now that the pristine, saintly, pure of lips people here know it?

Woe is me! LOL

BTW
By doing what you just did, you completely nullified your apology. You also committed the fallacy of ad hominem. Look it up. It does nothing to support the point of the discussion but merely diverts attention away from the points being discussed via attacking personalities. It is a well-known tactic used by those whose arguments are so weak they must resort to that type of thing. It only serves to prove that they really don't have a leg to stand on.
A true pity since I was looking forward to the thrust and parry of a true debate. But, I guess I was expecting too much from too little.
Oh well. Sigh!

Suggestion-put me on your censure list. Make sense?

[slingblade]

Oh my God! She found out who I am! Now I'm really in trouble! She found out that I lost my temper several years ago and used foul language in response to jeering and mockery. The unforgivable sin! How can I ever live through this humiliation now that the pristine, saintly, pure of lips people here know it?

Woe is me! LOL

BTW
By doing what you just did, you completely nullified your apology. You also committed the fallacy of ad hominem. Look it up. It does nothing to support the point of the discussion but merely diverts attention away from the points being discussed via attacking personalities. It is a well-known tactic used by those whose arguments are so weak they must resort to that type of thing. It only serves to prove that they really don't have a leg to stand on.
A true pity since I was looking forward to the thrust and parry of a true debate. But, I guess I was expecting too much from too little.
Oh well. Sigh!

Suggestion-put me on your censure list. Make sense?


Wow. You're a jerk.

[Radrook]

Wow. You're a jerk.

This is an example of the gangsta mentallity that xenon was talking about. Not all that Xenon says is drivel. He makes some excellent points as well. It's just that when certain truths which are unpalatable are brought forth some people have the tendency to shout them down because they find them intolerable to deal with on a psychological basis. Also, they shout them down because they don't have the tools available to do anything else.

For example the overrepresentation of crime statistics that Xenon gave. No one here responded to those statistics. Instead, they were ignored, Xenon was name-called and tagged, and no effort at a refutation was made. Why? Essentially because those statistics cannot be refuted due to being accurate.

But that's no excuse for trying to pass off personal opinion and time wasting childish baiting and namecalling as a viable respoonse strategy. So accusations which Zenon made were left
unchallenged when in truth they could have easily been opposed either via logic or statistical data.

Instead mere personal opinion was put forth as refutation and personal opinion, as Plato pointed out-resides in the shadow of the cave since it essentially proves only that you have a personal opinion and nothing more.


Calling people names doesn't convince anyone of anything. Neither does tagging people as racist. Those are simply personal opinions brandished about in an effort to get a rise, retaliate for some imagined wrong or simply blow off steam. The same holds true for digging up some mistake someone commited years ago in an effort to dehumanize him.

Such perverse things are totally irrelevant to the issue. Once people realize this much more can be accomplished in terms of the task at hand, which is to dispell the ignorance leading to racism and all its damaging manifestations.

[slingblade]

This is an example of the gangsta mentallity that xenon was talking about. Not all that Xenon says is drivel. He makes some excellent points as well. It's just that when certain truths which are unpalatable are brought forth some people have the tendency to shout them down because they find them intolerable to deal with on a psychological basis. Also, they shout them down because they don't have the tools available to do anything else.

For example the overrepresentation of crime statistics that Xenon gave. No one here responded to those statistics. Instead, they were ignored, Xenon was name-called and tagged, and no effort at a refutation was made. Why? Essentially because those statistics cannot be refuted due to being accurate.

But that's no excuse for trying to pass off personal opinion and time wasting childish baiting and namecalling as a viable respoonse strategy. So accusations which Zenon made were left
unchallenged when in truth they could have easily been opposed either via logic or statistical data.

Instead mere personal opinion was put forth as refutation and personal opinion, as Plato pointed out-resides in the shadow of the cave since it essentially proves only that you have a personal opinion and nothing more.


Calling people names doesn't convince anyone of anything. Neither does tagging people as racist. Those are simply personal opinions brandished about in an effort to get a rise, retaliate for some imagined wrong or simply blow off steam. The same holds true for digging up some mistake someone commited years ago in an effort to dehumanize him.

Such perverse things are totally irrelevant to the issue. Once people realize this much more can be accomplished in terms of the task at hand, which is to dispell the ignorance leading to racism and all its damaging manifestations.

Uh, yeah. So name-calling and ad homs are only justified when you do them?
Noted.

You're still a jerk.

[Redtail]

...Rats.... I missed what could have been a fun discussion.:(

(Well for me anyway.)

Ah well, about "Blacks committing 50% of the crime".
43a would seem to disagree.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/persons_arrested/table_38-43.html

Granted the numbers are still out of proportion with the population, but I've always wondered why that makes it ok to pull me over and question me about a robbery that happened 15 miles away, 10 minutes ago, the suspect in said robbery was 6' 2"-6' 4", dark skinned and fled in a 1998 Chevy S-10, when I'm 5' 7", VERY light skinned and driving a 2004 Chevy Silverado?

(I know everyone doesn't think it's ok but it is enough to make me wonder.)

[Radrook]

Slingblade is the kind of person it seems which hovers around looking for just the right situation so that he can begin venting. Not add anything useful to the thread, but just vent for venting's sake. Not that he truly feel any particular concern for the subject of racism since he has added nothing of worth here, but simply to vent his repressed frustrations in whatever way possible. That's all it is. A mindless need to vent against someone he possibly dislikes perhaps due to a misguided sense of patriotic duty which impels him to do so. Met many such persons during my days in college. Always with a snide remark ready to leave their lips, and a perpetual mindless look of disdain toward anyone they considered different and unworthy of living in what they considered their country.

Strange that such minds should be found in the hallowed halls of academe-but sadly so it was. In fact, racism tended to thrive there more so than in other places. Perhaps it was the unusual concentration of suburban Anglos which triggered this phenomenon against minorities. Or perhaps just the sight of minorities daring to be there. But for whatever reason, the place was a veritable hell hole of discrimination-encouraged by the
faculty members who because they had seniority were practically immune to being fired.
So any minority member there had to grit his teeth and bear the humiliation or else cut and run which some-unlike me-did to avoid all the venting going on in that institution of supposedly higher learning. Such individuals come on the Internet with their full baggage of prejudices and proceed to fling their garbage as usual. No diff-just a different medium and a most convenient one since the can hide cowardly beyond harm's reach.

[slingblade]

...Rats.... I missed what could have been a fun discussion.:(

(Well for me anyway.)

Ah well, about "Blacks committing 50% of the crime".
43a would seem to disagree.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/persons_arrested/table_38-43.html

I heard it was number of convictions, not number of arrests.

My numbers are from memory, and I got them from a professor (two ways out of many they could be wrong, wrong, wrong :D), but I was told that while blacks make up only 12% of the American population, they account for 70% of the prison population.

Granted the numbers are still out of proportion with the population, but I've always wondered why that makes it ok to pull me over and question me about a robbery that happened 15 miles away, 10 minutes ago, the suspect in said robbery was 6' 2"-6' 4", dark skinned and fled in a 1998 Chevy S-10, when I'm 5' 7", VERY light skinned and driving a 2004 Chevy Silverado?

(I know everyone doesn't think it's ok but it is enough to make me wonder.)

Because you might know him. You know y'all know each other. :p

[slingblade]

Slingblade is the kind of person it seems which hovers around looking for just the right situation so that he can begin venting. Not add anything useful to the thread, but just vent for venting's sake. Not that he truly feel any particular concern for the subject of racism since he has added nothing of worth here, but simply to vent his repressed frustrations in whatever way possible. That's all it is. A mindless need to vent against someone he possibly dislikes perhaps due to a misguided sense of patriotic duty which impels him to do so. Met many such persons during my days in college. Always with a snide remark ready to leave their lips, and a perpetual mindless look of disdain toward anyone they considered different and unworthy of living in what they considered their country.

1. He just PM'd me to tell me I'm on ignore. That means if I care to defend myself, he refuses to see it, but he feels free to rant about me AND tell us all who I really am, anyway. His sense of fairness leaves something to be desired.

2. I'm a woman.

3. I contributed greatly to the thread, very early on, thanks.

ETA: 4. Patriotic? Patriotic? Me? Where's that laughing dog when you need him?

Strange that such minds should be found in the hallowed halls of academe-but sadly so it was. In fact, racism tended to thrive there more so than in other places. Perhaps it was the unusual concentration of suburban Anglos which triggered this phenomenon against minorities. Or perhaps just the sight of minorities daring to be there. But for whatever reason, the place was a veritable hell hole of discrimination-encouraged by the
faculty members who because they had seniority were practically immune to being fired.
So any minority member there had to grit his teeth and bear the humiliation or else cut and run which some-unlike me-did to avoid all the venting going on in that institution of supposedly higher learning. Such individuals come on the Internet with their full baggage of prejudices and proceed to fling their garbage as usual. No diff-just a different medium and a most convenient one since the can hide cowardly beyond harm's reach.

Funny. He has me on ignore. Who's hiding, again?

Dude, you are being a jerk to LA. I'm free to make that observation, and I did. I'm not speaking about race in any way when I say you're a jerk. You're being a total putz to a very nice and very, very smart lady for no good damned reason. Nothing you've said about her constitutes an argument, and adds nothing to any discussion, much less this one.

Why don't you go have fun playing with your mental blocks for a while and let the grown-ups talk, mmmkay?

[Redtail]

I heard it was number of convictions, not number of arrests.

My numbers are from memory, and I got them from a professor (two ways out of many they could be wrong, wrong, wrong :D), but I was told that while blacks make up only 12% of the American population, they account for 70% of the prison population.

It is convictions. ;) Still in that case it shows a disparity in that Whites and Blacks can have similar percentages in arrests, but Blacks are far more likely to go to prison.



Because you might know him. You know y'all know each other. :p
:D

[Radrook]

...Rats.... I missed what could have been a fun discussion.:(

(Well for me anyway.)

Ah well, about "Blacks committing 50% of the crime".
43a would seem to disagree.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/persons_arrested/table_38-43.html

Granted the numbers are still out of proportion with the population, but I've always wondered why that makes it ok to pull me over and question me about a robbery that happened 15 miles away, 10 minutes ago, the suspect in said robbery was 6' 2"-6' 4", dark skinned and fled in a 1998 Chevy S-10, when I'm 5' 7", VERY light skinned and driving a 2004 Chevy Silverado?

(I know everyone doesn't think it's ok but it is enough to make me wonder.)

Because in the USA, people are lumped into convenient categories. Whatever happens within that category of people every member considered of the same category must pay.
If Mexicans break pinatas then all Hispanics break pinatas. If southern blacks eat grits for brakfast, then all blacks eat grits for breakfast.

It saves them time and effort and provides them with a sense of doing their part to keep things right in THEIR country. Because essentially, most Anglos do feel it is THEIR country and that all others are interlopers to lesser and greater degrees. So all their behavior is guided by that mindframe.

BTW
That's just my opinion and no one need agree.

[LostAngeles]

I was merely trying to be polite in order to bring this unsavory exchange which you provoked via your lack of civility to a non-belligerent conclusion. I am a happily married man and was not making a move on you. But since you are prone to jump to conclusions and suffer from diareah of the mouth as a consequence-there you go again.

In any case, you aren't exactly my ideal either not so much because of your ridiculous illogical mentality but simply because given a choice, I prefer blond nordic type women-not oriental black haired short slanted-eyed, high cheeked boned ones. Especially if they are mixed in the manner you claim to be. So please spare yourself the delusion .

BTW

My wife is not only white, but better yet, she's properly educated and unlike you knows how to think. So much for your ridiculous suspicions.

I don't look, "oriental." I'm often mistaken for Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Indian, Hawiian...

Ah but you don't care. "Ew, mixed."

Man, you put slingblade on ignore, but not me? You must really like me!

[slingblade]

I don't look, "oriental." I'm often mistaken for Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Indian, Hawiian...

Ah but you don't care. "Ew, mixed."

Yeah, some folks will do anything to keep the meat, starch, and veggies from touching on their plate. God forbid there should be gravy involved--they go insane.

[Radrook]

Actually, many of the things which go on in a forum of this type are simply just part of being human. Humans are in the habit-for example, of dishing out trash to others but are exceedingly reluctant whenever the trash comes hurdling back in their direction. For example, those who held the black man a slave for so many years justified it by idiotically saying that God had thus willed it so. They even convinced the slaves themselves that the slavery was a God-established institution and that all the abuse heaped upon the black man was God ordained. They did such a good job of it that the very people they were persecuting believed it and began worshipping the same God who-in their heads approved of their humiliation.

Simultaneously, however, whites were singing patriotic songs and shamelessly saying that all men were created equal-celebrating their freedom every Fourth of July in the midst of than Social obscenity called slavery. A war was even fought partially for the continuation of that atrocity when all or most civilized nations had outlawed it.

Now, turn the tables and have the white people subjected to the same treatment and the very ones perpetrating that indecency would raise their voices in cacophonous unison in protest vehemently defending their right to freedom and humane treatment. Such is human nature as it stands and it is manifested in all walks of life in various degrees. In forums like this one it rears its ugly head via people the dishing out of disrespect while demanding acceptance of the treatment as OK.

The same BS within a different context-that is all. In short, their are some who frequent such websites who being unable to think properly can only heckle and jeckle and then proceed to congratulate themselves on the efficient way they are able to defend their points via that technique. Slingblade strikes as being borderline in that area since he can shift back and forth skillfully from a mindless heckler to a semi-decent participator who is feigns to be contented for the sake of levity with an occasional snide remark. A true pity!

BTW
When I came to this forum several years ago, I failed to notice one very important thing. It is a forum primarily for skeptics who just happen to be skeptical of all that smacks of the supernatural and who will deny all counter-arguments and will resort to all types of fallacious reasoning in order to prove that those who hold religious views are wrong. Having failed to perceive this I proceeded to decently and patiently offer pro-God views
hoping to begin a stimulating give and take on an intellectual level. Unfortunately, all I received in response was malicious baiting with the intention to provoke anger. Sadly, at that time I lacked the patience and responded in a very inappropriate way. Whereupon the skeptics began celebrating claiming they had finally achieved what they were after and gloating about a mental meltdown.

So I left the forum for several years and came back promising myself not to participate in useless religious discussions here in order to avoid an exercise in futility. But then I made the mistake of participating in this forum where emotions run high and there is much heat but little light. As I should have anticipated the heckling and jeckling I wanted to avoid immediately surfaced. My mistake.

In any case, this is nothing new. It's just the same ole human tendency to verbally inflict on others via insults and disparaging remarks and not want others to inflict in response. A true pity but one which requires a rewiring of human nature.

[Foster Zygote]

It is convictions. ;) Still in that case it shows a disparity in that Whites and Blacks can have similar percentages in arrests, but Blacks are far more likely to go to prison.

They're more likely to be sentenced to death too.


One thing I've always found curious about this forum is that there seems to be a tag team of woo and ignorance. One drops out and tags another to begin.

[Hokulele]

...Rats.... I missed what could have been a fun discussion.:(</p>

(Well for me anyway.)Ah well, about "Blacks committing 50% of the crime".
43a would seem to disagree.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/persons_arrested/table_38-43.html

Granted the numbers are still out of proportion with the population, but I've always wondered why that makes it ok to pull me over and question me about a robbery that happened 15 miles away, 10 minutes ago, the suspect in said robbery was 6' 2";-6' 4", dark skinned and fled in a 1998 Chevy S-10, when I'm 5' 7", VERY light skinned and driving a 2004 Chevy Silverado?
(I know everyone doesn't think it's ok but it is enough to make me wonder.)You wouldn't happen to know if those statistics change regionally? For example, are the percentages different in the Northwest vs. the Southwest? Just idly curious.

[Redtail]

You wouldn't happen to know if those statistics change regionally? For example, are the percentages different in the Northwest vs. the Southwest? Just idly curious.

No I don't but that's a good question.

[Prometheus]

The Implicit Association Test page at Harvard provides a quick and interesting way to measure one possible aspect of racism.

Go to https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/ and click on "demonstration" After you read through the explanation and disclaimer and get to the demo tests page, choose the "Race IAT" test.

[flimflam_machine]

Well this thread got a bit weird!

Radrook, I'm afraid you're just wrong. LA's responses to XenonII were very obviously mocking and not in the least bit deferential. I think it would say more for you as a contributor if you just admitted that you missed her point and faced up to the embarrassment. There is after all a compliment in there, LA obviously thought that your posts were worthy of serious responses, while Xenon's drivel was barely worthy of kitten pictures.

You never did get round to clarifying how you would actually go about raising the fact that you didn't like the way your child's partner looked without causing serious familial strife. Would you care to do that now? Note that I don't really care about the race and racism aspect, just how you would handle it in practical terms, and what you would like and expect the outcome to be.

[XenonII]

Well, the way I see it, since being aware that there is a difference between males and females doesn't make me sexist, recognizing that there are different skin colors and such doesn't make me racist.

Race is more than just skin color or physical appearance. Different races have different levels of intelligence as proven by Science, their technilogical achievements and the sophistication of their culture and agression levels as proven by their behavior (Negroids and Arabs for example) just like different breeds of dog. It is interesting we are allowed to recognize and study the differences between breeds of dogs but because of political correctness run amok we aren't between different races of humans. Sadly to acknowledge racial difference is an invitation to be called a "racist" by a leftist. To the leftist, all races are "equal" so to claim that racial differences are real is to be a racist, which is complete nonsense in my opinion. I believe a real racist is someone who hates others because of their differences not someone who refuses to turn a blind eye to them.

[XenonII]

They're more likely to be sentenced to death too.

Only because Negroes are more likely to commit a capital offense than any other group. That's certainly not "ignorance" talking, we have the Government's own statistics to back up that basic fact. Shame the liberal media so often turns a blind eye to it! You can bet if the situation was reversed and blacks were being targeted by whites to the extent whites currently are by blacks you would never hear the end of it from the leftist media.

I'd like to ask all those Black apologists what does America gain by tolerating Blacks apart from a massively inflated crime rate? I'd also like to know why Arab Muslim immigration shouldn't be outlawed immediately when Arab Muslims were responisble for the worst terrorist attack in America's history? These people have a burning hatred of the West and seek its destruction as there actions have proven only too well. An Arab mindset is incompatiable with democracy and if America hadn't gone down the tyranical path of MultiCULTuralism, 9/11 would have never happened.

[XenonII]

All our genetic stuff, including the need to examine invisible parts of ourselves for moral answers, comes from Africa.

Africa the mother of humanity.

Evilution cult propaganda. God is the creator of humanity and the Garden of Eden isn't in Africa. Race is a genetic fact.

[XenonII]

Most of us are human, Xenon; being pure bred is nothing to boast about unless your mom took best in show at Westminster, which in your case I would stipulate.

Whose boasting? My parents had the sense to practice good racial hygeine and I will follow their moral example. If God wanted everyone to be the same race why did he create different races? Miscegenation is morally wrong no matter what society says, and it is one sin that I refuse to participate in just because society demands the acceptance of it as being "OK" and "cool", and has even legislated to provide miscegenators with special rights through interracial "marriage". Biblical correctness trumps political correctness and God's Word is FOREVER. God is the same today as he was yesterday and as he will be tomorrow and forever more! Did the Bible change in the last 50 years? NO!

[ImaginalDisc]

Only because Negroes are more likely to commit a capital offense than any other group. That's certainly not "ignorance" talking, we have the Government's own statistics to back up that basic fact. Shame the liberal media so often turns a blind eye to it! You can bet if the situation was reversed and blacks were being targeted by whites to the extent whites currently are by blacks you would never hear the end of it from the leftist media. False. While blacks make up roughly half the prison population, they're only 37% of the people sentenced to the death penalty. The race of the perpetrator isn't correlated with the likelyhood to be sentenced to death, but the race of the victim is. Commit a violent crime against a black person rather than a white person, and you're much less likely to be sentenced to death

Source. (http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engamr510462003)

Also, "Negroes?" Is this the 1930's?

I'd like to ask all those Black apologists what does America gain by tolerating Blacks apart from a massively inflated crime rate?

As race doesn't really exist, I can't very well be an apologist for it.


I'd also like to know why Arab Muslim immigration shouldn't be outlawed immediately when Arab Muslims were responisble for the worst terrorist attack in America's history?

Because collective punishment is neither productive nor just.

These people have a burning hatred of the West and seek its destruction as there actions have proven only too well.

Some do, I grant you. There also Irish terroists and American White Nationalist Terrorists. Should we therefore round up everyone at the next St. Patty's day parade, and forbid white immigration?

and An Arab mindset is incompatiable with democracy and if America hadn't gone down the tyranical path of MultiCULTuralism, 9/11 would have never happened.

Firstly, do not make the mistake of assuming all Muslims are Arab, they are actually a minority, when you consider the expansion of Islam in Asia. Secondly, do not make the mistake of assuming all Arabs are Muslim. That's as ridiculous as assuming all Italians are Catholic. Thirdly, only a slim minority of Arab Muslims are violent religious extremists.

Lastly, I want you to carefully diagram how "MultiCULTuralism" caused 9/11, now.

[JonnyFive]

Race is more than just skin color or physical appearance. Different races have different levels of intelligence as proven by Science, their technilogical achievements and the sophistication of their culture and agression levels as proven by their behavior (Negroids and Arabs for example) just like different breeds of dog. It is interesting we are allowed to recognize and study the differences between breeds of dogs but because of political correctness run amok we aren't between different races of humans. Sadly to acknowledge racial difference is an invitation to be called a "racist" by a leftist. To the leftist, all races are "equal" so to claim that racial differences are real is to be a racist, which is complete nonsense in my opinion. I believe a real racist is someone who hates others because of their differences not someone who refuses to turn a blind eye to them.

While "racism" can in fact refer to the hatred of other racial groups, it also (in fact, primarily) refers to the belief that the various racial groups have inherent levels of intelligence or capability. A racist believes, therefore, that the "race" of a person somehow sets limits on their intelligence, absent any other factors.

To say that members of one "race" group tend to do x better or worse because of statistical factors (such as that group tending to have a lower income on average, and therefore less access to quality education and lower test scores) is not racist. However, to assert that these differences are actually due to genetically inherent traits in the "race" of the people themselves is the very definition of racism (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist).

This is precisely what you are doing, ergo you are a racist, even if you don't like that term. Your posting here indicates you aren't really all that clear on the various uses of the word "race" to describe humans either. I would have thought your genetically superior intelligence would have allowed you to spend some time to look these things up. :rolleyes:

Also, it's spelled "technological."

[bruto]

Whose boasting? My parents had the sense to practice good racial hygeine and I will follow their moral example. If God wanted everyone to be the same race why did he create different races? Miscegenation is morally wrong no matter what society says, and it is one sin that I refuse to participate in just because society demands the acceptance of it as being "OK" and "cool", and has even legislated to provide miscegenators with special rights through interracial "marriage". Biblical correctness trumps political correctness and God's Word is FOREVER. God is the same today as he was yesterday and as he will be tomorrow and forever more! Did the Bible change in the last 50 years? NO!

You keep citing the Bible. If, according to you, the Bible is correct, then God did not create separate races. He created one race, represented by Adam and Eve, and racial diversification must have come later. If God did create separate races, the creation story is not accurate.

I think you are lying about the Bible. If you are not lying about the Bible, please provide chapter and verse in which racial intermarriage is forbidden. Skip the usual racist extrapolations from Canaanites and crops. We know the ancient Jews were forbidden to marry outside their faith. But where is race mentioned, and where is it said that marrying outside of race is wrong?

The very idea of race was, as far as I am aware, unknown to the writers of the bible, and therefore any idea of racial division or rules regarding it must be extrapolated from statements about other things. In other words, any citation of the Bible for support of racial ideas is, de facto, an individual interpretation, and subject to dispute. If you believe I am wrong about this, feel free to prove it.

And what do you mean by saying that allowing marriage between races is a "sepcial right?" It provides no extra privileges or benefits that are not available to those of us who marry within our race. This is a dishonest use of language, unless you're too stupid to know what is meant by the term.

[Tokenconservative]

Actually, many of the things which go on in a forum of this type are simply just part of being human. Humans are in the habit-for example, of dishing out trash to others but are exceedingly reluctant whenever the trash comes hurdling back in their direction. For example, those who held the black man a slave for so many years justified it by idiotically saying that God had thus willed it so. They even convinced the slaves themselves that the slavery was a God-established institution and that all the abuse heaped upon the black man was God ordained. They did such a good job of it that the very people they were persecuting believed it and began worshipping the same God who-in their heads approved of their humiliation.

Simultaneously, however, whites were singing patriotic songs and shamelessly saying that all men were created equal-celebrating their freedom every Fourth of July in the midst of than Social obscenity called slavery. A war was even fought partially for the continuation of that atrocity when all or most civilized nations had outlawed it.

Now, turn the tables and have the white people subjected to the same treatment and the very ones perpetrating that indecency would raise their voices in cacophonous unison in protest vehemently defending their right to freedom and humane treatment. Such is human nature as it stands and it is manifested in all walks of life in various degrees. In forums like this one it rears its ugly head via people the dishing out of disrespect while demanding acceptance of the treatment as OK.

The same BS within a different context-that is all. In short, their are some who frequent such websites who being unable to think properly can only heckle and jeckle and then proceed to congratulate themselves on the efficient way they are able to defend their points via that technique. Slingblade strikes as being borderline in that area since he can shift back and forth skillfully from a mindless heckler to a semi-decent participator who is feigns to be contented for the sake of levity with an occasional snide remark. A true pity!

BTW
When I came to this forum several years ago, I failed to notice one very important thing. It is a forum primarily for skeptics who just happen to be skeptical of all that smacks of the supernatural and who will deny all counter-arguments and will resort to all types of fallacious reasoning in order to prove that those who hold religious views are wrong. Having failed to perceive this I proceeded to decently and patiently offer pro-God views
hoping to begin a stimulating give and take on an intellectual level. Unfortunately, all I received in response was malicious baiting with the intention to provoke anger. Sadly, at that time I lacked the patience and responded in a very inappropriate way. Whereupon the skeptics began celebrating claiming they had finally achieved what they were after and gloating about a mental meltdown.

So I left the forum for several years and came back promising myself not to participate in useless religious discussions here in order to avoid an exercise in futility. But then I made the mistake of participating in this forum where emotions run high and there is much heat but little light. As I should have anticipated the heckling and jeckling I wanted to avoid immediately surfaced. My mistake.

In any case, this is nothing new. It's just the same ole human tendency to verbally inflict on others via insults and disparaging remarks and not want others to inflict in response. A true pity but one which requires a rewiring of human nature.

Sorry...you'll need to provide a link--LIIIIINNNKKKKKKKK!!!--proving that you were here before and did all that, otherwise we know you are a liar.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Whose boasting? My parents had the sense to practice good racial hygeine and I will follow their moral example. If God wanted everyone to be the same race why did he create different races? Miscegenation is morally wrong no matter what society says, and it is one sin that I refuse to participate in just because society demands the acceptance of it as being "OK" and "cool", and has even legislated to provide miscegenators with special rights through interracial "marriage". Biblical correctness trumps political correctness and God's Word is FOREVER. God is the same today as he was yesterday and as he will be tomorrow and forever more! Did the Bible change in the last 50 years? NO!

LOL!

Take notes, folks. Next time one of you is shrieking "RAAAAACCCIIISTTTTTTTTTT!!!!" at me because I think illegal aliens in my country should be sent packing, think of this guy, you n00bs.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Evilution cult propaganda. God is the creator of humanity and the Garden of Eden isn't in Africa. Race is a genetic fact.


Well where is the Garden then?

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Race is more than just skin color or physical appearance. Different races have different levels of intelligence as proven by Science, their technilogical achievements and the sophistication of their culture and agression levels as proven by their behavior (Negroids and Arabs for example) just like different breeds of dog. It is interesting we are allowed to recognize and study the differences between breeds of dogs but because of political correctness run amok we aren't between different races of humans. Sadly to acknowledge racial difference is an invitation to be called a "racist" by a leftist. To the leftist, all races are "equal" so to claim that racial differences are real is to be a racist, which is complete nonsense in my opinion. I believe a real racist is someone who hates others because of their differences not someone who refuses to turn a blind eye to them.

Giving this guy his due, he is at least partly right: we are not permitted, due to PC, to examine not only the differences (and they are real) between the "races" but also the differences between male and female humans.


Now, he's clearly a racist, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's wrong in this observation. He's also a bit of a Malthusian, which is funny given that he's ranting against leftists who just love Malthus' notions.

Tokie

[bruto]

Giving this guy his due, he is at least partly right: we are not permitted, due to PC, to examine not only the differences (and they are real) between the "races" but also the differences between male and female humans.


Now, he's clearly a racist, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's wrong in this observation. He's also a bit of a Malthusian, which is funny given that he's ranting against leftists who just love Malthus' notions.

Tokie

What do you mean by "not permitted?" What permission do you require?

[flimflam_machine]

To say that members of one "race" group tend to do x better or worse because of statistical factors (such as that group tending to have a lower income on average, and therefore less access to quality education and lower test scores) is not racist. However, to assert that these differences are actually due to genetically inherent traits in the "race" of the people themselves is the very definition of racism (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist).I have real trouble with the last part of that statement. I do believe that many of the apparent differences between "races" that are used by racists to justify their beliefs (e.g., IQ, crime rates) are actually due to differences of opportunity i.e., wealth, education etc. However, with my scientist hat on, I can't completely dismiss the possibility that there are inherent differences between "races" (however you define that) due to genetic variation. I can't assume the outcome of an experiment that is almost impossible to do because of the aforementioned confounding factors of (differences in) wealth education etc.

I don't believe that it is racist to admit that such differences could (and I emphasise could) exist, because it changes absolutely nothing. It's an interesting anthropological/genetic notion and nothing more. In the real (non academic) world such influences would likely be completely overwhelmed by environmental factors (again wealth, education, nutrition etc.) Also, in the vast majority of situations, we have to deal with individuals, not "races" (however you define that) and our response to them is based on their individual abilities and limitations, not their "race".

[The Gnomon]

Well where is the Garden then?

Tokie

The description of the "garden" seems to fit well with southern Iraq as it was prior to the human destruction of supporting forests and establishment of agriculture. :eek:

[The Gnomon]

I have real trouble with the last part of that statement. I do believe that many of the apparent differences between "races" that are used by racists to justify their beliefs (e.g., IQ, crime rates) are actually due to differences of opportunity i.e., wealth, education etc. However, with my scientist hat on, I can't completely dismiss the possibility that there are inherent differences between "races" (however you define that) due to genetic variation. I can't assume the outcome of an experiment that is almost impossible to do because of the aforementioned confounding factors of (differences in) wealth education etc.

I don't believe that it is racist to admit that such differences could (and I emphasise could) exist, because it changes absolutely nothing. It's an interesting anthropological/genetic notion and nothing more. In the real (non academic) world such influences would likely be completely overwhelmed by environmental factors (again wealth, education, nutrition etc.) Also, in the vast majority of situations, we have to deal with individuals, not "races" (however you define that) and our response to them is based on their individual abilities and limitations, not their "race".

With such statistical slight differences, regardless of causation, between "culturally identified clusters"' ("races" do not define anything) the ability of cluster category to predict anything meaningful about individuals is vanishingly small. Attempting to do so is illogical.:eye-poppi

[XenonII]

False. While blacks make up roughly half the prison population, they're only 37% of the people sentenced to the death penalty. The race of the perpetrator isn't correlated with the likelyhood to be sentenced to death, but the race of the victim is. Commit a violent crime against a black person rather than a white person, and you're much less likely to be sentenced to death

Source. (http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engamr510462003)

Also, "Negroes?" Is this the 1930's?



As race doesn't really exist, I can't very well be an apologist for it.




Because collective punishment is neither productive nor just.



Some do, I grant you. There also Irish terroists and American White Nationalist Terrorists. Should we therefore round up everyone at the next St. Patty's day parade, and forbid white immigration?



Firstly, do not make the mistake of assuming all Muslims are Arab, they are actually a minority, when you consider the expansion of Islam in Asia. Secondly, do not make the mistake of assuming all Arabs are Muslim. That's as ridiculous as assuming all Italians are Catholic. Thirdly, only a slim minority of Arab Muslims are violent religious extremists.

Lastly, I want you to carefully diagram how "MultiCULTuralism" caused 9/11, now.

Firstly, I must apologise in taking so long in getting round to responding! I do intend to answer each and every post (the ones I deem to be worth a response anyway). I have been busy with my own websites which must take priority, and I also have a new site which demands much of my spare time and I am also planning on launching a 4th (and final?!) site immently, focussing on a subject that is very close to my heart and that must be addressed. I trust that it is agreeable to respond several months later and will try and not make a habit of it!

The Blacks commit around 50% of America's crime and make up roughly 2/3rds of its prison population. In total about 70% of America's crime is commited by non-Whites despite Whites making up around 70% of America's population. Of course, if all races really were equal, as liberals insist, Whites would be commiting 70% of the crime not 30%, so clearly all races are not equal and some races are significantly more immoral in their character than others.

Approximately one in four Black males between the ages of 20-29 currently reside in jail or are on probation or parole. A Negro is more likely to be in jail than in a college dorm, even though Negroes get special treatment when it comes to selection at many colleges. Thanks to affirmative action, Blacks can be accepted based solely on their race rather than their suitability, at the expense of the White race.

Affirmative action aims for equal outcomes rather than equal opportunities. Rather than allow two different races to compete against each other on a level playing field, preference is given to the Negro. Liberals claim this is to counter alleged "racism" from Whites but the real reason is because the Negro generally has a lower IQ than Whites (and Asians) and so is much less likely to qualify for college. So Whites are penalised for being genetically superior, sounds like racism towards Whites to me, how about you?

It certainly flies in the face of the often repeated claim of "all races being equal", well if that's the case, put your money where your mouth is and get rid of the racist persecution of White people for being naturally more intellectually gifted. We can't help it! It's in our genes. We are natural born leaders and inventors and I believe the British are the cream of the crop and the REAL chosen ones!

Blacks may be "only" 37% of the people sentenced to the death penalty but let's not forget that this group only makes up 12.4% of America's population and this percentage keeps declining because the Negress is such a great supporter of the abortion industry. Coincidently, 37% of aborted babies are Black and while there is no certainly no benefit from Whites being aborted, the only benefit I can fathom from the high rate of Black abortions is that this is at least goes some small way to arresting the appalingly high crime rates in the Negro community. Some conservative commentator, the name of which escapes me, mentioned this very fact himself, of course the liberal media came down on him like a ton of bricks, simply because what he said while not being PC was the truth!

I am quite convinced it is simply in the Negroe's nature to be less law abiding as a group than most other races and specifically because of two prime reasons. First, we know that Negroes tend to have significantly lower IQs than most other races, the Nobel Prize winning discoverer of DNA, James Watson, was absolutely right, despite the liberal press savaging him simple for daring to tell the truth in these times of extremely oppresive PC tyranny, something which has been demonstrated time and time again over the decades from numermous studies, and secondly, it is also known that the Negro race has the highest level of testosterone of all races (with the Asian having the lowest, which explains for example the Asian males lack of body hair and with the White race approximately in the middle of the two extremes).

Lower general intelligence and higher levels of aggression therefore, are responsible for the Negroe's much greater likelyhood to engage in criminal behavior, not that this can be used to justify the rampant immorality of Blacks, as neither can poverty, which liberals often like to trot out as justification for the shockingly high levels of Negro crime. Well guess what? There are plenty of poor White people in America too and they don't resort to being criminals in anywhere near the levels that Blacks do! West Virgina for example, is over 96% Caucasian (sounds like paradise!) and has one of the lowest crime rates in the country, I guess the source of crime is absent from that state! Further evidence if any were needed then, that poverty is not responsible for crime, and as already mentioned poverty is no justification for crime anyway! There is NO justification for crime period no matter what your race is!

What's wrong with using the term "Negroes"? That's the correct term after all. They're the Negroid race. So Negro or Negroid are the proper scientific terms for these people. Likewise, Mongoloid is the correct term for what is commonly refered to as an Asian. I do not object to being referred to as Caucasoid or Caucasian, because that is what I am and I am proud of it. I refuse to bow down to the Communist manifesto of political correctness and call them "African-American" because us Whites do not demand to be called "European-American" or any such nonsense, we are just AMERICANS!

Talking about actual Americans of course, I am not American, I am BRITISH and proud of it! The British gave birth to America and the industrial revolution. They were responsible for the bulk of the White race's inventions, and they had the most magnificent of Empire's that consisted of nearly a quarter of the World, an Empire so great, that the sun could never set upon it! The British, God Bless them, ruled the waves. I believe the Almighty God used British Imperialism to spread civilization far and wide. The British can certainly hold their heads up high and take pride in their Empire and I believe fellow patriots that the best is yet to come and we will rise like a phoenix out of the ashes!

I still have great patriotism though for what is obviously now the greatest country on Earth, John McCain will make a fine President of the United States, he's an true all-American hero and while he certainly is not perfect (hey what man was except Jesus himself!) it is far better to have an imperfect Republican than a perfect Marxist as President! God has truely blessed these United States for it to rise to such glory and it has had the most finest of pedigrees. Blessed it surely and truely was at least until 9/11, which showed us the ugly face of Islam in all its unimaginable and horrifying evil.

Black is as PC as I will go. Negro is no more "offensive" than Anglo. It just means black in Spanish. Blacks need to decide what they are. Is it American or is it African? I think it's obvious myself and I think its obvious where they belong (here's a hint: not in a Western society that they have such tremendous difficulty adjusting to).

I believe the Blacks were quite useful for a time, but then America's leaders shook an angry fist in God's face, defiantly and with the upmost arrogance proclaiming to know what was more moral than the Creator himself and (im)moral relativalism was born. They spat in God's face when they declared slavery immoral. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that! NOWHERE! It even goes into great length to how slaves are to be treated. Opposition to the word of God is what is truely immoral and the height of blasphemy!

Race doesn't really exist you say? So I guess Racism doesn't really exist either then right? Racism was of course an invention of Karl Marx, a communist Jew, and an attempt to label anyone who would dare point out the obvious, and what would later become scientifically proven, large number of differences that exist between the races as some kind of small minded bigot, a "racist".

To the communist or the liberal, everyone is exactly the same, so any argument to the contrary must therefore be built on prejudice and hatred. Of course to believe this you have to ignore all the scientific evidence to the contrary, as well as your own eyes and ears, as well as over 6,000 years of recorded history, that all strongly points to races NOT being the same, but when has the militant leftist ever let the truth get in the way of their rediculous propaganda?

Just deny everything your opponent brings to the table and slander your opponent a bigot with your made up terms such as "racist" (someone who sticks up for themselves and their race, recognises the very real and fundamental differences that exist between the races and won't meakly accept their races genocide and the destruction of their civilization, which is a product of their race, and who opposes the double standards in society where only the liberals, Blacks, homosexuals and Jews truely have free speech and Whites are free game to come under relentless attack, but where even the minutest criticism of the Negro, Jew or homosexual is come down upon like a ton of bricks by a hostile media, no matter how truthful, in fact especially when truthful!) or "homophobe" (someone who has morals, opposes sexual perversion and special rights for deviants who choose their abomination of a lifestyle that God says is a sin worthy of death!)

Collective punishment is neither productive nor just but the White race is being punished for the so-called "sins" of past generations. Perhaps the Blacks should never have been brought to America and returning them to their native habitat would just be righting a wrong. Just imagine how much safer America would be, considering blacks make up only 12% of the population but commit over 50% of all crime.

Liberals are using alleged evilness of the European Empires and their legacy as an excuse for why Europe should be flooded with non-White immigration, and if that wasn't bad enough, the invaders don't even have to adopt our ways thanks to multiCULTuralism (and they often don't and wouldn't anyway!) MultiCULTuralism really is anti-White racism at its finest when you think about it. The White race is entitled to its own living space, free from outside interference and to the preservation of its unparalled civilization which has been responsible for the bulk of the World's greatest inventions. Where would the World be without the White race? Such a horrible predicament is not even worth contemplating for a split second, but it is clear, without Whites and without the European Empires, Africa and Australia would still be in the stone age to this day, just like when Whites brought civilization to those continents.

And how do Blacks show their appreciation? By constant whining and an appaling crime wave against their biological superiors. The Jew and the Blacks must be the two most racist races period! The remotest criticism of either, no matter how justified is "racist" and "anti-semitic", meanwhile its open season on Whites. Blacks and Jews can say whatever they want about Whites, they could shout from the rooftops for the genocide of the White race (and they have!) and no one bats an eyelid. Besides, race is just a social construct right?

Blacks practically get treated like royalty nowadays, especially in the United States where they are given all sorts of priveledges at the expense of the White race and they still can't compete with us. Billions in aid are sent every year to Africa and the continent still keeps regressing, just think if that money wasn't wasted on foreigners, Whites could advance at an even greater pace. Africa is not our responsibility anymore. The Africans wanted and got their independence thanks to PC and the continent has been regressing ever since, despite all the financial support generously (or foolishy) being sent by the West year in year out.

During my time away from this fine Forum, I have been thinking about the whole concept of race and I have come to an greater understanding on the subject. I now believe that in humans, race and sub-species is NOT the same thing after all. I believe race is a tier down from sub-species. I believe in one human species, Homo Sapiens, divided into three subspecies: the Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. Within those you have the races. The Europeans, or Whites, would be one of the races of the Caucasoid sub-species of Homo Sapiens for example, and then this race could be further sub divided into several sub races such as the Mediterranean, Nordic, Alphine types etc.

So this would make North Africans, Middle Easterners, Indians, Pakistanies, Central, Western and Northern Asians (Russians) the same subspecies as Europeans, just not the same race. An Arab, an Indian and a European are all Caucasoid, but a Chinese and an sub-Saharan Black would be Mongoloids and Negroids respectaviley. The members of the Caucasoid sub-species of human share a closer resembalance in their genetic and physical makeup than with those of the other two sub-species.

There are indeed Irish terrorists, I refer to them more really as traitors and separtists rather than nationalists, as I believe real nationalism in the British Isles is unionist in nature and regional nationalism is a nonsense to be discouraged. I believe the Irish separatist political cause to be unjust and wrong, most however nowadays thankfully have sworn off violence, at least the worst form of violence, the bombings.

When it comes to Ireland and its relationship with the rest of the British Isles, I am a neounionist. I don't just support the retention of Ulster within the Union, I support a Britain that contains the whole island of Ireland, as I don't think ANY part of the British Isles should be excluded from the UK. The solution to reunite Ireland is to do it within the Union with the Republic's eventual return rather than further divide the people of these islands.

Ulster will always be British and there will be no surrender! The rest of Ireland is British even if it doesn't realise it (yet). I believe that the British nation is divided between two sovereign states at the moment, the so-called "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" and the so-called, self styled and illegally proclaimed "Republic of Ireland". A nation can transcend national borders, ultimately being a group of people that share the same ethnicity rather than territory, the British nation being those people that are of British Isles descent.

So I don't consider non-white people in the UK for example as truely British, they can't be because the British people were not Black or Asian, they are White and primarily a mix of celtic, anglo saxon and nordic stock, the British nation being multi ethnic but not multi racial. The British state on the other hand is something entirely different and is multiracial, something it never was until the last few decades and something that it has much more increasingly become since "New Labour" came to power. So a non-white in the UK can have British citizenship, but can never truely be British in the traditional and national sense and certainly not ethnically. A nation is not multiracial, a state could be.

St. Patricks day, despite all the Irish separatist propaganda, is as much a British event as it is an Irish one. Saint Patrick was British of course, born and bred in good old Blighty and when he moved to Ireland he spent most of his time, settled and died in what is now Northern Ireland. He is one of the patron saints of the UK and his cross is in the Union flag of the United Kingdom. His flag represents the island of Ireland in its entirety and Ireland's rightful place alongside her fellow British nations of England, Scotland and Wales in unity.

Ireland is just one of the nations that make up the British nation even though most of it is currently outside of the UK itself. I wouldn't want to ban Saint Paddy's day parades, but they should take on a more British Nationalistic dimension certainly, if at least to reflect the reality of just who Saint Patrick was. He was British through and through and the separatist has no right to hijack his identity as a means to attempt to justify his own manufactured national identity.

Saint Patrick's day is also a great celebration of White Pride, one day of the year that White people are allowed to actually celebrate who they are without all the White guilt being laid upon them by a judgemental media.

Not all Muslims are Arab that's quite correct, a lot of Muslims are Mongoloids which Arabs are not. The Arab variety do seem to be quite violent. While not all Muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are Muslims, look how the Arabs reacted when the Danes, God bless their souls, had the courage to stand up to the Arabs laughable excuse of a religion. There was violence on the streets of the Middle East, the opposition to freedom of Speech was disgraceful, and matched only by the joy the Muslims oppenly expressed when they blew up the World Trade Center and murdered nearly 3,000 American citizens and could hardly contain their delight at commiting such evil.

Not that its any justification, but they were only following their barbaric excuse of a religion which demands that non converters, the despicable infidels, be killed! In the twisted reality that these people live in, they were being good little Muslims and following the orders of their child molesting and demon posessed prophet Muhammed, that's how truely sick this race of people sadly are, they are remarkably primative in their ways of thinking and in their culture, easily hundreds of years behind the West and cultures like say Japan.

As for forbidding White immigration, wasn't it White immigration that made America the greatest country on earth, enabling it to rise to the lofty heights of superpower status? Wasn't it White imperalism in Africa that lifted that savage continent out of the stone age? Wasn't it White colonialism that brought civilisation to Australia? And aren't the Blacks a thousand times better off because of it? It is a simple fact is it not, that America's founding fathers were God fearing and Bible believing good Christian men and that the United States was founded as a White Christian nation and that is how they intended it to stay and what has enabled it to prosper? It is only since the 1960s that the mass non white immigration movement has commenced.

Should we ban White immigration? Well look at the UK, with over 90% of immigrats swarming in being non-White, White immigration there is practically banned already. But why don't we ban something that actually hurts Western countries? Ban non-White immigration like it used to be! You know the Neo-Con's don't like multiculturalism anymore than I do. But what is the best way to guard against this phenomenon that so aggresively attacks and destroys White people's civilizations? By banning non White immigration you can nip this problem in the bud before it gets to far out of control. Prevention is better than cure like they say and most non-White immigrants have no intention whatsoever of assimilating into their host's culture, many even refuse to learn English and the Muslims are even now demanding separate laws for their colonisers in England, they have become so blantant and daring in their refusal to assimilate, they know our liberal overlords won't stand up to them!

How did MultiCULTuralism cause 9/11? Well those evil demonic possesed Muslims who were responsible for that outrage were residents of America. They were only in America in the first place because of the acceptance of non-White immigration and the MultiCULTuralism that springs from it. If America had stayed White like its founding fathers had desired and there were no Muslims in the USA, there would have been no religious fanatics to command those planes to fly into the World Trade Center and murder 3,000 American citizens! Multiracial socities have a history of failure and the United States will fair no better unless it dramatically and urgently changes course.

MultiCULTuralism simply doesn't work, it is communism gone wild and has been a spectacular failure leading to many thousands of deaths and it's time to stop flogging this dead horse and bury it once and for all.

[quixotecoyote]

Eeek! A racist necromancer! Run!

[JoeEllison]

Eeek! A racist necromancer! Run!

Wonderful, isn't it? A white supremacist resurrecting dead threads. :rolleyes:

[dudalb]

When it comes to Ireland and its relationship with the rest of the British Isles, I am a neounionist. I don't just support the retention of Ulster within the Union, I support a Britain that contains the whole island of Ireland, as I don't think ANY part of the British Isles should be excluded from the UK. The solution to reunite Ireland is to do it within the Union with the Republic's eventual return rather than further divide the people of these islands.

Whatta Maroon.
I suggest you go to Dublin, or anyplace in the Republic, say that and preprared to be laughed at in public.
And I have some bad news for you: The Scots seem to want out or at least heavily modify the union as well.
And I don't even want to get started on your racism and justification of slavery. If I used the words that best describe what I think about you in that regard, I would get suspended.

[dudalb]

And I am seeing something I never though I would see: MaGZ has some real competition for the most disgusting poster on JREF.

[Richard Masters]

Your insistence that white people don’t exist makes you an accessory to genocide. You hate us and want us extinguished, and everything associated with us, too, which is precisely what your philosophical and media programmers want you to think. Nothing could be more backward, ignorant, and dangerous than to follow the herd.
Cpl Ferro

This doesn't make any sense. I don't feel that I belong to "your" group any more than I feel that I belong to any other group.

But I do feel that I belong less to your group if that includes people with your worldview.

[Richard Masters]

This thread makes me feel bukkaked with stupid. :jaw-dropp

Why does only the "white race" matter? Why doesn't the destruction of the "black race" through interbreeding matter?

I'll tell you why. It's because to these racist Rule10-ers nothing matters but their precious "white identity." Everyone else is catogorized as non-white. Everyone else is the mythical Other.

Us against them. Most of us grew out of this awhile ago.

That's exactly what I was thinking. In the United States the attitude is that "one drop of black" makes an otherwise white person black, while "one drop of white" makes little difference.

Even putting aside the meaning of whiteness or blackness, the math is plain inconsistent.

To racists like cplFerro, the inconsistency is just a mechanism for excluding as many people as possible.

[Richard Masters]

Firstly, I must apologise in taking so long in getting round to responding! I do intend to answer each and every post (the ones I deem to be worth a response anyway). I have been busy with my own websites which must take priority, and I also have a new site which demands much of my spare time and I am also planning on launching a 4th (and final?!) site immently, focussing on a subject that is very close to my heart and that must be addressed. I trust that it is agreeable to respond several months later and will try and not make a habit of it!

The Blacks commit around 50% of America's crime and make up roughly 2/3rds of its prison population. In total about 70% of America's crime is commited by non-Whites despite Whites making up around 70% of America's population. Of course, if all races really were equal, as liberals insist, Whites would be commiting 70% of the crime not 30%, so clearly all races are not equal and some races are significantly more immoral in their character than others.

Approximately one in four Black males between the ages of 20-29 currently reside in jail or are on probation or parole. A Negro is more likely to be in jail than in a college dorm, even though Negroes get special treatment when it comes to selection at many colleges. Thanks to affirmative action, Blacks can be accepted based solely on their race rather than their suitability, at the expense of the White race.

Affirmative action aims for equal outcomes rather than equal opportunities. Rather than allow two different races to compete against each other on a level playing field, preference is given to the Negro. Liberals claim this is to counter alleged "racism" from Whites but the real reason is because the Negro generally has a lower IQ than Whites (and Asians) and so is much less likely to qualify for college. So Whites are penalised for being genetically superior, sounds like racism towards Whites to me, how about you?

It certainly flies in the face of the often repeated claim of "all races being equal", well if that's the case, put your money where your mouth is and get rid of the racist persecution of White people for being naturally more intellectually gifted. We can't help it! It's in our genes. We are natural born leaders and inventors and I believe the British are the cream of the crop and the REAL chosen ones!

Blacks may be "only" 37% of the people sentenced to the death penalty but let's not forget that this group only makes up 12.4% of America's population and this percentage keeps declining because the Negress is such a great supporter of the abortion industry. Coincidently, 37% of aborted babies are Black and while there is no certainly no benefit from Whites being aborted, the only benefit I can fathom from the high rate of Black abortions is that this is at least goes some small way to arresting the appalingly high crime rates in the Negro community. Some conservative commentator, the name of which escapes me, mentioned this very fact himself, of course the liberal media came down on him like a ton of bricks, simply because what he said while not being PC was the truth!

I am quite convinced it is simply in the Negroe's nature to be less law abiding as a group than most other races and specifically because of two prime reasons. First, we know that Negroes tend to have significantly lower IQs than most other races, the Nobel Prize winning discoverer of DNA, James Watson, was absolutely right, despite the liberal press savaging him simple for daring to tell the truth in these times of extremely oppresive PC tyranny, something which has been demonstrated time and time again over the decades from numermous studies, and secondly, it is also known that the Negro race has the highest level of testosterone of all races (with the Asian having the lowest, which explains for example the Asian males lack of body hair and with the White race approximately in the middle of the two extremes).

Lower general intelligence and higher levels of aggression therefore, are responsible for the Negroe's much greater likelyhood to engage in criminal behavior, not that this can be used to justify the rampant immorality of Blacks, as neither can poverty, which liberals often like to trot out as justification for the shockingly high levels of Negro crime. Well guess what? There are plenty of poor White people in America too and they don't resort to being criminals in anywhere near the levels that Blacks do! West Virgina for example, is over 96% Caucasian (sounds like paradise!) and has one of the lowest crime rates in the country, I guess the source of crime is absent from that state! Further evidence if any were needed then, that poverty is not responsible for crime, and as already mentioned poverty is no justification for crime anyway! There is NO justification for crime period no matter what your race is!

What's wrong with using the term "Negroes"? That's the correct term after all. They're the Negroid race. So Negro or Negroid are the proper scientific terms for these people. Likewise, Mongoloid is the correct term for what is commonly refered to as an Asian. I do not object to being referred to as Caucasoid or Caucasian, because that is what I am and I am proud of it. I refuse to bow down to the Communist manifesto of political correctness and call them "African-American" because us Whites do not demand to be called "European-American" or any such nonsense, we are just AMERICANS!

Talking about actual Americans of course, I am not American, I am BRITISH and proud of it! The British gave birth to America and the industrial revolution. They were responsible for the bulk of the White race's inventions, and they had the most magnificent of Empire's that consisted of nearly a quarter of the World, an Empire so great, that the sun could never set upon it! The British, God Bless them, ruled the waves. I believe the Almighty God used British Imperialism to spread civilization far and wide. The British can certainly hold their heads up high and take pride in their Empire and I believe fellow patriots that the best is yet to come and we will rise like a phoenix out of the ashes!

I still have great patriotism though for what is obviously now the greatest country on Earth, John McCain will make a fine President of the United States, he's an true all-American hero and while he certainly is not perfect (hey what man was except Jesus himself!) it is far better to have an imperfect Republican than a perfect Marxist as President! God has truely blessed these United States for it to rise to such glory and it has had the most finest of pedigrees. Blessed it surely and truely was at least until 9/11, which showed us the ugly face of Islam in all its unimaginable and horrifying evil.

Black is as PC as I will go. Negro is no more "offensive" than Anglo. It just means black in Spanish. Blacks need to decide what they are. Is it American or is it African? I think it's obvious myself and I think its obvious where they belong (here's a hint: not in a Western society that they have such tremendous difficulty adjusting to).

I believe the Blacks were quite useful for a time, but then America's leaders shook an angry fist in God's face, defiantly and with the upmost arrogance proclaiming to know what was more moral than the Creator himself and (im)moral relativalism was born. They spat in God's face when they declared slavery immoral. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that! NOWHERE! It even goes into great length to how slaves are to be treated. Opposition to the word of God is what is truely immoral and the height of blasphemy!

Race doesn't really exist you say? So I guess Racism doesn't really exist either then right? Racism was of course an invention of Karl Marx, a communist Jew, and an attempt to label anyone who would dare point out the obvious, and what would later become scientifically proven, large number of differences that exist between the races as some kind of small minded bigot, a "racist".

To the communist or the liberal, everyone is exactly the same, so any argument to the contrary must therefore be built on prejudice and hatred. Of course to believe this you have to ignore all the scientific evidence to the contrary, as well as your own eyes and ears, as well as over 6,000 years of recorded history, that all strongly points to races NOT being the same, but when has the militant leftist ever let the truth get in the way of their rediculous propaganda?

Just deny everything your opponent brings to the table and slander your opponent a bigot with your made up terms such as "racist" (someone who sticks up for themselves and their race, recognises the very real and fundamental differences that exist between the races and won't meakly accept their races genocide and the destruction of their civilization, which is a product of their race, and who opposes the double standards in society where only the liberals, Blacks, homosexuals and Jews truely have free speech and Whites are free game to come under relentless attack, but where even the minutest criticism of the Negro, Jew or homosexual is come down upon like a ton of bricks by a hostile media, no matter how truthful, in fact especially when truthful!) or "homophobe" (someone who has morals, opposes sexual perversion and special rights for deviants who choose their abomination of a lifestyle that God says is a sin worthy of death!)

Collective punishment is neither productive nor just but the White race is being punished for the so-called "sins" of past generations. Perhaps the Blacks should never have been brought to America and returning them to their native habitat would just be righting a wrong. Just imagine how much safer America would be, considering blacks make up only 12% of the population but commit over 50% of all crime.

Liberals are using alleged evilness of the European Empires and their legacy as an excuse for why Europe should be flooded with non-White immigration, and if that wasn't bad enough, the invaders don't even have to adopt our ways thanks to multiCULTuralism (and they often don't and wouldn't anyway!) MultiCULTuralism really is anti-White racism at its finest when you think about it. The White race is entitled to its own living space, free from outside interference and to the preservation of its unparalled civilization which has been responsible for the bulk of the World's greatest inventions. Where would the World be without the White race? Such a horrible predicament is not even worth contemplating for a split second, but it is clear, without Whites and without the European Empires, Africa and Australia would still be in the stone age to this day, just like when Whites brought civilization to those continents.

And how do Blacks show their appreciation? By constant whining and an appaling crime wave against their biological superiors. The Jew and the Blacks must be the two most racist races period! The remotest criticism of either, no matter how justified is "racist" and "anti-semitic", meanwhile its open season on Whites. Blacks and Jews can say whatever they want about Whites, they could shout from the rooftops for the genocide of the White race (and they have!) and no one bats an eyelid. Besides, race is just a social construct right?

Blacks practically get treated like royalty nowadays, especially in the United States where they are given all sorts of priveledges at the expense of the White race and they still can't compete with us. Billions in aid are sent every year to Africa and the continent still keeps regressing, just think if that money wasn't wasted on foreigners, Whites could advance at an even greater pace. Africa is not our responsibility anymore. The Africans wanted and got their independence thanks to PC and the continent has been regressing ever since, despite all the financial support generously (or foolishy) being sent by the West year in year out.

During my time away from this fine Forum, I have been thinking about the whole concept of race and I have come to an greater understanding on the subject. I now believe that in humans, race and sub-species is NOT the same thing after all. I believe race is a tier down from sub-species. I believe in one human species, Homo Sapiens, divided into three subspecies: the Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. Within those you have the races. The Europeans, or Whites, would be one of the races of the Caucasoid sub-species of Homo Sapiens for example, and then this race could be further sub divided into several sub races such as the Mediterranean, Nordic, Alphine types etc.

So this would make North Africans, Middle Easterners, Indians, Pakistanies, Central, Western and Northern Asians (Russians) the same subspecies as Europeans, just not the same race. An Arab, an Indian and a European are all Caucasoid, but a Chinese and an sub-Saharan Black would be Mongoloids and Negroids respectaviley. The members of the Caucasoid sub-species of human share a closer resembalance in their genetic and physical makeup than with those of the other two sub-species.

There are indeed Irish terrorists, I refer to them more really as traitors and separtists rather than nationalists, as I believe real nationalism in the British Isles is unionist in nature and regional nationalism is a nonsense to be discouraged. I believe the Irish separatist political cause to be unjust and wrong, most however nowadays thankfully have sworn off violence, at least the worst form of violence, the bombings.

When it comes to Ireland and its relationship with the rest of the British Isles, I am a neounionist. I don't just support the retention of Ulster within the Union, I support a Britain that contains the whole island of Ireland, as I don't think ANY part of the British Isles should be excluded from the UK. The solution to reunite Ireland is to do it within the Union with the Republic's eventual return rather than further divide the people of these islands.

Ulster will always be British and there will be no surrender! The rest of Ireland is British even if it doesn't realise it (yet). I believe that the British nation is divided between two sovereign states at the moment, the so-called "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" and the so-called, self styled and illegally proclaimed "Republic of Ireland". A nation can transcend national borders, ultimately being a group of people that share the same ethnicity rather than territory, the British nation being those people that are of British Isles descent.

So I don't consider non-white people in the UK for example as truely British, they can't be because the British people were not Black or Asian, they are White and primarily a mix of celtic, anglo saxon and nordic stock, the British nation being multi ethnic but not multi racial. The British state on the other hand is something entirely different and is multiracial, something it never was until the last few decades and something that it has much more increasingly become since "New Labour" came to power. So a non-white in the UK can have British citizenship, but can never truely be British in the traditional and national sense and certainly not ethnically. A nation is not multiracial, a state could be.

St. Patricks day, despite all the Irish separatist propaganda, is as much a British event as it is an Irish one. Saint Patrick was British of course, born and bred in good old Blighty and when he moved to Ireland he spent most of his time, settled and died in what is now Northern Ireland. He is one of the patron saints of the UK and his cross is in the Union flag of the United Kingdom. His flag represents the island of Ireland in its entirety and Ireland's rightful place alongside her fellow British nations of England, Scotland and Wales in unity.

Ireland is just one of the nations that make up the British nation even though most of it is currently outside of the UK itself. I wouldn't want to ban Saint Paddy's day parades, but they should take on a more British Nationalistic dimension certainly, if at least to reflect the reality of just who Saint Patrick was. He was British through and through and the separatist has no right to hijack his identity as a means to attempt to justify his own manufactured national identity.

Saint Patrick's day is also a great celebration of White Pride, one day of the year that White people are allowed to actually celebrate who they are without all the White guilt being laid upon them by a judgemental media.

Not all Muslims are Arab that's quite correct, a lot of Muslims are Mongoloids which Arabs are not. The Arab variety do seem to be quite violent. While not all Muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are Muslims, look how the Arabs reacted when the Danes, God bless their souls, had the courage to stand up to the Arabs laughable excuse of a religion. There was violence on the streets of the Middle East, the opposition to freedom of Speech was disgraceful, and matched only by the joy the Muslims oppenly expressed when they blew up the World Trade Center and murdered nearly 3,000 American citizens and could hardly contain their delight at commiting such evil.

Not that its any justification, but they were only following their barbaric excuse of a religion which demands that non converters, the despicable infidels, be killed! In the twisted reality that these people live in, they were being good little Muslims and following the orders of their child molesting and demon posessed prophet Muhammed, that's how truely sick this race of people sadly are, they are remarkably primative in their ways of thinking and in their culture, easily hundreds of years behind the West and cultures like say Japan.

As for forbidding White immigration, wasn't it White immigration that made America the greatest country on earth, enabling it to rise to the lofty heights of superpower status? Wasn't it White imperalism in Africa that lifted that savage continent out of the stone age? Wasn't it White colonialism that brought civilisation to Australia? And aren't the Blacks a thousand times better off because of it? It is a simple fact is it not, that America's founding fathers were God fearing and Bible believing good Christian men and that the United States was founded as a White Christian nation and that is how they intended it to stay and what has enabled it to prosper? It is only since the 1960s that the mass non white immigration movement has commenced.

Should we ban White immigration? Well look at the UK, with over 90% of immigrats swarming in being non-White, White immigration there is practically banned already. But why don't we ban something that actually hurts Western countries? Ban non-White immigration like it used to be! You know the Neo-Con's don't like multiculturalism anymore than I do. But what is the best way to guard against this phenomenon that so aggresively attacks and destroys White people's civilizations? By banning non White immigration you can nip this problem in the bud before it gets to far out of control. Prevention is better than cure like they say and most non-White immigrants have no intention whatsoever of assimilating into their host's culture, many even refuse to learn English and the Muslims are even now demanding separate laws for their colonisers in England, they have become so blantant and daring in their refusal to assimilate, they know our liberal overlords won't stand up to them!

How did MultiCULTuralism cause 9/11? Well those evil demonic possesed Muslims who were responsible for that outrage were residents of America. They were only in America in the first place because of the acceptance of non-White immigration and the MultiCULTuralism that springs from it. If America had stayed White like its founding fathers had desired and there were no Muslims in the USA, there would have been no religious fanatics to command those planes to fly into the World Trade Center and murder 3,000 American citizens! Multiracial socities have a history of failure and the United States will fair no better unless it dramatically and urgently changes course.

MultiCULTuralism simply doesn't work, it is communism gone wild and has been a spectacular failure leading to many thousands of deaths and it's time to stop flogging this dead horse and bury it once and for all.

Have you noticed most people in the United States (regardless of race) don't agree with you?

Given that you don't like multicultural societies, shouldn't you go somewhere where your (racist and dogmatic) culture is dominant?

I'm not asking you to leave, but don't you see the inconsistency? You hate multiculturalism, and yet your culture is atypical and totally different from that of the rest of us. Hmmm...

[Richard Masters]

Do you have a link for this? I remember hearing about something along these lines, but I thought that what they looked at were specific signs of fitness (evolutionary fitness that is).
I think it was symetry or something, though I could be wrong. So, women became more aroused when smelling the sweaty shirts that had been worn by men with more symetrical faces, than those by men with less symetrical faces. Something like that - I may be getting the details wrong.
I didn't think they tested for "people with different genes", and don't really know how they'd go about doing that. I guess they could sequence the genes of all the participants in the study? Seems prohibitively expensive to me, but I don't know.

I read about this too in Psychology. They have done the same with crickets (or was it grasshoppers), which are more likely to be attracted to the pheromones of and mate with individuals which were least related to them (different genetic material), that is, unless they grew up together closely.

[Richard Masters]

It's not fear it's caution. Neither is it directed at white, black, or yellow, or any other specific color. In fact, color has nothing to do with it since color isn't the cause of the problem-it's attitude perpetuated via culture among certain groups that's the problem. Unfortunately, such attitude sometimes become identifiable via race or ethnic affiliation because it tends to predominate along ethnic or racial lines. Noose hanging and cross burning aren't seen in all neighborhoods but only in certain types of neighborhoods and are perpetrated by certain people and necessitates blindness in order not to notice which
group is involved.

Think of drive-by shootings in LA and who comes immediately to mind? Anglos? Blacks?
Most people would immediately think of Chicanos. Since such is the case, it would be suicidal for a person to mindlessly ignore the possibilities which statistics indicate and plow ahead into geographical areas where certain dangerous antisocial predispositions are known to flourish.

Mention riots after a perceived social injustice and who comes to mind? Anglos? Hispanics? Jews? Or Afro-Americans? The latter comes readily to mind. Why? Well, because they are the only ones who riot after perceived social injustices. Is it racist to notice this? Or is it simply unavoidable?

Taking note of possible danger doesn't make a person a racist unless the person generalizes in such a way as to trample upon human rights of members of a group simply because they belong to that group. But, avoiding getting killed doesn't trample on the rights of anyone if it merely entails avoiding getting physically or mentally abused.

The burning of the Mexican family occurred in California.
The woman left to die in the hospital floor in the East USA.
I'll try to get links.

Chicano is not a race. Just thought I'd point that out.

[Richard Masters]

A mixed race person can still be black, but a white person is always pure, I believe that's how the wisdom of this sort of thing goes, for a drop of black blood is all it takes to make one black.

:confused:

What exactly do you base that opinion on? How is the reverse different?

[Richard Masters]

So why do people say we belong to the human race as if there was only one race? There is not.

When people say that, they mean that the imaginary social and political differences that you attribute to race do not actually exist. They do not mean that there are no genetic differences, obviously.


There may be one human species but it is divided into several races such as Africans, Whites, Asians etc which are further subdivided into various ethnicities. I believe these politically correct people are confusing the words RACE with SPECIES. There is one human species but there is several races and is not racist to say so. It is simply a fact and nothing pisses me off more to here someone spout off that communist crap "We are all part of the same race the human race" Yeah whatever dream on!

It's not racist to say there are differences. But it is racist to find differences where there are none, and to act upon them.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Firstly, I must apologise in taking so long in getting round to responding! I do intend to answer each and every post (the ones I deem to be worth a response anyway). I have been busy with my own websites which must take priority, and I also have a new site which demands much of my spare time and I am also planning on launching a 4th (and final?!) site immently, focussing on a subject that is very close to my heart and that must be addressed. I trust that it is agreeable to respond several months later and will try and not make a habit of it!

The Blacks commit around 50% of America's crime and make up roughly 2/3rds of its prison population. In total about 70% of America's crime is commited by non-Whites despite Whites making up around 70% of America's population. Of course, if all races really were equal, as liberals insist, Whites would be commiting 70% of the crime not 30%, so clearly all races are not equal and some races are significantly more immoral in their character than others.

Approximately one in four Black males between the ages of 20-29 currently reside in jail or are on probation or parole. A Negro is more likely to be in jail than in a college dorm, even though Negroes get special treatment when it comes to selection at many colleges. Thanks to affirmative action, Blacks can be accepted based solely on their race rather than their suitability, at the expense of the White race.

[and so on]

Pardon me. I seem to have entered the wrong century.

[Foolmewunz]

Pardon me. I seem to have entered the wrong century.

Yeah, but at least there are great examples of Tokie posts for those of us with more of a nostalgic bent (more nostalgic than reactioinary racist, I should say).

I love the comment waay above that his parents practised good racial hygiene. WTF?????!!!!! Individually? Collectively? Regularly?

[Damien Evans]

This clown hasn't been banned yet?!

[lionking]

Firstly Old Bob and now this, yes clown to borrow from damien. Please be assured that these ...... guys are not at all representative of mainstream Australians.

[bruto]

Yeah, but at least there are great examples of Tokie posts for those of us with more of a nostalgic bent (more nostalgic than reactioinary racist, I should say).

I love the comment waay above that his parents practised good racial hygiene. WTF?????!!!!! Individually? Collectively? Regularly? I wonder even what that means. Wearing a rubber when you rape the maid?

[Old Bob]

O, I see I got a mention. Well this is something few know. A old deceased friends great grandfather was a blackbearder and ruther than travel to Africa he would pull into Australia for a load of natives. They looked like thin Negroes and he was paid per slave. This went on for years, so now you know why American Negroes are a little bit different to African Negroes. Do any of you American Negroes like standing on one leg and eating kangaroo? As for Lionking are you sure your not the minority.

[tyr_13]

I can say from experience that racism sucks coming and going. I was labeled as a racist in college because I expressed concerns that the 'Jena 6' thing had race as an artificial issue (where I didn't care what race they were, all I saw were six on one 'heroes'). Then later in the year, when people found out I'm part native-American, suddenly I'm not a racist?

Some of my best friends lived in a 'black ghetto' area of Buffalo, and the black people there would yell the worst names at me and my friends when we would visit. Then we would walk across a bridge to the 'white ghetto' and get called names because we just walked out of the black area.

The sad part is that, 'white' racism tends to be obvious and manifestly idiotic, where other forms of racism still aren't recognized as such. It's like when I went to The Vagina Monologues, alone and got these stares and whispers (and it sucks having good hearing because I know some of what they were saying). Someone actually told me, "I'm not sexist, I'm a woman. Only men can be sexist." Of course this was from the same group of women who said that only white people can be racist when I defended a black student for not liking hip hop.

There is enough stupid to go around. Stupid isn't racist, sexist, or any 'ist'. Stupid hates us all.

[dudalb]

Firstly Old Bob and now this, yes clown to borrow from damien. Please be assured that these ...... guys are not at all representative of mainstream Australians.


I can forgive you for those guys, but Yahoo Serious....that will take some getting over.

[Old Bob]

Seems to me that this list thinks the word opinion = racism? And that is a cop out in many cases. Every race has good and bad traits even if the brainwashing is taken away. EG. Often Negro's can run further and faster than Caucasian, Aborigine's can live in harsh conditions. While Chinese will work nonstop. Some are smarter etc. But the bottom line is multicultural is nothing but trouble, if races with glaring differences stayed in their own countries with their own faiths and just traded produce and of cause be left alone, no more wars. Be proud of your race what ever colour it is. The white Australian policy worked not because it was white but because nearly every body thought the same. On saying that someone (maybe Lionking)will bleat "what about the poor Aborigine", they get more perks and free every thing. It's there choice to burn down the free home and wreak the new Toyota plus drink the food money, then want more.

[lionking]

O, I see I got a mention. Well this is something few know. A old deceased friends great grandfather was a blackbearder and ruther than travel to Africa he would pull into Australia for a load of natives. They looked like thin Negroes and he was paid per slave. This went on for years, so now you know why American Negroes are a little bit different to African Negroes. Do any of you American Negroes like standing on one leg and eating kangaroo? As for Lionking are you sure your not the minority.

Don't suppose you can prove any of this? Didn't think so. There is certainly no evidence I can find on the web. If you can't substantiate this stop posting such rubbish. It degrades the whole forum.

[lionking]

Seems to me that this list thinks the word opinion = racism? And that is a cop out in many cases. Every race has good and bad traits even if the brainwashing is taken away. EG. Often Negro's can run further and faster than Caucasian, Aborigine's can live in harsh conditions. While Chinese will work nonstop. Some are smarter etc. But the bottom line is multicultural is nothing but trouble, if races with glaring differences stayed in their own countries with their own faiths and just traded produce and of cause be left alone, no more wars. Be proud of your race what ever colour it is. The white Australian policy worked not because it was white but because nearly every body thought the same. On saying that someone (maybe Lionking)will bleat "what about the poor Aborigine", they get more perks and free every thing. It's there choice to burn down the free home and wreak the new Toyota plus drink the food money, then want more.

Leaving aside the many errors of grammar and punctuation, the fact that you look back in admiration on the "White Australia" policy speaks volumes for the quality of your reasoning.

[Old Bob]

Don't suppose you can prove any of this? Didn't think so. There is certainly no evidence I can find on the web. If you can't substantiate this stop posting such rubbish. It degrades the whole forum.

Lionking many thing went on before the web and you seem to think everybody lies, one day you may learn that not everybody thinks like you. Do you run this site? So don't tell me what to post and as for degrading the forum what do the rest think? The blackbeard story is true. I'll be in Melbourne soon would you like me to bring a few facts down for you to look at?

[lionking]

Lionking many thing went on before the web and you seem to think everybody lies, one day you may learn that not everybody thinks like you. Do you run this site? So don't tell me what to post and as for degrading the forum what do the rest think? The blackbeard story is true. I'll be in Melbourne soon would you like me to bring a few facts down for you to look at?

No just post them here. This is a skeptics forum. Evidence is everything. If you can't prove what you say, just don't say it. Your "blackbeard" story is a fairy tale unless you can prove it. And you can't.

[Old Bob]

As for the "blackbeard" story I know roughly were the old man's kin are and they would confirm what I have said. But to go to that trouble and harassment of that family just to satisfy a sour disbeliever who has obviously never had a bush experience or lived in the real harsh world were life is cheap. Even in those days it would been illegal to rail road natives so why would it be on the web? In my life time we knew who shot who and that's not on the web. It's not the Australian way to dob so the police aren't told, in two cases pretty sure that the coppers did the murders. As for Port Arthur shootings a section of the gov did it, just like 911.

[lionking]

Big surprise you believe in the Part Arthur conspiracy. I know someone whose daughter was killed there, and words simply cannot express my disgust for people who spread such sickening rubbish.

Back to your "blackbeard" story, where aborigines were kidnapped and sold as slaves in the US. If true, this would have been one the defining moments in Australian history. And you are seriously suggesting that no contemporary or recent historian has ever picked this up and reported it, but you know it's true?

And finally, you know nothing of my background and whether I have had "bush" or any other experiences.

When are you ever going to post anything honest and factual?

[snoop_doxie]

lionking
Firstly Old Bob and now this, yes clown to borrow from damien. Please be assured that these ...... guys are not at all representative of mainstream Australians.

lionking, oh i know this clown does not represent mainstream Australia. but dudalb has a point when he says,

I can forgive you for those guys, but Yahoo Serious....that will take some getting over.

:D the only thing worse than yahoo serious is carrotop!

[lionking]

lionking
Firstly Old Bob and now this, yes clown to borrow from damien. Please be assured that these ...... guys are not at all representative of mainstream Australians.

lionking, oh i know this clown does not represent mainstream Australia. but dudalb has a point when he says,



:D the only thing worse than yahoo serious is carrotop!

Have to agree. The least funny "comedies" ever to come out of this country.

[bruto]

O, I see I got a mention. Well this is something few know. A old deceased friends great grandfather was a blackbearder and ruther than travel to Africa he would pull into Australia for a load of natives. They looked like thin Negroes and he was paid per slave. This went on for years, so now you know why American Negroes are a little bit different to African Negroes. Do any of you American Negroes like standing on one leg and eating kangaroo? As for Lionking are you sure your not the minority.

In the Americas, I think it's pretty well documented that the slave trade was conducted across the Atlantic ocean, often via the Caribbean islands. Transportation was very difficult, and mortality high. There is a lot of history of this trade, which was legal until 1808.

I don't suppose you have a globe handy, do you, bob? If so, you might just ponder why any slave trader would have chosen to go to Australia rather than Africa for this, and what the logistics of such a route would have been in the years before the Panama Canal was dug.

[Old Bob]

In the Americas, I think it's pretty well documented that the slave trade was conducted across the Atlantic ocean, often via the Caribbean islands. Transportation was very difficult, and mortality high. There is a lot of history of this trade, which was legal until 1808.

I don't suppose you have a globe handy, do you, bob? If so, you might just ponder why any slave trader would have chosen to go to Australia rather than Africa for this, and what the logistics of such a route would have been in the years before the Panama Canal was dug.

No slaves landed on the west coast? Have another look. The blackbearder's home was Australia. The man who told me(Max) was well off and smart,he was part of a family factory that made all manner of carbies and car parts in Melbourne, he also had been a ship owner.

[Old Bob]

Big surprise you believe in the Part Arthur conspiracy. I know someone whose daughter was killed there, and words simply cannot express my disgust for people who spread such sickening rubbish.

Back to your "blackbeard" story, where aborigines were kidnapped and sold as slaves in the US. If true, this would have been one the defining moments in Australian history. And you are seriously suggesting that no contemporary or recent historian has ever picked this up and reported it, but you know it's true?

And finally, you know nothing of my background and whether I have had "bush" or any other experiences.(are you sure)

When are you ever going to post anything honest and factual?
Just for your tiny brain, my disgust is for the people that except the lies from main stream outlets. We, a group of people have worked for the last 10 years to prove that the Port Arthur was a inside job. Last week a DVD was released to all main media, judges and police stations across Australia. It's called "A Question of Guilt" In the DVD is information proven by court statements etc and will bring this nation to account. Sickening rubbish? I don't think so. They were our people murdered and I want the truth. I know the moderator will see that we are off track and I won't speak further on this thread regards Port Arthur.

[volatile]

Just for your tiny brain, my disgust is for the people that except the lies from main stream outlets. We, a group of people have worked for the last 10 years to prove that the Port Arthur was a inside job. Last week a DVD was released to all main media, judges and police stations across Australia. It's called "A Question of Guilt" In the DVD is information proven by court statements etc and will bring this nation to account. Sickening rubbish? I don't think so. They were our people murdered and I want the truth. I know the moderator will see that we are off track and I won't speak further on this thread regards Port Arthur.

Start a new thread in Conspiracy Theories, Bob. Show us what you've got.

[lionking]

Just for your tiny brain, my disgust is for the people that except the lies from main stream outlets. We, a group of people have worked for the last 10 years to prove that the Port Arthur was a inside job. Last week a DVD was released to all main media, judges and police stations across Australia. It's called "A Question of Guilt" In the DVD is information proven by court statements etc and will bring this nation to account. Sickening rubbish? I don't think so. They were our people murdered and I want the truth. I know the moderator will see that we are off track and I won't speak further on this thread regards Port Arthur.
Tiny brain? Let's see your idiotic "evidence" in the CT section. Like everything you have posted to date, it ill be without content. Put up or shut up.

And as usual you have not, and cannot, provide support for your "blackbeard" allegation. Keep up your record of not having posted anything truthful to date.

[bruto]

No slaves landed on the west coast? Have another look. The blackbearder's home was Australia. The man who told me(Max) was well off and smart,he was part of a family factory that made all manner of carbies and car parts in Melbourne, he also had been a ship owner.I was going to go into a detailed rebuttal, but it's really pointless, isn't it?

What you're saying is all total nonsense. It's (think of a rule 10 violating word for what lands on the sands of the corrida) through and through. If you did a little, even a cursory bit, of research on the subject of where America's slaves came from, how they got here, and what the geographical boundaries are and were, you'd realize that. This is not hard to figure out. There are no secret agendas here, since the slave trade, horrific and repugnant as it was, was entirely legal in the U.S. until 1808 (at which time there were well over three million slaves among the population - one reason importation was ended), and no concealment or fudging of records was necessary.

[suicidesamurai]

Exactly. Just a couple of years ago, I noticed the polymer clay I work with still labels pale pinkish-brown as "flesh." Is it a big deal? I woudn't put it in that spotlight; I'd say it's simply one more indication that systemic racism does exist, and that most people involved simply don't have any awareness of it. It's a cumulative effect, not one of particulars.Flesh-colored is an Anglosphere term. I don't know when it was first mentioned but it was at least back when white countries were still actually "white countries" and almost entirely white. Crayola changed their "flesh-colored" crayons to "peach" in 1962. The term has been carried over the decades because it's simply the name of a color.

[ladyattis]

I find it funny that the University concludes as well since to me I'm quite suspicious of fellow 'white' people more than so-called 'black' people. And here I am a white male (I do have XY chromosomes). :)

[Old Bob]

I was going to go into a detailed rebuttal, but it's really pointless, isn't it?

What you're saying is all total nonsense. It's (think of a rule 10 violating word for what lands on the sands of the corrida) through and through. If you did a little, even a cursory bit, of research on the subject of where America's slaves came from, how they got here, and what the geographical boundaries are and were, you'd realize that. This is not hard to figure out. There are no secret agendas here, since the slave trade, horrific and repugnant as it was, was entirely legal in the U.S. until 1808 (at which time there were well over three million slaves among the population - one reason importation was ended), and no concealment or fudging of records was necessary.
Bruto, I have no knowledge where on the west coast as I know little of the slave trade history, all I know is what old Max told me. When he (the blackbearder) done this it would have been towards the end of slave time. If it's wrong sorry, but old Max was a honest man and our neighbor for years and I believe he would never lie to me.

[lionking]

Old Bob, this is a skeptics forum. If you expect whatever you post to be taken seriously, then you should have evidence. If you don't it's better not to post at all and waste everyone's time and bandwidth.

[Old Bob]

Old Bob, this is a skeptics forum. If you expect whatever you post to be taken seriously, then you should have evidence. If you don't it's better not to post at all and waste everyone's time and bandwidth.

More like a septic forum with you bagging everything I say, And you seem to be the only one to complain, you act like you are the moderator? If the whole forum doesn't like what I say then I'll ping off. If everything that's said needs proof this forum would die, so stop the petty stuff and post something interesting.

[lionking]

Do you want me to list those who have accused you of posting rubbish? As the saying goes "don't argue with an idiot because they will eventually drag you down to their level and beat you on experience". So I will no longer try to argue with you. But I believe that you have said enough in 186 (mainly racist) posts for members to judge you accurately.

[Mashuna]

Bruto, I have no knowledge where on the west coast as I know little of the slave trade history, all I know is what old Max told me. When he (the blackbearder) done this it would have been towards the end of slave time. If it's wrong sorry, but old Max was a honest man and our neighbor for years and I believe he would never lie to me.

Oh, well, if old Max told you, it must be true. What other evidence could people want.

Is your Port Arthur evidence of a similar high quality?

[Wildy]

Bruto, I have no knowledge where on the west coast as I know little of the slave trade history, all I know is what old Max told me. When he (the blackbearder) done this it would have been towards the end of slave time. If it's wrong sorry, but old Max was a honest man and our neighbor for years and I believe he would never lie to me.

You mean even though there isn't any evidence to support this claim from anyone apart from him?

And then you have to factor in that the slaver would be on the wrong side of the world and would reach the Americas on the wrong side. The slave markets were on the Atlantic side.

However, blackbirding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbirding) was quite common in the northern parts of Australia, and later on in Fiji, however none of the people who were taken (although some islanders went willingly) ever made their way to the US. There was a very simple reason for that, the workers were needed in Australia.

I see you haven't tried to argue for your definition for "Aborigine" in the other thread.

[Old Bob]

Oh, well, if old Max told you, it must be true. What other evidence could people want.

Is your Port Arthur evidence of a similar high quality?

A good start on info would be shootersnews addr.com Let us all know what you think of that web site

[kallsop]

Well, the way I see it, since being aware that there is a difference between males and females doesn't make me sexist, recognizing that there are different skin colors and such doesn't make me racist.


Or, it makes you sexist and racist :)

[Mashuna]

A good start on info would be shootersnews addr.com Let us all know what you think of that web site

I'd have been more convinced by old Max.

[lionking]

I'd have been more convinced by old Max.

Yeah it's a beauty that site. I do hope Old Bob does start a Port Arthur conspiracy thread. I could do with a good laugh.