CIA Bunker in WTC 7

[Jonnyclueless]

Now I have no desire to acknowledge the well known absurd claim that WTC 7 was brought down because it housed a CIA officer or whatever. I think everyone can agree that it's beyond stupid.

But does anyone have any info on what kind of office or bunker or whatever was there? Usually these rumors get started from things completely benign. For example, is this a case where maybe the CIA had some kind of public office that had nothing to do with anything secret or remotely classified, but simply because the CIA name was somehow involved it got spun into this wild theory? I guess I am more interested in where this one got started. Anyone have any info?

[hellaeon]

why would they need to blow up a building to hide something in the aparent CIA offices? I mean surely a shredder is a lot easier...

Sorry I know that dont help!

[bofors]

But does anyone have any info on what kind of office or bunker or whatever was there? Usually these rumors get started from things completely benign. For example, is this a case where maybe the CIA had some kind of public office that had nothing to do with anything secret or remotely classified, but simply because the CIA name was somehow involved it got spun into this wild theory? I guess I am more interested in where this one got started. Anyone have any info?

Well, it was a "secret" CIA office, not a public one.

It's floors were kept secret here: http://www.wtc7.net/background.html

More details here: http://www.wtc7.net/lcache/wtc7.htm

[Jonnyclueless]

To get to the other side?

[Jonnyclueless]

Well, we know what floors it was on and that it was "secret" CIA office, not a public one.

And how do we know this?

[Gravy]

The "bunker" was the 23rd floor NYC Office of Emergency Management command center. Nothing to do with the CIA. Here's (http://www.wtc7.net/lcache/wtc7.htm) a cached article on the CIA office. There were many city, state, and federal agencies with offices at and near the WTC.

[Bell]

Relevance of CIA office in regards to the collapse of WTC7?

[bofors]

And how do we know this?

Well its floors are secret and the New York Times claims it was a clandestine station: http://www.wtc7.net/lcache/wtc7.htm

[Jonnyclueless]

Ah, well they used the adjective clandestine, what more proof is needed from the NY Times? Imagine if they had used the adjective diabolical. We're be in some deep rule10s then.

[bofors]

I think you are being a little too skeptical on this one Jonny (no wonder you folks deny that 9/11 was an inside job).

If the CIA actually had a public office in New York, it wasn't in WTC7.

[OldTigerCub]

Well, it was a "secret" CIA office, not a public one.

It's floors were kept secret here: http://www.wtc7.net/background.html

More details here: http://www.wtc7.net/lcache/wtc7.htm

Not even the CIA headquarters in Langley is a "public" office. The CIA does not generally disclose the locations of it's satellite offices, and the headquarters, even though the location is not a secret, is not open to the public.

[T.A.M.]

http://www.wtc7.net/lcache/wtc7.htm


Immediately after the attack, the C.I.A. dispatched a special team to scour the rubble in search of secret documents and intelligence reports that had been stored in the New York station, either on paper or in computers, officials said. It could not be learned whether the agency was successful in retrieving its classified records from the wreckage.

Doh!!! See I told them at the last NWO meeting in 2001 that shredders was a much better Idea, but oh no, they had to go and blow up the building instead.

TAM;)

[firecoins]

I think you are being a little too skeptical on this one Jonny (no wonder you folks deny that 9/11 was an inside job).

If the CIA actually had a public office in New York, it wasn't in WTC7.
Alot of federal gov't agencies had offices in WTC 7. It is not hard to believe the CIA had offices too. So what? All they had to do was claim he building structually damaged by the collapasing towers and have a reason for an open controlled demolition. No one would have question it except for a few CT loons anyway. There was no resaon to bring it down clandestinely. Its collapse didn't help any political cause. No one was looking for "evidence" in WTC 7. The idea is simply ridiculous. Either way there would be a CT on it.

[CptColumbo]

Most law enforcment offices are not open to the public. They may have a reception area, but you need to be escorted or have proper credentials to enter.

IIRC and will look it up if need be, but I believe much of the tight security at Federal LE offices stems from an attck on an FBI office in Florida in the early 80s. Now you can't just walk into an FBI office.

[Unfit4Command]

According to the FEMA report on WTC 7, the CIA had offices on the 25th floor, along with the IRS and the DOD.

[firecoins]

According to the FEMA report on WTC 7, the CIA had offices on the 25th floor, along with the IRS and the DOD.
I guess the IRS was covering up tax records?

[Bell]

Relevance of CIA office in regards to the collapse of WTC7?

Bell! That's a good question! I wonder what the troofers will think of this?

[Jonnyclueless]

So let me get this right Bofors. The evidence that WTC7 was destroyed by demolitions to destroy the CIA offices was that the CIA offices exist? Can you confirm this or clarify?

[LashL]

Well, it was a "secret" CIA office, not a public one.



Yes, that's pretty secretive all right, publishing it in public documents and all.

Note to NWO shills: Someone is going to have their pay docked this month.

[CptColumbo]

A few years ago I called directory assistance and got the number for the local office of the CIA.

That's a cracker-jack outfit we got there.

[jhunter1163]

Industrial shredder: $500
New WTC7 Building: $700 million

Yep, sounds like a government operation to me.

[Jonnyclueless]

I once had a myspace profile saying that I was a secret government shill. The scary part was how many people believed it. As always, NWO forgot to realize that some people might be smart enough to read a profile, and thus the world domination plan was eventually foiled. You jsut can't get anything past these CTers..

[Jonnyclueless]

Industrial shredder: $500
New WTC7 Building: $700 million

Yep, sounds like a government operation to me.


To be fair, hindsight is always 20/20

[bofors]

So let me get this right Bofors. The evidence that WTC7 was destroyed by demolitions to destroy the CIA offices was that the CIA offices exist? Can you confirm this or clarify?

The evidence that WTC7 was destroyed by demolitions is this:

1. Rapid onset of “collapse”
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a full second prior to collapse (heard by hundreds of firemen and media reporters)
3. Symmetrical “collapse” – through the path of greatest resistance – at nearly free-fall speed — the columns gave no resistance
4. Squibs, or “mistimed” explosions, at the upper 7 floors seen in the network videos
5. “Collapses” into its own footprint – with the steel skeleton broken up for shipment
6. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
7. Tons of molten Metal found by CDI (Demolition Contractor) in basement (no other possible source than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)
8. Chemical signature of Thermate (high tech incendiary) found in slag, solidified molten metal, and dust samples by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
9. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
10. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
11. Fore-knowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY

http://www.ae911truth.org/

[TriskettheKid]

6. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds

I'm sorry, but did I miss the volcano that was apparently under WTC7?

[The Doc]

If you are preparing a controlled demolition, you need access to the entire building. Wouldn't you just manually destroy the files with whatever access you have got to plant demolitions all over the building?

[e^n]

1. Rapid onset of “collapse”
Including or excluding the east penthouse?
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a full second prior to collapse (heard by hundreds of firemen and media reporters)
So this explosion was heard after the east penthouse began collapsing?
4. Squibs, or “mistimed” explosions, at the upper 7 floors seen in the network videos
Could this not simply be smoke exiting broken windows seen here: http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7_Smoke.jpg
5. “Collapses” into its own footprint – with the steel skeleton broken up for shipment
WTC7 damaged 3 surrounding buildings.
7. Tons of molten Metal found by CDI (Demolition Contractor) in basement (no other possible source than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)
The evidence for this is weak and 'tons' implies measurement, none was done.
8. Chemical signature of Thermate (high tech incendiary) found in slag, solidified molten metal, and dust samples by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
No Barium Nitrate was found and indeed all the elements presented are common elements in the towers.
9. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
Indeed typical of approx 1000-1100C temperatures, well within the range of fire. NIST also addressed one of these samples which they determined was damaged while in the pile.
10. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
Show me where he was rated the 'top' CD professional in Europe?
11. Fore-knowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY
Chief Daniel Nigro has explained exactly why he he ordered firemen to be pulled back, surely you aren't claiming that they are indirectly responsible for murder?

I'm sorry to address things so quickly, but ae911truth gets so much wrong and I just don't have time to address it.

[Pardalis]

I don't see why we should entertain Bofor's attempt to a derail, since the controlled demolition of WTC 7 theory has been discussed at length elsewhere.

The OP is about the tenants of WTC 7

[LashL]

Industrial shredder: $500
New WTC7 Building: $700 million

Yep, sounds like a government operation to me.

:D

Now, not to nitpick, but where did that $700 million figure come from? (The original WTC7 was insured for $861 million)

[Arus808]

The evidence that WTC7 was destroyed by demolitions is this:

1. Rapid onset of “collapse”

Please tell us what force would stop the collapse once it started.

2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a full second prior to collapse (heard by hundreds of firemen and media reporters)

Provide proof of this.
Dont equate "sounds like" to "it was"

3. Symmetrical “collapse” – through the path of greatest resistance – at nearly free-fall speed — the columns gave no resistance

there wasn't anything symetrical with those collapses


4. Squibs, or “mistimed” explosions, at the upper 7 floors seen in the network videos[/qutoe]

sorry, but a job that sizez wouldn't have so few "squibs" (which by the way is a Hollywood SFX term, not a term used by Controlled demolitionists - so stop usng it)

[fquote]5. “Collapses” into its own footprint – with the steel skeleton broken up for shipment

why are you repeating this lie that was debunked years ago?

6. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds

if that were true, the Naudet bros would have been cooked alive, including the firefighters who were trapped there.
please learn what a pyroclastic flow really is


7. Tons of molten Metal found by CDI (Demolition Contractor) in basement (no other possible source than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)

so you think that steel is theo nly metal found in 2 110 story office buildings?



8. Chemical signature of Thermate (high tech incendiary) found in slag, solidified molten metal, and dust samples by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.

that wasa lie cooked by the defrocked jones. and there was no sign of barium nitrate; without that, its like making cookies without flour

[qutoe]9. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples[/quote]
to which fema has said that their study is in erro, and refer to the nist report; you know that 10,000 page report you haven't read



10. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional

who also stated taht the WTC towres did not look like a CD and for wtc 7 he was only shown one video and was told about the offices that wree in teh building. he has now since gone silent when pressed with questions


11. Fore-knowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY

http://www.ae911truth.org/

holy damn, the whole lot of already debunked claims

do you have anything original?

[jhunter1163]

The $700 million was the building cost of the new WTC7. I didn't include the $323 million mortgage that Silverstein had to pay on the old one. When that's included, Silverstein took a loss on WTC7.

[beachnut]

The evidence that WTC7 was destroyed by demolitions is this:

1. Rapid onset of “collapse”
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a full second prior to collapse (heard by hundreds of firemen and media reporters)
3. Symmetrical “collapse” – through the path of greatest resistance – at nearly free-fall speed — the columns gave no resistance
4. Squibs, or “mistimed” explosions, at the upper 7 floors seen in the network videos
5. “Collapses” into its own footprint – with the steel skeleton broken up for shipment
6. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
7. Tons of molten Metal found by CDI (Demolition Contractor) in basement (no other possible source than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)
8. Chemical signature of Thermate (high tech incendiary) found in slag, solidified molten metal, and dust samples by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
9. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
10. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
11. Fore-knowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY

http://www.ae911truth.org/
Debunked long ago. Sad, you have last years junk pushed by ae911truth. It is all false. Good job checking your source, they make up stuff and pass on hearsay about 9/11. You been debunked, use the search function to read up on your failure to understand 9/11. See the other posts and try searching before posting such old junk and totally false information.

[LashL]

If you are preparing a controlled demolition, you need access to the entire building. Wouldn't you just manually destroy the files with whatever access you have got to plant demolitions all over the building?


This is a very good point and one that is consistently overlooked by tinhatters.

If the conspirators had the unimpeded access that would be required to rig the building for demolition, surely the conspirators could - and would - use that unimpeded access to simply shred the incriminating paperwork, rather than send the incriminating paperwork floating all over the streets of Lower Manhattan.

WTC7 was all of what, 14 years old? The tinhatters can't even trot out their silly 'white elephant' or 'asbestos' fantasies on this one.

[tsig]

Yes, that's pretty secretive all right, publishing it in public documents and all.

Note to NWO shills: Someone is going to have their pay docked this month.

NWO kitty gonna be busy.

[tsig]

The evidence that WTC7 was destroyed by demolitions is this:

1. Rapid onset of “collapse”
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a full second prior to collapse (heard by hundreds of firemen and media reporters)
3. Symmetrical “collapse” – through the path of greatest resistance – at nearly free-fall speed — the columns gave no resistance
4. Squibs, or “mistimed” explosions, at the upper 7 floors seen in the network videos
5. “Collapses” into its own footprint – with the steel skeleton broken up for shipment
6. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
7. Tons of molten Metal found by CDI (Demolition Contractor) in basement (no other possible source than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)
8. Chemical signature of Thermate (high tech incendiary) found in slag, solidified molten metal, and dust samples by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
9. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
10. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
11. Fore-knowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Never saw a slow onset of collapse.

5. The steal even landed in the trucks just like in the cartoons.

[LashL]

The $700 million was the building cost of the new WTC7. I didn't include the $323 million mortgage that Silverstein had to pay on the old one. When that's included, Silverstein took a loss on WTC7.

I hear you, but could you please provide a source on the rebuilding cost?

[Brainster]

The $700 million was the building cost of the new WTC7. I didn't include the $323 million mortgage that Silverstein had to pay on the old one. When that's included, Silverstein took a loss on WTC7.

Without getting complicated here, this is almost certainly wrong. The important thing to stress is that if the building was worth $861 million, as the insurance company surely felt, then that profit to Silverstein and his partners was already there, regardless of whether it was destroyed or whether he sold it.

Calculation of even pretax profit and loss is enormously complex on properties like this because of debt financing and other issues. I am fairly certain that Silverstein took a bath (lost money) on the other part of the WTC complex, because the insurance proceeds are plainly insufficient to rebuild, but even there it becomes complicated because of the various deals that have been reached in the rebuilding and insurance litigation.

Only his spreadsheet guy knows for sure, but I am reasonably sure that there was a sizeable distribution to the partners from the insurance payout. Again, this was just a capture of profit already in the deal, not something that arose from the terrorist attacks.

[chillzero]

The topic of discussion here is not the destruction of WTC7, so please take that to any of the other many threads on the subject. This thread is about the CIA and WTC occupancy.

If the thread doesn't stay on topic, it will be sett to moderated status.

[firecoins]

Ok, the CIA had offices in WTC 7. So what? Why is this important?

[Jonnyclueless]

So now Bofoers reason for the motivation of the demolition is the cause of the collapse?

From both of these claims we can conclude that should any building that contains a CIA office be damaged or destroyed, it therefore has to have been caused by demolitions and because of the CIA office. We can also therefore conclude that any building containing a CIA office is otherwise indestructible.

[uruk]

Well, it was a "secret" CIA office, not a public one.

It's floors were kept secret here: http://www.wtc7.net/background.html

More details here: http://www.wtc7.net/lcache/wtc7.htm

Wow. I guess with all that info about "secret" CIA officess available. It was a pretty crappily kept secret.

[Sabrina]

Excuse me, but hasn't anyone (read: the strange people who promote this lunatic theory) ever heard of field offices? Do you have ANY idea how many field offices any government agency will have the world over? It's more likely that WTC7 just housed the New York field office of the CIA and the other federal/state government agencies that were tenants there. Nothing sinister about it at all. Sheesh!

[uruk]

Well its floors are secret and the New York Times claims it was a clandestine station: http://www.wtc7.net/lcache/wtc7.htm

I wonder how that looked on the elevator controll pannel?

Was there a button missing for the floor the CIA offices were on?

Or was there there a sign saying "Do not push this button!"

[SDC]

I'm sorry, but did I miss the volcano that was apparently under WTC7?

Just more proof that the should-have-been-blockbuster documentary, "Krakatoa: East of the Hudson" needed better marketing.

[uruk]

Excuse me, but hasn't anyone (read: the strange people who promote this lunatic theory) ever heard of field offices? Do you have ANY idea how many field offices any government agency will have the world over? It's more likely that WTC7 just housed the New York field office of the CIA and the other federal/state government agencies that were tenants there. Nothing sinister about it at all. Sheesh!

The CIA has a field office all the way down here in McAllen Texas.
It is a secret building though. There's a sign saying "Do not look at this building" on the outside.

Oh and the last time the CIA moved thier offices they blew up a palm tree that rained burning debri on the building then they then used controlled demolition to bring the building down and blamed the collapse on the burning palm tree.

The guy who own the building, one Jose Del La Rodriguez Sliverstien, was overheard to have said "pull it" after which a series of explosions were heard and the building fell going "clunkity clunk"!

[BenBurch]

Typically a private floor has a keyswitch instead of a button...

Why is this a big deal, though? I would be most disappointed if NYC did not have a CIA field office. I mean, My Dog, the United Nations is there! Where else could you have contact with people from so many different governments in one place? We pay far, far, too much money for the CIA, NSA, and whatever other black things are still black for them to ignore NYC.

[lapman]

[QUOTE=bofors;3114018] 1. Rapid onset of “collapse”

[QUOTE]
Last time I checked, 7 hours isn't exactly rapid.

I bet the super-duper secret CIA office was really NWO Kitty's cat box. It hadn't been changed is weeks so Kitty got a little upset. ;)

[fezzic]

Excuse me, but hasn't anyone (read: the strange people who promote this lunatic theory) ever heard of field offices? Do you have ANY idea how many field offices any government agency will have the world over? It's more likely that WTC7 just housed the New York field office of the CIA and the other federal/state government agencies that were tenants there. Nothing sinister about it at all. Sheesh!

But it was referred to as "clandestine", so that makes it suspicious. :)

[gumboot]

The CIA offices could only be significant if the alleged "inside job" was run from it. Frankly WTC7 seems like an incredibly stupid place to run the operation from - especially if you intend to blow WTC7 up. Hell, why not run the operation from the 91st floor of the North Tower?

If the CIA mastermined 9/11, they would have run it from a small basement office in Detroit, or something.

-Gumboot

[Mangoose]

We all saw how the collapse of the towers spread paperwork all over Lower Manhattan. Seems like a CD would just uncontrollably distribute the CIA "secrets" all over the unsuspecting public, rather than destroy the evidence. I would think an oven and a sledgehammer would better destroy paper and computer records.

[gumboot]

We all saw how the collapse of the towers spread paperwork all over Lower Manhattan. Seems like a CD would just uncontrollably distribute the CIA "secrets" all over the unsuspecting public, rather than destroy the evidence. I would think an oven and a sledgehammer would better destroy paper and computer records.


I've worked at several companies that had sensitive documents they needed disposed of. I don't recall any of them blowing up their buildings to do so. Must be an American thing.

-Gumboot

[WildCat]

Can someone please explain how an office in a high-rise can in any way be referred to as a "bunker"?

[TriskettheKid]

Can someone please explain how an office in a high-rise can in any way be referred to as a "bunker"?

Seeing as how some people think that buildings can withstand events like a comet impact......

[Corsair 115]

Industrial shredder: $500
New WTC7 Building: $700 millionIndeed. To think that Enron could have hidden their corporate wrongdoing by blowing up their headquarters instead of merely shredding thousands of documents...

[Sabrina]

I'll put it this way.

Anyone who continues to advance the ridiculous theory that WTC7 was "blown up" to "destroy classified files" needs to explain to me how the heck they are continuing to walk about with an obvious lobotomy.

[Alferd_Packer]

I bet they didn't even have any weapons stored in WTC 7. The customs guys had all the cool stuff stored in WTC 6.

[Drudgewire]

I can't speak for everyone but on a personal level if twoofers want to make their argument with links, try using ones that don't have "911" anywhere in the domain. Because pretty much all of those have already been debunked here.

Thanks in advance. :)

[Bell]

How about prisonplanet? :p