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homunculus
11th September 2003, 06:30 AM
Every explanation - in or outside of science - is an attempt to account for certain observations, or states of affairs, which seem to conflict with some other, more established theory, or otherwise defies our expectations about what, given our current understanding, should be the case. Where there is a need for explanation, there is always some theoretical problem lacking a solution.

Our problem may be quite mundane, and not require any serious revision of our knowledge, or then it may be highly abstruse and technical, and only recogniseable at all from the perspective of some particularly difficult theory. Or perhaps answering our problem involves radically re-thinking everything we took to be the case.

Whatever the situation, our explanation must meet certain general criteria (which in everyday life, most of us seem able to recognise). It is no good, for example, if our account muddies the problem even further, introducing a host of additional complications, and embroiling us in many new problems we never had before. Our car may indeed have broken down because of some elaborate plot involving all our neighbours, a length of chicken wire, and a boiled sweet. But given the facts as we have them, is this really the simplest explanation?

It is also no good if our theory just shifts the problem elsewhere. If our task is to explain how life might have arisen from inanimate matter, we may well find our answer in clay lattices, primordial soup etc. But to announce that Earth was seeded by Martian bacteria, simply exports our problem to a different environment (this is true wether or not life began on Mars).

It seems to me that all "supernatural" and religious explanations suffer from these kinds of defects. It may be true that nobody knows for sure how the universe came into being (or, that it has not been settled to the satisfaction of every authority) but invoking an invisible, undefineable, supernatural "creator" does nothing to improve matters. Unless it can be explained what kind of entity this "creator" is, and how the "creation" was achieved, we have only replaced one mystery with another, as well as shifted the problem (because who or what, then, created the creator?)

It is my view that our intuitions about what consitutes a "quack" theory, or "woo-woo", have more to do with their being vague, messy, and unhelpful explanations, than any inherent "untestability" or "unfalsifiability". Nobody can test string theory, for example, but it is taken seriously by many scientists, because it has such great explanatory power (explanation being the point of the whole enterprise).

Thoughts?

Paul.

homunculus
11th September 2003, 06:50 AM
Nobody can test string theory, for example, but it is taken seriously by many scientists, because it has such great explanatory power (explanation being the point of the whole enterprise)

Yes, this is slightly in conflict with the "On Materialism" post. But nobody ever said I had to be consistent!

Paul.

Tricky
11th September 2003, 07:28 AM
For the quick answer, check out The Woo-Woo Credo (http://www.watchingyou.com/woowoo.html)

homunculus
11th September 2003, 07:56 AM
Oh man, that link is good.

I just printed off a copy. I particularly liked:

"Open numerous accounts under other names, then post agreeable responses to your own messages from those accounts. Everybody knows that the only reason anybody disagrees with you is that they like the belong to "the group" and have no independent thought of their own. Just manufacture a group of people who agree with you, and the rest of the mindless zeebs will fall into line, tripping over each other to become one of your supporters."

Ha (I'm thinking, JK and, oh, wassisname...)!

Paul.

Dancing David
11th September 2003, 08:17 AM
On the money Homonculus!

My feeling goes along with the cartoon where two scientists stand in front of a chalk board full of equations except for a blank spot, one scientist says to the other "and this is where a miracle occurs".

It is the belief that there is something special that makes the gap filled which makes a 'woo-woo' from my experience it is also associated with narcissistic personality disorder as well.

Eos of the Eons
11th September 2003, 09:43 PM
John O'Leary and Neal Halsey have been misquoted in this fashion:

Keep trotting out the one "respectable" scientist who might possibly have said something that could be construed as perhaps giving a hint that it may theoretically support your position. Even better if said scientist has said it outright. Ignore all complaints that the work is 50 years out of date, the scientist has no experience in the field in question or that other experts in the same field think said scientist is a complete loony (and they can prove it, too).




edited to put quote in quotes

c4ts
11th September 2003, 09:54 PM
If you're cornered and asked for proof of something, always tell the person that they "can't disprove" your claims. Many of them will just walk away shaking their heads, which of course means they agree with you. A side-to-side head shake could be the same as a vertical nod. Anything is possible, after all.

The core of woo-woodom.

reprise
11th September 2003, 09:56 PM
40. When all else fails, try to redefine what "skeptical", "skeptic" and "skepticism" mean so that you become a 'real' skeptic who accepts your own nonsense at face value.

It's only funny because it's true.

If posting at IIDB, substitute the word "atheist" for "skeptic".

kourama
12th September 2003, 08:36 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120531/