Hal Lindsey:Is God Finished with Israel?

[billiefan2000]

http://www.hallindsey.com/articles.asp?ArticleID=3414

[hgc]

One wacko poking pointing his finger at other wackos.

[Tormac]

I don't know.

What do you think Billiefan?

I do not have the inside track on the plan of God myself.

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by Tormac
I don't know.

What do you think Billiefan?

I do not have the inside track on the plan of God myself.


But from what the bible says we all know GOD isnt finished with Israel.


hgc,what is considered by one man to be a wacko can be considered a visionary or prophet by another.

[Buddy]

You might be right Billifan, but chances are that the person seeing the profet is actually weak minded and easily deluded

[Peter Jenkins]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
hgc,what is considered by one man to be a wacko can be considered a visionary or prophet by another.

Sure can: David Koresh, Jimmy Jones, Joseph Smith jnr, Nostradamus, Mary Baker Eddy, All considered Visionaries and Prophets, Billiefan.
Peter

[Tormac]

Well Billiefan,

I'm curious now. I used to be more familiar with the good book than I am now, but can you point to passages that mention God's plan for the State of Israel in the year 2004?

edit to add- I suppose I'd accept a more generalized prediction of things, although I am rather weary of open-ended predictions.

X-day has not happened yet, after getting all worked up last 5th of July, I'm beginning to think that is just some made up excuse to drink martinis.

Can you supply some specific passages that refer unambiguously to the future of the state of Israel?

(thanks for responding BTW).

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by Peter Jenkins


Sure can: David Koresh, Jimmy Jones, Joseph Smith jnr, Nostradamus, Mary Baker Eddy, All considered Visionaries and Prophets, Billiefan.
Peter


You made a good point,plus we got Modern day Versions of the ones you mentioned that by most people including many Christians are nothing but flat out frauds or phonies.


Benny Hinn and Stan Johnson of the Prophecy Club and Kim Clement to name a few.



Tormac,If I knew what was going to happen in 2004 in any way or shape or form,wouldnt I be taking the JREF million-dollar challenge right now.

[Tormac]

Billiefan 2000 pointed out

Tormac,If I knew what was going to happen in 2004 in any way or shape or form,wouldnt I be taking the JREF million-dollar challenge right now.


Good Point Billiefan :).

I would not expect you personally to be able to predict the future. I was just hoping for an unambiguous bible quote. Lindsey's interpertation of biblical symbolism is entertaining, but IMHO has little predictive value.

His claim that the "scoffers" are christians who reject a literal translation of the bible (from his interpretation of 2 Peter 3:1-4) seems to be based more on his desire to extol a literal interpretation of the bible than any specific reference to current times and the debate in the christian community over a literal or allegorical interpretation of the bible.

Consider the direct quote from him

The coming of Jesus for His Church is very near. Make sure that you are not numbered among the scoffers. But rather take the Biblical prophecies literally and seriously. Seek to help the ‘natural branches’ as much as possible to stay in security in their own land. Let’s win as many Gentiles and Jews as possible to faith in Jesus before the trumpet sounds and we launch into eternity.

It implies that big events are just over the horizon, and serves as a rally cry to witness to the unsaved. But the quotes that he used to get to this statement could just as well have been applied to 14th century Europe. There was serious belief that the end times was upon the church at that time as well, largely fueled by panic over the black death, the schism of the church, divisions of feudal society, and a new wave of the crusades. There are no direct biblical quotes that can be used to establish a time line (given that one would accept a literal interpretation of the bible) to indicate that the "time" is soon, far in the future, or in the distant past.

So do you think that Lindsey is correct Billiefan, and we are living in the "end times"?

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by billiefan2000



But from what the bible says we all know GOD isnt finished with Israel.


hgc,what is considered by one man to be a wacko can be considered a visionary or prophet by another.

Quite true, a wacko can easily be taken as a prophet by other wackos.

On the other ahnd sometimes a wacko is merely a wacko.

[Max560]

Well, these are troubling times indeed. It's not suprising to see people wondering what all the trouble in the middle east really means.

Religious peoople will tend to look to their own sacred texts and seek to interpret them, with the hope of gaining deeper understanding.

Of course, the current state of affairs in Isreal really just shows us that Cthulhu is about to awaken from his ancient slumber and devour us all.

[a_unique_person]

When you read a bit of that link, this guy is going on about the end of times being right on us, with prophecies being fulfilled etc, etc.

But I don't see any evidence of one, single, fantastic, god created miracle or feat anywhere. When you look at Revelation, it doesn't just have the prophecies, it has all kinds of fantastic events and creatures parading around like half time entertainment at the footy.

I haven't seen one example of this.