View Full Version : Territories, Possessions, and Influenced Areas of the United States of America
Malachi151
11th September 2003, 12:26 PM
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/territories.htm
When we think of the United States we often think of the 50 official states, but there is much more to America than just the 50 states. Below is a listing of all of the territories, commonwealths, and possessions of the United States of America.
Territories:
Guam
United States Virgin Islands
American Samoa
Commonwealths:
Puerto Rico
Northern Mariana Islands
United States possessions:
Howland
Baker
Jarvis Islands
Kingman Reef
Johnson
Palmyra
Wake
Midway Atolls
Navassa Island
Compacts of Free Association:
Federated States of Micronesia
Republic of the Marshall Islands
Republic of Palau
For more information about these American places and how they are governed see:
http://www.macmeekin.com/Library/terr+commonw2.htm
In addition to these places it is helpful to know which places have been possessions of the United States in the past as well. Previously occupied American territories include:
The Philippines 1901 - 1941
Haiti 1915 – 1934
Nicaragua 1912 – 1933
Dominican Republic 1916 - 1924
Panama Canal 1903 – 1999
On a more subjective level there are also many countries who’s leaders or political systems have been controlled or influenced by the United States in some way over the years. For the purpose of helping to understand American influence I will include some of these places here and the times in which it is generally accepted that their political systems were under significant influence of the United States.
Nicaragua 1855 – 1860
Liberia 1820 - 1865
Cuba 1898 – 1952
Germany 1945 – 1955
Japan 1945 - 1955
South Korea 1948 - 1960
Congo 1960 - 1964
Vietnam 1950 - 1973
Chile 1964 - 1973
Iran 1953 - 1979
Guatemala 1953 – 1980s
Indonesia/East Timor 1965 - 2002
Iraq 2003 - ?
I've had to put this information together myself because I was not able to find it anywhere together, so if you have any additional information, or see something wrong, please let me know.
Michael Redman
11th September 2003, 12:45 PM
What about Mexico? We invaded and took 1/3 of the country. We still have a lot of influence.
Of course, that last list is entirely subjective, and somewhat meaningless as presented. The US has had a lot of influence on a lot of countries. So have a lot of other countries. And a lot of countries have had a lot of influence on the US. If the inclusion on that list is to mean anything, I think you need to set more definite criteria. After all, you list South Korea. We were there under UN mandate, and didn't govern the country. We also had a lot of troops in the UK during WWII, and still have them there today, but you didn't list the UK. Why the difference?
Malachi151
11th September 2003, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Michael Redman
What about Mexico? We invaded and took 1/3 of the country. We still have a lot of influence.
Of course, that last list is entirely subjective, and somewhat meaningless as presented. The US has had a lot of influence on a lot of countries. So have a lot of other countries. And a lot of countries have had a lot of influence on the US. If the inclusion on that list is to mean anything, I think you need to set more definite criteria. After all, you list South Korea. We were there under UN mandate, and didn't govern the country. We also had a lot of troops in the UK during WWII, and still have them there today, but you didn't list the UK. Why the difference?
I included countries in that list where the US had a direct impact on elections or the politcal structure of the country or played a signifcant role in assisting a leader to power. We didn't do that in Mexico, we didn't do that in the UK, we did do that in South Korea.
I made no distinction between positive or negative influence since that is subjective anyway. Perhaps I should add a summar of why I included them on the list.
Chupacabras
11th September 2003, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Malachi151
I included countries in that list where the US had a direct impact on elections or the politcal structure of the country or played a signifcant role in assisting a leader to power. We didn't do that in Mexico...
Well, that certainly depends on the kind of analysis being made. According to some critics, current president Fox was strongly sponsored by the US, prompted (mainly) by political interests.
Then, there's also the DEA's yearly "certification of cooperation" in the war against drugs, which is seen as a direct involvement in others' internal matters, and also carries political and economic consequences.
So in any case it's a thin line to tell "direct" from anything else.
Ed
11th September 2003, 02:17 PM
Innuendo. What is the point?
Malachi151
11th September 2003, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Chupacabras
Well, that certainly depends on the kind of analysis being made. According to some critics, current president Fox was strongly sponsored by the US, prompted (mainly) by political interests.
Then, there's also the DEA's yearly "certification of cooperation" in the war against drugs, which is seen as a direct involvement in others' internal matters, and also carries political and economic consequences.
So in any case it's a thin line to tell "direct" from anything else.
Yes I agree there, but its not a case of assassination, overthrow of the government, controling an election, or direct involvement in the structuring of a government. As I said I guess I need to put into about why each of those made the list, and as I said I'm open to suggestions as well. Mexico... to me that is not enough direct enough involvement to qualify. I don't want to
Ed
11th September 2003, 03:07 PM
Yawn
Jon_in_london
11th September 2003, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by Ed
Yawn
Fart
Chupacabras
12th September 2003, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by Malachi151
Innuendo. What is the point?
Well, I find it interesting from an academic POV. Food for tought as to how things evolve for such a powerful country, having to have strongholds everywhere. Even more deductions can be made if you put the information on a timetable, so I appreciate the effort.
Originally posted by Ed
Mexico... to me that is not enough direct enough involvement to qualify.
Agreed in principle. It also called to my attention that there are references back to the early 1800's.
OTOH, I was wondering if the US was much involved in Nicaragua up to the 1980's, until Anastasio Somoza was thrown by the Sandinista coup (that even later evolved into the Contras issue). I was just a kid ;) but I remember that it was one of the arguments for the revolt in the first place (and even a US reporter paid the ultimate price).
Malachi151
13th September 2003, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Chupacabras
Well, I find it interesting from an academic POV. Food for tought as to how things evolve for such a powerful country, having to have strongholds everywhere. Even more deductions can be made if you put the information on a timetable, so I appreciate the effort.
Agreed in principle. It also called to my attention that there are references back to the early 1800's.
OTOH, I was wondering if the US was much involved in Nicaragua up to the 1980's, until Anastasio Somoza was thrown by the Sandinista coup (that even later evolved into the Contras issue). I was just a kid ;) but I remember that it was one of the arguments for the revolt in the first place (and even a US reporter paid the ultimate price).
Ask and ye shall receive:
Check out the new and updated version, I'll be adding even more actually. I learned a lot of stuff researchign this. Ironically the Russian embassy has the best overall outline of all this info that I could find :p
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/territories.htm
http://www.usembassy.ru/usa/geography.php
corplinx
13th September 2003, 01:39 PM
Malachi, please stop using this forum as your personal blog.
That said, I think the US, the UK, the Netherlands, and France should relinquish all islands in the Pacific and Caribbean they still hold. The Carbibbean is a big mess of Islands held by countries on the other side of the globe.
Tony
13th September 2003, 03:20 PM
Is there a point to this?
Why don't you find the territories, possessions, and influenced areas of Britain, France, Germany, Russia, Japan, Spain, Portugal, or Mexico.
Edit to add: Why didnt you include the states not part of the original 13?
Malachi151
13th September 2003, 04:33 PM
Obviously you have not gone to the link.
You learn interesting stuff like this though, for example one of the largest oil refineries in the world is in St Croix in the US Virgin Islands, and there are special tax exemptions for doing business in the Virgin Islands...
Ed
13th September 2003, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by Malachi151
Obviously you have not gone to the link.
You learn interesting stuff like this though, for example one of the largest oil refineries in the world is in St Croix in the US Virgin Islands, and there are special tax exemptions for doing business in the Virgin Islands...
I knew that. Ever been down to the Virgins? Check out their economy and you will see why the tax exemptions.
American
13th September 2003, 08:05 PM
You forgot our 6 moon territories:
Landed on Moon 20 July 1969
Sea of Tranquility
Returned to Earth 24 July 1969
Landed on Moon 19 November 1969
Ocean of Storms
Returned to Earth 24 November 1969
Landed on Moon 5 February 1971
Fra Mauro
Returned to Earth 9 February 1971
Landed on Moon 30 July 1971
Hadley Rille
Returned to Earth 7 August 1971
Landed on Moon 20 April 1972
Descartes
Returned to Earth 27 April 1972
Landed on Moon 11 December 1972
Taurus-Littrow
Returned to Earth 19 December 1972
(Communist lunar landings: 0)
jj
13th September 2003, 09:15 PM
Malachi speaks
Always to the same point , yes?
Debilitated!
Malachi151
14th September 2003, 07:04 AM
I have no idea how anyone can have issue with this. This forum is for politics and history. All this document is, is simply a listing or all the US territories and when they were aquired. How can anyone take issue with that? Its simply a historical references. I swear you guys get worked up over anything. How can you take issue with something as simple as this?
Ed
14th September 2003, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by Malachi151
I have no idea how anyone can have issue with this. This forum is for politics and history. All this document is, is simply a listing or all the US territories and when they were aquired. How can anyone take issue with that? Its simply a historical references. I swear you guys get worked up over anything. How can you take issue with something as simple as this?
Because it is a "discussion" board. You don't discuss, you are simply suggestive in a most cowardly way.
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