Patty Casazza: Whistleblowers Told Me Government Knew Exact Date and Targets

[boloboffin]

Patty Casazza made a surprise appearance at a Truther convention. She gave a quick talk (in which she gave a shoutout to Richard Gage, of all people). Then she took some questions:

(concerning Bandar's recent revelation that Saudi Arabia was tracking the hijackers)

With Saudi Arabia, you know, they've been financial friends to us. You know, the provided oil. They've kept our economy going, and with our protection, you know, they've existed -- and you know, I'm speaking of the kingdom, the princes of Saudi Arabia. I wouldn't doubt that they were following these people who supposedly hijacked these planes. Many of the people, like Osama bin Laden himself, were once our own patsies. So it would not surprise me that perhaps these people, either of their own volition or our patsies once again, were being followed by Saudi Arabia, Israel -- there were at least twelve countries that warned us that there were people within our own borders willing to fly planes into buildings. I mean, it was that specific. Other than an invitation, I don't know what else you needed in that arena to do the right thing and step up the protection of at least the airlines on that day. Saudi Arabia as a nation is perhaps thinking, I would guess, that they might be at risk of retaliation against us. And maybe they're trying to marshall, you know, their own people in that area together in the event that, you know, we feel they've overstepped their bounds and now they're the enemy. I can't answer that, but it would not surprise me.

Q: What happened to the testimony of Sibel Edmonds?

A: What --

Q: Sibel Edmonds testified for three hours. What happened to that testimony?

....

A: Sibel came to, actually, the four widows and asked us if she could get a hearing with the Commission because nobody of the Commission was responding to her request to testify. And part of the problem with testifying as someone working with some of the agencies is that they have to be careful of state secrets, what they reveal. And in order to be a whistleblower and not be retaliated against, most whistleblowers need to be subpoenaed, because then their co-workers and those who might retaliate against them know that under penalty of law they could be accused of being traitors and whatnot, put in jail or executed. So most whistleblowers were -- did not come forward on the basis of what happened to Sibel Edmonds. Sibel brought us many whistleblowers and I submitted them personally to Governor Kean, who was the chairman of the Commission, and I said, "These people are not being subpoenaed. They will not come before the Commission voluntarily unless they are subpoenaed." And he promised me to my face that every whistleblower would be indeed heard. And most were not heard. Sibel was only heard because we dragged her in to surprise the Commission on one of the days we were meeting with them, that we had her with us. We met other whistleblowers on the side of the road of Maryland, you know, to hear what they could tell us. None of them revealed state secrets to us, by the way. But they had information, and basically, the government knew, you know, other than the exact moment, they knew the date and the method of which the attacks were supposed to come. And none of this made it to the mainstream media. None of it made it into the Commission. And yet again, all of your Representatives, on the day that the Commission book came out, were on their pulpits saying what a fabulous job this Commission has done. A real service to this nation. And it was anything but a service, it was a complete fabrication.

Q: [INAUDIBLE]

A: Other than perhaps the exact time, you know, because planes don't always go off on time. They knew the date, they knew the method -- that it was going to be with airplanes.

Q: [INAUDIBLE]

A: Yep. Mm-hmm. They knew that it was that day, and they were going to happen. They knew the targets.

Q: Thank you.

Those are the allegations, and there's a lot of bad information in what she's saying, but these are new allegations from what I've heard.

Sources:

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com...y-casazza.html (http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/11/911-family-member-patty-casazza.html)

And the youtube of the short speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rukxI_GLc3w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rukxI_GLc3w)

[Slayhamlet]

Who is she? I've never heard of her before.

[beachnut]

Who is she? I've never heard of her before.
one of the four Jersey Girls.

[Gravy]

She's one of the "Jersey Girl" widows.
We met other whistleblowers on the side of the road of Maryland, you know, to hear what they could tell us.She can meet me by the side of the road and I'll tell her who bin Laden's hairdresser is.

Considering what's at stake for the U.S., these whistleblowers aren't blowing very hard, are they? Frauds is more like it.

[boloboffin]

She's one of the "Jersey Girl" widows.
She can meet me by the side of the road and I'll tell her who bin Laden's hairdresser is.

Considering what's at stake for the U.S., these whistleblowers aren't blowing very hard, are they? Frauds is more like it.

Yeah. Can you be a whistleblower if you don't actually blow the whistle?

And they're afraid because of what happened to Sibel Edmonds? Did someone Silkwood her and I not read about it?

[BenBurch]

If she has this information and it is true, she's an accessory to MURDER if she does not reveal the names.

But of course this is all a steaming load of custard.

[boloboffin]

Well, she doesn't have the actual proof. The wannabe whistleblowers who have to be subpoenaed first have that. So they're the accessories, and she's covering their identities up.

[Redtail]

My Grandfather and his buddy, both WWII vets, told me about the battle of Chateau Breon(sp?).... 8-9 years later I found my Dad's Richard Pryor tapes (8 Track!) That's where they got that bit.:rolleyes:

[Mr.Herbert]

Damn I hate custard.... steaming load of custard???.... ewwww... im going to upchuck:gasp:

[MarkyX]

The old "I have secret information from someone who I cannot reveal" :rolleyes:

[boloboffin]

Oh, man, this may get me banned from Democratic Underground. Someone has uploaded the YouTube video to their Political Videos forum, and they have moderators kicking and recommending the video.

Of course, you know me. I'm calling them out and I've sent a message to the administrators about it. If DU wants to officially support woo of this magnitude, that's their business. But they will be hearing about it from me until they quit this crap.

[BenBurch]

Oh, man, this may get me banned from Democratic Underground. Someone has uploaded the YouTube video to their Political Videos forum, and they have moderators kicking and recommending the video.

Of course, you know me. I'm calling them out and I've sent a message to the administrators about it. If DU wants to officially support woo of this magnitude, that's their business. But they will be hearing about it from me until they quit this crap.

If they ban you, you are in good company. Come on over to DemocraticWarrior.com

[The Doc]

The United States government knew the location of the attacks, the names of all the hijackers, and where they were residing the day before the attacks. You heard it first on JREF from the Doc, who was told this information by a whistle blower. Now prove me wrong :)

[BenBurch]

The United States government knew the location of the attacks, the names of all the hijackers, and where they were residing the day before the attacks. You heard it first on JREF from the Doc, who was told this information by a whistle blower. Now prove me wrong :)

Man! You PROMISED not to tell! :D

[Foolmewunz]

I once picked up a whistleblower by the side of the road in
Tennessee - he was hitch-hiking and it was raining, so I felt bad for him. But after about five miles of him blowing on that damned whistle, I shoved the thing up his left nostril, and choked him with the string until he gave me the recipe for Mickey D's special sauce.

I left the body somewhere between Jackson and Memphis, but have the recipe tucked away because I may need it in the future if they empanel that special investigation and besides, I cannot tell you who my source was, so it doesn't matter. (Hint... How long has it been since anyone's seen Mayor McCheese, hmmm?)

[Brainster]

I'm beginning to see why Kristen Breitweiser didn't get associated with 9-11 Press for Truth. I'd be curious to see who the "whistleblower" was on this one; Delmart Vreeland? Leo Wanta? Karl Schwartz? There are so many credible ones out there.

[Disbelief]

I didn't realize the penalty for retaliation against a whistleblower could be death.

[WildCat]

because then their co-workers and those who might retaliate against them know that under penalty of law they could be accused of being traitors and whatnot, put in jail or executed.
NWO Kitty's reputation grows by the hour!

Oh, the idiocy!

[JAStewart]

Its just some fodder for the loons with bottomless pockets.

[Brainster]

You know, the sad thing is that in all probability there was some meeting set up by Sibel Edmonds where a "whistleblower" told the Jersey Girls this nonsense. Reveals what a piece of work Sibel is.

[Foolmewunz]

You know, the sad thing is that in all probability there was some meeting set up by Sibel Edmonds where a "whistleblower" told the Jersey Girls this nonsense. Reveals what a piece of work Sibel is.

But you gotta love the cloak-and-dagger subterfuge.

By the side of the road? Gee, that won't be conspicuous. A couple of Joisy Goils talking to a guy in a trench coat with a brown paper bag over his head.

Maryland? Half the state consists of Federal employees. (I think the other half consists of H.S.All American basketball players.) They could've had an entire Senate Sub-Committee on the road behind them.

It didn't occur to them to follow all the great spy flicks of all time... Meet in a public place like Denny's or Starbucks for FSMs sake!

"Okay, Blue Leader...this is Rumpled Housecoat. Do you read me? Synchronize watches - it's oh-nine-ten-and-twenty-five seconds on my mark..... MARK! We're approaching the Towson turnoff. There's a suspicious Piggly Wiggly truck behind us. Taking evasive action! Do you read me? Revert to Plan B. I repeat, ... Revert to Plan B. Recon in Area 7! Do you read me? The wet bird never flies at night. I repeat,... The wet bird never flies at night."


:spjimlad::spjimlad::spjimlad:

[T.A.M.]

Sad that she has been taken in by the snake oil crew. I really don't have much more to say. She is simply someone else misled by the conmen.

TAM

[CHF]

I love how every twoofer knows either...

a) a whistle-blower with super-duper info that will blow the 9/11 conspiracy wide open...but awww shucks, they can't reveal the name!

or

b) a best friend whose uncle has a barber whose roommate's wife knows a guy who once met a perfectly qualified expert in engineering who thinks the WTC was a demolition...but again, gosh darn it, they won't reveal a name.

You'd almost think they were making this stuff up!

[boloboffin]

Well, this may blow over yet. The thread's been moved to the September 11th forum. But not before that video made the front page of DU (grrrrr).

A lot of people were kicking and recommending strictly because of the Jersey Girls. The unexamined political life is not worth rallying for.

[BenBurch]

You know, the sad thing is that in all probability there was some meeting set up by Sibel Edmonds where a "whistleblower" told the Jersey Girls this nonsense. Reveals what a piece of work Sibel is.

Now be fair, you cannot draw a conclusion from speculation.

[BenBurch]

Well, this may blow over yet. The thread's been moved to the September 11th forum. But not before that video made the front page of DU (grrrrr).

A lot of people were kicking and recommending strictly because of the Jersey Girls. The unexamined political life is not worth rallying for.

There is just an amazing amount of woo on DU. I love some of the folks there, but WOW.

[Brainster]

Now be fair, you cannot draw a conclusion from speculation.

I guess looking at it really hard, Casazza might not have been saying this was one of Sibel's whistleblowers. But I'm more than a little sick of Sibel's act at this point, so I'm not inclined to be charitable.

[ktesibios]

I'm confused. I had been under the impression that Sibel Edmonds had complained about poor performance in translating intercepted communications, in an area where it could hinder efforts to detect and thwart terrorist plots, due to bureaucratic empire-building and business as usual.

That seemed like a perfectly rational thing to blow whistles about and worthy of investigating.

What's this got to do with 9/11 conspiracism? I don't follow politics or conspiracy theories 24/7; has she gone woo or is this a wooish misinterpretation of something originally reality-based?

[boloboffin]

She also makes claims about recruitment by Turkish agents. One of the more intriguing theories I've heard is she has evidence of a federal agency putting a spy in their department (either FBI or CIA, can't remember which). And I can't remember exactly why it ties to 9/11, but there's a roundabout way it gets there.

Brainster, any links to Sibel debunking would be greatly appreciated.

[DarkMagician]

The Troother's think that she found something on 9/11 that was supposedly recieved before the date, and that the gag order and what-have-you are supposed to keep this under wraps.

[BenBurch]

The Troother's think that she found something on 9/11 that was supposedly recieved before the date, and that the gag order and what-have-you are supposed to keep this under wraps.

As much as she runs her misshapen yap I *wish* there were a gag order. Or at least a gag.

Seriously, if she had an ounce of decency she would just spill whatever it is she thinks she knows to the New York Times and be done with it.

What? She thinks they would DARE touch her after that? Bat Squeeze.

She either comes up with it or she is an opportunistic FRAUD, ghoulishly dining off the corpses of her fellow Americans.

[Alferd_Packer]

What makes Patty Casazza so special that a whistleblower will reveal things to her, but not to anyone else?

[BenBurch]

What makes Patty Casazza so special that a whistleblower will reveal things to her, but not to anyone else?

Well, most other people cannot see them. Imaginary things are like that.

[T.A.M.]

What makes Patty Casazza so special that a whistleblower will reveal things to her, but not to anyone else?

Because chances are the "whistleblower" was a conman who knew her, and knew she was one of the famous "Jersey Girls" and took her for a ride on the truth train.

TAM:)

[CurtC]

What makes Patty Casazza so special that a whistleblower will reveal things to her, but not to anyone else?

We need a different word here - an anonymous person can't be a whistleblower. Secret informant? Hypothetical secret informant?

[Dave Rogers]

We need a different word here - an anonymous person can't be a whistleblower. Secret informant? Hypothetical secret informant?

I'd suggest the term "deep throat" for an anonymous whistleblower, due to the obvious historical precedent.

Dave

[geggy]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&projects_and_programs=ableDanger

plenty of whistleblowers...

[T.A.M.]

whats geggy's post count at now?

TAM;)

[A W Smith]

Patty's gonna write a new book?

"the hitchhikers guide to conspiracy"

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

It must be close to lunch time... I read that as "Pasta Casazza" and I'm thinking... there's a conspiracy theory recipe?

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&projects_and_programs=ableDanger

plenty of whistleblowers...

Yet where's their proof. Their proof is nothing but speculation and conjecture.

[Brainster]

She also makes claims about recruitment by Turkish agents. One of the more intriguing theories I've heard is she has evidence of a federal agency putting a spy in their department (either FBI or CIA, can't remember which). And I can't remember exactly why it ties to 9/11, but there's a roundabout way it gets there.

Brainster, any links to Sibel debunking would be greatly appreciated.

There really are none, for the simple reason that Sibel plays this game of "I've got a secret and I can't tell you." And of course she's got the gag order to "prove" it. She was hired by the FBI after 9-11 and the charges that got her on 60 Minutes were basically that she was told by her supervisor to go slow on translating documents so that they could get a budget and a larger department. Troubling certainly, but not really 9-11 related except in terms of outrage that this might lead to another one. She also claimed that her supervisor, who was also translating Turkish documents, was dating a Turkish diplomat at the same time. Possible conflict of interest, certainly.

But as for the 9-11 stuff, she's like an old-time hootchie-kootchie dancer at a carnival sideshow. You'd swear she was going to show you everything but somehow the important parts remain hidden. This latest gambit of "I'll tell all on live network TV" is of course a bunch of hooey designed to further prop up her status as somebody that the mainstream media won't touch.

Here's her open letter to Tom Kean (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0408/S00012.htm) following the issuance of the 9-11 Commission Report. Most of the stuff discussed in there is ground well-covered; Colleen Rowley, the Phoenix Memo, her charges against her supervisor, etc. But as always with Sibel, there's just enough hint of more to come:

The victims family members still do not realize that information and answers they have sought relentlessly for over two years has been blocked due to the unspoken decisions made and disguised under ‘ safeguarding certain diplomatic relations.’ Your report did not even attempt to address these unspoken practices, although, unlike me, you were not placed under any gag. Your hearings did not include questions regarding these unspoken and unwritten policies and practices. Despite your full awareness and understanding of certain criminal conduct that connects to certain terrorist related activities, committed by certain U.S. officials and high-level government employees, you have not proposed criminal investigations into this conduct, although under the laws of this country you are required to do so.

This part did catch my attention:

Over three years ago, more than four months prior to the September 11 terrorist attacks, in April 2001, a long-term FBI informant/asset who had been providing the bureau with information since 1990, provided two FBI agents and a translator with specific information regarding a terrorist attack being planned by Osama Bin Laden. This asset/informant was previously a high-level intelligence officer in Iran in charge of intelligence from Afghanistan. Through his contacts in Afghanistan he received information that: 1) Osama Bin Laden was planning a major terrorist attack in the United States targeting 4-5 major cities, 2) the attack was going to involve airplanes, 3) some of the individuals in charge of carrying out this attack were already in place in the United States, 4) the attack was going to be carried out soon, in a few months. The agents who received this information reported it to their superior, Special Agent in Charge of Counterterrorism, Thomas Frields, at the FBI Washington Field Office, by filing “302” forms, and the translator translated and documented this information. No action was taken by the Special Agent in Charge, and after 9/11 the agents and the translators were told to ‘keep quiet’ regarding this issue. The translator who was present during the session with the FBI informant, Mr. Behrooz Sarshar, reported this incident to Director Mueller in writing, and later to the Department of Justice Inspector General.The press reported this incident, and in fact the report in the Chicago Tribune on July 21, 2004 stated that FBI officials had confirmed that this information was received in April 2001, and further, the Chicago Tribune quoted an aide to Director Mueller that he (Mueller) was surprised that the Commission never raised this particular issue with him during the hearing ( Please refer to Chicago Tribune article, dated July 21, 2004).

But the Chicago Tribune article describes things quite a bit differently:

Five months before Sept. 11, a longtime informant for the FBI reported that Al Qaeda was planning a devastating terrorist assault in which the weapons were to be commercial airliners.

According to two sources familiar with that interview, the informant was short on details. In particular, nothing was said about the precise timing of the airborne attack, its location or its possible targets.

Law enforcement officials who have reviewed the April 2001 interview and at least one follow-up conversation insist that the informant's information, by itself, could not have led the bureau to the Sept. 11 plotters.

And:

According to the law enforcement official, "there was talk about terrorists and planes," but no mention of when or where the attacks might take place.

It was the FBI agents' impression, the official said, that the target of the attacks could be "possibly here, but more probably overseas." The Asset also reported having heard a rumor that a plane would be hijacked to Afghanistan, the official said.

The FBI's translator, a former Iranian police colonel named Behrooz Sarshar, does not recall any mention of a hijacking to Afghanistan. But Sarshar, then a career FBI employee assigned to the translation section of the bureau's Washington field office, does remember the Asset saying the attacks might take place in the U.S. or Europe, and also that the terrorist-pilots were "under training."

After checking his notes from the interview, Sarshar said that, in addition to sources in Iran, the Asset had mentioned picking up information from Afghanistan and Hamburg.

Certainly suggestive--Afghanistan and Hamburg. But:

Sarshar retired from the FBI in 2002 after an FBI agent complained to the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility that Sarshar had discussed, "outside a secure setting," a federal anti-terrorist prosecution in Los Angeles on which he had worked.

So it could be sour grapes too. At any rate, the specificity that Sibel claims is clearly not there.

[boloboffin]

My term for the "whistleblowers", since they aren't, is "wannabes". That is, when I'm not calling them "imaginary."

[LashL]

Sadly, some people will do or say anything to obtain and/or extend their "15 minutes of fame", even if it requires that they just make crap up. Two compelling examples of this are S. Edmonds and W. Rodriguez.

[T.A.M.]

people in hollywood spend their entire lives "making stuff up" to extend their fame.

Then again, that is what they do for a living...lol

TAM:)

[gumboot]

Something worth remembering about Sibel Edmonds is she was never employed by the FBI. She was an outside contractor.

-Gumboot

[boloboffin]

We have been informed over at DU that Sibel Edmonds HAS suffered drastic consequences because of her stance and her speaking out, consequences that certainly must chill the blood of any wannabe whistleblower when they contemplete the sheer agony that she has undergone.

Sibel Edmonds has been RETROACTIVELY CLASSIFIED.

:dl:

I seriously can't make this stuff up.

[Sabrina]

How can you retroactively classify a PERSON?

Oy vey... *shakes head in wonder*