South tower collapse damage to North tower?

[BenBurch]

Is there any documentation of the damage to the North Tower brought on by the collapse of the South Tower? Seems to me there MUST have been some, but I cannot find anything about it.

Thanks!

-Ben

[Sabrina]

Had the North Tower stood, I believe we would have found some at lower levels, below the level the dust and smoke dropped to prior to the North Tower collapsing that is. If there was any at upper levels, I'm not aware of it being mentioned. Perhaps you could contact the helicopter pilots who were monitoring the North Tower and ask if they noticed any? Although I have to admit their focus was rightly on the fire and it's spread, not on any ostensibly cosmetic damage caused by the collapse of the other tower. Still, they may have noticed some and just deemed it not of interest, since the North Tower also collapsed from the impact zone and not from any lower levels.

[BenBurch]

Agreed, not a factor in the collapse. I just wondered why I never saw any discussion of the damage. I mean look what happened to other nearby buildings!

[defaultdotxbe]

i think the main reason is that the tower collapsed before any detailed observations could be made

the main concern was simply getting people away from the tower as quickly as possible

[BenBurch]

i think the main reason is that the tower collapsed before any detailed observations could be made

the main concern was simply getting people away from the tower as quickly as possible

Yeah, the fire tapes show chaos in FDNY on the ground as command structures were wiped out and had to be rebuilt ad hoc. At one point there were three different ad hoc field command centers who could not communicate with each other.

[firecoins]

Is there any documentation of the damage to the North Tower brought on by the collapse of the South Tower? Seems to me there MUST have been some, but I cannot find anything about it.

Thanks!

-Ben
you can see damage in the North tower's lobby caused by the South tower collapse in the Naudet film. Also many firfighters and other escaping the North tower could not believe the damage in the lobby as well as a lack of the Fire command that had been set up in that lobby pre South tower collapse.

[Gravy]

There are many accounts of damage to the north tower from people inside the building: walls destroyed, stairwells unstable, falling wallboard, reports that the 65th floor had collapsed (although it didn't); a general sense that conditions were decaying in the building; atrium, lobby, and concourse levels devastated. I present many of these accounts in my Rodriguez and Schroeder papers.

[The Silver Shadow]

I remember seeing on the live footage (and subsequent replays) that there was some sort of outer wall damage on the lower levels once the dust cleared. Does Gravy know anything about that?

[BenBurch]

You know, I was thinking... ( uh oh! )

ANY of the buildings that got damaged on that day. ANY one of them would have been international news by itself.

The CTers don't consider that overkill factor when they decide it had to be a NWO plot; Why destroy SO MANY buildings? One would have been more than enough.

[gumboot]

Recently here in Auckland it was announced a new building has been given approval, which will reach 2/3 of the way up the Sky Tower (tallest structure in the Southern Hemisphere) and be a full 50m higher than the next tallest building. Out of curiosity I looked into the size of the site (currently a carpark) and realised the overall site area is almost exactly the size of the footprint of one WTC tower. So then I imagined a tower, nearly half again as tall as the sky tower, and with a structural footprint the size of this entire carpark. Then I tried to imagine two such towers. Then I tried to picture the entire WTC complex, with these things in the middle of it.

Once again I find myself absolutely stunned senseless by the sheer scale of the buildings.

-Gumboot

[BenBurch]

Gumboot, they were amazing things. Have you ever seen the History Channel documentary on the building? They aired it once about a week after the event. It had been prepared months before, of course. They noted in the video which of the people being interviewed were dead or missing.

There is one shot in there that is awesome. Its the setting sun shining through one of the towers and you realize how little structure there actually was.

-Ben

[Brainster]

You know, I was thinking... ( uh oh! )

ANY of the buildings that got damaged on that day. ANY one of them would have been international news by itself.

The CTers don't consider that overkill factor when they decide it had to be a NWO plot; Why destroy SO MANY buildings? One would have been more than enough.

Because that's how many were destroyed. Remember, these are the guys who seem to think that only three of the four planes were supposed to hit their targets.

[Gravy]

Recently here in Auckland it was announced a new building has been given approval, which will reach 2/3 of the way up the Sky Tower (tallest structure in the Southern Hemisphere) and be a full 50m higher than the next tallest building. Out of curiosity I looked into the size of the site (currently a carpark) and realised the overall site area is almost exactly the size of the footprint of one WTC tower. So then I imagined a tower, nearly half again as tall as the sky tower, and with a structural footprint the size of this entire carpark. Then I tried to imagine two such towers. Then I tried to picture the entire WTC complex, with these things in the middle of it.

Once again I find myself absolutely stunned senseless by the sheer scale of the buildings.When I take people who've never been to New York to Rockefeller Center, we stand under 30 Rock (GE Building, formerly RCA Building) and look up. It's 850 feet tall (259 m). People are staggered by it, and they should be: it is really impressive. Then I ask them to imagine a building more than 500 feet taller, and wider. Then I ask them to imagine two such buildings, next to each other. They can't. Neither can I.

There is one shot in there that is awesome. Its the setting sun shining through one of the towers and you realize how little structure there actually was.
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/NewYorkWTCseethrough.jpg/NewYorkWTCseethrough-large.jpg (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/NewYorkWTCseethrough.jpg/NewYorkWTCseethrough-large.jpg)
Other buildings in the photo, which is looking east:

At far left: Woolworth Building, tallest building in the world, 1913-1930. 792 feet.

To immediate right of south tower: 1 Chase Manhattan Plaza, 813 feet.

To right of that: Cities Service Building (now AIG), 70 Pine Street, 1932. At 952 feet, currently the third tallest building in NYC, although not for long.

At far right: 40 Wall St. (now Trump Building), tallest building in the world, briefly, in 1930 (927 feet).

[Quad4_72]

When I take people who've never been to New York to Rockefeller Center, we stand under 30 Rock (GE Building, formerly RCA Building) and look up. It's 850 feet tall (259 m). People are staggered by it, and they should be: it is really impressive. Then I ask them to imagine a building more than 500 feet taller, and wider. Then I ask them to imagine two such buildings, next to each other. They can't. Neither can I.


http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/NewYorkWTCseethrough.jpg/NewYorkWTCseethrough-large.jpg
Other buildings in the photo, which is looking east:

At far left: Woolworth Building, tallest building in the world, 1913-1930. 792 feet.

To immediate right of south tower: 1 Chase Manhattan Plaza, 813 feet.

To right of that: Cities Service Building (now AIG), 70 Pine Street, 1932. At 952 feet, currently the third tallest building in NYC, although not for long.

At far right: 40 Wall St. (now Trump Building), tallest building in the world, briefly, in 1930 (927 feet).

Wow you went all tour guidey on us :p

[BenBurch]

Thanks, Gravy, that is the shot.

I have a MPEG-1 version of that History Channel piece that I digitized at the time. It was done using an old hardware streaming encoder, so its not great quality, but I've never found another copy.

And of course it was the *rising* sun; I had a 50-50 chance of getting that right and so of course...