When will the "Twoof" movement die

[NikZeta302]

We know that the moon and JFK weirdos are an Endangered Species with most of them dieing off by now, but 9/11 wackos aren't endangered there stupid can be heard, seen or even smelled(and boy do they smell) from miles away. This all makes me wonder when are they going to die off.

[Unsecured Coins]

when someone creates a vaccine against "dumb"

[CHF]

It won't fully die off any time soon, just like how JFK kooks, moon landing hoaxers and
Holocaust Deniers still walk the streets.

9/11 twoof will simply become more and more irrelevant as time goes by. This is already happening as the recent heckling episodes demonstrate.

[Good Lt]

I think this has been said, but it will be decades before it shrinks from trendy alt-politico movement to fringe whacko stuff. All polls aside, these loonbats are very animate and focused on keeping themselves in the public consciousness, no matter how stupid they make themselves look or how ridiculous their stunts.

Once you realize that the point of 9-11 Troof isn't actually the truth and is rather a ploy by pathetic people for attention (and in many cases $$$) they don't deserve, everything they do can be seen as an act done in furtherance of this aim.

Eyes on the prize - they want to be heroes and movie stars, and the facts and 9-11 victims are the steps they're using to climb to the heights they think they're headed towards.

[CptColumbo]

Like all CTs it will die when Time Travel is invented, and every single little piece of the plot can be fully explained to 100% accuracy.

[Good Lt]

Like all CTs it will die when Time Travel is invented, and every single little piece of the plot can be fully explained to 100% accuracy.

So, never? ;)

sigh.

[CptColumbo]

So, never? ;)

sigh.Pretty much.

[Good Lt]

Will JREF be here forever as well?

Night needs a day, after all.

[ktesibios]

"Never" is a good estimate. The CT industry is a very green industry- it recycles everything. What I expect is that 9/11 CTs will fade from their present prominence into just another part of the catechism which every conspiracy syndromist believes, along with the Apollo Hoax, the Illuminati, the Federal reserve CTs, chemtrails and so on. Basically, we're talking about a contraction in the target demographic and a difference in emphasis where 9/11 CTs become just another face in the crowd, or one of the "usual suspects".

But die off completely- fugeddaboutit. A hundred years from now the situation will still be "scratch a woo and you'll find more woo".

BTW, NikZeta302- in these parts a poll ain't a poll unless there's a Planet X option included. ;)

[OldTigerCub]

You forgot "When troothers grow up, stop smoking pot, watch the news and register to vote" (though that may be a couple of years off for some)
As long as charrismatic types think they can make money promoting "conspiracy gospel" it will never die, though it will eventually fade away as the political climate changes and more important things occupy the minds of the next generation...:rolleyes:

[Gravy]

I think the truth "movement" has been dying since September, 2006, but the conspiracy theories will continue to be promoted by die-hards approximately as long as dumb people exist, and will remain strong in Muslim countries.

[A W Smith]

by Nov 2009 it will be gone. Just a series of broken bookmarks and missing links. Dylan will become a manager at a Friendly's, Bermas will be doing newspaper paste up artwork for auto advertisements, Rodriquez will be pushing sweeping compound down the halls of a cheesy motel in Puerto Rico. Alex Jones will be recovering from a quadruple bypass. Rowe will become a recruiter. (it could happen) Balsamo will grow increasingly paranoid and insane eventually to be shot dead in a police shootout. The CIT team will eventually marry each other. (not that theres anything wrong with that) Judy Wood will go back onto her coma. Fetzer will have a stroke. Ace baker will be selling new songs for a dollar to passers by at venice beach just like larry "wild man" fisher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Man_Fischer)did in the sixties.

[Hokulele]

To be honest, if it weren't for the fact that I learned about them from the JREF forum, I would probably never have realized there was a movement. So to answer the OP, the movement was dead on arrival, but there will always be CTists orbiting around Ground Zero.

[Jedi_Master]

We know that the moon and JFK weirdos are an Endangered Species with most of them dieing off by now, but 9/11 wackos aren't endangered there stupid can be heard, seen or even smelled(and boy do they smell) from miles away. This all makes me wonder when are they going to die off.

Howdy...

I think you forgot a few...

"When the Gullible Teens Grow Up and Get Into the Real World"

And...

"When the Gullible Wake UP and Get Into the Real World"

And…

“When the EGO subsides”

For the most part from what I've seen of the "Twoofers" they are teens that are rebellious/agenda driven (I know I was a real rebellious, and know it all teen once), or other folks that are a little bit older that are rebellious/agenda driven (and a know it all) against anybody in authority, and that they haven’t experienced life as to how the real corporations and government work...

They live in their own little world…

These types of folks are highly suggestive to theories that support their claims (eg: sheeple); I mean I’ve seen (and I’m sure you have too) people that buy into anything that would support their rebellious ways…

Someday they will grow up or loose their agenda, and then they understand the error of their ways…

Then you have the EGO driven folks, that due to their so called “experience” they have all the answers, they have a theory that is wrong but they can’t admit to it, these type of people need to realize that….Hey… I’m human I can make mistakes …but they can’t do it, and therefore they continue to hawk their claims…

[OldTigerCub]

by Nov 2009 it will be gone. Just a series of broken bookmarks and missing links. Dylan will become a manager at a Friendly's, Bermas will be doing newspaper paste up artwork for auto advertisements, Rodriquez will be pushing sweeping compound down the halls of a cheesy motel in Puerto Rico. Alex Jones will be recovering from a quadruple bypass. Rowe will become a recruiter. (it could happen) Balsamo will grow increasingly paranoid and insane eventually to be shot dead in a police shootout. The CIT team will eventually marry each other. (not that theres anything wrong with that) Judy Wood will go back onto her coma. Fetzer will have a stroke. Ace baker will be selling new songs for a dollar to passers by at venice beach just like larry "wild man" fisher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Man_Fischer)did in the sixties.

...and both Jimmy Buffet and Toby Keith will write songs about it, and neither will earn a Grammy, but SCUBA divers and redneck country boys (like me, at heart) will make fools of themselves singing it on karaoke nights...:p

[The Doc]

We've had quite a few threads like this, and the general consensus here is that although the movement itself may die down to the point where it is practically non-existent, the theories themselves will always be around.

[leftysergeant]

As soon as drugs are legalized, they will throw massive regional parties and all fatally OD on Ecstasy.

[qarnos]

More people, by an order of magnitude, believe Elvis is still alive (http://www.misterpoll.com/results.mpl?id=3413647416) than those who support the "truth" movement.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

It will never die. There will always be 5 [rule10s] trying to spread their lies.

I think when we're about 1 generation PAST anyone alive on 9/11 they be forgotten, or just a footnote of history.*





* in medical journals relating to psychology

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

As soon as drugs are legalized, they will throw massive regional parties and all fatally OD on Ecstasy.

A bunch of sexually frustrated boys who don't have girlfriends in a room together taking ecstasy... Well, I don't think they need the X to see what'll happen next.






*not that there's anything wrong with that... but... *puke*

[Sabrina]

On Planet X, the "twoof" movement has died, been resurrected as a bloodsucking vampire, and then been staked!

Just adding in the last option; feel free to embellish further. :D

[Dave Rogers]

I voted for "When it stops being cool". However, I suspect there's a need for another poll here.

Dave

[Praktik]

It will never die. Well - maybe once enough time has elapsed, when we're in a totally new cultural/political paradigm, when 9/11 is as far away from us as we are now from say, the Druids. Then it will be pretty much dead.

But as long as America exists as a recognizable version of what we see today, I believe the myths of 9/11 will persist. Heck - we got CT'ers referring to the POPE and Zionists as evil manipulators - and those particular theories have been kicking around for centuries.

Now - when will the 9/11 movement lose steam and membership and relevance?

I think a lot will depend on world events. But I can see there being a sizeable number of "believers" for another 15-20 years at least, probably longer. Maybe more like 50.

[afinemadness]

It has been sick since 2006. It goes on life support after "The final Insult" is released. It will however never die. There will always be someone to stop the plug being pulled so as to further their own cause or wallet.

[ihaunter]

When will the "Twoof" movement die? When this (http://stupidfilter.org) comes pre-installed on all computers.

From the FAQ:
So what do you plan to filter?
The idea is that the most egregiously stupid comments will also be the easiest to detect while remaining ignorant of context; comments with too much or too little capitalization, too many text-message abbreviations, excessive use of "LOL," exclamation points, and so on.

How do you rate stupidity?
Since we're trying to build a detailed database that serves as a very verbose example of What Not To Do, we look for comments whose prose style we can point to and say, "I don't even have to understand the content of this comment to know that it's stupid," -- based on the gross prose style alone, its stupidity is self-evident. It is then useful as an example for our parser to integrate into its database of stupidity.

[FactCheck]

It's already dying. The desperation is in seen as they change tactics to what I like to call the "Don't ignore me, bro! Don't ignore me!" tactics.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/st911.org

http://www.debunking911.com/tactic.htm

[geni]

Pretty much falling apart already. They need growth and they are not getting it at the rate they used to. Means that new memebers won't get the same rush from being part of something amazing. Short of something significant event a couple of years should see it become nothing more than part of the strata on which NWO CTs exist.

[LashL]

When will the "Twoof" movement die? When this (http://stupidfilter.org) comes pre-installed on all computers.




:D

[LastChild]

We know that the moon and JFK weirdos are an Endangered Species with most of them dieing off by now, but 9/11 wackos aren't endangered there stupid can be heard, seen or even smelled(and boy do they smell) from miles away. This all makes me wonder when are they going to die off.


Maybe they're waiting for something to actually get debunked. Or better yet maybe they're waiting for someone to prove the official line actually feasible, complete, and true. But then again I can only speak for myself and I don’t hold a membership card to any club or movement.

[Miragememories]

Hmm.

When will the Truth Movement Die?

That sounds so Germany 1930's.

So I guess the desire is "When Will the Lie Movement Prevail"?

MM

[maxpower1227]

Maybe they're waiting for something to actually get debunked. Or better yet maybe they're waiting for someone to prove the official line actually feasible, complete, and true. But then again I can only speak for myself and I don’t hold a membership card to any club or movement.

There are a lot of people out there waiting for the very same things from all the Moon Hoax Believers.

[T.A.M.]

So I guess the desire is "When Will the Lie Movement Prevail"?

MM

Public Opinion that is in the majority almost always prevails, so there really is no guessing "when" the "official account of the 9/11 events" will prevail...it always has been (since 2001), and always will.

And please no whining about Galileo "opposing the status quo".

TAM:)

[Miragememories]

Public Opinion that is in the majority almost always prevails, so there really is no guessing "when" the "official account of the 9/11 events" will prevail...it always has been (since 2001), and always will.

And please no whining about Galileo "opposing the status quo".

TAM:)

No argument T.A.M.

Public opinion will prevail..unless the police state prevails first.

MM

[Plantfoam]

No argument T.A.M.

Public opinion will prevail..unless the police state prevails first.

MM

It has prevailed, and it is called "Venezuela", and now for a limited time at least, "Pakistan". :D

[Unsecured Coins]

yeah, that's supposed to come into effect... in 7 hours right?

[SB_Croooow]

The movement has been dead, for quite a long time.

[beachnut]

The movement has been dead, for quite a long time.
They sure spew brain dead old ideas. The living dead, 9/11 truth keeps rising from the dead to present the same old moldy, rotten ideas. Like a bad b-movie, 9/11 truth keeps recycling old ideas.

They are dead to most people. As soon as people learn about how foul their ideas are they then boo them off normal venues.

They are like the living dead spewing foul ideas, but mostly harmless zombies chanting "inside job".

[Fnord]

I figure that long after it stops being cool, the twoof movement will still have its die-hard adherents. Consider the following twoofer-like statements:

"The wisdom of Atlantis is preserved by 'Secret Societies.'"

"The Giza pyramids and Nazca lines were built with extra-terrestrial assistance."

"Lincoln shot first."

"Houdini speaks from the grave."

"The second shooter was on the grassy knoll."

"I was abducted, probed, tagged, and released,"

"Elvis' grave is empty."

"Bush stole the election."

[nicepants]

Define "death"

I'd say it's in hospice care right now. It's not really alive anymore...it's just in a room down the hall waiting for the inevitable.

[The Silver Shadow]

Whenever there is infighting and illusions of grandeur, that is the first sign of defeat. This has been going on for a long time for the truth movement. There is the banning of no-planers, the belief that a qualified scientist is being schooled by a lay person, etc.

[Cuddles]

Like Hokulele said, the truth movement is already dead. It was never alive in the first place. They might seem to have a presence if you hang around in the right places on the internet, but the vast majority of people don't even know they exist. They're not even up to the level of JFKers on Moon hoaxers. 9/11 truthers haven't even reached the point where they blend in to the generic mass of conspiracy nuts, people just don't even know that they're there.

More people know about a man who had sex with a bicycle (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7095134.stm) than know the truth movement exists, let alone actually believe any of it.

[Garb]

I doubt the truth movement will ever die. Even when there is a new president the truthers will just hassle George Bush at his own house instead.

[peteweaver]

Its already dead, they just haven't realised it yet.

[dudalb]

When the next big Conspriacy Theory comes along.

[Sparky]

It's already dead. The body is just flopping on the ground like a headless chicken.

[PhantomWolf]

More people know about a man who had sex with a bicycle (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7095134.stm) than know the truth movement exists, let alone actually believe any of it.

Okay that's just plan wierd, and the judgement even worse I'd have thought. Regardless of the "act" the guy was in his own "home" (well Hostel room) and yet he gets convicted and place on the sexual offenders list for three years for essentially playing with a bicycle in a way most people don't. Just because his choice of sextoy differes from the norm, how is it really any different from a woman using her "massager" for similar relief?

[Coffee]

The conspiracy crap surrounding 9/11 will hang around as long as the paranoid fear-mongers peddle it and the gullible buy in to it. As for the "truth" movement, it was never alive. A real movement accomplishes a goal. In six years the truthers have done nothing note worthy. The most they will ever accomplish is have their names placed in a government database somewhere with the notation: "9/11 kooks".

[SpitfireIX]

The "truth" movement is dead. It just won't lie down. :mad:

[tomwaits]

People still believe that there was a conspiracy involving the Knights Templar...and that was 700 years ago. It will never go away, but will fade into obscurity, only to be propounded by the truly insane (I would say that it already has).

[StickMan2008]

We know that the moon and JFK weirdos are an Endangered Species with most of them dieing off by now, but 9/11 wackos aren't endangered there stupid can be heard, seen or even smelled(and boy do they smell) from miles away. This all makes me wonder when are they going to die off.

Actually that movement is growing every day thanks to the freedom of information.

Whoever the "elite" are they didn't account for an invention like the internet or they certainly would have privatized it.

More and more people can get historical perspective of governmental corruption to debunk the official line of incompetence/morality

More and more people can get historical perspective on how the media has always been the PR machine for big business and government.

And with this perspective people are objectively looking at the OS of 9/11 with open skepticism and they are quickly finding out that it doesn't hold up to the least bit of scrutiny.

They are exposed to the holes that are not attempted to be explained by any of the investigations carried out.

They are exposed to the holes of those investigations and the individuals who were a part of them who distanced themselves because of the selection bias in which they were carried out.

[Redtail]

Actually that movement is growing every day thanks to the freedom of information.

Whoever the "elite" are they didn't account for an invention like the internet or they certainly would have privatized it.

More and more people can get historical perspective of governmental corruption to debunk the official line of incompetence/morality

More and more people can get historical perspective on how the media has always been the PR machine for big business and government.

And with this perspective people are objectively looking at the OS of 9/11 with open skepticism and they are quickly finding out that it doesn't hold up to the least bit of scrutiny.

They are exposed to the holes that are not attempted to be explained by any of the investigations carried out.

They are exposed to the holes of those investigations and the individuals who were a part of them who distanced themselves because of the selection bias in which they were carried out.

1. What is the evidence that the "truth movement" growing?

2. How do you know the "elite" aren't in control of the internet and feeding you lies from "Real History" site to keep you from finding out what they are really doing?

[StickMan2008]

1. What is the evidence that the "truth movement" growing?

2. How do you know the "elite" aren't in control of the internet and feeding you lies from "Real History" site to keep you from finding out what they are really doing?


1)The popularity of investigative documentaries online. Views,votes,etc. Also, online polls of people who think the US was involved have grown steadily

2)The elite are not in control of the internet because there is a freedom of information. The best they can do is sock puppets and disinfo aka the truth movement.


They don't want you to see the Protocols of Zion

[tomwaits]

They don't want you to see the Protocols of Zion


dude...seriously. You do realize you are completely insane?

[Sporanox]

I'm pretty sure that the truth movement will exist in the minds of a few at any point, thanks to impressionable, know-it-all tweeners.

I was once on a forum where a few fourteen year old kids were proselytizing about Hitler having escaped his bunker at the end of World War II and building a secret base in Antarctica, replete with UFOs and his usual complement of Nazis. It had something to do with Area 51 and seeing aliens as well. Actually, a lot of it had to do with aliens...

Anyway I had to try and convince them otherwise, seeing as nobody should muddle their brain with that sort of thing, but they put me on no-post-without-moderator-review and deleted some of my counterargument (because it was getting too "competitive," I suppose).

If there are preteens around who will believe that stuff, then likely they might believe 9/11 conspiracies as well.

[funk de fino]

Actually that movement is growing every day thanks to the freedom of information.


Where were all the morons on 911 at GZ this year then?

Look at the web traffic for the truther sites, is it increasing at a huge rate year on year?

The only thing they do is squabble between themselves, come here and repeat the same old crap, then run away (or get banned for breach of rules) after a short time, flood internet polls, ban each other at their forums, post sick and insulting comments on youtube videos and generally make complete fools of themselves.

What have you done for your movement?

[Sporanox]

I'm pretty sure that the truth movement will exist in the minds of a few at any point, thanks to impressionable, know-it-all tweeners.

I was once on a forum where a few fourteen year old kids were proselytizing about Hitler having escaped his bunker at the end of World War II and building a secret base in Antarctica, replete with UFOs and his usual complement of Nazis. It had something to do with Area 51 and seeing aliens as well. Actually, a lot of it had to do with aliens...

Anyway I had to try and convince them otherwise, seeing as nobody should muddle their brain with that sort of thing, but they put me on no-post-without-moderator-review and deleted some of my counterargument (because it was getting too "competitive," I suppose).

If there are preteens around who will believe that stuff, then likely they might believe 9/11 conspiracies as well.

[Furi]

Teh Movement is alreddy ded, I seed a video on it on YouTube! but it is taken down now, by the ebil shills who want the movement to continue to draw bonuses on their shill cheques

maybe a new movement, VolountaryEuthanaesia4truth might have more of a life span.

[DavidJames]

1)The popularity of investigative documentaries online. Views,votes,etc. Also, online polls of people who think the US was involved have grown steadilyI noticed you didn't provide any evidence to support these claims. Here they are broken out. How about you provide evidence that the movement is growing. As an example, to support your claim that #1 was growing, I would expect to see independent data showing the hits/site visits for a sampling of those documentaries over the past 5 years to show a steady increase. I would expect that data to be normalized to account for any possible changes in the general populations increased use of the Internet. Hop to it stickboy, you have some work to do.

1. popularity of investigative documentaries online
2. Views
3. votes
4. online polls of people who think the US was involved have grown steadily

But I expect to see no such thing from you as I suspect you are blowing smoke out your butt.

[Furi]

You Missed Something


1. popularity of investigative documentaries online
2. Views
3. votes
4. online polls of people who think the US was involved have grown steadily
5. ???
6. Profit.


But I expect to see no such thing from you as I suspect you are blowing smoke out your butt
would that be Black smoke from oxygen starved fires :tinfoil

[Sporanox]

LOL StickMan, you seem to have an unshakeable belief in this freedom of information thing. You do know that if the government was really as fascist as you claimed, there would be black ops silencing every prominent truther in the nation who was close to actually proving something?

But guess what, there aren't.

If the government wanted the Internet to become less free than it is now, it can happen. Just look at China.

[Coffee]

1)The popularity of investigative documentaries online. Views,votes,etc. Also, online polls of people who think the US was involved have grown steadily

After Six years all the truther movement can come up with is videos and Internet polls. That speaks volumes about their inability to be an effective revolutionary force.


2)The elite are not in control of the internet because there is a freedom of information.

Who are the elite? Can you provide evidence of their existance?

The best they can do is sock puppets and disinfo aka the truth movement.


You're right, the truth movement is disinfo. They peddle conjecture, lies and speculation as fact/evidence.


They don't want you to see the Protocols of Zion[/quote]

You're wearing the super deluxe tin foil hat, right?

[dudalb]

After Six years all the truther movement can come up with is videos and Internet polls. That speaks volumes about their inability to be an effective revolutionary force.




Who are the elite? Can you provide evidence of their existance?




You're right, the truth movement is disinfo. They peddle conjecture, lies and speculation as fact/evidence.


They don't want you to see the Protocols of Zion[/quote]

You're wearing the super deluxe tin foil hat, right?


And the Bigoted Super Deluxe Tin Foil Hat at that.
The Protocols of Zion...the Bible of the Anti Semitism since the 1920's.

[Stellafane]

The 9/11 CT movement is like a rubber spider. It was never really alive, but it's impossible to kill.

[Stellafane]

1)...They don't want you to see the Protocols of Zion


Please, please tell me the above statement was meant as a joke.

[Coffee]

They don't want you to see the Protocols of Zion

Please, please tell me the above statement was meant as a joke.

I doubt that he was joking. After seeing his posts in this sub-forum I wouldn't be surprised if he believes all of Mel Brooks' movies contain secret codes for "the evil Zionists".

[BenBurch]

I doubt that he was joking. After seeing his posts in this sub-forum I wouldn't be surprised if he believes all of Mel Brooks' movies contain secret codes for "the evil Zionists".

Madeline Kahn was the mastermind.