Composition of "super" Thermite

[JamesB]

I am not an expert on this, but this makes no sense. Can any of you chemistry majors comment?

http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/expert-blows-the-cover-on-911-inside-job/1619/

Torin then explains super thermite, “Add potassium permanganate (KMnO4) and cupric sulphide (CuSO4) to thermate and you have something called ‘Super Thermite’ which is explosive and used in mega-demolition, such as WTC 1 & 2.” For obviously criminal reasons, “NIST refuses to comment on the presence of Al, Mg, S, K, or Cu in the samples.

One thing I do know is the military though, and the fact that a former soldier repeats these lies is even more offensive.

Torins insight as a combat nurse reveals that the actual amount of dead troops numbers around 15,000-17,000, not the 3,500 we have been told. “If you get shot in combat – Bam! Clock goes off. If you die in transit [to a hospital out of Iraq such as Ramstein in Germany] you are not an official Iraq casualty.” The same holds true if the troops out of the country die 24 hours after they were hit in Iraq. The official troop death number is just those that have died in action on the ground.

[Sabrina]

Oh my God....

That's just an utter travesty... I can't believe that was a former soldier. *shakes head in disgust*

[Vincent Vega]

I am not an expert on this, but this makes no sense. Can any of you chemistry majors comment?

http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/expert-blows-the-cover-on-911-inside-job/1619/



One thing I do know is the military though, and the fact that a former soldier repeats these lies is even more offensive.

I love it when people invent terms to encompass their delusion.

And the casulty claim is just ignorant.

http://www.militarycity.com/valor/

There are plenty of soldiers/airmen/marines listed here who died out of theater from wounds sustained in theater, or even illness.

Air Force Tech. Sgt. Joey D. Link, 29, of Portland, Tenn.; assigned to the 39th Airlift Squadron, Dyess Air Force Base, Texas; died Aug. 5 of natural causes at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, Germany, in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

[apathoid]

Oh my God....

That's just an utter travesty... I can't believe that was a former soldier. *shakes head in disgust*


......and theres plenty more where that came from. Do a forum search for "Torin Wolf".

[Hellbound]

I can say, with definity, that his statements about casualty rates are untrue. IF you are shot in Iraq, you are a casualty. IF you die later, after being transported home and, say, dying in surgery stateside, you're still a casualty of the war. If he was actually a "combat nurse", he would have to be at least basically familiar with the patient tracking used in the military. This means he's lying.

Frankly, I suspect he has little demolitions experience. I also suspect he is vastly over-stating his combat experience and combat record. IN fact, viewing the "documentary", I KNOW he is lying:

He claimed to be a "Combat Nurse". He's a PFC. In the Army, you can be an LPN or an RN. LPNs are all given the rank of at least Sergeant upon completing LPN training; RNs are Commissioned Officers. Additionally, the documentary marks him as "Medic", which would be the same MOS I was, 91W. That's roughly a combination of an EMT Intermediate and a Certified Nurses Aid. MOre the later role in a hospital setting.

Additionally, as a PFC, he would not have had much, if any, involvement in the details of patient tracking and casualty tracking and recording. I only had involvement with it because I was the lead medic for our platoon, and we operated independently form the rest of our battalion. I had to send up casualty reports for our people. Just to give some idea on rank structure, a Sergeant is comparable to a junior manager on a civillian job. A PFC is two steps below that. I don't say this to denigrate him or the rank, but just to show how little he would have been involved in anything beyond basic operations: things like casualty reports, planning, logisitcs, treatment decisions for patients, all of these would have been above his level.

Also, they talk about his GED at 14 and the several fields he's an expert in, but no credentials are provided.

Quite frankly, I see another liar and fraud. The simple demonstration of his lies about his service and position in Iraq are enough that (blantant lies, in regards to his providing the doucmentary as proof that exposes his sham role as a nurse), if he told me the sky was blue, I'd go outside and start taking measurements before I believed him.

[Hellbound]

Another thing.

The documentary started filming in February, 2003.

They state he joined the military in September, 2000.

The time from Entry in the militayr to PFC rank is generally about 12 months. Many would get PFC right after completing AIT (the job training school after basic). At 2 and a half years, he should be AT LEAST a specialist, and could easily have made Sergeant (I have 13 years and am just a sergeant, because I switched service from guard->active->reserve, and I also went from specialist back to private towards the end of my active time, and had to rebuild...IOW, I [rule8]'d up).

For him to be a PFC after 2 and a half years suggests a less-than-stellar record and confirms my guess that he was in no way a "combat nurse". It also casts (for me) a lot of doubt on whether he actually recieve a bronze star with V device at all; that's a fairly high award, and not one that would be expected in a support hospital unit.

Also, just to note the comments about the "combat medical badge", that's given out for any medical person who performs medical duties while under fire. Essentially, it means if you go into a war zone, and you are a medic (and assigned to that job in whatever unit you are with), and someone shoots in your vicinity, you get it. Technically, the award is only supposed to be for direct support of Infantry, armor, and calvary, and include actual treatment of some sort. But they've been giving them out to everyone over since the beginning, which (IMHO) makes them pretty much meaningless. I never applied for mine, because of that (I have the Epxert Field Medical Badge, which is technically consdiered a lesser award, but involves a two-week testing of skills, physical ability, and medical knowledge and has an 80% failure rate. It has more meaning for me).

[leftysergeant]

The "super thermite" to which he refers would have about the explosive force of black powder and would be useless for demolitions. I recall reading that it is used mostly as an ignitor in rocket motors and some pyrotech. It's an "electric match," mostly.

[Sabrina]

......and theres plenty more where that came from. Do a forum search for "Torin Wolf".

Jeebus Cripes....

:hb:

Why did I do it? Why did I press the Search button? *shakes head*

[apathoid]

Jeebus Cripes....

:hb:

Why did I do it? Why did I press the Search button? *shakes head*


You're right. I should've posted a caveat along with my suggestion. Don't worry, brain cells grow back......




Actually they don't - but I'm just trying to make you feel better.

:p

[A W Smith]

This guy Torin dont know **** about concrete
Dangerously high levels of asbestos, lead, PCB’s, mercury, radioactive materials, and powdered concrete were in the air after the towers were demolished. Much to the surprise of many audience members, we learned from Torin that by far the most dangerous on the list was the pulverized concrete. The pulverized concrete, which was thick in the air around ground zero after the collapses of WTC 1 and 2, had a pH of 12 which is “about the same as drain cleaner.” This pH level, when breathed in and gets wet in your lungs, will cause chemical burns. “Wet concrete can burn you,” (http://www.cement.org/basics/concretebasics_working.asp) Torin adds. The asbestos is bad, but that will kill you over 20 years - the powdered concrete will kill much faster. So its no surprise to learn that all of the 9/11 rescue and recovery dogs are dead.


You don't get concrete burns from Ph levels. you get concrete burns from the chemical reaction while it is curing. Ive had those burns on many occasions over the years. never from fully cured concrete.

[Hellbound]

I won't search. That article was enough to raise my blood pressure to Super Thermite explosive levels :)

You know, I can't claim to be a supersoldier or anything else, but I've seen a lot of the militayr and been involved in it forever, as well as having family in. And it really bugs me to see people abusing their status in this fashion. It's a slur against all of the rest of us who served, especially when they use their staus as veterans to promote all sorts of [rule8]ing [rule8]. He's another "PX Ranger"*

*: PX Ranger is a term for those soldiers who will go to the PX and purchase rank and skill insignias for things like Ranger school, Airborne, Specail Forces, etc, and wear them wihtout ever doing the training, just for the "rep". MOre generally, it's applied to anyone who exaggerates their military role, experience, or credentials.

[nicepants]

Torin then explains super thermite, “Add potassium permanganate (KMnO4) and cupric sulphide (CuSO4) to thermate and you have something called ‘Super Thermite’ which is explosive and used in mega-demolition, such as WTC 1 & 2.” For obviously criminal reasons, “NIST refuses to comment on the presence of Al, Mg, S, K, or Cu in the samples.

I've never heard of Potassium Permanganate (KMNO4) used to make thermite burn hotter or faster....however...a KMNO4 + Glycerin reaction will generate enough heat to start a thermite reaction if you don't have a blowtorch and magnesium ribbon lying around.

Those 2 substances are a great addition to any emergency kit. (Separately, of course...the exothermic reaction they generate is spontaneous)

[JMarshall]

This guy is on the very top of my woo list... But personal opinion aside. If he actually had demolitions experience, AS HE CLAIMS, it is hilarious (Actually more infuriating to me.) to even think that he would make these sensational claims... I'm not going to speculate his military experience, or question it, but his claims of knowing demolitions I will... What companies has he worked for? What demolition sites did he "not just helping at a lower level in the demolitions - he was the guy responsible for calling the shots."? Where is the citation from him? Ok, I guess I'm going to have to really dig deep on this guy...

"PX Ranger"*
*: PX Ranger is a term for those soldiers who will go to the PX and purchase rank and skill insignias for things like Ranger school, Airborne, Specail Forces, etc, and wear them wihtout ever doing the training, just for the "rep". MOre generally, it's applied to anyone who exaggerates their military role, experience, or credentials.

BINGO, just what I was thinking!

[The Almond]

This guy Torin dont know **** about concrete


You don't get concrete burns from Ph levels. you get concrete burns from the chemical reaction while it is curing. Ive had those burns on many occasions over the years. never from fully cured concrete.

From reading that statement, it's pretty clear that Torin is mixing up "wet concrete" with "fresh concrete." In grad school, I avoided touching fresh concrete, but you would honestly have to leave your hand in for 30 seconds of constant contact to get burned. Mostly, it just felt uncomfortable.

The pH of pore water in concrete is usually around 12 pH, but that water is chemically adsorbed to the CSH gel structure. It can't get out and burn you, no matter how finely you pulverize it.

To summarize, wet, hardened concrete is no more dangerous than wet, stale Wonder bread.

[leftysergeant]

I'll avoid going in any depth into how dangerous Wonder Bread was after Chainsaw Jimmy Watt got hold of the company.:D

Potassium permanganate was part of the usual igniter that I used when working with thermite. And you can combine it with sugar to make "fire fudge" to use as an igniter for gasoline/acid fire bombs. It does act as an oxidizer in some of the home-made rocket fuels that were popular when I was young. You just have to be careful how hot you get the sugar while melting it.
Don't ask me for the recipe. Too many trolls here are dangerous enough not knowing how to do it.

[Hellbound]

Can't you use Potassium Chlorate and sugar, as well? That's what I remember for self-igniting Molotov cocktails. I may be missing part of it, though; it's been a while.

[SDC]

He's another "PX Ranger"*

*: PX Ranger is a term for those soldiers who will go to the PX and purchase rank and skill insignias for things like Ranger school, Airborne, Specail Forces, etc, and wear them wihtout ever doing the training, just for the "rep". MOre generally, it's applied to anyone who exaggerates their military role, experience, or credentials.

Crikey. You can do that? How in heck?

For example, if I purchased my college/ university degrees, that would be, well, a real fraud... Or at least it would if I used them for, say, false information on job applications. But if I just wanted them on the wall, I guess, it would only be really stupid.

[Hellbound]

Crikey. You can do that? How in heck?

For example, if I purchased my college/ university degrees, that would be, well, a real fraud... Or at least it would if I used them for, say, false information on job applications. But if I just wanted them on the wall, I guess, it would only be really stupid.

SDC:

No, you can purchase the uniform patches and badges, but not the actual paperwork that would be in your record. It's legal to buy the patches/badges, but not to wear them unless you are authorized, but you'll see people that try to do it (for example when moving from one base/unit to another) to fudge records or just after-hours (to show off at the club).

It would be more comparable to going to a freshman college student going to the college bookstore and buying a graduation cap and gown, and maybe a couple upper-level textbooks, then claiming he's a PhD candidate. Or to people who buy research papers online.

[Alareth]

Didn't we conclude in another thread that in order for Torin's resume to be correct concerning the length of time encompassed by all his jobs he had to start working somewhere before puberty?

[Gravy]

"fire fudge"That's what happens when I overeat at Happy Fresh Taco.

[StoneWT]

Was he a Combat Lifesaver?

[BenBurch]

To summarize, wet, hardened concrete is no more dangerous than wet, stale Wonder bread.

You underestimate the danger of Wonder Bread.

[John Blonn]

For obviously criminal reasons, “NIST refuses to comment on the presence of Al, Mg, S, K, or Cu in the samples.

lol, I love this part of the argument.

If this standard of argument holds, then I propose the following "critique" of NIST:

"Pink-supersonic the hedgehogs are known to be 1) steadfastly opposed to tall buildings and 2) on the payroll of the NWO. However, it is also known that 3) pink-supersonic the hedgehogs leave a trail of radioactive ooze in their wake. Alpha and beta signatures can be detected weeks after the presence of a P-STH. For obviously criminal reasons, NIST refuses to comment on the presence or absence of these telltale radioactivities."

I PWNED NIST!!!!!!1111111

[Hellbound]

Was he a Combat Lifesaver?

Combat Lifetaker? I doubt it, not working in a Combat Support Hospital, and with patients (he was there, the documentary schows that). I suspect he was a medic, just as I was...a 91W (68W now, I think) - Health Care Specialist. It's essentially a combo of EMT and nurse's aid...we do immediate first aid in field units or act as everyones [rule8] in hospitals...you know, changing bedpans, cleaning up after "code browns", changing IV bags, blood draws, etc. In fact, he's listed as a "medic" on the documentary, and I don't know of any other medical MOS in the Army that would be called "medic"...theres nurses, techs, and doctors, but the medics are all 91W's. It's the "baseline" medical job.

He was not a nurse in any way, shape, or fashion for the military. They don't make nurses that low in rank.

Well, I take that back. He could have done the Army's LPN school (used to be 91C, not sure now), graduated with the promotion to SGT that comes with it, then done something majorly messed up to get busted back to PFC. But somehow, I doubt that.

[qarnos]

Super-Thermite? Is that just something the troofers invented to give thermite all the magical powers it needs to explain away the evidence?

This is a classic case of the conspiracy snowball effect.