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nicepants
9th November 2007, 01:49 PM
A perfect example of quote-mining....from the order-page for LCFC (http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/lochficut.html)

"What people are saying about Loose Change...



Loose Change, a documentary ...which just might be the first Internet blockbuster.
-Vanity Fair-


Loose Change is a... blizzard of statistics, photographs, documents, eyewitness accounts and expert testimony set to a trippy hip-hop backbeat.
-TIME MAGAZINE-


Millions of people have heard its message. Like it or loathe it, you can't ignore Loose Change.
-London Guardian-They forgot a few...

"There is no conclusive evidence in Loose Change of U.S. government involvement in 9/11. The film relies too heavily on already published reports, some of which have been discredited."
- Vanity Fair

"there's a big problem with Loose Change and with most other conspiracy theories. The more you think about them, the more you realize how much they depend on circumstantial evidence, facts without analysis or documentation, quotes taken out of context and the scattered testimony of traumatized eyewitnesses."
- TIME MAGAZINE

"There are several flaws in the argument. The list of those who would have to have been party to the plot is implausibly long for it to have remained secret, from Bush himself to Rumsfeld and Cheney and the FBI and Pentagon ... and on and on. Much of the supporting evidence in the film was taken in the first minutes and hours after the attacks, when confusion reigned. And George Bush may be a disastrous and dishonest president, but would he be capable of such a monstrous act?"
- London Guardian

8den
9th November 2007, 01:53 PM
technically its the manchester guardian

dudalb
9th November 2007, 01:55 PM
That is lame.lame.lame.
It's not even clever quote mining.

Malamule
9th November 2007, 02:02 PM
"It's like a bad case of Dysentery and the results are the same!" -Sane folks worldwide

JMarshall
9th November 2007, 02:22 PM
"there's a big problem with Loose Change and with most other conspiracy theories. The more you think about them, the more you realize how much they depend on circumstantial evidence, facts without analysis or documentation, quotes taken out of context and the scattered testimony of traumatized eyewitnesses."
- TIME MAGAZINE


Imagine that!

lapman
9th November 2007, 02:25 PM
What's funny is that the Time Magazine quote (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304-1,00.html)was written on 9/3/2006 about the original Loose Change.

apathoid
9th November 2007, 02:29 PM
Heres one:

"Watching this video is like being bukakked with stupid. " - Maddox


http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

nicepants
9th November 2007, 02:29 PM
What's funny is that the Time Magazine quote (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304-1,00.html)was written on 9/3/2006 about the original Loose Change.

Actually, ALL of them are about the original.

I wonder if Jurassic Park II used critic reviews of Jurassic Park I in their promotional material.

LashL
9th November 2007, 02:35 PM
Actually, ALL of them are about the original.


Indeed.

The Loose Change boys continue to demonstrate the depth and breadth of their intellectual dishonesty, and continue to demonstrate their moral bankruptcy.

No surprise, that.

CHF
9th November 2007, 02:53 PM
I think quote-mining shows that a lot of twoofers are indeed LIARS. There is simply no other word for it.

Slicing up quotes by people like Wally Miller or picking out parts of a negative review constitutes a deliberate effort at deception.

Kiosk
9th November 2007, 03:05 PM
They should have taken the same approach as David Merrick, a New York impresario who reponded to a shower of bad reviews by looking around town for people with the same names as theatre critics and paying them to say nice things about the show, which he transcribed and subsequently displayed outside the theatre. All Dylan had to do was find a twoofer from Ohio called George W Bush, and get him to say "Everything in Loose Change: Final Cut is completely true."

Unsecured Coins
9th November 2007, 03:27 PM
A perfect example of quote-mining....from the order-page for LCFC (http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/lochficut.html)

"What people are saying about Loose Change...



Loose Change, a documentary ...which just might be the first Internet blockbuster.
-Vanity Fair-


Loose Change is a... blizzard of statistics, photographs, documents, eyewitness accounts and expert testimony set to a trippy hip-hop backbeat.
-TIME MAGAZINE-


Millions of people have heard its message. Like it or loathe it, you can't ignore Loose Change.
-London Guardian-They forgot a few...

"There is no conclusive evidence in Loose Change of U.S. government involvement in 9/11. The film relies too heavily on already published reports, some of which have been discredited."
- Vanity Fair

"there's a big problem with Loose Change and with most other conspiracy theories. The more you think about them, the more you realize how much they depend on circumstantial evidence, facts without analysis or documentation, quotes taken out of context and the scattered testimony of traumatized eyewitnesses."
- TIME MAGAZINE

"There are several flaws in the argument. The list of those who would have to have been party to the plot is implausibly long for it to have remained secret, from Bush himself to Rumsfeld and Cheney and the FBI and Pentagon ... and on and on. Much of the supporting evidence in the film was taken in the first minutes and hours after the attacks, when confusion reigned. And George Bush may be a disastrous and dishonest president, but would he be capable of such a monstrous act?"
- London Guardian


Pants, I'm putting this on MySpace

Miragememories
9th November 2007, 03:30 PM
Indeed.

The Loose Change boys continue to demonstrate the depth and breadth of their intellectual dishonesty, and continue to demonstrate their moral bankruptcy.

No surprise, that.

What's that called?

A bigoted rhetoric response maybe?

MM

Sparky
9th November 2007, 03:33 PM
What's that called?

A bigoted rhetoric response maybe?

MM

Pot..meet kettle.

Unsecured Coins
9th November 2007, 03:33 PM
no, that's called "the truth"

boloboffin
9th November 2007, 03:40 PM
This is about as standard Hollywood practice as you can get.

Undesired Walrus
9th November 2007, 04:14 PM
We will also be adding a trilogy pack containing Loose Change 1, 2, and Final Cut for $44.95.

hahaha

JMarshall
9th November 2007, 04:31 PM
Oooh goody! That means I can watch a whole bunch of lies, instead of just a couple of hours worth...

JamesB
9th November 2007, 04:31 PM
hahaha

Now that is funny. What they don't realize is that this is not the continuation of a storyline, like the Star Wars trilogy, but rather 3 attempts (4 really) at trying to get the same story right.

jhunter1163
9th November 2007, 04:33 PM
Watch the evolution of Loose Change, from a steaming pile of crap, to a... nother steaming pile of crap, to... yet a third steaming pile of crap.

Miragememories
9th November 2007, 04:42 PM
Watch the evolution of Loose Change, from a steaming pile of crap, to a... nother steaming pile of crap, to... yet a third steaming pile of crap.

And a forth and a fifth etc. etc etc.

Don't quit your day job if that's your idea of incisive thinking.

One thing is for sure, one can always find thoughtless piles of crap in the responses here.

MM

Arkan_Wolfshade
9th November 2007, 04:43 PM
Watch the evolution of Loose Change, from a steaming pile of crap, to a... nother steaming pile of crap, to... yet a third steaming pile of crap.
Someone should explain to them that in order to get a polished turd, they need to try to polish it.

Gravy
9th November 2007, 04:52 PM
Actually, ALL of them are about the original.I think they're about the second edition, which is substantially different from the original.

Mobyseven
9th November 2007, 04:57 PM
I can't be bothered visiting the site for fear of being slammed with stupid...did they really say that UW?

Brainache
9th November 2007, 05:47 PM
I seem to recall Rolling Stone had a few choice things to say about Loose Change.

Something like: "How retarded do you have to be to believe this rubbish?"

CHF
9th November 2007, 06:11 PM
I seem to recall Rolling Stone had a few choice things to say about Loose Change.

Something like: "How retarded do you have to be to believe this rubbish?"

Yeah, not even the LC boys could quote-mine that review!

John Blonn
9th November 2007, 06:15 PM
Gotta love how miragememories comes into the thread, doesn't respond to the absolutely damning OP, but instead chooses to randomly pick out one person's post and respond (lamely) to it.

Good job, you duhbunked teh thread!!!11

T.A.M.
9th November 2007, 07:45 PM
It is his standard MO.

TAM:)

LashL
9th November 2007, 11:27 PM
What's that called?

A bigoted rhetoric response maybe?

MM

No, mirage, it's called a legitimate conclusion based upon a thorough review of the evidence provided to date. Some might call it "reality". You really should acquaint yourself with such concepts as "conclusions based upon a thorough review of evidence", and "reality" at some point in the future.

I realize that it might be a struggle for you, but perhaps you could give it a try after you get around to admitting that a 6 storey building is not 22 storeys tall as you claimed, and after you get around to admitting that you could not possibly have been in the 22nd storey stairwell of the 18 storey building in which you work, and after you get around to admitting that you could not possibly have photographed - in 1972 - a building that wasn't built until 1987 (but that you insist was built in 1972, contrary to all evidence and, well, reality).

qarnos
9th November 2007, 11:47 PM
My eyes! The googles do nothing!

Loose Change Final Cut is the third installment (sic) of the documentary that asks the tough questions about events of September 11th, 2001.

Well, fourth - but who's counting? Also, why "instalment"? Why not "version"?

Anyway, why settle for one DVD when you can buy 2, 3, 4, 5 and 10-packs!

The 2, 3, 4 & 5 packs sell for the same per-unit price as the single, making you wonder why you'd bother even if you were a truther. The 10 pack gets you a $4.50 saving. Yes, a whole 45 cents per disk. And that's in US dollars, not real money. :D

How about an Endgame-LCFC combo? Yep, they got that covered.

While supplies of these mind-blowing DVDs last, you can get the two most incredible TRUTH DVDs in one combo pack and save $5 INSTANTLY!

Learn the truth about what really happened on 9/11 and learn how the terrible events of that day are linked to a Globalist plan to eliminate 80% of the world's population and to enslave the rest.

Remembers, kids! You're not real truthers unless you buy these DVDs.

Alferd_Packer
10th November 2007, 07:16 AM
Someone should explain to them that in order to get a polished turd, they need to try to polish it.

No matter how shiny you get it, a polished turd still stinks.

peteweaver
10th November 2007, 08:19 AM
The Guardian has never been called "The London Guardian", its a national newspaper with its origins in Manchester.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian


Why can't 'truth'ers even get their facts right about newspaper names ?

Par
10th November 2007, 09:04 AM
I recommend that people ignore Miragememories. Seemingly, he’s merely an attention-seeking troll.

defaultdotxbe
10th November 2007, 09:14 AM
My eyes! The googles do nothing!



Well, fourth - but who's counting? Also, why "instalment"? Why not "version"?

Anyway, why settle for one DVD when you can buy 2, 3, 4, 5 and 10-packs!

The 2, 3, 4 & 5 packs sell for the same per-unit price as the single, making you wonder why you'd bother even if you were a truther. The 10 pack gets you a $4.50 saving. Yes, a whole 45 cents per disk. And that's in US dollars, not real money. :D

How about an Endgame-LCFC combo? Yep, they got that covered.



Remembers, kids! You're not real truthers unless you buy these DVDs.
its like spaceballs, but not funny

and i feel ashamed for even comparing dylan avery to mel brooks, lol

nicepants
12th November 2007, 08:01 AM
And a forth and a fifth etc. etc etc.

Don't quit your day job if that's your idea of incisive thinking.

One thing is for sure, one can always find thoughtless piles of crap in the responses here.

MM

Actually, I think the actual opinions of time magazine, et al are quite accurate. I wonder why Dylan left out those parts?

nicepants
12th November 2007, 08:02 AM
Yeah, not even the LC boys could quote-mine that review!

"How retarded do you have to be to believe this rubbish?"

"you have....to..believe this"